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make Gittip friendlier for theatre and arts communities #713

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chadwhitacre opened this issue Mar 8, 2013 · 12 comments
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make Gittip friendlier for theatre and arts communities #713

chadwhitacre opened this issue Mar 8, 2013 · 12 comments

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@chadwhitacre
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Was: don't show gift buttons for users who "aren't here to receive tips"

From fcktheatre in private email:

If user chooses "I'm not here to receive tips...", don't show weekly gift amount buttons for that user?

@chadwhitacre
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I'd probably disable the buttons rather than not showing them at all.

chadwhitacre added a commit that referenced this issue Mar 8, 2013
Per feedback from fcktheatre in private email, this changes the message
displayed when funding goal is NULL from "I'm not here to receive tips;
I'll generally regift them" to "I'm here as a patron." I think this will
sit well with @jacobian and others from the open source community? Can
we make this work for both communities?
chadwhitacre added a commit that referenced this issue Mar 8, 2013
Actually, it's when goal is 0, not NULL, that someone is considered a
patron. Sorry.
@chadwhitacre
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Here's the additional context from fcktheatre that caused me to retitle this ticket:

I was considering running a separate install for the theatre gig, yes.
The main reason being that I would like to customize the way a couple
things work. Mostly, I'd like for users who are not there to receive
gifts (patrons), to not have the gift amount buttons on their profile
page and maybe hide the bank account option for those users also.

I really dig what I think is your philosophy with this software, which
is kind of a pay it forward thing? Where gifters and receivers are
basically the same thing? Kind of like giftflow with money. Have you
seen giftflow? Very cool project.

https://github.com/giftflow
http://giftflow.org/

Traditionally in theatre or the arts in general (in my experience),
patrons and artists are distinctly separate. For one, artists are
generally broke, patrons are generally not. :-)

A couple other reasons are:

I'd like to change some of the language to more closely represent a
theatre setting, for instance, I'd like the "I'm not here to receive
gifts.." to read "I'm here as a patron". I'd like to change "Funding
goal" to something else... Etc.

I'd like to have a modicum of control over the administration also.

A paginated page to show all receivers and a page to show all givers
would be rockin too I think. You've probably already got that
happening :-)

Google plus would be cool too, I see you have it as an issue. Are
there any plans to add registration/authentication handled by the app
itself?

@chadwhitacre
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The point in question here is whether Gittip can be flexible enough for both open source and theatre communities, or whether fcktheatre needs to fork and run his own installation for theatre. I intend to make a valiant effort to make www.gittip.com work for fcktheatre. :)

@ironfroggy
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I absolutely think gittip can and should work for lots of communities. I've been talking to my wife, a feminist and fat-rights blogger, to introduce gittip in her communities. Trying to win her over to the idea.

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abnor commented Mar 8, 2013

I like the idea of 'patrons' and 'artists', though I am content with 'givers' and 'receivers'.

@chadwhitacre
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@ironfroggy You saw #634, ya?

@ChimeraCoder
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I think the term "patron" may make sense for the artist community, but it carries a lot of connotations that I'm not sure we'd want to apply to the developer community (and in fact, which not all artists may even like).

@chadwhitacre
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Funding Goals (N=8665)

No.     %    Kind                               goal
-------------------------------------------------------
8196  94.6  "I'm grateful for gifts, but ..."   is null
 292   3.4  "My goal is to receive ____."       > 0
 174   2.0  "I am here as a patron."            = 0
   3   0.0   !!!                                < 0

@chadwhitacre
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@ChimeraCoder With this change I opted 174 accounts (2%) into being labelled as "patrons." A bit of a risk, and we'll accept the blowback if/when it comes.

Going forward, if someone wants to opt themselves out of receiving gifts, I'm not sure "patron" is a bad label for that, even for open source communities. Most of us are sticking with the default, but imagine a future in which Google is putting $10,000 per month into open source via Gittip: "patron" sounds about right to me.

@chadwhitacre
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@jacobian commenting on d9783f1:

I like the "patron" language quite a bit; it perfectly matches with my usage of the site, at least.

Straight from the 🐴's 💋.

@chadwhitacre
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Another 🐴:

I like it. Better than the "not here to receive tips" option.

@therabidbanana https://twitter.com/therabidbanana/status/310110489134899200

@chadwhitacre
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Circling around here: with #893 there is now an option for "I'm here as a patron, and politely decline to receive gifts."

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