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It's not a myth. Only one vaccine contains it and you can get it without it. So your OP is pointless flex. ,2019-03-25 02:34:53 +Fuck you anti-vaxxing retards,10,g6jkhp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/g6jkhp/fuck_you_antivaxxing_retards/,8,1587662622.0,https://youtu.be/zBkVCpbNnkU,2020-04-23 20:23:42 +Comment,0,fofa0yy,,0,1587759590.0,Because Anti-Vaxxers have no sense,2020-04-24 23:19:50 +Comment,0,ej9xuaf,,0,1553474721.0,"What do you mean by ""your OP"". I am fairly new to reddit.",2019-03-25 02:45:21 +Comment,1,ej9x2qr,,0,1553474147.0,"When they say there's no thimerasol, they mean in the childhood schedule. That IS a fact. ",2019-03-25 02:35:47 +Comment,2,ejacj98,,0,1553485820.0,"The ""myth"" you're debunking is in regards to the childhood schedule. ZERO OF THOSE VACCINES CONTAIN IT. You're being a pedantic fuck for no reason. ",2019-03-25 05:50:20 +Comment,2,ejabpdx,,0,1553485203.0,"You'll have to read it again because I didn't say that, the CDC did. You say one flu vaccine but the CDC says multiple. Check the CDC link. To paraphrase, ""It's out of most single dose and in most multi-dose."" That's more than one. I can't keep responding to people who won't even read what they're disagreeing with...",2019-03-25 05:40:03 +Comment,3,ejaculv,,0,1553486050.0,"Nope. I didn't say anything about childhood vaccines in my OP. The myth, as I stated plainly, is ""Vaccines do not contain mercury."" They do contain mercury. Not all, but some, so the statement is incorrect.",2019-03-25 05:54:10 +Comment,1,ejackaa,,0,1553485841.0,"I didn't say thimerosal is mercury. I said thimerosal contains mercury. You're not disagreeing with me. Again, I can't respond if you're not tracking the conversation. We won't get anywhere if you're not even willing to put your own shoes on...",2019-03-25 05:50:41 +Comment,1,ejn2f7c,,0,1553870162.0,Doctors recommend vaccines for whatever you're most at risk for considering the area you live in. ,2019-03-29 16:36:02 +Comment,1,ejn1jon,,0,1553868938.0,"I'm saying that even if you live away from people, you can still get diseases from plants / funghi. Things like Malaria, Dengue and JEV can be gotten from animals. + +And if you're on Reddit, you got some piece of technology. This is pretty silly. :P",2019-03-29 16:15:38 +Comment,1,ejmzlio,,0,1553866351.0,"Kind of hard to avoid exposure unless you abandon being in contact with people completely - and even then, not all diseases that you can vaccinate against come from humans. + +It's not possible to (safely) avoid exposure.",2019-03-29 15:32:31 +Comment,1,ejdklga,,0,1553584261.0,Herd immunity to me is a delegation of one's responsibility of his wellbeing to others. That's basically what it is; regardless if a drug works or not. And that's insanity at its finest point having someone to blame others for his immune being grounded. It's unbelievable.,2019-03-26 09:11:01 +Comment,1,ejc4ys1,,0,1553549348.0,"I didn't admit there are. Two vaccines contain thimerasol. That is a compound and not an element. If you'd like, I'll start a GoFundMe to put you into a basic chemistry class so you understand the fucking difference. Jesus Christ, it's literally been like arguing with an anti-vaxxer. You cannot retain anything taught to you, no matter how many people explain it to you.",2019-03-25 23:29:08 +Comment,1,ejc4rd0,,0,1553549174.0,"You finally admit there is mercury in vaccines. You arguing with yourself kid. I never said it's worrisome. I just said it's in there and that's a problem when doctors and TED talks are saying it's not. You seem to only be able to disagree with things I didn't say. 100% of my argument is that mercury is in vaccines, which you seem to suddenly agree with after spending an entire day saying the opposite. I'm gonna let go of your hand now. ✌️",2019-03-25 23:26:14 +Comment,2,ejc48az,,0,1553548719.0,"Because it is an ethylmercury you monumental dumbass. Also, just because there is mercury in the compound doesn't mean it's unsafe. That's like saying table salt is dangerous because it contains sodium and chloride. We obviously don't worry about the elements that make up what goes on or in most of our foods, why are you making a fuss about thimerasol? Oh yeah, because you're an idiot. + +Also, your analogy is shit. You could go get 40 vaccines at once and still receive less ""mercury"" than you would eating fish, and fish contains methylmercury, which is actually harmful. + +Even if we humored your ridiculous idea that the mercury in thimerasol is actually worrisome, which it isn't because thimerasol still isn't mercury, you should worry more about literally everything else because of the minuscule amounts of it. The dose makes the poison and your liver and easily handle less than a mcg of ethylmercury.",2019-03-25 23:18:39 +Comment,0,ejc2imz,,0,1553547167.0,"Good thing I didn't say thimerosal is mercury, but there is mercury, in the form of ethylmercury, in thimerosal. Jumping off a 5-story building is ""relatively safe"" compared to Jumping off a 10-story building. Why are you saying ""ethyl""? Would it make you look stupid to say ethylmercury? Yeah probably.",2019-03-25 22:52:47 +Comment,1,ejb7724,,0,1553508491.0,"You can be anything on the internet and you choose to be an idiot. There is no mercury in vaccines. Never has been. Now, let's humor the idea and hey into your world where for some reason, it matters that thimerosal is 50% ethyl organomercury by weight. + +There isn't even a microgram of thimerosal in the multi-dose flu shot, which is referred to as a ""trace amount."" Now, only half of that not even a mcg is actually ethyl organomercury. + +Your body, a result of billions of years of evolution, has an organ system whose sole purpose is to filter stuff out. Guess what? That incredibly tiny amount of ethyl organomercury is processed by this system extremely easily and is removed from the body. + +So, Dr. Dumbass, do you want to keep going on about the total NON-FUCKING-ISSUE of thimerosal and how it ISN'T FUCKING MERCURY, or do you want to continue to be a total idiot? + +Jesus fucking Christ, dude, you might as well be against vaccines because you sure as shit aren't for the truth. + +Also, go get a flu shot and come back and tell me if there's a question on the form you filled out about being allergic to thimerosal. They don't exactly hide it. 1. It's an ingredient in a shot which has a thimerasol free version and 2. Unless your body personally has a problem with it, it's not harmful. + +Fuck. ",2019-03-25 12:08:11 +Comment,1,ejasy5x,,0,1553497556.0,"Just ethylmercury, which is a form of this thing called mercury...",2019-03-25 09:05:56 +Comment,2,ejarnxh,,0,1553496600.0,You just went full retard.,2019-03-25 08:50:00 +Comment,1,ejaqwhg,,0,1553496049.0,"Not in my mind, but in the FDA's mind, ""Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound."" +https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228 + +But you are correct, chloride isn't one of the fucking ingredients of french fries, unless they're salted, in which case it is, because there is chloride in sodium-chloride. That's why it's called sodium-chloride. Bye now.",2019-03-25 08:40:49 +Comment,2,ejao1av,,0,1553493953.0,"Think about this. When you eat french fries, chloride isn't one of the fucking ingredients. So why do vaccines that have thimerasol, in your mind, contain mercury?",2019-03-25 08:05:53 +Comment,2,ejanygr,,0,1553493898.0,What's in table salt?,2019-03-25 08:04:58 +Comment,3,ejai8qo,,0,1553489861.0,"I agree with the statement because it's true. That doesn't mean there is mercury in vaccines. Just stop. You lost as soon as you posted, and then decided to double, triple, and quadruple down on your idiocy.",2019-03-25 06:57:41 +Comment,0,ejah7aa,,0,1553489130.0,"What is thimerosal? I know it's a compound, but what's in it? What's it made of?",2019-03-25 06:45:30 +Comment,1,ejaglyf,,0,1553488704.0,"So you agree with the statement, ""Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound.""?",2019-03-25 06:38:24 +Comment,2,ejagid2,,0,1553488633.0,They're not lying! Your inability to grasp a simple concept makes me wonder how you breathe on your own. ,2019-03-25 06:37:13 +Comment,0,ejagfa0,,0,1553488573.0,"I never once said I was concerned about thimerosal. But allot of people feel like they should be, in no small part because doctors and medical professionals are lying about it, to millions of people. If you want to encourage vaccine participation, that's bad isn't it?",2019-03-25 06:36:13 +Comment,3,ejagcz8,,0,1553488527.0,"That's not how chemistry works, Dr. Dumbass. If this were the case, table salt would literally kill you upon ingesting. ",2019-03-25 06:35:27 +Comment,2,ejag8w0,,0,1553488447.0,"Sodium explodes in water and chloride is a poisonous gas. So, tell me, why are you concerned about thimerasol?",2019-03-25 06:34:07 +Comment,1,ejag1r5,,0,1553488306.0,"I have not disputed this. Elements (mercury) are in compounds (thimerosal). Thimerosal, a compound, contains mercury, an element.",2019-03-25 06:31:46 +Comment,0,ejaftc8,,0,1553488143.0,Sodium and chloride.,2019-03-25 06:29:03 +Comment,3,ejafaqc,,0,1553487787.0,True or false: Compounds are not elements.,2019-03-25 06:23:07 +Comment,2,ejaf2ms,,0,1553487634.0,Please tell me what table salt is made of. ,2019-03-25 06:20:34 +Comment,2,ejae7fj,,0,1553487019.0,"True or false- ""Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound."" +???",2019-03-25 06:10:19 +Comment,1,ejadvtu,,0,1553486786.0,"I sure am, which is how I know there is mercury in vaccines when doctors have told me and millions of others the opposite... I didn't post this intending to be educated. If you claim to have knowledge I don't, it only makes sense for me to ask what it is, and for you to explain it, especially if it's elementary. Why not just educate me? Wouldn't that be easier?",2019-03-25 06:06:26 +Comment,2,ejadlyg,,0,1553486588.0,I've been studying and debating vaccine safety for years. You're just flat out wrong. ,2019-03-25 06:03:08 +Comment,3,ejadjse,,0,1553486545.0,They don't contain mercury. Compounds are not elements. You're still wrong. Go take a chemistry class before you look like a dumbass again. ,2019-03-25 06:02:25 +Comment,1,ejn5xrv,,0,1553875497.0,"Yes, that can be a few vaccinations. I've been vaccinated a number of times, personally. I travel a lot, so I get vaccinated more then most.",2019-03-29 18:04:57 +Comment,1,ejpjkm0,,0,1553943184.0,Why are you deleting all your comments?,2019-03-30 12:53:04 +Comment,1,ejy4sim,,0,1554242883.0,Lol,2019-04-03 01:08:03 +Comment,1,ejpwlwu,,0,1553957825.0,Sorry to hear about that. ,2019-03-30 16:57:05 +Comment,2,ejzgker,,0,1554275692.0,"You make a good point about natural infection antibodies being passed from mother to child. So if the child did contract measles, the body would recognize it & a lesser reaction would occur. + +Now that we're in the 3rd generation of lower quality vaccine immunity, children/adults contracting measles would have a more serious reaction. ",2019-04-03 10:14:52 +Comment,1,ejz8glc,,0,1554269533.0,"See my comment above, this probably is a error on the part of the cdc, but isn't a reason not to vaccinate + +Also, your link doesn't talk about the effects of measles, it just says MMR doesn't cause autism",2019-04-03 08:32:13 +Comment,1,ejz85ic,,0,1554269313.0,"Good job catching this error, but note that the case-fatality rate may have gone up in recent decades due to the fact that most people are vaccinated, so a higher percentage of those who get measles may be immune-compromised, too young to be vaccinated (natural infection leads to immunity that are passed on to the child, but vaccination doesn't as much), or adults (who get worse measles) + +Even so, way less people die of measles now than before the vaccine, because of the massive ( >20,000 fold) decrease in the number of people infected.",2019-04-03 08:28:33 +Comment,4,ejyuv4g,,0,1554260683.0,"> neurobiologists ... lawyers + +Oh, good, that's relevant. + +",2019-04-03 06:04:43 +Comment,8,ejytxj4,,0,1554260092.0,">The 1 in 1000 fatality rate from measles is a known calculation error by the CDC. + +Nah. + +>It's actually closer to 1 in 10,000 or 0.01% of cases. + +It's actually closer to 0% in areas where it's been eliminated, due to vaccination. + +There's also a whole host of terrible sequalae associated with the virus. And the known fact that anyone framing a situation as ""the only thing you should care about is the rate at which you will literally die"" is a complete asshat. + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/",2019-04-03 05:54:52 +Comment,1,ejyekic,,0,1554249972.0,Try [again](https://vaxopedia.org/2018/01/15/measles-propaganda-from-the-physicians-for-informed-consent/).,2019-04-03 03:06:12 +Comment,1,ejyd6qo,,0,1554248995.0,"Similar things can also be said about small groups of scientists who don't believe in evolution, or deny climate change. They're all still quacks.",2019-04-03 02:49:55 +Comment,3,ejyawnq,,0,1554247392.0,"Who can't tell the difference between aluminium and aluminium hydroxide. Get outta here with those dumb ""references"". Wouldn't trust them to even properly take my pulse. ",2019-04-03 02:23:12 +Comment,-6,ejy5w08,,0,1554243731.0,"Physicians for Informed Consent is a group of board certified medical doctors, neurobiologists, immunologists, nurses & lawyers. Members have also testified in front of Congress regarding vaccine safety. I don't see how that's a conspiracy ",2019-04-03 01:22:11 +Comment,1,ejzjlqf,,0,1554278117.0,">Now that we're in the 3rd generation of lower quality vaccine immunity, children/adults contracting measles would have a more serious reaction. + +Note that although now measles may be more serious for the who do get it, the chance of getting it at all now is lower than the chance of *dying* from measles before the vaccine, so this is not an argument against vaccination + +​",2019-04-03 10:55:17 +Comment,-1,ejzsq7u,,0,1554285345.0,"And you're still wrong--it's not an error. The estimate is actually 1-2 per 1000 which derived from surveillance data collected throughout the 1985-1992 measles resurgence. +Read [that](https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.me.43.020192.002315) and then get back to me. Also, to state the obvious, you're conflating *estimated* cases with *reported* deaths, aka apples to oranges. As an aside, it is fun to note your wording stance change from ""Known calculation error"" to ""probably an error"". + +Finally, my link does not ""just"" say MMR doesn't cause autism. It's a chestnut for standard anti-vaxxer nonsense. For measles sequelae you can read any of the dozen CDC articles for laypeople or you can check [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22889539/) for just CNS sequelae, if you're feeling frisky. + +You should probably stick to reputable sources, such as the CDC. ",2019-04-03 12:55:45 +Comment,1,ejzuye6,,0,1554287124.0,"I meant it was an error to say the death rate was 1 in 1,000 before the vaccine, note that in my other comment[https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b8jhk7/myth\_1\_in\_1000\_measles\_cases\_are\_fatal/ejz85ic?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b8jhk7/myth_1_in_1000_measles_cases_are_fatal/ejz85ic?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x) I said the case-fatality rate may be going up as the number of cased dropped due to vaccination, so I am not challenging the estimate that it was 1 in 1,000 in 1985-1992 (more recent data actually shows 1 in 250) + +>Finally, my link does not ""just"" say MMR doesn't cause autism. + +What does it say then? I didn't see anything about neurological sequelae in that article, but I do know they exist. + +>It's a chestnut for standard anti-vaxxer nonsense. + +Did you miss ""but isn't a reason not to vaccinate""? Also note that in the comment I linked I also say the vaccine has reduced deaths + +>As an aside, it is fun to note your wording stance change from ""Known calculation error"" to ""probably an error"". + +I wasn't the one who said ""Known calculation error"", but even if I was, arguing semantic details is pointless + +>You should probably stick to reputable sources, such as the CDC + +I am not OP, all my info is coming from the CDC",2019-04-03 13:25:24 +Comment,1,ek0lcq0,,0,1554321260.0,"> I meant it was an error to say the death rate was 1 in 1,000 before the vaccine + +I understand you're saying that. I don't believe it. + +>I said the case-fatality rate may be going up as the number of cased dropped due to vaccination + +Which would be an interesting hypothesis considering the apparent mortality rate hasn't changed from pre-1963 to recent outbreaks. I don't see much support for it from where I'm standing. + +>(more recent data actually shows 1 in 250) + +That could be something. + +>What does it say then? + +If you're curious, read it. + +>Did you miss ""but isn't a reason not to vaccinate""? Also note that in the comment I linked I also say the vaccine has reduced deaths + +No. It's still a good resource. + +>I wasn't the one who said ""Known calculation error"", but even if I was, arguing semantic details is pointless + +It's not arguing semantics. And in any case, you'd be saying it's ""probably an error"" which is unsubstantiated. + +>I am not OP, all my info is coming from the CDC + +Ah, I see that now. + + + +",2019-04-03 22:54:20 +Comment,3,ek0a3jp,,0,1554303456.0,"Measles has never been eliminated. There have been cases every year since the introduction of the vaccine. Numbers vary by year. In 1982, there were 1,697 reported cases of measles in the US and public health officials stated that elimination was around the corner. Then a resurgence occurred between 1989-1991 with over 53,000 cases. As a result of this increase, children were required to get a second dose of the vaccine. + +In the year 2000, when the US declared it ""eradicated,"" there were still 86 cases of measles. + +Then take into account vaccine strain virus shedding after MMR. Reports of throat, blood, and urine samples all testing positive for vaccine strain measles infection up to 5 weeks from vaccination. + +[Vaccine associated measles 5 weeks post vaccine](https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES2013.18.49.20649) + +[Measles in Throat of Vaccinated Child](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X01004959) + +[Excretion of Vaccine Strain Measles virus](https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/ese.15.35.19652-en) + +During the 2015 California measles outbreak, many suspected cases actually occurred in persons who were recently vaccinated. 