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With the burgeoning values it seemed time to give them their own page. It was always a bit idiosyncratic to have them under "Brand," anyway.
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In general LGTM. My only concern is gratipay/gratipay.com#4299, which may not have effect in short term, but under coop principles does become a pre-condition to participate in internal decision making.
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- self-responsibility, | ||
- democracy, | ||
- equality, | ||
- equity, and |
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nit: remove the ",", "and" to keep the format of lists consistent (with ladder of love part)
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Good with 57a1a54?
Fair point. Should we block this on that? |
Practically, I guess it depends on how/if we decide to change internal/external procedures after this, which has been my main question. Nevertheless, IMO collaborator's identities in the community is important, and there are related questions in procedures like how we decide new member. They may be better to be addressed before we settle the new values into stone. BTW I'm still not clear about the definition of 'membership' in co-op. |
The definition for us would be "members of the Gratipay project on Gratipay," which a) does seem to suggest that gratipay/gratipay.com#4299 should be a blocker, and b) begs the question, whom do we add as a member of the Gratipay project on Gratipay? ;-) The answer, of course, is anyone who wants to be added and behaves well. The first cooperative principle is voluntary and open membership! |
The definition of membership above is clear enough for now, but seems other co-op have different approaches for member enrolling, like "pay £1 to become member". So does that mean in co-op's definition, a much larger group should be considered to be member? Like those who give to gratipay? |
I don't think that the members of a cooperative that requires them to pay in order to be enrolled can be compared to the people donating on Gratipay. The first are more like stakeholders, investors (especially given the benefits of being a member of the co-op you used as the example), whereas the second are more like the buyers of a product or service. Making a quick analogy - on which I can expand upon if you want me to - from my experience as vice-president of a small non-profit association here in Italy (not a co-op but I think the example will be fitting): we require our members, in order for them to be enrolled for one year, to pay 15€. We use that money as the primary way to fund our projects and members can either not participate or participate (read: work) in those projects. These people are like the members of the Gratipay team (though rather than paying plus working or not working, Gratipay members are only required to work). In my association we also accept donations, from both members and non-members, in order to help fund our projects: these people are like the donors (whether also members or not) giving to Gratipay. The point I am trying to make is that the two categories, members and donors, are separate. About the main topic of the conversation, I give my consensus to identify Gratipay as an open worker cooperative: it seems just a formalization of the de facto state of affairs and, being officially labelled as an open worker cooperative, it could help explain newcomers what Gratipay is. |
This looks good to me. Regarding gratipay/gratipay.com#4299, my specific question was answered there. |
Yeah, cooperatives fall into several broad categories depending on who the members are. I'm proposing a worker cooperative for Gratipay because, as @andreottidavide suggests, it seems the most natural fit with our "de facto state of affairs." Furthermore, since we make it so easy for anyone to become a worker, it didn't seem necessary to overcomplicate the situation with a multi-stakeholder cooperative. |
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We subscribe to the values of both cooperatives and open organizations, and | ||
extend these with our own unique value system called the Ladder of Love. | ||
Together, these three sets of values articulate our collective self-identity, | ||
and act as a guide when as an open worker cooperative we hash out |
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Actually I missed this line when I first reviewed. I imagine there will be people like me missing this line and only captured "Open", "cooperative" "open-source", as they are in first sentence and will be highlighted.
Do we need to more obviously state that we are "worker" cooperative?
Great @whit537 I am going to follow all this process because we are also thinking of creating a cooperative for my other project https://github.com/coopdevs ;) |
@EdOverflow I would welcome your input here as well, as you've been invited to join the roster. |
@kaguillera @dmk246 and I had a conversation about this here at HQ a couple days ago. I'll let them chime in with their own thoughts, but here's what I took away from it. What do I hope to get out of Gratipay?Right now I'm the sole owner of Gratipay, LLC. I've put a lot of effort and a little bit of money into the LLC, and identifying as a cooperative commits us to a path towards me owning less of it. What are my hopes and dreams and expectations around being fairly compensated as a founder? Well, it turns out that "[t]his is the central problem for worker cooperative startups." (via). Without having actually digested the above links yet, I would say that I hope to withdraw whatever equity I've actually put into Gratipay (cf. #306), but that depends on catching up on our books, which is a large and ongoing project. Then I would hope to take money for a long time after I stop working directly on Gratipay. Basically, I'm expecting return on investment to be twyw, just like the rest of our compensation. When after 10 years of taking without working everyone has forgotten who I am, whoever is in charge at that point can take me aside and say, "Chad, I think it's time to phase out" (or, you know, use whatever twyw mechanisms we adopt at scale). That said, we are all co-founders, because we're pre-sustainability. Once again, the nice thing about twyw is that it's emergent instead of predetermined. As people start making enough to live on from Gratipay, we'll gradually phase over into "sustainability." It's as if we each have twyw equity vs. the boss-determined equity of early hires in old-model startups. What are the legal implications?To realize our identity as a worker-owned cooperative, we're going to need some other worker-owners besides myself. However, we don't want to be so legally rigid that we lose the sense of hospitality that makes Gratipay a special community in the first place. As Miriam Cherry suggests, we need to "work around" the lack of "tailor-made enabling statutes" by modifying "already-existing legal structures" to suit our needs. I've shared some thoughts on legal structure at #72 (comment). However, in order to keep this PR manageable, I still think we should punt on legal and operational specifics and focus here on adopting the cooperative principles. How does this help us competitively?From the in-progress Gratipay Guide to to Launching an Open Organization:
We have to compete on product and marketing just like anyone else. All things being equal, however, I would expect our cooperative identity to give us a slight advantage in the open source world, because of the better philosophical alignment with open source. It could be that being an open cooperative makes us more competitive because we can recruit talent better. |
After letting this marinate for a while, I'm ready to proceed. I haven't heard anyone object to this course, and the reality is that even after accepting this PR, I will still be the sole member of the cooperative. This simply expresses Gratipay's intention to be governed by these principles. I see the next step as bringing on a second owner (#196), and then broadening the process once we've done it once.
I think it'd actually be better to dial back to just a generic "cooperative," because I think it's too early to commit ourselves to a certain stakeholder class. We may end up multi-stakeholder after all. Last call for objections! |
Congratulations, @gratipay! We are now identified with the cooperative movement through the internationally recognized cooperative values and principles! Our next step is to bring on a second member (#196) with a cooperative member agreement (#72). Based on that we can bring additional members on board. Huzzah! 🎉 💃 🌻 😄 |
This is my proposal to
closemove towards #72, by adopting the internationally recognized cooperative values and principles, which date back to 1844. Additionally, this PR solidifies our identity as an open cooperative by adopting the values articulated in the recently published Open Organization Definition.(With these burgeoning values it seemed time to give them their own page on the site; it was always a bit idiosyncratic to have them under "Brand," anyway).
My proposal is that we identify as a worker cooperative, and that adoption of this proposal be by consensus of the nine current members of the Gratipay project on Gratipay—@whit537 @clone1018 @aandis @chrisdev @sseerrggii @andreottidavide @JessaWitzel @rohitpaulk @mattbk—plus @dmk246 @nobodxbodon and @kaguillera, who would be listed there if gratipay/gratipay.com#4299 were implemented.
Worker cooperatives can have various structures ranging from informal to formal, and I'm not proposing any change to the structure of our organization at this point, either legal or extra-legal. All I'm proposing is that we identify as an open worker cooperative by adopting the values of a cooperative and an open organization. This identity and these values and principles will guide us as we evolve our organizational structure.
What say you, O potential cofounders of Gratipay-the-open-worker-cooperative!?
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