194 measles virus sequences were collected in 2015, with 73 cases found to have actually been vaccine strain measles. + +2011 New York, report of 88 person measles outbreak started by a twice-vaccinated individual. + +[Measles Mary](https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/58/9/1205/2895266) + +Can measles truly be eliminated if the live virus continues to be injected into the population with vaccines? + +​ + +And since you sent me a study discussing MMR, thimerosal and autism. Here's a link to a hidden CDC study of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. It compares children receiving the thimerosal containing Hepatitis B vaccine during the first month of life. The results of this study were never released by the CDC and an abstract was only obtained under FOIA request. + +Children vaccinated with Hepatitis B vaccine in the first month of life compared to children receiving no vaccines in the first month of life had an increased risk of 762% for autism, 829% for ADHD, 638% for ADD, 565% for tics, 498% for sleep disorders, and 206% for speech delays. + +[CDC unpublished vax vs unvax study](https://vaccine-safety.s3.amazonaws.com/CDC_FOIA_Response_UnpublishedStudy.pdf) + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​",2019-04-03 17:57:36 +Comment,2,ek0or1b,,0,1554324545.0,"> Measles has never been eliminated. + +The Americas were declared measles free back in 2016. I'm guessing you confused 'locally eliminated' with 'globally eradicated'. + +>There have been cases every year since the introduction of the vaccine. + +You mean since the virus has existed? + +>Then take into account vaccine strain virus shedding after MMR. Reports of throat, blood, and urine samples all testing positive for vaccine strain measles infection up to 5 weeks from vaccination. + +Vaccine strain isn't the same as the pathogenic strain. This isn't scary for anyone except those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations. + +>During the 2015 California measles outbreak, many suspected cases actually occurred in persons who were recently vaccinated. + +[Wrong](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm?s_cid=mm6406a5_w): + +>>Among the 110 California patients, 49 (45%) were unvaccinated; five (5%) had 1 dose of measles-containing vaccine, seven (6%) had 2 doses, one (1%) had 3 doses, 47 (43%) had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, and one (1%) had immunoglobulin G seropositivity documented, which indicates prior vaccination or measles infection at an undetermined time. + +Which is entirely consistent with vaccination efficacy. + +>194 measles virus sequences were collected in 2015, with 73 cases found to have actually been vaccine strain measles. + +Wrong again: + +>>The source of the initial Disney theme park exposure has not been identified. Specimens from 30 California patients were genotyped; all were measles genotype B3, which has caused a large outbreak recently in the Philippines, but has also been detected in at least 14 countries and at least six U.S. states in the last 6 months (1). + +Vaccine strain is not capable of causing wild-type disease. + +>2011 New York, report of 88 person measles outbreak started by a twice-vaccinated individual. + +Wow, let's hope this isn't a common occurrence. From your source: + +>>**This is the first report** of measles transmission from a twice-vaccinated individual with documented secondary vaccine failure. + +Impressive. You've convinced me fully. We should stop vaccinating. + +>Can measles truly be eliminated if the live virus continues to be injected into the population with vaccines? + +Yep. Happened with smallpox, and from entire hemispheres with polio and measles. Did you forget that? + +>And since you sent me a study discussing MMR, thimerosal and autism. + +You didn't read it. You should read it. + +>The results of this study were never released by the CDC and an abstract was only obtained under FOIA request. + +Wait...you mean *this* unpublished study??? + +http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/112/5/1039.full.pdf + +You'd apparently believe any bold-faced lie a fellow anti-vaxxer told you. Truly hot on the case!",2019-04-03 23:49:05 +Comment,1,ek0ul3u,,0,1554329201.0," Here is an explanation of how I calculated the measles death rate (including the 1 in 250 estimate) [https://vaxfact.fandom.com/wiki/4](https://vaxfact.fandom.com/wiki/4) + +>If you're curious, read it + +Okay, it says that MMR, thimerosal, and ""too many vaccines"" don't cause autism, but no one ever said anything about autism, so I still don't know why you brought this up",2019-04-04 01:06:41 +Comment,1,ek1met5,,0,1554346685.0,">Okay, it says that MMR, thimerosal, and ""too many vaccines"" don't cause autism, but no one ever said anything about autism, so I still don't know why you brought this up + +I just explained it. I thought you were the other poster who is an antivaxxer. I provided a general resource debunking the core pillars of antivaxxer nonsense. And, to be clear, OP and the conspiracy squad have mentioned autism. So it is directly relevant to the overall discussion, just maybe not to you. + +I don't know why you find this is so bothersome. If you want to know what's in it, read it. If you like it, save it. If you don't find it useful, don't worry about it. Repeat as necessary. As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to mention it further. + +--- + +>Here is an explanation of how I calculated the measles death rate (including the 1 in 250 estimate) + +Great, let's break that down. + +>CDC lists a death rate up to 1 in 500, but mentions that before the vaccine there were thought to be 3-4 million cases and 500 deaths each year, which would be a 1 in 6,000-8,000 death rate + +There are three incongruous parts meshed together with one bad assumption: + +1) The mortality rate of measles is ""up to 1:500"" + +2) Pre-1963, there were an estimated 3-4 million cases of measles annually + +3) Pre-1963, there were 500 deaths annually + +For the third point, this is, according to the CDC source, from reported measles deaths. This is not an estimate, it is an average value of actual, reported cases. This is true for pre-1963 era. + +For the second, this is an estimate of the total measles morbidity annually prior to 1963. This is probably accurate for pre-1963 era, but comes loaded with a 25-33% error range, not including a particular confidence interval. + +For the first, the mortality rate is based on data from both before 1963 and after. This is derived from confirmed measles cases and confirmed measles deaths. Nuance is lost in the first point since you've lost the range, which is 1-2 per 1000. Additionally, this value is reported in an intuitive way (X per 1000) rather than the more scientifically meaningful way, a decimal number (2.0 per 1000; 0.63 per 1000). You can make the denominator increase or decrease 'large' amounts for relatively small movements in actual case fatality rates and with no or little meaningful statistical resolution between the two. + +And to belabor the point I've already made, you are comparing **estimated** morbidity with **known** mortality. That is apples to oranges. If you had an estimate of morbidity with an estimate of mortality, you could have at it. What's interesting, then, is that to get your 1:250 number you compare **known** cases with **known** mortality, not estimates. And this is further massaged by picking, presumably arbitrarily, 1994-2014. If we, also arbitrarily, include up to 1988 then we get a CFR of 0.0022 or roughly 1:450. If we just look at the outbreak of 1989-1991 we also get a CFR of 0.0022. If we just take the first five years of reported values starting at 1950--which has a combined 40 times case numbers than the entirety of 1988 onward--we get a CFR of 0.001 or roughly 1:970. Which rounds out a nice estimate of 0.001-0.002 or 1-2 per 1000. + +And yet in the first paragraph you have picked a *single range*--with no mind for data collection, statistical confidence, attack rate by age, or other extrapolation issues--while ignoring the repeatedly collected and congruent information which suggests this homebrewed estimate is wrong or not informative as packaged. + +But I appreciate you explaining how you calculated it. Vaxfact seems like a very dubious website, as an aside. I would like to repeat my caution that you stick to reputable sources. + + + +",2019-04-04 05:58:05 +Comment,1,ek1b9a9,,0,1554340299.0,You get more of those minerals by breathing for 1 hour than you do from 1 vaccine,2019-04-04 04:11:39 +Comment,1,ek35upu,,0,1554394062.0,"What does this mean? +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534",2019-04-04 19:07:42 +Comment,1,ek24urf,,0,1554358587.0,"Thanks for explaining the issues you saw in my calculations, this was helpful. + +>I would like to repeat my caution that you stick to reputable sources. + +What non-reputable source did I use?",2019-04-04 09:16:27 +COVID-19: Músicos que han recibido la vacuna,2,lxzqpx,https://losmejoresrock.com/covid-19-musicos-que-han-recibido-la-vacuna/,0,1614933314.0,,2021-03-05 10:35:14 +Comment,1,ek37pd4,,0,1554397404.0,"The information I provided is not wrong. It's from a 2017 study in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology. One of the co-authors is CDC Division of Viral Diseases official Rebecca J. McNall. + +[Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype](https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735) + +McNall wrote, ""During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees. Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences."" This proves that the measles outbreak was in part caused by the vaccine. + +​ + +>Vaccine strain isn't the same as the pathogenic strain. This isn't scary for anyone except those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations. + +McNall contradicts that by explaining that vaccine strain reaction (rash & fever) is clinically indistinguishable from the natural disease. You need genotyping to confirm the origin and distinguish vaccine strain cases from wild-type cases. + +So by you saying that vaccine strain measles is only scary for the immunocompromised, and CDC stating that the reaction of vaccine strain and wild strain is identical, it proves that the general public should NOT be worried about measles. It is a mild illness to everyone but, as you said, ""those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations."" + +​ + +Also, thank you for showing me the 2004 Thimerosal study. You've uncovered something interesting. + +The 1999 study is titled *Increased Risk of developmental neurologic impairment after high exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccine in first month of life.* It states children who received the Hep B at birth had an increase of 762% for autism, 498% for sleep disorders, and 206% for speech delays compared to children that did not receive the vaccine. + +The conclusion: This analysis suggests that high exposure to ethylmercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines in the first month of life increases the risk of subsequent development of neurologic development impairment... + +​ + +Oddly, the 2004 continuation study is the exact opposite. Titled *Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two-Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases.* + +In this ""Phase II"" study, they've re-analyzed the Phase I data and suddenly found no increased risks for autism or attention-deficit disorder. + +*Conclusions.* No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes. **Conflicting results were found at different HMOs for certain outcomes. For resolving the conflicting findings, studies with uniform neurodevelopmental assessments of children with a range of cumulative thimerosal exposures are needed.** + +​ + +I have a feeling that you regard everything the CDC reports as unquestionably true. But even you might find this a bit sketchy: + +\- In 1997, Congress mandated the FDA to complete a review of mercury in drugs and food. + +\- In 1999, CDC conducted their study, found incredibly concerning data, and instead of making it public, they decided not to publish. + +\- In 2001, the CDC removed or reduced thimerosal in all childhood vaccines because of safety concerns. + +\- In 2004, they published the continuation study that suddenly found that thimerosal was safe all along. And to resolve this obvious conflict in data between Phase I & II, they suggested that more studies of children exposed to thimerosal were needed. Conveniently, thimerosal had already been removed... + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​",2019-04-04 20:03:24 +Comment,2,ek9lcmk,,0,1554607175.0,"It’s the FDA, the US food and drug administration. They administrate the vaccines and food",2019-04-07 06:19:35 +Comment,1,ek9kyu2,,0,1554606848.0,"Let me be more clear. There's a way they know that- how do they know? Also, does everyone eat tuna every day? No, so is it in other foods or what? You made a really broad statement that you're only showing as it applies to tuna and your citation is just a website. It's the FDA ok, but what scientific data is it based on? A website is not the same as a medical journal or a published study etc.",2019-04-07 06:14:08 +Comment,2,ek9ky0c,,0,1554606829.0,"I really don’t understand what you’re asking for. I read our conversation, made sure the article I linked to was referring to my second sentence (“there’s more mercury in your daily consumption of food than in vaccines”), read the quotation (the specific part that refers to my sentence is the last one, talking about tuna cans), checked you request, but I really don’t know what you’re asking for now. What are you trying to say by “references”? I linked the article and quoted the relevant part. I don’t understand your request at all",2019-04-07 06:13:49 +Comment,1,ek9ki74,,0,1554606450.0,"Can you provide a reference? 3rd request. Last try. Please read and respond to what I say or you're just talking to yourself, which you shouldn't need my help to do.",2019-04-07 06:07:30 +Comment,2,ek9k3n8,,0,1554606113.0,"“Your daily consumption of food has more mercury than vaccines” + +Right there dude, in a tuna can theres as much mercury as in a shot ",2019-04-07 06:01:53 +Comment,1,ek9k0xy,,0,1554606056.0,So... the second one... is the one I said to provide a citation for. Gotta be able to track the conversation or we can't have one...,2019-04-07 06:00:56 +Comment,2,ek9jnic,,0,1554605766.0,"https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228 + +“Thimerosal in concentrations of 0.001% (1 part in 100,000) to 0.01% (1 part in 10,000) has been shown to be effective in clearing a broad spectrum of pathogens. A vaccine containing 0.01% thimerosal as a preservative contains 50 micrograms of thimerosal per 0.5 mL dose or approximately 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5 mL dose. For comparison, this is roughly the same amount of elemental mercury contained in a 3 ounce can of tuna fish”",2019-04-07 05:56:06 +Comment,1,ek9j5p8,,0,1554605378.0,Did I say there's lots or did I say it's in there and people are saying it's not? Provide citation for your second sentence please.,2019-04-07 05:49:38 +Comment,2,ek9b6uz,,0,1554599588.0,"You know the dosis of mercury in vaccines is ridiculously small, right? Your daily consumption of food has more mercury in it than vaccines",2019-04-07 04:13:08 +Comment,1,ek7ibqr,,0,1554529973.0,That doesn't change the toxins in the vaccines.,2019-04-06 08:52:53 +Comment,1,ek76qqk,,0,1554521873.0,"Please don’t call it “pro vaccination.” + +Call it modern, evidence based, life saving way that a human should participate in society. ",2019-04-06 06:37:53 +Comment,0,ek76jw5,,0,1554521745.0,"Why are you giving examples from other countries 40-60 years ago?? To think vaccines are made in the same way today, in America, as they were in countries that many years ago would be like saying your new dodge caravan is the same thing as an old rusty VW Van. Where vaccines are manufactured matters. The quality of the facility matters. The quality of the ingredients matters. + +American made vaccines are in high demand in China right now after receiving faulty Chinese made vaccines. + +",2019-04-06 06:35:45 +Comment,1,ek5wq4z,,0,1554481795.0,"You misinterpreted some of what I said. I'm going to explain myself again and capitalize the important words. + +​ + +>""...recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine EXPERIENCE RASH AND FEVER which may be INDISTINGUISHABLE from measles."" [Source](https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735) +> +>""We report a 1-year-old boy who, 10 days after vaccination, DEVELOPED VACCINE MEASLES which was CLINICALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from the natural disease."" [Source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15804301?dopt=Abstract) + +Clinically indistinguishable means that when OBSERVING the patient, the PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS (rash & fever) can look the same in BOTH wild strain and vaccine strain measles. + +​ + +>Vaccine strain isn't the same as the pathogenic strain. This isn't scary for anyone except those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations. + +True. They differ on a genetic level. But they share the common physical symptoms of rash & fever. You taught me that the pathogenic strain can cause further complications like SSPE. According to the CDC, severe complications are rare. Pneumonia is said to be 1 in 20. That doesn't look bad when compared to the MMR II pre-licensing studies that got released this week. The studies show 40-50% of kids got upper respiratory infections and gastro-intestinal disorders after the MMR vaccine. That's a harsh trade-off for a virus that causes rash & fever in the common person and then gives you lifelong immunity. Unless you're immunocompromised, no reason to be scared of wild measles. + +​ + +>Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences + +​ + +>Those recent vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had a relatively common reaction to the vaccination and, due to proximity (locale and time) with an actual measles outbreak, were initial false-positives. + +Your argument is that these vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had the EXACT SAME PHYSICAL REACTION as the people that DID catch the measles at the SAME TIME & LOCATION of a measles outbreak? + +Maybe entertain the possibility of primary & secondary vaccine failure. Or viral shedding from other recent vaccinees. Your faith in this vaccine is strong my friend. + +​ + +Now the 1999 pilot. You got this wrong. And I'm the one that doesn't know how to read? + +>More data can do that. Weird how sample sizes work? + +Actually they looked at less data. The 1999 unpublished pilot looked at 400,000 infants in the VSD. Phase I of the 2004 published study only looked at 124,170 infants in the VSD. + +>Yep. Bigger sample size. + +Wrong again. In phase II, the most common disorders associated with exposure in phase I were re-evaluated among only 16,717 children. + +It's so obvious that they reduced the sample size to make the links to autism, sleep disorders, learning disabilities and speech delays in the 1999 pilot statistically less significant. Then they reduced it again. Wow. This is the same strategy Dr. William Thompson said he used with his team to bury the autism link during the famous 2004 MMR study. + +​ + +Furthermore, there's a massive ethical issue with the 1999 study. If you're the CDC, and you find data that points to a 762% increase in autism after the Hep B shot, you have a duty to disclose that to the public. The CDC is the health protection agency of the nation. + +They had multiple options: + +Hold a press conference and re-assure the public that a further study would be done immediately. (This study analyzed existing data in the VSD so they could literally have done this study with a computer in a few hours). + +Remove the Hep B vaccine indefintely for non-risk newborns until further study was completed. Only administer it to at-risk newborns if their mother tested positive for Hep B during pregnancy. It is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease given on the first day of life. It would have made zero difference. + +Either option would would have built public trust and strengthened the vaccine program. + +Instead, they hid the study. Then 5 years later, they reduce the sample sizes and publish a study ""proving"" everything was safe all along. + +Fortunately for us, the FOIA request has exposed the unpublished 1999 pilot. Now, the CDC loses credibility, and confirms people's suspicions that it cares more about protecting pharma profits and the reputation of vaccines than children's health. + +Thanks again for turning me onto the 2004 study. + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​",2019-04-05 19:29:55 +Comment,0,ek49q2s,,0,1554430197.0,"The problem is the calculations themselves and the idea that layperson napkin math is uncovering some ""truth"" hidden by trusted sources, or an ""error"" in their reporting. It's the attempt at synthesis of new information with no education background that makes Vaxfact itself a site of misinformation, which is supposed to be its antithesis. ",2019-04-05 05:09:57 +Comment,1,ek3zf86,,0,1554423402.0,"I created the Vaxfact site using references to reliable sources, I understand you don't like the way I did some calculations, but all the data I based the calculations on was from the CDC",2019-04-05 03:16:42 +Comment,1,ek3rpwr,,0,1554418287.0,">The information I provided is not wrong + +You've repeatedly said nonsensical and incorrect statements as well as ludicrous conclusions from otherwise innocuous sources. Some of your links are fine. Your ability to interpret them is supremely bad. + +>This proves that the measles outbreak was in part caused by the vaccine. + +It proves you don't know how to read. The outbreak in California was caused by the Phillipines strain as already referenced. What the paper you *just* referenced is talking about is the ability to discriminate between vaccine measles strains and pathogenic measles strains. Your source goes on to say: + +>>Since approximately 5% of recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine experience rash and fever which may be indistinguishable from measles (9), it is very important to identify vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary isolation of the patient, as well as the need for contact tracing and other labor-intensive public health interventions. + +And the part you liked to leave out, because you are dishonest and in over your head: + +>>Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data). + +>>Genotyping is used to confirm the origin of an outbreak and to exclude endemic circulation, but it is also the only way to distinguish vaccine strains from wild-type viruses. + +Those recent vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had a relatively common reaction to the vaccination and, due to proximity (locale and time) with an actual measles outbreak, were initial false-positives. + +>McNall contradicts that by explaining that vaccine strain reaction (rash & fever) is clinically indistinguishable from the natural disease. + +No they don't. How else, then, can the PCR test distinguish them if they are indistinguishable? How else, then, do public health authorities justify quarantine for those with measles rather than vaccination reactions? You know, like McNall says here: + +>>During measles outbreak investigations, rapid detection of measles vaccine reactions is necessary to avoid unnecessary public health interventions. + +And also in **the first line of the paper**: + +>>During measles outbreaks, it is important to be able to rapidly distinguish between measles cases and vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary outbreak response measures such as case isolation and contact investigations. + +>and CDC stating that the reaction of vaccine strain and wild strain is identical + +They don't. Even in *your source* they are clearly distinguishable. The measles component is twice attenuated and not pathogenic. It can cause a rash and fever. It does not cause CNS damage, immune repertoire depletion, or SSPE--hallmarks of pathogenic measles. + +>Also, thank you for showing me the 2004 Thimerosal study. You've uncovered something interesting. + +Wait, you mean the study that was only accessed by FOIA and was buried by the CDC, never to be released to the public? Yeah, imagine that... + +>The 1999 study + +Except it's a pilot study given a presentation. It wasn't a paper yet. Further data collection resulted in a complete study, published in 2004. + +>Oddly, the 2004 continuation study is the exact opposite. Titled Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two-Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases. + +More data can do that. Weird how sample sizes work? + +>In this ""Phase II"" study, they've re-analyzed the Phase I data and suddenly found no increased risks for autism or attention-deficit disorder. + +Yep. Bigger sample size. + +>Conclusions. No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes. Conflicting results were found at different HMOs for certain outcomes. For resolving the conflicting findings, studies with uniform neurodevelopmental assessments of children with a range of cumulative thimerosal exposures are needed. + +Next question for ya: what was the follow up result? Spoiler: you're going to be disappointed. + +>I have a feeling that you regard everything the CDC reports as unquestionably true + +Your feelings seem to be based on nothing but nonsense, as evidenced by the complete 180s you've been doing this whole conversation. + +>In 1999, CDC conducted their study, found incredibly concerning data, and instead of making it public, they decided not to publish. + +They published that study...you just ""read"" it. And by ""read"" of course we mean you skimmed the abstract. + +>In 2004, they published the continuation study that suddenly found that thimerosal was safe all along. + +Oh, OK. That and, I suppose, FDA testing showing ethylmercury doesn't have the safety profile it was assumed to have (i.e. worse than methylmercury). Read the testimony to congress. The concern was that ethylmercury was expected to be *worse* than methylmercury. And, lo and behold, it's not. + +Anything else? Anything you've maybe actually read?",2019-04-05 01:51:27 +Comment,1,ek3q3xm,,0,1554417159.0,"Basically nothing. + +>Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. + +According to no-one. Interesting hyothesis, but autimmunity to MBP is called multiple sclerosis. If these children had reactivity to it, they would have multiple sclerosis. + +>Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. + +Nonsensical reason. Literally makes no sense. + +>Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. + +Not really. These children don't have MS. + +>Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism. + +Great, then test that dumb hypothesis if you want.",2019-04-05 01:32:39 +Comment,0,ek3pc0s,,0,1554416607.0,"In this instance, yourself. Broader, that Vaxfact site. ",2019-04-05 01:23:27 +Comment,2,ek9n4w7,,0,1554608698.0,"Turns out hg is used to measure the pressure exerted by a column of mercury 1 inch (25.4 mm) in height at the standard acceleration of gravity. I live in south america so I dont know much about these types of measurements, so yeah, if that helps or if you know how to use hg against % of mercury please tell me, then I will be able to transfer it and tell you the comparison between mercury in food and mercury in vaccines.",2019-04-07 06:44:58 +Comment,3,ek9mr5t,,0,1554608370.0,"I’m still looking for the hg in vaccines, but I found a site with the hg in food. Here is the quotation and here is a link to the site. + +“Statewide average Hg concentrations in ppb were milk, 0.8; eggs, 12; beef muscle, 5; beef liver, 10; pork muscle, 11; pork liver, 15; head hair, 1708; soil, 30; rainwater and well water, less than one” + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1190840/ + +As for the hg in vaccines for comparison, I’m looking it up. When I find it I’ll send it to you",2019-04-07 06:39:30 +Comment,1,ek9lvxx,,0,1554607621.0,"You said there's more mercury in what I eat every day than in a vaccine. I don't eat tuna every day. So would you like to change your statment to ""There's mercury in tuna."" or are you sticking with ""There's more mercury in what I eat everyday than vaccines.""?",2019-04-07 06:27:01 +Comment,1,ek9nhbq,,0,1554608993.0,"Good. But lets say your statement holds, which I think it probably does- does it make sense to say it's the same when one is going through your digestive tract and the other is going directly into your blood? Definitely not, so it's a false equivalency isn't it.",2019-04-07 06:49:53 +No Heath Care and Side Effect?,1,myctlr,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/myctlr/no_heath_care_and_side_effect/,11,1619399943.0,They seem to be pushing a mandatory vaccination for COVID-19. There also seems to be several side effects and even a few deaths due to the vaccination. If I don’t have health insurance and I don’t qualify for Medicaid will I be covered if I have adverse side effects from the shot?,2021-04-26 04:19:03 +Magnetic Therapy and Covid Vaccines,4,mxn4an,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mxn4an/magnetic_therapy_and_covid_vaccines/,8,1619309729.0,"Hey all + +I was wondering if someone knew the affects of magnetic therapy and covid vaccines? + +My mother likes to get magnet therapy every so often. I personally don’t believe in it but she does. + +She recently got her first shot of Pfizer about 2 weeks ago and will get her 2nd shot in a few months. + +She’s thinking of going to get another magnet therapy session soon. + +Is there any risk if she does do it? Like would it affect the vaccine currently inside her?",2021-04-25 03:15:29 +tElEkInEtIc WaVeS,19,mkcxei,https://i.redd.it/nnl0k50bcar61.png,5,1617626979.0,,2021-04-05 15:49:39 +FACT: vaccines cause cancer.,0,mhma6j,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mhma6j/fact_vaccines_cause_cancer/,10,1617275285.0,"You guys don't know the impact this will cause to children. They will be damaged for life, believing they are unsafe in a land of lawless, ruthless scummy terrorists you call medical professionals. This is literally 1984, yet you sheeple call it 2021! What will help is natural medicines, and organic food. It causes cancer. Wake the hell up, know your facts.",2021-04-01 14:08:05 +Is My COVID Vaccine Response Linked to My Immunity Level?,7,mclbcb,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mclbcb/is_my_covid_vaccine_response_linked_to_my/,5,1616661209.0,My sister and I both got the Moderna vaccine (both doses) from the same lots on the same days. I am 57; she is 55. I had almost no side effects from either dose. My sister had fever of 102 and felt like she’d been run over by a truck after her 2nd dose. Does this mean my pre-existing immune system started out stronger and didn’t need to work as hard to mount a defense as my sister’s? Or does this mean my sister built up better immunity to COVID than I did since her body mounted a stronger response to the vaccine ?,2021-03-25 10:33:29 +Beyond the Vaccine with Celeste Solum,0,mcfqhn,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mcfqhn/beyond_the_vaccine_with_celeste_solum/,2,1616646399.0,"Do you ever wonder why we are given an experimental drug that injects unknown synthetic RNA for the first time ever into billions of people? It's not even approved by the FDA and pays no regard to previous laws and regulations put in place to avoid this level of dangerous and deadly unknowns. + +Watch our show with Celeste Solum at [https://uimedianetwork.org/en/playing/beyond-the-vaccine-with-celeste-solum](https://uimedianetwork.org/en/playing/beyond-the-vaccine-with-celeste-solum)",2021-03-25 06:26:39 +AntiVax Nonsense Nothing New,6,mbjh53,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mbjh53/antivax_nonsense_nothing_new/,0,1616548122.0,"""Can any person say what may be the consequences of introducing a bestial humour into the human frame after a long lapse of years? Who knows beside, what ideas may rise, in the course of time, from a brutal fever having exercised its incongruous impression on the brain? Who knows also, that the human character may undergo strange mutations from quadruped sympathy; and that some modern Pasiphae may rival the fables of old."" +Benjamin Moseley (early antivaxxer objecting to Jenner's use of cowpox in preventing smallpox infection. Pasiphae was a mythological being, half-cow, half-human). Moseley seemed to be suggesting that giving people cowpox might turn them into cows. The resemblance to modern anti-vaxxer rhetoric is striking. Moseley too suggests implausible outcomes and sets them in the distant future so their absence now won't invalidate his argument. Quote derives from 1853 issue of Lancet as quoted in Berman, Antivaxxers:How to challenge a misinformed movement""",2021-03-24 03:08:42 +Pfizer covid vaccine second shot,9,m7hasc,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/m7hasc/pfizer_covid_vaccine_second_shot/,4,1616064278.0,"Hi, + +Just sharing my experience with the Pfizer Biontech 2nd dose covid vaccine. + +I received my 2nd shot yesterday around 630pm. This morning started like any other. I woke up at 630am, had my bkst, rode my bike up signal hill CA like I alway do, came back tobest, and all was peachy, around 1 pm, I felt extremely tired and bruised, my head started aching and I feel like I have a cold. Not trying to scare anyone, just plan your 2nd shot ahead of time.",2021-03-18 12:44:38 +"Now Casting COVID-19 Vaccine Volunteers, Freezer Truck Drivers, and Others!",6,lve7ps,https://i.redd.it/17k6kv3l6gk61.jpg,0,1614646739.0,,2021-03-02 02:58:59 +Beer after corona vaccination,1,lt67lb,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/lt67lb/beer_after_corona_vaccination/,0,1614397967.0,"Hello hello people, +Yesterday I just got my first corona vacation shot. +What do you think If I drink some beers ? +Anyone knows if it somehow can kill me ? +Cheers !",2021-02-27 05:52:47 +Waiting for vaccine,0,ls25xp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ls25xp/waiting_for_vaccine/,2,1614271838.0,"The harsh reality is that particular countries choose not the most effective vaccine, bu the available one.Russia cannot confirm the high quality, efficiency and safety of Sputnik V using an independent scientific investigation +[https://defendingthetruth.com/threads/waiting-for-vaccine.127458/](https://defendingthetruth.com/threads/waiting-for-vaccine.127458/)",2021-02-25 18:50:38 +A great article: myths vs facts of the Covid vaccine,9,lngr0r,https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact%3famp=true,1,1613772658.0,,2021-02-20 00:10:58 +"Vietnam's Covid-19 vaccine, Nanocovax effective on variants: university 'Vietnam is currently working on four Covid-19 vaccines produced by Nanogen, the Institute of Vaccines and Medical Biologicals..'",6,lgk3wu,https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-s-covid-19-vaccine-effective-on-variants-university-4233946.html,0,1612953875.0,,2021-02-10 12:44:35 +Pertussis,3,le3vep,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/le3vep/pertussis/,6,1612665963.0,"I am. 50+ male. I recently had to get a new round of vaccinations. The university I’m getting my masters at required it. I question having to be forced as a 50+ year old to re vaccinate. That is not my question though + +My question is...a month after getting mumps / rubella I believe it was a total of 3 shots. I got shingles. As it child I don’t remember having chicken pox. My siblings don’t remember either + +I don’t have any views about vaccines and their connection to anything other that making us healthier n general. Not look for conspiracy thoughts please. + +Does it make sense that I would get shingles after getting shots? + +Btw I did not get vaccinated against shingles. + +Any thought would be appreciated",2021-02-07 04:46:03 +"Sobre las vacunas para el COVID19, compilación de textos científicos y opinión personal.",4,lace91,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/lace91/sobre_las_vacunas_para_el_covid19_compilación_de/,1,1612238173.0,"A propósito de los comentarios que he leído y escuchado sobre las vacunas para el COVID19, pero sobre todo de la vacuna rusa Sputnik V, me he dado a la tarea de estudiar algunos textos científicos y hacer una compilación de los mismos para hacerlos de su conocimiento, a continuación les comparto + +**SOBRE LA VACUNA RUSA SPUTNIK V** +The Lancet, una de las revistas médicas más prestigiosas del mundo, publicó los resultados de los ensayos de la primera y la segunda fase de la vacuna rusa SPUTNIK V, que demostraron lo siguiente: + +1. La plataforma de vectores adenovirales humanos es eficaz, a pesar de las preocupaciones por la posibilidad de una inmunidad preexistente a los adenovirus. + +2. Se seleccionó la dosis segura óptima que permitió lograr una respuesta inmunitaria humoral y celular en el 100 % de los participantes, incluso en aquellos que habían tenido una infección con adenovirus. + +3. El uso de dos vectores diferentes permite lograr una respuesta inmune más efectiva. + +4. El nivel de anticuerpos contra el SARS-CoV-2 en voluntarios vacunados con Sputnik V fue entre 1,4 y 1,5 veces más alto que el nivel de anticuerpos en los pacientes que se habían recuperado del covid-19. + +5. Tiene una eficacia de 91.4 por ciento contra el virus SARS-CoV-2, y de 100 por ciento para evitar los cuadros graves de la enfermedad Covid-19. + +Al mismo tiempo, no se encontraron eventos adversos graves en los vacunados con Sputnik V, mientras que para otras vacunas, este parámetro oscila entre el 1 y el 25 por ciento. + +Varias otras empresas están utilizando también plataformas basadas en vectores adenovirales humanos para sus vacunas contra el covid-19, como por ejemplo Johnson & Johnson, que usa el vector Ad26, y la china CanSino, que emplea el Ad5 mientras que la Rusa SPUTNIK V utiliza dos vectores adenovirales, el Ad5 y el Ad26. + +Vale la pena mencionar que las plataformas para vacunas que usan otros países, como el vector de adenovirus de chimpancé (OXFORD-ASTRA ZENECA, quienes por cierto están estudiando la posibilidad de aplicar de manera conjunta su vacuna y la SPUTNIK V para incrementar su efectividad) o la tecnología de ARN (PFIZER-BIONTECH), nunca antes habían sido utilizadas en vacunas que hayan pasado la FASE 3. Tampoco han sido sometidas a estudios a largo plazo sobre sus posibles efectos secundarios en el cuerpo humano, como por ejemplo los riesgos de desarrollar complicaciones relacionadas con el cáncer o sus efectos sobre la fertilidad. + +**Las vacunas de ARN mensajero (PFIZER-BIONTECH-MODERNA).** +La mayor preocupación con este tipo de vacunas ha sido su inestabilidad, su baja eficiencia para introducirlas en las células y que expresen el antígeno. También ha preocupado el hecho de que el ARN puede estimular reacciones inmunológicas de tipo inflamatorio, por lo que todos estos factores han limitado en parte su desarrollo. El ARN es una molécula muy inestable que requiere condiciones de mantenimiento extremas (de menos 80℃), se degrada muy fácilmente por enzimas y no se internaliza de forma eficiente. + +Sin embargo, esta tecnología también tiene ventajas. Es relativamente más barata que otro tipo de vacunas y, sobre todo, permite diseñar una vacuna nueva en un tiempo récord. Una vez que se conoce el genoma del patógeno, en unas semanas se pueden producir los primeros prototipos vacunales, lo que la convierte en una excelente herramienta cuando aparece un patógeno nuevo para el que se necesita una vacuna con urgencia, como en una pandemia. En este caso, la rapidez es un beneficio mayor que el problema de su inestabilidad. Moderna fue capaz de diseñar su vacuna de ARNm contra SARS-CoV-2 tan solo seis semanas después de que el genoma del virus se hiciera público. + +**MI OPINIÓN.** +Por un lado la vacuna rusa aprovecha los modelos de vacunas ya probados, innova en el sentido de usar dos vectores en lugar de uno solo. Es un modelo que, si bien no tiene la efectividad que manifiestan en las vacunas de ARN mensajero, es más segura en términos de efectos secundarios adversos e igual de efectiva que la vacunas que todos conocemos hasta ahora y que nos hemos aplicado. + +Por el otro lado Pfizer y otras le apuestan al futuro y a lo económico, puede que en esta ocasión tengan tropezones pero el avance que van a lograr es un ahorro en años de investigación, aún así, como el resto de las vacunas, el reto será que en el mediano y largo plazo resulten eficaces y que sus efectos adversos sean mínimos para poder compararlas con el modelo tradicional de vacunas que, guste o no a políticos y villamelones, es eficaz y seguro. + +**¿CONCLUSIÓN?** +Me encuentro optimista, las vacunas contra el COVID19 comentadas en este texto han demostrado científicamente que podemos seguir confiando en la ciencia para resolver y prevenir problemas de salud como las pandemias. La competencia entre científicos es sana y provoca desarrollos alternativos, lo que nos permite tener varias respuestas a un mismo problema y con ello se abran posibilidades para tomar decisiones que, de acuerdo a cada país, pueden ser más adecuadas para cada uno. + +¿Guerra fría en pleno siglo XXI? + +FUENTES. +1. [https://www.thelancet.com/.../PIIS0140-6736(20.../fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR0VjZBvuesks49C8K0qoaIN6Bp3kelYldFvPe_y2QJ7ydNHCFXG97UYpoY) + +2. [https://theconversation.com/vacunas-de-arnm-un-mensaje-de...](https://theconversation.com/vacunas-de-arnm-un-mensaje-de-esperanza-152632?fbclid=IwAR1tw2HoPDMnOSk-SyKlAGyHnbSiL7EWKmnp-dHHH52cpdAzUezYEwyXyYQ) + +3. Imagen: Creador: Klubovy | Imagen propiedad de: Getty Images + +Copyright: Klubovy",2021-02-02 05:56:13 +"If someone tells you the vaccine contains a microchip, ask them what would be the point.",20,l7xuci,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/l7xuci/if_someone_tells_you_the_vaccine_contains_a/,12,1611968752.0,"For the sake of argument, let's assume that world government, Bill Gates or whoever else is ""really running things"" wants to secretly monitor the population. They already have the means to do this and most people voluntarily carry it around in our pockets. Smartphones can track not only your location but also your internet activity and your conversations. There would be nothing to be gained from the supposed microchip",2021-01-30 03:05:52 +When do we expect to see that the vaccine starts to slow down the pandemic in the US?,12,l5blq3,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/l5blq3/when_do_we_expect_to_see_that_the_vaccine_starts/,1,1611686813.0,"The data shows that more than 20 millions people have taken the first dose. +After how many people takes the vaccine will the pandemic starts to slow down? Any data or thoughts?",2021-01-26 20:46:53 +Homeopaths (and other SCAM practitioners) are peddling dangerous myths,13,l4k6sk,https://edzardernst.com/2021/01/homeopaths-and-other-scam-practitioners-are-peddling-dangerous-myths/,0,1611594731.0,,2021-01-25 19:12:11 +"*SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN*, verified and established FACTS to immediately shut down the arguments of an uneducated anti-vaxxer. This post contains facts that will help you win any vaccine debate.",5,kwt886,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kwt886/scientifically_proven_verified_and_established/,14,1610610299.0,"This comprehensive and thorough list of facts will help you to counter and win any vaccine debate. If an antivaxer is attacking you or making baseless/outlandish + unscientific claims, you can use this list of information to shut their arguments down immediately with facts: + +\-**Vaccines are extremely safe**: in fact, *no serious adverse events* (besides injection site pain/erythema) have ever actually been proven. + +\-Vaccine adverse events are notoriously **OVER** (not under!) reported. It is estimated by a Harvard study using data mining technology + VAERS reports that **adverse events are reported at 100x** (or more) the **rate that they actually occur.** + +\-One study found that **97% of ""adverse events""** from vaccines are actually **nocebo effects** (like the placebo effect, people believe/imagine they are having symptoms due to fear/expectation) + +\-Not **a single case of autism** has ever made it to higher courts, because the **autism + vaccine connection has an overwhelming amount of research debunking it.** + +\-in 1986, vaccine manufacturers took **on increased liability** for their product to reassure the public of safety: this is because research has proven without doubt that vaccines are **incredibly safe.** Despite manufacture liability, vaccine manufactures have never actually needed to pay out any amount for any purported ""injury"" claims. The evidence is overwhelming to **debunk these claims.** + +\-**Andrew Wakefield,** a public disgrace and conspiracist theorist with multiple agendas, is the **only physician or scientist** to have **ever published a medical paper criticizing vaccine safety**. His paper was later **retracted for fraud** and his licence **revoked**. + +\-**Vaccine inserts** list events that occur normally in populations and **do NOT prove any causative association** between vaccines and these purported ""events"". If the events listed in vaccine inserts actually \*caused\* these effects, billions in personal injury lawsuits would be paid out --> which is *not* the case! + +\-Unlike what antivaxers claim, it has been proven thoroughly that Gardasil is incredibly safe. The supposed ""injuries"" that circulate the internet in the form of horror stories can be explained psychologically by the phenomenon of mass psychogenic events, instigated by fear + the nocebo effect. + +\-The MMR does not cause any adverse neurological events or damage in the brains of laboratory animals, even at doses higher than used in humans. + +\-The cumulative effect of the entire vaccination schedule (72 doses in children by the age of 18 today, in 2020) has been completely and thoroughly investigated for safety, and no issues have been found. + +\-Vaccines have rigorous long-term safety studies for all potential of carcinogenicity, fertility, and long-term health adverse effects, and no issues have been found. + +\-Despite some ethical concerns raised, several vaccinated vs. unvaccinated studies have been conducted. It was found that vaccinated children have significantly lower rates of allergies, chronic health problems, and neurological issues. + +\-Vaccines are thought to have a potential neuroprotective and anti-cancer effect, which is still being studied. It is suspected that vaccines may prevent infertility, dementia, and cancer, although further investigation is needed. + +\-All clinical trials for vaccines use double-blinded trials with saline placebos, which is the gold standard in medical research. + +\-The FDA has an independent taxpayer-funded committee to examine and analyze all raw data from vaccine clinical trials. Scientists and data analysts conducting this research have extensive background testing to ensure no conflicts of interest in any pharmaceutical company. This debunks the myth of ""conflict of interest"" regarding vaccine manufacturers funding their own safety studies for FDA/CDC approval. + +\-There are comprehensive laws to prevent the myth of the “revolving door” phenomenon that anti-vaxers like to use as proof of government-pharmaceutical corruption. If a scientist/researcher who investigated vaccine safety has had any financial ties to a pharmaceutical company, they are disqualified from the vaccine approval committee. Similarly, once an individual has worked in the field of vaccine approval for the FDA/CDC, they are unable to accept positions as pharmaceutical-hired scientists. These laws prevent conflicts of interest between vaccine approval and pharmaceutical profit. + +\-Studies of vaccinated vs unvaccinated infants have thoroughly refuted any claims linking vaccines to SIDS. + +\-The USA has very high vaccination rates as well as one of the lowest rates of infant mortality in all developed nations. + +\-France, which has a notoriously high rate of vaccine hesitancy, has higher rates of autism, SIDS, and chronic illnesses than other developed countries of similar socioeconomic structure. + +\-Autism is “more prevalent” due to more advanced and specific diagnostic criteria. Once diagnostic criteria was established, people of older generations (age 50’s-80’s) were found to have nearly identical rates of autism to those of younger generations (age 40’s and under). + +**Source: CDC, WHO, and FDA.** + +If an antivaxer ever tries to argue with you about the safety of vaccines, this comprehensive list of facts will immediately shut down all their false claims and misunderstanding. Don’t let false information spread! Share this to anyone who needs to hear it. + +TL;DR: FACTS to fight + win any antivax debate.",2021-01-14 09:44:59 +"I’m Allergic to Penicillin, Will I Take the COVID Vaccine?",0,kw3ll2,https://medium.com/beingwell/im-allergic-to-penicillin-will-i-take-the-covid-vaccine-69d85d6613f0,9,1610522879.0,,2021-01-13 09:27:59 +Johnson & Johnson COVID phase 3 trial,8,kvirym,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kvirym/johnson_johnson_covid_phase_3_trial/,2,1610449162.0,"I got the J&J vaccine about 40 days ago in their phase 3 trial and don’t have any problems after some initial minor nerve pains in my legs. They closed the one shot trial but have a 2 shot trial still open so my wife got in that one and her first shot is in a few days so I’m hoping she gets the vaccine also and not the placebo. + +I looked at it as a way to get a vaccine earlier and it worked. But if I got the placebo, they said we would get the vaccine once it is approved so again I would’ve gotten it earlier. Or I could take another vaccine if one became available. + +My goal was to avoid catching COVID and get a vaccine. + +So these phase 3 trials from J&J and other companies are a way to get a chance to get a vaccine early.",2021-01-12 12:59:22 +"My parents got both doses of the Chinese covid vaccine but the Pfizer came out recently. Can they still take the Pfizer vaccine as well? If so, how much of a time gap should they keep",0,krl2zy,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/krl2zy/my_parents_got_both_doses_of_the_chinese_covid/,7,1609956570.0,"My 67 year old father (65 kgs, has hypertension, type two diabetes) has been inoculated with the inactivated sinovac COVID-19 Vaccine (both doses). He is not overweight and exercises regularly. We had to get him inoculated due to the increasing virus transmission rate as well as the easy access to the Chinese sinovac vaccines in our country. + +However, recently out country introduced the Pfizer vaccine and opened up access to elderly people. I would like my dad to get vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine as well as I trust it more that the sinovac vaccine, due to the level of peer reviewed research published on the former candidate. + +Please advise on if he is able to take the Pfizer vaccine as well. If so, please advise how long of a gap should he keep between the last dose of the Sinovac vaccine and the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. + +P.S. After inoculation of the Sinovac vaccine, my father did not experience and adverse effects or experience any side effects.",2021-01-06 20:09:30 +Vaccine,3,kpm95n,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kpm95n/vaccine/,1,1609715904.0,"​ + +https://preview.redd.it/mr1ba23vx4961.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a5cbeade983b7978c7136b7fdbc608898c2b278",2021-01-04 01:18:24 +Is it biologically possible to insert a 5G tracker into a human via a vaccine?,9,khzpug,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/khzpug/is_it_biologically_possible_to_insert_a_5g/,9,1608646779.0,"Although I don't believe this to be true about the COVID-19 vaccine, this recent conspiracy theory has got me thinking about this, can this even work? Wouldn't a tracker require a battery source? Would a microchip fit into a syringe?",2020-12-22 16:19:39 +Well this is sad,7,khtmqn,https://i.redd.it/cgks1zamqm661.jpg,1,1608624245.0,,2020-12-22 10:04:05 +Vaccines exposed,39,kfctnr,https://i.redd.it/3ebjmlp8uk561.jpg,4,1608289872.0,,2020-12-18 13:11:12 +COVID19 Vaccination sentiments survey,4,kdfi7x,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kdfi7x/covid19_vaccination_sentiments_survey/,2,1608038330.0,"Dear all, + +We have prepared a short #survey, where you can express your opinion about the #COVID19Vaccine #CoronaVaccine. + +If you are living in the #USA, we will be grateful if you will participate and share: +[COVID19 Vaccination survey](https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=IYhnPFB3o0eTfyZhQ5q7eqGjfqSLSvhBqoV3r-scx2hUNkZGQlpBRDNMWTdTU1I0QUhESjhNWURPNC4u) + +#COVID19 #vaccine #vaccination #coronavirus #pandemic #covid #research #publichealth #health #medicine #covid19insights + +Thanks for taking and sharing this survey! + +The Investigators + +Prof. Abraham Seidmann, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA, +Dr. Arriel Benis and Prof. Shai Ashkenazi, Holon Institute of Technology, Tel-Aviv, Israel",2020-12-15 15:18:50 +"Officials confront challenges to get public to take COVID vaccine. 'A new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Monday found that more than 80% of Americans planned to get the vaccine, either when immediately available, or eventually. It signals growing confidence in the vaccine..'",2,kd1mf5,https://abcnews.go.com/Health/officials-confront-challenges-public-covid-vaccine/story?id=74708303,1,1607994432.0,,2020-12-15 03:07:12 +Delicious,21,k8tios,https://i.redd.it/hy7qvpohzu361.jpg,1,1607416539.0,,2020-12-08 10:35:39 +The last COVID vaccine,0,k7z13k,https://youtu.be/v_hFsRJ3pqU,0,1607307998.0,,2020-12-07 04:26:38 +"Is there any truth in this article that states, zero child out 562 didn’t develop adha, were 0006% did that were vaccinated.",3,k4ww49,https://informedchoicewa.org/news/its-here-the-vaxxed-vs-unvaxxed-study/?fbclid=IwAR3LG0IHlIGQdmIxEiB0b39VGKQbfHiX_iB0B2enLJDktJ-VKL_tuj9GvNg,7,1606893939.0,,2020-12-02 09:25:39 +Measles – An overview,3,k0nnhw,https://medsphere.wordpress.com/2020/11/25/measles/,0,1606318462.0,,2020-11-25 17:34:22 +Why Scientists & Public Health Officials Need To Address Vaccine Mistrust Instead of Dismissing it,5,jmopup,https://onlinemarketingscoops.com/why-scientists-public-health-officials-need-to-address-vaccine-mistrust-instead-of-dismissing-it/,0,1604357296.0,,2020-11-03 00:48:16 +The future is ‘CLEAR’ and it’s Dystopian: Virus hype ushers in a Covid 19-84 nightmare of restricted access — RT Op-ed,0,i5gs97,https://www.rt.com/op-ed/497272-clear-health-pass-covid-dystopian/,1,1596845983.0,,2020-08-08 03:19:43 +Lol,1,i3ytpi,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/i3ytpi/lol/,0,1596630747.0,"​ + +https://preview.redd.it/der9arzr34f51.png?width=702&format=png&auto=webp&s=11b00743183670fbdda1773c6ae8dda5dd2ce5bc",2020-08-05 15:32:27 +Vaccine = Mind Control,16,htmgsa,https://i.redd.it/g9ona2hs2ob51.jpg,4,1595129158.0,,2020-07-19 06:25:58 +Enough is enough,2,heokpe,https://youtu.be/VLfZhUCX86s,1,1592980100.0,,2020-06-24 09:28:20 +"I felt the need to question why this Anti Vaccine page spreads misinformation, Misinformation that can be so dangerous in the time of a pandemic",17,gqmbdm,https://i.redd.it/3ez33zl430151.jpg,3,1590480223.0,,2020-05-26 11:03:43 +.,14,gosvog,https://i.redd.it/rvq3nab93e051.jpg,5,1590213915.0,,2020-05-23 09:05:15 +If I drink alcohol the day before or the after the vaccine will it affect the vaccine?,7,gnivbp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/gnivbp/if_i_drink_alcohol_the_day_before_or_the_after/,1,1590034247.0,,2020-05-21 07:10:47 +What is the mortality rate of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children right now?,4,gm03sw,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/gm03sw/what_is_the_mortality_rate_of_vaccinated_vs/,1,1589831921.0,,2020-05-18 22:58:41 +"I'm not necessarily anti-vaccine but we need to talk about the specific companies that are distributing them, freely and openly",0,gk7vy5,https://i.redd.it/v55j8ufy5xy41.png,8,1589573182.0,,2020-05-15 23:06:22 +Why some common arguments about autism don't work,0,gfivrb,/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/gfhov5/why_some_common_arguments_about_autism_dont_work/,5,1588926914.0,,2020-05-08 11:35:14 +Why are the world’s top vaccine promoters frantically warning us about the unique and frightening dangers inherent in developing a coronavirus vaccine?,0,g1zp4n,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/g1zp4n/why_are_the_worlds_top_vaccine_promoters/,1,1587010220.0,"From: + +[https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/heres-why-bill-gates-wants-indemnity-are-you-willing-to-take-the-risk/](https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/heres-why-bill-gates-wants-indemnity-are-you-willing-to-take-the-risk/) + +​ + +Why are the world’s top vaccine promoters, like Paul Offit and Peter Hotez, frantically warning us about the unique and frightening dangers inherent in developing a coronavirus vaccine? + +Scientists first attempted to [develop coronavirus vaccines](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22536382) after China’s 2002 SARS-CoV outbreak. Teams of US & foreign scientists vaccinated animals with the four most promising vaccines. At first, the experiment seemed successful as all the animals developed a robust antibody response to coronavirus. However, when the scientists exposed the vaccinated animals to the wild virus, the results were horrifying. Vaccinated animals [suffered hyper-immune responses](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22536382) including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs. Researchers had seen this same “enhanced immune response” during human testing of the [failed RSV vaccine tests](https://cvi.asm.org/content/23/3/189) in the 1960s. [Two children died](https://cvi.asm.org/content/23/3/189). + +In this video footage, Offit, Hotez and even Anthony Fauci (in an unguarded moment), warn that any new coronavirus vaccine could trigger lethal immune reactions “vaccine enhancement” when vaccinated people come in contact with the wild virus. Instead of proceeding with caution, Fauci has made the reckless choice to [fast track](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200316005666/en/Moderna-Announces-Participant-Dosed-NIH-led-Phase-1) vaccines, partially [funded by Gates](https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/bill-gates-says-foundation-will-invest-billions-fight-stop-covid-19/MMAFTSVGKZHPTEGYKEQKMRWTWU/), without critical [animal studies](https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11/researchers-rush-to-start-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-without-usual-animal-testing/) before moving into human clinical trials that could provide early warning of runaway immune response. + +Gates (in the video) is so worried about the danger of adverse events that he says vaccines shouldn’t be distributed until governments [agree to indemnity](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/09/watch-cnbcs-full-interview-with-microsoft-co-founder-bill-gates-on-past-pandemic-warnings.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.Mail&fbclid=IwAR0RG79OtbdXUpY_ylULT6sY_Xo5D-cBQ0awSo6vGS19VnLGqB9z)against lawsuits. On February 4, 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) [website](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html), there were only [11 active CV cases](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html) in the USA, yet the U.S. quietly pushed through [Federal regulations](https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/prepact/Pages/COVID19.aspx) giving coronavirus vaccine makers full immunity from liability. + +​ + +""...""",2020-04-16 07:10:20 +Have you heard any myth about Coronavirus Vaccine?,1,fuaq4z,https://i.redd.it/mu49q1ducmq41.jpg,1,1585957660.0,,2020-04-04 02:47:40 +Is There Any Vaccine Available For Coronavirus (COVID-19)?,2,fua146,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/fua146/is_there_any_vaccine_available_for_coronavirus/,2,1585955274.0,Novel Coronavirus is a big threat to the world and all the doctors are trying to make the vaccine of COVID-19. But there is no such dedicated and preventive [coronavirus vaccine](https://lifestyleheart.com/is-there-any-vaccine-available-for-coronavirus-covid-19/) is available in the world medical centers.,2020-04-04 02:07:54 +Check this out 😊,6,frbw72,https://www.facebook.com/102941431365157/posts/103010051358295/,0,1585539822.0,,2020-03-30 06:43:42 +Now where are those people who says vaccine are bad we don't have vaccine for covid 19 and whole world is fucked up,10,fqzmys,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/fqzmys/now_where_are_those_people_who_says_vaccine_are/,1,1585484079.0,,2020-03-29 15:14:39 +Is my daughter safe?,6,fmsids,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/fmsids/is_my_daughter_safe/,21,1584874088.0,"This might be a stupid question, and forgive me but I would very much like to know. My daughter is 2, up to date on vaccines, no underlying health issues. Is she fully protected from the diseases she is vaccinated for? Do I need to worry about if she is around unvaccinated children? I don’t know all of the vaccine arguments and debates, but I do know I believe in them and they save lives. Any info would be appreciated",2020-03-22 12:48:08 +"Having a youtube comment debate, how do I respond to this?",5,fl6mot,https://i.redd.it/hcfyu45obln41.png,4,1584635500.0,,2020-03-19 18:31:40 +Supreme court antivax case,8,ffx8bp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ffx8bp/supreme_court_antivax_case/,11,1583799832.0,So a nurse friend of mine is antivax(idk how she gets a job). She posted some cdc vs icandecide supreme court case. I'm trying to find formation about the case but cant find anything online except for what she provided. Apparently the ruling was that the cdc doesnt have any proof that vaccines did not cause autism. Any help or clarification?,2020-03-10 02:23:52 +How ironic,30,feb0wn,https://i.redd.it/3p53rb7hs0l41.jpg,3,1583515179.0,,2020-03-06 19:19:39 +Hmm,19,f1w9rj,https://i.redd.it/hnu1yiwbo5g41.png,1,1581395078.0,,2020-02-11 06:24:38 +Are vaccines made by pompous people?,0,f05tlq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/f05tlq/are_vaccines_made_by_pompous_people/,15,1581081472.0,"Is it more likely that Corona and other viruses like SARS, Avian and ZIKA + +are man-made diseases implanted through vaccinations years in advance inadvertantly + +that are triggered when common diseases infect the contaminated cells? + +_ can blind faith in medical practices and practioners be our ultimate demise.",2020-02-07 15:17:52 +Anti-Vaccine Points Refuted A Thousand Times,13,ewsgky,https://vaxopedia.org/2018/07/29/anti-vaccine-points-refuted-a-thousand-times/,0,1580523379.0,,2020-02-01 04:16:19 +My mom is adamant that there are aborted fetus cells in vaccines,15,ewfixs,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ewfixs/my_mom_is_adamant_that_there_are_aborted_fetus/,11,1580459376.0,Are there really? Can someone explain to me why this scare started and give sources that suggest otherwise?,2020-01-31 10:29:36 +Does the Vitamin K Shot Contain 100mcg of Aluminum?,10,evbvpj,https://vaxopedia.org/2018/08/25/does-the-vitamin-k-shot-contain-100mcg-of-aluminum/,6,1580275437.0,,2020-01-29 07:23:57 +Is 100% of Injected Aluminum Absorbed?,2,evbtzu,https://vaxopedia.org/2019/08/21/is-all-injected-aluminum-absorbed/,3,1580275254.0,,2020-01-29 07:20:54 +I’m having a debate and I can’t find any links online,3,etjlw2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/etjlw2/im_having_a_debate_and_i_cant_find_any_links/,5,1579942127.0,"So my question is do getting vaccines boost your overall immune system and helping fight off diseases, bacterial infections, and viruses?",2020-01-25 10:48:47 +Anti-Vaxer Harassment,1,eqknqd,https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200117/cincinnati-pediatrician-created-viral-tiktok-video-supporting-vaccinations-then-things-got-ugly,0,1579402944.0,,2020-01-19 05:02:24 +What should I say to my sister who keeps sending me crap like this??,13,enrmmu,https://i.redd.it/2a9b21etaea41.jpg,20,1578884407.0,,2020-01-13 05:00:07 +Vaccines DO CAUSE AUTISM,0,en62e6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/en62e6/vaccines_do_cause_autism/,9,1578768719.0,My wonderful daughter hailey got what seems like autism from vaccines she got! 1 vaccine made her autistic and the doctor lied to us saying she wouldn’t become autistic. we are now curing her autism with essential oils like lavender and using crystals to purify her mind and spirit,2020-01-11 20:51:59 +Vaccinate folks.,24,em2eo8,https://i.redd.it/nvz6th3ynn941.jpg,7,1578561937.0,,2020-01-09 11:25:37 +STROKE AFTER FLU SHOT,0,ejon4x,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ejon4x/stroke_after_flu_shot/,8,1578126807.0,A girl I work with had two strokes after getting a flue shot. Has any one else heard of this?,2020-01-04 10:33:27 +The World Health Organization Are Hypocrites,3,eixjck,https://youtu.be/X7_O-ynxenI,22,1577996184.0,,2020-01-02 22:16:24 +"How I left the antivax movement and took others with me, and what we need to do to counter unscientific thinking",9,ehzxhg,/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/ehji1f/how_i_left_the_antivax_movement_and_took_others/,0,1577807742.0,,2019-12-31 17:55:42 +Common vaccine fallacies to avoid,1,eg7m7g,/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/chwrg7/common_vaccine_fallacies_to_avoid/,3,1577457298.0,,2019-12-27 16:34:58 +Anti vax billboard in my town!!! Help,25,eetdr4,https://i.redd.it/fq5lp10r8h641.jpg,18,1577176643.0,,2019-12-24 10:37:23 +Do you guys think it's alright to censor anti-vaccination information? If it's such bullshit why bother?,4,ea6zt6,https://i.redd.it/ri2h6p64of441.png,49,1576286989.0,,2019-12-14 03:29:49 +Can't fix stupid.,8,ea4yvg,https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaxxers-refuse-leave-nj-transit-meeting-despite-being-told-theyre-protesting-wrong-place-1477063,0,1576277724.0,,2019-12-14 00:55:24 +A vaccine debate group juts started up. If you’re interested in joining.,0,e83687,https://www.facebook.com/groups/445000352804849/?ref=share,4,1575885382.0,,2019-12-09 11:56:22 +Brave Baby Yoda.,20,e758iq,https://i.redd.it/svaea3xm43341.jpg,5,1575698218.0,,2019-12-07 07:56:58 +To the Kevin whomst this message is directed,6,e29q5r,https://i.redd.it/ul2wpkgrb5141.jpg,4,1574853132.0,,2019-11-27 13:12:12 +Do live vaccines shed?,4,e229g6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/e229g6/do_live_vaccines_shed/,10,1574822294.0,"After you get a live vaccine do you need to stay away from elderly / newborns / immunocompromised? I can't find any solid studies that show vaccines can spread disease. In fact, all I can find are studies debunking this. But sources say *in theory* it could happen. So just curious if anyone has better info or links to help me out",2019-11-27 04:38:14 +A mom friend is excited her kids got chicken pox,10,e1l9oc,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/e1l9oc/a_mom_friend_is_excited_her_kids_got_chicken_pox/,5,1574739253.0,"I posted this on the antivaxxers too because I don’t know where it belongs. + +I guess i have many questions. + + + +Why is this mom excited about the chicken pox? + + + +Is it not dangerous? + + + +What do anti vaxxers believe that would make getting the chicken pox exciting? + + + +My kids are both fully vaccinated (4 and 2 years old), are they protected? + + + +My husband never got the chicken pox but got a vaccine when he was a kid, is he protected? + + + +I am pregnant but had them as a kid, am i protected? + + + +Arent your risk of getting shingles greatly increased if you have had the chicken pox? + + + +If anti vaxxers get excited that your body builds natural immunity after having the disease, isnt that what vaccines do for your body except your never ""sick""? + + + +Bonus, she posted about it and many moms commented how happy they are her and that they wish they were closer so they could go over. I was very confused and also didn't realized i knew this many moms that believed this lol..",2019-11-26 05:34:13 +Anyone able to help with a uk university survey?,6,e144c2,https://forms.gle/ZtxQZQSj3zqbZA7U9,1,1574656134.0,,2019-11-25 06:28:54 +Anti-Vax Nurse?!,7,dwwffd,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dwwffd/antivax_nurse/,27,1573878552.0,"Sorry if this is the wrong sub, but I don’t know where else to post this. + +My dad is dying of congestive heart failure. He has temporary home healthcare due to procedures he just had done on his heart, and the latest nurse shared that she believes in the autism-vaccine link as well as “bad chemicals hurting people”, and she agrees with her daughter about delaying vaccines for the grandkids. My dad is also anti-vax. I brought up vaccines hoping that she could talk some sense into my dad about getting a pneumonia vaccine but instead ran into this baffling BS. It’s so frustrating. My dad is already hard headed enough. + +I’m starting to get frustrated with nurses and PAs stepping on doctors’ orders after talking to my dad for less than 30 minutes and taking a brief history. The last PA he saw also cleared him to stop taking one of his heart failure medications that his cardiologist prescribed. We had to badger him into taking his meds after that. I can only hope his cardiologist talked some sense into him today.",2019-11-16 06:29:12 +Need help with an anti-vaxxer on Reddit,7,dtu0rj,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dtu0rj/need_help_with_an_antivaxxer_on_reddit/,32,1573321779.0,"Hi all. + +They’re saying things like double-blind studies and aluminium and have provided sources and stuff but I don’t know how to combat that and I most CERTAINLY don’t want to walk away from this with a little bit of doubt about vaccines, just because I didn’t know enough to hold a discussion about it, but I also don’t want to cling to a belief even when I’m presented with good evidence. Problem is, I don’t know if it’s good bloody evidence! + +Where can I get sources? Would anybody who knows more about the subject matter like to ‘casually’ step in to the argument? I feel like an audience member in a debate and I’ve just been made to take part!",2019-11-09 19:49:39 +Do you know that vaccines contain Dihydrogen Monoxide?,17,dp6z4z,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dp6z4z/do_you_know_that_vaccines_contain_dihydrogen/,6,1572472092.0,It’s true!,2019-10-30 23:48:12 +Any studies on how much ethylmercury is acceptable in injections?,5,doyqqk,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/doyqqk/any_studies_on_how_much_ethylmercury_is/,24,1572422638.0,"I'm compiling evidence against a website, www.learntherisk.org, to educate some antivax friends on vaccines.",2019-10-30 10:03:58 +Vaccines are bad and we should ban them,16,dnsss8,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dnsss8/vaccines_are_bad_and_we_should_ban_them/,8,1572209493.0,"Vaccinated people live long enough to be adults and adults are meanies + +Signed by: +Three 8 year olds in a Trenchcoat",2019-10-27 22:51:33 +Myth: No Studies Compare the Health of Unvaccinated and Vaccinated People,16,dl428r,https://thoughtscapism.com/2015/04/10/myth-no-studies-compare-the-health-of-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people/?fbclid=IwAR1v1HQ-jOwzwTfzBWUXQaH2dUOJLC6nIAJfY6mvOmLC1DljdA8sL8FttK4,1,1571708579.0,,2019-10-22 04:42:59 +An unvaccinated child's EKG be like:,15,dk5aqy,https://i.redd.it/ycb6v9froit31.jpg,8,1571528108.0,,2019-10-20 02:35:08 +BEWARE! Vaccines contain a deadly chemical called DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!,15,dcylei,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dcylei/beware_vaccines_contain_a_deadly_chemical_called/,16,1570171642.0,"Dihydrogen monoxide is a deadly chemical that causes excess sweating, urination, and even death!! Read the ingredients people!!!",2019-10-04 09:47:22 +Why they use Mercury in vaccines?,9,d73fc2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/d73fc2/why_they_use_mercury_in_vaccines/,18,1569053701.0,"I want to be humble and open minded and I'm skeptical. +I'm asking in this place bc I don't know where to start. +First of all I have 2 boys one is 6 (I stopped following the schedule of vaccination) the other is 6 months (never vaccinated). +Please excuse my English. +BEFORE you jump with your outraged let me clarify why I'm doing this PERHAPS I'm wrong, people won't realized many ""anti-vaxxers"" are just normal parents unsure of what is the right thing to do and they just don't trust institution for good reasons but all of them are being ridiculized with memes for example, this type of behavior reminds me discussions from circumcised people (supposedly an advantageous practice) fluoride in the water (recently scientifically proven to reduce iq in children), the supposed benefits of Masturbation and porn consumption when I personally have a life changing experience with NOFAP while when you Google Masturbation first page shows articles from the Huffpos, Bustler etc..about the wonders of said habit. + +Add this my own personal experience and people I know irl, in my quest for knowledge I found my own vaccination schedule, I got 27 vaccines before I was 18! Mumps, chicken pox, measles included, ironically I got these 3 diseases anyway, mumps at 6, chicken pox at 19 measles at 9-10. + +Even worst I'm autistic irl something I'm not proud of (I live in perpetual embarrassment) this only adds more sceptisim honestly I wanted to learn from ""both sides"" but most ""pro-vaccination"" people seems to be unconcerned individuals who only enjoy making jokes and memes about the whole subject I use to be like that until the day I was a father, I have no doubts there are people working to improve the world but let's not forget sometimes science takes a while to catch on maybe they just don't know any better the bad news pharmaceutical companies do have motives to promote vaccination just check the cost of each unit your government have to pay.",2019-09-21 11:15:01 +I need help debunking this,2,cwfzcc,https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157381142528490&id=111877548489,1,1566996054.0,,2019-08-28 15:40:54 +This is how vaccines were linked to autism,11,cuzm3a,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cuzm3a/this_is_how_vaccines_were_linked_to_autism/,12,1566712137.0,"It stemmed from an article published by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues back in the 1998 in the UK. + +In the study, Wakefield looked at 12 children with gastrointestinal issues also had neurological deficits. Eight of those children received the MMR vaccine. He concluded the article saying they couldn't prove a connection between the MMR vaccine and the gastrointestinal issues because the evidence is inadequate. Nowhere in the article he said there was a link between autism and the vaccine, until Wakefield claimed that it did in a press conferences. + +His article was published in *the Lancet*, a well-known medicinal journal, and he was known to be a prestigious and highly regarded doctor( he's the doctor who identify the cause of Crohn's disease), so when the public heard of the vaccine-autism link, the public ate it up, fear arose, and vaccination rates dropped. + +The article and his claims are farfetch once you look at the detail. First, the size of his studies was too small, only 12 children, making any connection seem statistically significant. There was only a few variables were studies and according to him, those 12 children exhibited forms of autism (the symptoms were not akin to autism). Not only that, his study didn't have the Ethical Practice Committee approve the study, which is necessary to ensure that the research doesn't harm its participants. + +What's worse it that it was discovered after much denial that Wakefield was being funded $800,000 by a personal injury lawyer named Richard Barr, who needed evidence that autism was caused by vaccine for cases of parents of autistic children who were suing pharmaceutical companies for compensation. Five of the 12 children were even clients of Barr. Wakefield's collaborators didn't even know about the money and were furious enough to retract their names for the study. But Wakefield had another motive. He advocated that vaccines need to be safe and tells the public that the current MMR vaccine isn't safe. Prior to his study, he was applying for a vaccine patent, he wanted to make his own MMR vaccine and wanted to get rid of the completion. + +Wakefield had his medical license evoked in 2005. This should have been the end of the myth, but sadly no. He moved to the USA and is still highly regarded by people. Now his MMR and autism phase is dying down, but his new topic takes the spotlight, mercury in vaccines.",2019-08-25 08:48:57 +For those concerned about thimerosal,2,cuzfzp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cuzfzp/for_those_concerned_about_thimerosal/,1,1566711300.0,"Everyone knows that mercury is harmful of the body as it is classified as a neurotoxin. So the thought of thimerosal being injected into our children and our bodies is concerning, since it does contain some mercury. + +But mercury has different forms. The one that is dangerous is methylmercury. In terms of chemistry, it is the combination of a mercury atom to one carbon atom. It is known to be very dangerous to all living beings. Out of all forms of mercury, methylmercury is absorbed the easily and can even cross the blood brain barrier. Since, there are tiny tiny doses of it in contaminated food, like fish, which is why pregnant women are told to avoid seafood. + +I wanted to clarify that methylmercury was never used in vaccines. While thimerosal does have mercury, it is not methylmercury. It is ethlymercury. + +Ethlymercury has two carbon atoms, instead of one, which drastically changes its properties and abilities. Due to its size, it's hard for it to cross the blood brain barrier and it's quickly excreted. + +Despite this, in 2002, thimerosal was removed from nearly all vaccines due to, not under the prove that it is harmful, but the idea that is has the potential for harm from the general public. This might have been due because of an article called ""Autism: A Novel Form of Mercury Poisoning"" . It was published by a group of parents in the 2001 that linked autism to mercury poisoning and the thimerosal was to blame. This article was not reviewed by any medical or scientific professionals, but it stirred up the public enough for the preservative to be removed.",2019-08-25 08:35:00 +For any parents concerned about the ingredients in vaccines,11,cuz8mq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cuz8mq/for_any_parents_concerned_about_the_ingredients/,11,1566710262.0,"When reading the ingredients that are in vaccines, it is understanding why many parents want to avoid preservatives with names like aluminum hydroxide and formaldehyde. But without those preservatives, vaccines will have a very short shelf life and then afterward inefficient. Parents may question if that's enough reason to expose their children to poison. I wanted to reassure and inform that those ingredients are harmless, despite its name and known uses, because of its dosage. + +Anything in the world can act as a poison or be completely harmless depending on the dosage. So just because something sounds good or bad doesn't mean that any dosage of it remains so. For example, too much vitamin A can actually poison you and damage your liver. + +Here is a list of some ingredients in vaccines and their dosage, as well as some usages: + +* Aluminum hydroxide: Used as a adjuvant (helps with efficacy of vaccine) in the DTap (0.625 mg). Also used antacids and in infant formula (0.225 mg per liter). +* Formaldehyde: Prevent growth of harmful bacteria in vaccine. All vaccine combined has 1.2 mg of it, while 1 kg of bananas has 16.3 mg. +* Monosodium Glutamate: Help preserve vaccines and used as a flavor enhancer. Some flu vaccines contain 0.188 mg of MSG, while grape juice can contain 0.258 mg per 100 grams. +* Sodium Chloride: Another name for salt and some vaccine have them to keep them in a state that will not badly affect the cells. +* Sorbitol: Preservative, found naturally in fruits, and also used a sweetener in sugar-free products. MMR vaccine has 15 mg and 1 stick of sugar-free gum has 1.25 g.",2019-08-25 08:17:42 +Seeking help to inform an anti vaxxer who may be convinced otherwise.,6,coam4c,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/coam4c/seeking_help_to_inform_an_anti_vaxxer_who_may_be/,11,1565423706.0,"Hello, I have a friend pregnant with her first baby and she's afraid of vaccinating her baby, however she just seems to have seen only one or two videos and might be swayed. I'm not good at finding good links and resources. If ylu guys would help that would be bomb. I dunno if she believes the autism thing but to cover the major myths I think would be good to start? Km not good at reddit so if there's a thread I should read a link will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!",2019-08-10 10:55:06 +This is one of the best explanations I've ever read about the moment an anti-vaxxer experienced an epiphany & realized that everything they thought they knew about vaccines were false after lab test results debunked their beliefs about vaccines.,26,cm32s0,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cm32s0/this_is_one_of_the_best_explanations_ive_ever/,15,1564989227.0,"​ + +https://preview.redd.it/x1zr9qxkeie31.png?width=597&format=png&auto=webp&s=c1cf44bdac7cb6709f564e335607e29445f7ee70 + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/39k74geueie31.png?width=557&format=png&auto=webp&s=9da0ea22b7761f94bda08626345d208b0cd3c272 + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/tyao7ypveie31.png?width=593&format=png&auto=webp&s=16ba5eecad3b33c5ea0a4e92a7774272c46d31cc + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/1p7sf4qweie31.png?width=586&format=png&auto=webp&s=e3d8874c19c22d7bf670219bb39001915c0cc3d4",2019-08-05 10:13:47 +Ask an anti-vaxxer?,9,cccdvh,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cccdvh/ask_an_antivaxxer/,9,1562974476.0,Is there anywhere/any subs where anti-vaxxers and pro-van people can talk in good faith? I’m trying to understand their arguments and rationales but I’m really not into online arguments.,2019-07-13 02:34:36 +"Saying vaccines cause autism, is not the same as saying ""Vaccines are bad, stop them!""",0,cb0ebr,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cb0ebr/saying_vaccines_cause_autism_is_not_the_same_as/,22,1562705100.0,"It may or may not be this. + +It could simply mean ""they do cause autism, and this is an issue, it doesn't mean vaccines must be taken off schedule right now. or ever, but it must be talked about."" + +So if anyone does claim they do, just remember, that they are only claiming one thing. Not anything else.",2019-07-09 23:45:00 +"Took this from one of my textbooks at UNI - if anyone says they don’t believe vaccines work, send them this",11,c83yra,https://i.redd.it/bhe77vw53t731.jpg,0,1562065385.0,,2019-07-02 14:03:05 +Vaccines have a huge side effect,31,by5sm2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/by5sm2/vaccines_have_a_huge_side_effect/,13,1560010595.0,"Vaccines have a huge side effect, vaccines are shots filled with heavy metals that will cause this side effect which is + + + + + + + +It allows me to grow to a adult.",2019-06-08 19:16:35 +I almost died of vaccination,0,bu2j8m,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bu2j8m/i_almost_died_of_vaccination/,15,1559091833.0,"my mom gave me a vaccine at 7 and I almost died and I saw jesus and he told me +""Child you are a moron"" +And since then I pee sitting and poo poo standing",2019-05-29 04:03:53 +VACCINES ARE SO GOOD I CAN GROW TO BE AN ADULT WITH THEM!,12,bs2zvq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bs2zvq/vaccines_are_so_good_i_can_grow_to_be_an_adult/,2,1558647175.0,,2019-05-24 00:32:55 +"Anti-vaxxing, or expired antibodies?",14,bm6kr0,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bm6kr0/antivaxxing_or_expired_antibodies/,13,1557357825.0,"I'm 49, and just had a Measles titre. I have no antibodies left from my childhood immunization, and therefore must be re-inoculated. + +I also found out that a titre on my Chicken pox vaccination from 15 years ago, I'm left without any antibodies either. I've never had Chickenpox. + +Why has the media not caught on to the concept that the resurgence may not just be about anti-vaxxers? It might seem that a good deal of this might have to do with us older Americans running out of antibodies.",2019-05-09 02:23:45 +"Non vaccinated children (not just MMR, I mean 0 vaccines) ratio to Autism.",8,bk3dp9,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bk3dp9/non_vaccinated_children_not_just_mmr_i_mean_0/,31,1556879392.0,"Hello people! + +I am trying to find studies that show no causation/correlation between absolutely non-vaccinated vs fully vaxxed children and the ratio to autism in both groups (not just MMR, I mean non vaxxed at all). Or simply the ratio between those that have autism but have 0 vaccines on them. This would be the nail-in-the-coffin for my wife to show her, ""Lady, here you go"". The problem is that everything I find so far is only focusing on MMR/Rubella shots... which is kind a lame because is still comparing vaxxed vs vaxxed, just ones have not had the MMR shot yet... + +Can anyone point me to something like this? + +Thanks in advance!",2019-05-03 13:29:52 +Vacvimes cause Autism: YOU NEED TO READ!,0,bigdzp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bigdzp/vacvimes_cause_autism_you_need_to_read/,25,1556516177.0,"Everyone on this sub that's not here for a joke are retarded. Like, sorry that I had to say it, but how dumb do you have to be to not want your child to live? Are you actually that intellectually challenged? Your child needs to suffer due to you having some problem with a medical shot that is known to prevent disease. Well,survival of the god damn fittest, when my kid is eating the food your kid could've eaten if they were in a family that relies on facts and evidence instead of phony ""studies"", I'll be laughing my ass off.",2019-04-29 08:36:17 +Wait Wakefield said what?,0,bh5d1p,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bh5d1p/wait_wakefield_said_what/,32,1556202412.0,"Can't wait to see your disqualificarion of this truth on all the usual websites. + +If vaccines are so safe and effective why does the industry need to tell lies? The local news just advertised 1 in 4 measles patients needs to be hospitalized... + +According to + +https://www.autism-watch.org/news/lancet.shtml + +In 2004, ten of the study's authors issued a ""retraction"" which stated: ""We wish to make it clear that in this paper no causal link was established between MMR vaccine and autism as the data were insufficient."" + +So just how different is that from the studies conclusion? See for yourself - + +""We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described. Virological studies are underway that may help to resolve this issue. + +If there is a causal link between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and this syndrome, a rising incidence might be anticipated after the introduction of this vaccine in the UK in 1988... + + +....We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine."" + +Isn't the 2004 ""retraction"" Saying the same thing as the study? Nothing was proved. + +The study was published in 1998.. It was retracted a very long time later. Why did it take so long? + +Some of the claims of fraudulent activities aim at Dr. Wakefield's payment to be a witness or a supposed link to an application for a vaccine patent. +Have you seen how much money Dr Offit and Plotkin make from all the vaccines. They have the patent on the R in MMR yet they are often called as witness against Dr Wakefield or give expert witness for a news report. +These two are part of the vaccine club, they are luteal millionaires as a result of vaccines and if Dr Wakefield's credibility is questioned over a 55 thousand pound payment and possible vaccine patent how much more should these other two be muted.",2019-04-25 17:26:52 +"I'm sorry, just gotta say this",10,bdxm3p,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bdxm3p/im_sorry_just_gotta_say_this/,5,1555469348.0,"Sorry, promise I'm not attention seeking when I say some of this, it is relevant... + +I was in a horrendous RTA 3 years ago, in which I sustained a fractured skull, bruised lung, lacerated scalp and two brain injuries. As a result I was in an induced coma for two weeks and only started being minimally aware after 5 months, in hospital for 13. + +I only started learning of the anti-vaxx movement 6 months ago. And I just don't quite understand... + +How are people THAT stupid? To think that vaccines are, in essence, ""BAD?"" I don't even care what retaliation I get from anti-vaxxers. They can say anything they want if they are really that idiotic!",2019-04-17 05:49:08 +Myth: 1 in 1000 measles cases are fatal,7,b8jhk7,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b8jhk7/myth_1_in_1000_measles_cases_are_fatal/,32,1554241895.0,"The 1 in 1000 fatality rate from measles is a known calculation error by the CDC. + +It's actually closer to 1 in 10,000 or 0.01% of cases. + +To put it in perspective, 1 in 10,000 is the same probability of getting struck by lightning in your lifetime. (Howstuffworks.com) + +Proof: https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/critical-calculation-error-in-background-information-for-hearing-on-vaccines-save-lives-what-is-driving-preventable-disease-outbreaks-on-march-5-2019/ + +Prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963, “there were an estimated 3 to 4 million people infected with measles in the United States, and as many as 500 related deaths each year,” which is correct. However, this computes to a number of deaths which, at most, is one in 6,000 (3,000,000 divided by 500). More precisely, between 1959 and 1962, about 400 measles deaths occurred among about 4,000,000 measles cases, which results in a one in 10,000 (0.01%) chance of a child dying from measles, not one in 500 or one in 1,000. By comparison, over 23,000 infant deaths occur every year in the U.S. and thus the chance of a child dying in his or her first year of life is currently one in 170 (0.6%)—this is 60 times the risk of a child dying from measles in 1962, a time period when almost every child had measles by age 15. + +The reason this calculation error unfortunately commonly occurs is because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publishes case-fatality rates based on the number of reported cases only. And, since it is estimated that nearly 90% of measles cases are benign and therefore not reported to the CDC, the widely publicized measles case-fatality rate is a 10-fold miscalculation. Such an error has grave public health consequences. + +1 in 10,000 lightning strike odds: +https://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/death-dying/odds-of-death.htm + +",2019-04-03 00:51:35 +"Myth- ""There is no thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines.""",2,b3twz4,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b3twz4/myth_there_is_no_thimerosal_mercury_in_vaccines/,166,1553220838.0,"and yet... +https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm + +""Flu vaccines in multi-dose vials contain thimerosal to safeguard against contamination of the vial. Most single-dose vials and pre-filled syringes of flu shot and the nasal spray flu vaccine do not contain a preservative because they are intended to be used once.""",2019-03-22 04:13:58 +Mandatory Vaccinations,0,azmxh6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/azmxh6/mandatory_vaccinations/,39,1552294913.0,"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) strongly opposes federal interference in medical decisions, including mandated vaccines. + +IwAR14tPRiZV1l6KSINFXguIacuJBr68XytbAnxGDNYhGw1q_jjiCkCH_QLBQ",2019-03-11 11:01:53 +Herd Immunity is it really achievable?,1,azlm88,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/azlm88/herd_immunity_is_it_really_achievable/,17,1552287102.0," +In 1933, Dr. Arthur W. Hedrich, a health officer in Chicago, IL observed that during 1900-1930, outbreaks of measles in Boston, MA appeared to be suppressed when 68% of the children contracted the virus.3 Subsequently in the 1930s, Dr. Hedrich observed that after 55% of the child population of Baltimore, MD acquired measles, the rest of the population appeared to be protected. It was that observation that formed the basis for mass vaccination campaigns.4 + +When the mass vaccination campaign for measles in the U.S. began in earnest in the mid-1960s, the U.S. Public Health Service planned to vaccinate over 55% (based on the Baltimore observation) of the U.S. population, and it announced that it fully expected to eradicate measles by 1967. When that didn’t happen, the Public Health Service came up with vaccination rate figures of 70-75% as the way to ensure herd immunity. When eradication was still not achieved at those rates, public health officials jacked up the rates to 80%, 83%, 85%, and ultimately to 90%. + +The process by which the decisions to raise the rates is unclear. Was it based on some scientific methodology or assumptions? Or were the decisions simply made because officials felt pressure to fulfill their promises to fully eradicate measles? Did they ever consider pausing and re-evaluating the original premise behind the theory of herd immunity? Or did they trudge on, arbitrarily raising the bar? + +Now the rate is up to 95% to achieve herd immunity. But as we see with the continual outbreaks, even at 95% we still do not have full immunity. In China, the vaccination rates are even higher—99%. But there are also still measles outbreaks there.  So is the answer 100%? And what if at 100% you still get outbreaks? We’ve gone from herd immunity supposedly achieved at 55% to herd immunity that is clearly not achieved even at 95%. At what point will public health officials have to confront the possibility that herd immunity may not be the best theory on which to base vaccination policy? + +3 - Hedrich AW. Estimates of the child population susceptible to measles, 1900-1930. Am. J. Hyg. 17:613-630. + +4 - Oxford Journals. Monthly Estimates of the Child Population “Susceptible” to Measles, 1900-1931. Baltimore, MD. Am. J. Epidemiol.17(3):613-636. + +5 - Ji S. Why Is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?. GreenMedInfo.com Sept. 20, 2014 +",2019-03-11 08:51:42 +Help Debunking this?,2,axguvs,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/axguvs/help_debunking_this/,5,1551788415.0,"So I posted something in the comments of a news article trying to explain how babies are exposed to way more antigens daily than are in the entire childhood vaccine schedule and that our immune systems respond to vaccines the same way and some anti-vax mom commented saying +“Actually, no. The immune system doesn't respond the same way. There is T1/T2 skew and T1/T17 skew as well as humoral vs cellular immunity to consider based upon the immune system's first contact with the pathogen.” +I’m not quite sure what she’s talking about or how to respond with facts. I prefer to try to educate rather than just go “you’re wrong” even though I know psychologically it probably won’t change anyone’s mind. I did find this link talking about vaccines: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3238379/ +Still I don’t know how to respond when I have no idea what she’s talking about ",2019-03-05 14:20:15 +Why?,7,atpl34,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/atpl34/why/,9,1550913963.0,"So my 2 month old niece has been in the hospital for over a week with whooping cough. She obviously hasn't gotten vaccinated but the only people she has been around have been, everyone and she hadn't been out her home since she left the hospital after being born. So if everyone around her got the vaccine why did she get it?",2019-02-23 11:26:03 +"Dear Anti Vaccination movement,",20,at83m8,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/at83m8/dear_anti_vaccination_movement/,74,1550810203.0,"First of all, to not give your child vaccinations is completely illegal. Secondly, the fact that vaccines cause things like autism is bull crap. Autism is a condition that happens at birth. While the exact cause of autism is unknown, there is no scientific evidence that states vaccinations cause autism. Lastly, vaccinations contain very weak forms of the virus the vaccination protects you against. Your body produces white blood cells to fight against these forms and produces the right antibodies for it. So if it ever got back into your body, you have the antibodies ready. +Sincerely, +MY816 + +Edit: Jesus I made this to make a point. Not to start fucking world war 3 in the comments",2019-02-22 06:36:43 +Do not give a platform for anti-vaxxers to propagate.,34,apmakx,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/apmakx/do_not_give_a_platform_for_antivaxxers_to/,5,1549955048.0,"I am of the mind to report social media groups that identify as anti-vaxxers as dangerous and miss-leading. + +Whether it’s a YouTube video or a Facebook Page, etc. + +My thinking is that such groups simply become more and more influential through confirmation bias and thus promote more people towards dangerous actions. + +When you visit these groups the degree of critical thinking and criticism drops because every statement no matter how ridiculous reinforces the same misleading theme that vaccines are bad. + +So now the claims are not just vaccines cause autism, it’s vaccines cause cancer, diabetes, Down syndrome, depression, genetic mutations, and so forth. + +And yes I have read all these ridiculous claims made by anti-vaxxers. + +The evolving implied insanity is becoming that vaccines cause disease! + +My thought is that these anti-vaxxers do not deserve a social media platform to further nurture their growing ignorance. + +I encourage everyone to report all anti-vaxxers social media groups as ‘misleading’ and ‘potentials dangerous.’ + +Because there actions affect us, not just them!",2019-02-12 09:04:08 +My podcast will be discussing vaccinations and I need your help!,7,ali5am,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ali5am/my_podcast_will_be_discussing_vaccinations_and_i/,5,1548914830.0,"Hey all, on my podcast we will be discussing vaccinations on an upcoming episode and I will be helming the pro vaccination discussion. I don’t want to come across brash by just taking the stance of ‘you’re a moron if you don’t get your kids vaccinated’ rather I would like to have plenty of facts and information to back myself up. So if you have any of that, please feel free to link whatever you’d like. ",2019-01-31 08:07:10 +My podcast will be discussing vaccinations and I need your help,5,ali10a,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ali10a/my_podcast_will_be_discussing_vaccinations_and_i/,0,1548914183.0,"Hey all, on my podcast we will be discussing vaccinations on an upcoming episode and I will be helming the pro vaccination discussion. I don’t want to come across brash by just taking the stance of ‘you’re a moron if you don’t get your kids vaccinated’ rather I would like to have plenty of facts and information to back myself up. So if you have any of that, please feel free to link whatever you’d like. ",2019-01-31 07:56:23 +Vaccine Survey,0,ak5ziq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ak5ziq/vaccine_survey/,5,1548571329.0,"Hi guys! I was wondering if you could help me out with my research project! It would really help me out if you could take the time to fill it out. + +Here's the link: + +[https://goo.gl/forms/p8m8y3rZjOOuxWnE3](https://goo.gl/forms/p8m8y3rZjOOuxWnE3)",2019-01-27 08:42:09 +....,2,ajb0d6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ajb0d6/_/,2,1548353310.0,"Vaccinate your kid guys. No more of this. ....no more,",2019-01-24 20:08:30 +Vax,1,aj95zn,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/aj95zn/vax/,34,1548336132.0,So if your telling me that vaccines are bad then why does the government still say we should get them why do some schools require them why would they lie there is no point. The thing is they don’t like they are good vaccines are deeply tested and researched and it Can take some times 15 years for the vaccinations to reach the public. So if they hurt then your telling me all that research and testing was wrong and your stupid essential oils is right. Just one more question would you rather have you kid die of polio or have autism ,2019-01-24 15:22:12 +5 Products you should Have Before you get your Next Vaccine,2,afvif8,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/afvif8/5_products_you_should_have_before_you_get_your/,12,1547499076.0,"Vaccine products are a contentious topic in our current society, with everyone having a steadfast opinion on whether they are for it or against it. + +While neither are side will budge on their stance, it makes it all the more difficult for an average person to get an unbiased and helpful outlook towards vaccine products when they are on the fence on whether to get vaccinated, whether it’s for themselves or their children. + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/xr7rfn0zxda21.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=64f980a97449d402f8f0d9b2d63bfab18dc93044 + +Many schools, as well as countries, are making it compulsory that individuals receive Vaccine products at regular intervals for protection against various miscellaneous diseases and infections. Many people, however, are still apprehensive about vaccination. + +Before you allow your doctor to inject a concoction of chemicals into their body their bloodstreams you [should be aware of the pros and cons of the vaccine otherwise](https://www.seekandread.com/advantages-disadvantages-vaccinations/) vaccines can be very frightening. + +They don’t wish to opt for vaccination without receiving ample information about what these chemicals constitute and whether or not they can have harmful side effects. + +## What is a Vaccine? + +Read more: [https://www.seekandread.com/5-products-you-should-have-before-you-get-your-next-vaccine/](https://www.seekandread.com/5-products-you-should-have-before-you-get-your-next-vaccine/)",2019-01-14 22:51:16 +Why do vaccines contain Mercury and nickel ?,6,aeh78h,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/aeh78h/why_do_vaccines_contain_mercury_and_nickel/,30,1547138314.0,,2019-01-10 18:38:34 +Wasn't vaccinated as a child,19,ac21o2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ac21o2/wasnt_vaccinated_as_a_child/,24,1546519304.0,"My mom is EXTREMELY anti-vax, and swears that she will never let me get any as long as she lives. Whenever I bring up the topic she will cherry pick articles from the internet showing that vaccines cause autism and brain damage. I can’t reason with her because she believes everything pro-vaccine is from the government and pharmaceutical companies. Unfortunately, I get the flu every year and got chicken pox last year. I would definitely like to stay on the safe and get at least some vaccinations, what should I do? I am 15, can I legally get vaccines without parental consent? + + +",2019-01-03 14:41:44 +"If the evidence isn't on your side, submit a blog to one of HenryCorp's 300 subs that are used to spam anti-vaxx ideology and ban users/scientists/physicians from disagreeing.",5,aalfnu,https://np.reddit.com/r/bioscience/comments/a9ze74/this_industry_document_a_1271page_confidential/,1,1546121010.0,,2018-12-30 00:03:30 +"I need help. I have someone, anti-vaxxer, I’m debating with bringing up Epi Studies as a clear link between autism and vaccinations.... what are they talking about? Does anybody here have the debunk for these Epi Study arguments? Cheers!",5,a1mg80,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/a1mg80/i_need_help_i_have_someone_antivaxxer_im_debating/,20,1543561106.0,,2018-11-30 08:58:26 +Oh no! I got vaccinated!,27,9z5wxf,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/9z5wxf/oh_no_i_got_vaccinated/,6,1542854102.0," + + +And I'm completely fine, do some research lol.",2018-11-22 04:35:02 +Please check out my blog exposing the myths behind vaccines,10,95r3jk,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/95r3jk/please_check_out_my_blog_exposing_the_myths/,3,1533798724.0,"Made for the lay public. [https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/](https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/) + +Discusses vaccines and other topics. + +Great if you love sarcasm. And please share if you love it (or even if you hate it).",2018-08-09 10:12:04 +Can we please spill the tea on vaccines?,4,95i6p1,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/95i6p1/can_we_please_spill_the_tea_on_vaccines/,0,1533724922.0,This article says it all! [https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/](https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/),2018-08-08 13:42:02 +Please sign my petition to give Wakefield the measles,12,91716y,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/91716y/please_sign_my_petition_to_give_wakefield_the/,4,1532381100.0,"We aren't literally giving him measles just letting him know we don't like him or his ideas. I'd appreciate it if you could help me get this going! Thanks. + + +https://www.change.org/p/media-vaxxed-com-give-andrew-wakefield-the-measles?recruiter=248828706&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition",2018-07-24 00:25:00 +Relationship status: vaccinated,11,8mtt5c,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/8mtt5c/relationship_status_vaccinated/,2,1527573940.0,"I am +⚪️ single +⚪️ taken +🔘 vaccinated ",2018-05-29 09:05:40 +How does an unvaccinated child present a risk to a vaccinated child? I doubt I'll get a reasoned response. Edit: Herd Immunity has nothing to do with my question.,0,8migoi,https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8mh669/how_fake_science_is_costing_lives_the_malign_rise/dznpdm4/,49,1527463784.0,,2018-05-28 02:29:44 +‘Police State’ Registry System Being Set Up to Track Your Vaccination Status,4,7y6qy9,https://www.march-against-monsanto.com/police-state-registry-system-being-set-up-to-track-your-vaccination-status/,2,1518904533.0,,2018-02-17 23:55:33 +"Uh, what?!? From an anti-vax millennial on my newsfeed...",19,7gb4ep,https://i.redd.it/1g7m6rrxvu001.jpg,3,1511964621.0,,2017-11-29 16:10:21 +No. Big pharma has more than one employee. It takes more than one person to create a plan. To take over subs which compete with big pharma. To remove posts or make the sub private.,7,70xy6r,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/70rs2t/at_least_five_holistic_health_subs_have_been/dn6j3rz/,2,1505796962.0,,2017-09-19 07:56:02 +"March Against Monsanto Showing Their True, Scientifically Ignorant Colors",21,6yqeqj,https://i.redd.it/57d76rpr7jkz.jpg,11,1504849808.0,,2017-09-08 08:50:08 +Damn hipsters!,15,6xbx2v,https://i.redd.it/il8orjb8v6jz.jpg,0,1504264401.0,,2017-09-01 14:13:21 +The corrupt industry goes to great lengths to accurately recount all of the proof vaccines are harmful.,5,6x6okx,https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/6x04kh/iama_professor_of_microbiology_at_boston/dmcyxs8/,15,1504213034.0,,2017-08-31 23:57:14 +The vast majority have stood up to peer review and haven't been redacted like Wakefield's. Maybe the science isn't as settled as you're lead to believe?,4,6t4eg8,https://np.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/6kv6uu/you_cant_pick_and_choose_which_science_you/djqtpca/,2,1502516636.0,,2017-08-12 08:43:56 +And the Gish is Galloping!!,8,6ob6w6,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6o1ggy/vaccine_shills_challenge_refute_all_this/,1,1500524247.0,,2017-07-20 07:17:27 +Bigger Pharma,7,6k4oml,http://sizzle.af/i/8792309,1,1498723410.0,,2017-06-29 11:03:30 +Autism Symptoms in Pets Rise as Pet Vaccination Rates Rise,1,64jdcb,http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2017/04/autism-symptoms-in-pets-rise-as-pet-vaccination-rates-rise/,1,1491857382.0,,2017-04-10 23:49:42 +Vegan mother forced by High Court to vaccinate her children,11,642mfl,http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vegan-mother-vaccinate-children-high-court-toxin-free-kids-mmr-anti-vaxxer-a7670881.html,2,1491622638.0,,2017-04-08 06:37:18 +"The Truth About Vaccines. FREE Online Program, from April 12 to 18 (USA)",0,63uef6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/63uef6/the_truth_about_vaccines_free_online_program_from/,8,1491528344.0,"Did you know that actors like ""Robert Deniro"" or ""Jim Carrey"" are demanding an investigation about vaccines and the autism epidemic in the USA? + +The Untold Story About Vaccines... especially if you have kids or grand kids under the age of 5. Would Doctors still continue vaccinating babies if they knew this data? + +More than 60 doctors, scientists, and researchers join together to give you the complete information no one is telling you about vaccines. Question like: Do vaccines cause autism or brain damage? Are so many vaccines necessary? What are the benefits and risks? + +This is the great health “controversy” of the 21st century and every single mother, expectant parent, physician, nurse, medical researcher, representative of the media, elected official, school administrator and concerned citizen should watch and share this Free Online Event. + +http://www.primal.es/vaccines.html +",2017-04-07 04:25:44 +World Health Organization (WHO) identifies websites with reliable information on vaccine safety at vaccinesafetynet.org.,5,5zl34q,http://www.vaccinesafetynet.org,1,1489630659.0,,2017-03-16 04:17:39 +"[+17] There are numerous instances of the wrong flu strains being targeted. Indeed, it's more common than not.",3,5v16ev,https://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/5usq5w/cmv_vaccination_should_be_mandatory/ddwnnei/,7,1487575816.0,,2017-02-20 09:30:16 +"Has anyone got any critique of this PDF by Jeff Prager ""The history of the global vaccination program in 1000 peer reviewed reports and studies""",2,5ttjf2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/5ttjf2/has_anyone_got_any_critique_of_this_pdf_by_jeff/,3,1487029472.0,"Currently having a conversation on facebook with a woman who is a total antivaxer. +Her friend has just dropped this PDF on me with its supposed 1000 peer reviewed papers proving the autism link. + +Googling isnt bringing much up about the legitimacy of it and because its facebook I dont want to invest too much time reading 1000 pages, Which I suspect is her way of shutting me down. + +Has anyone seen this before? + +http://vaccine-injury.info/pdf/vaccinepeerreview.pdf +",2017-02-14 01:44:32 +Fake News: Trump DID NOT Sign Executive Order Banning Childhood Vaccinations | Lead Stories,5,5sls78,http://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3150308-fake-news-trump-did-not-sign-executive-order-banning-childhood-vaccinations.html,0,1486507817.0,,2017-02-08 00:50:17 +War on Vaccines,6,5shgcb,https://sciencemom.net/2017/02/05/vaccine-preventable-diseases-on-the-rise-because-of-anti-vaxxers/,4,1486449171.0,,2017-02-07 08:32:51 +Vaxxed movie being pulled is proof Big Pharma is not willing to engage in unethical double-blind studies with vaccines.,9,5qqcr8,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qio5r/vaxxed_pulled_from_private_screening_at_uk_cinema/,1,1485671479.0,,2017-01-29 08:31:19 +Bill Gates is funding a new initiative... and the antivaxxers come out of the woodwork in the comment section.,5,5p4pt4,https://www.facebook.com/nytimes/videos/10151052642379999/,1,1484957133.0,,2017-01-21 02:05:33 +A NAP Case for Childhood Mandatory Vaccination,2,5ou9o9,http://www.lnnpolitics.com/single-post/2017/01/17/A-NAP-Case-for-Childhood-Mandatory-Vaccination,0,1484825473.0,,2017-01-19 13:31:13 +Vaccine Critic Kennedy Set to Chair Trump Panel on Vaccination Safety,6,5ncq53,https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-critic-kennedy-set-to-chair-trump-panel-on-vaccination-safety/,1,1484176946.0,,2017-01-12 01:22:26 +TIL that tetanus is not dangerous because it's only found in animal excrement...,6,5evh45,https://np.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/5eum1i/ysk_that_in_the_us_you_can_get_a_tetanus_shot/dafc55r,1,1480132974.0,,2016-11-26 06:02:54 +Flu shots aren't really true vaccines... I trust my immune system for now.,5,5bcar1,https://np.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/5ba202/good_job_antivaxxers_you_did_it/d9n2rms/,1,1478410488.0,,2016-11-06 07:34:48 +This is very sad. Everybody knows that vaccines are dangerous. These nurses are heroes.,3,58kz8q,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/58ja9q/australian_nurses_who_spread_antivaccination/d915omb/,1,1477046195.0,,2016-10-21 13:36:35 +New apparent anti-vaccine strategy: What study? Ignore all information. It will disappear like magic.,9,561f0e,https://i.reddituploads.com/8c19e52f461241c3a03a586ca062d390?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=35b488e39a00787e04b4f69ad5288fb4,3,1475725861.0,,2016-10-06 06:51:01 +This is not fear-mongering,4,53rob0,http://np.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/53rn4w/colony_collapse_disorder_igfarb_descendants_and/,4,1474463988.0,,2016-09-21 16:19:48 +What are the anti-vax arguments regarding older children / teens?,5,51isrw,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/51isrw/what_are_the_antivax_arguments_regarding_older/,0,1473241412.0,"My ex-wife is a strident anti-vaxxer, while I am pro-vaccination. Our children, aged 10 and 12, are not vaccinated. + +I’m trying to get info from anti-vaxxers in order to prepare myself for an upcoming discussion/argument about whether or not to vaccinate our children as mandated by the state so that they can enroll in school. (as opposed to having her home-school them, or having her make good on her threats to move to another state with the kids if the current law is not repealed). + +My main question: the majority of anti-vaccine arguments I've read revolve around increased risks for infant autism, and around adverse reactions in children under 3 years old. I would like to know what are the main reasons put forth by the anti-vax community regarding keeping older children from getting vaccinated?",2016-09-07 12:43:32 +I explained (with sources) that death/disability following vaccination was literally one-in-a-million,15,4zzueh,http://imgur.com/N6yS8mW,6,1472426998.0,,2016-08-29 02:29:58 +"The $150,000 Vaccine Challenge « Science-Based Medicine",4,4y5l1m,https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-150000-vaccine-challenge/,1,1471469576.0,,2016-08-18 00:32:56 +Hillary earns our recommendation for President,13,4ubmff,https://i.redd.it/0c7gcd1jy3bx.jpg,3,1469361400.0,,2016-07-24 14:56:40 +"Yeah, no vaccines dont work do your research. At best they put you at risk for health problems.",4,4r1j6f,http://np.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/4r0avz/can_we_make_an_effort_to_eliminate_pseudoscience/d4xdyo8,2,1467570591.0,,2016-07-03 21:29:51 +"vaccines not only do not work but they are also lethal, but yeah okay.",7,4r1j2x,http://np.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/4r0avz/can_we_make_an_effort_to_eliminate_pseudoscience/d4xba7p,0,1467570523.0,,2016-07-03 21:28:43 +"Mother is forcing me to go see ""VAXXED"" in theaters. What do I need to know?",14,4nir8v,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/4nir8v/mother_is_forcing_me_to_go_see_vaxxed_in_theaters/,9,1465625743.0,"My mother is adamantly an anti-vaxxer and I've been in many discussions , most heated, about vaccines. I've learned not to challenge her on it because it's gotten me nowhere but she views my beliefs as a personal attack on her directly. She runs a supplements company and has traveled the world teaching about the dangers of vaccines and how it caused my youngest brother to get autism. It's actually the entire basis of why she's a Trump supporter because of his stance on the issue, but that's another issue entirely. + + I know the basis of the argument for vaccines (herd-immunity, diseases are worse etc) but our discussions always boil down to sources and generally what or who to believe. She has the assumption that all CDC sympathetic media or articles are in the pockets of big pharma so they can make all their profits through vaccines. I anticipate this being the crux of the argument following this movie. I don't believe I will break through to her but I do hope to get a better understanding of the issue before I go into 2 hours of full propaganda, then to be bombarded with questions. + +Here's a link of a bunch of articles she views as ""proof"" of what she believes: + +http://vaccinepapers.org/ + + I've gone through most of it and don't really know what to make of them. There's a lot of prefacing for the studies that are mentioned but like I said, I'm no expert. What do some of you make of these links and/or what valuable information can you give me before going to see ""VAXXED""? + +Edit: So I went to see the movie and most of it isn't about what you think. Rather it's about the CDC coverup of the study that showed correlation between autism and the MMR. It's actually really compelling on that front and I urge those of you to go and watch it for yourselves and then come back to discuss what you saw. Don't just take my word for it.",2016-06-11 09:15:43 +‘Vaxxed’: Anti-Vaccination Film Pulled From Tribeca Film Festival,12,4gw6ip,http://deadline.com/2016/03/robert-de-niro-vaxxed-tribeca-film-festival-statement-1201726799/,0,1461907214.0,,2016-04-29 08:20:14 +I Need to Detox Because I Held a Vaccinated Baby,16,49401t,http://imgur.com/a/4pmKO,8,1457237956.0,,2016-03-06 06:19:16 +Mother Beats Cancer With JUICING After Told She Only Had Two Weeks To Live... HOLY SHITOLY BATMAN! WE HAVE A BULLSHIT ALTERT,8,48zag9,http://worldtruth.tv/mother-beats-cancer-with-juicing-after-told-she-only-had-two-weeks-to-live/,1,1457154059.0,,2016-03-05 07:00:59 +What the everloving fuck is this shit,10,48d8ze,https://truthkings.com/is-stephen-hawking-a-vaccine-injury/,1,1456817341.0,,2016-03-01 09:29:01 +Scratch my nose,24,44mmhs,http://i.imgur.com/egkCws6.png,0,1454896056.0,,2016-02-08 03:47:36 +The Zika Virus isn't the problem- it's the vaccine (obviously),6,43owpw,https://www.facebook.com/IFLPsuedoSci/posts/947925065293182,0,1454369234.0,,2016-02-02 01:27:14 +"Joseph Mercola on vaccinations - ""If you have a healthy lifestyle, exposure to nearly all of these infectious agents will ultimately make you healthy and stronger""",3,40a305,http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/01/18/history-vaccination.aspx,2,1452433354.0,,2016-01-10 15:42:34 +"fwiw, i'm 90% sure vaccines killed my niece and nephew. turned them into vegetables, never learned to walk or talk or even eat without a feeding tube. they each died about 6 years later. yeah.",10,3z9e5h,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3z704k/how_to_turn_a_corporate_lie_into_a_science_fact/cyk0z2e,2,1451845862.0,,2016-01-03 20:31:02 +Bill Gates kills people via vaccinations and GMO mosquitoes [x-post /r/GMOMyths],6,3yw4o3,https://np.reddit.com/r/ChristiansAwake2NWO/comments/3yh5vj/bill_gates_kills_people_via_vaccinations_and_gmo/,7,1451579679.0,,2015-12-31 18:34:39 +TIL: There are people who equate pediatric facilities which only treat vaccinated children with Jim Crow laws. I wish I hadn't.,14,3vegy9,http://imgur.com/t61iD2V,4,1449253982.0,,2015-12-04 20:33:02 +Anyone who vaccinates their children is gambling with their future and is a piece of shit.,12,3shzzk,http://np.reddit.com/r/european/comments/3s6bfn/as_vaccines_are_used_up_by_migrants_german/cwv66vb,3,1447332043.0,,2015-11-12 14:40:43 +Supreme Court lets NY state’s school vaccination requirement stand,12,3nmnb5,http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20151005/supreme-court-lets-ny-states-school-vaccination-requirement-stand,0,1444110956.0,,2015-10-06 08:55:56 +Researchers profile 4 types of non-vaccinators (resourse),5,3n3zcu,http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-10/sp-rpf092915.php,0,1443741019.0,,2015-10-02 02:10:19 +Behold this Shitstorm,11,3lgwse,http://np.reddit.com/r/Chattanooga/comments/3l1vll/looking_for_antivax_okay_daycare/?,0,1442632761.0,,2015-09-19 06:19:21 +"Girl dies from Benadryl overdose. Obviously, it means the HPV vaccine is at fault.",16,3h0j8y,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3gybuy/girl_with_sore_throat_gets_hpv_vaccine_dies_hours/,1,1439610067.0,,2015-08-15 06:41:07 +Iraq War Vet Copy Pasta,3,3gvmhv,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/3gs9zu/i_always_share_this_with_antigmomonsanto_people/cu1a9q4,0,1439518812.0,,2015-08-14 05:20:12 +"""And you leave thousands of people dead and disabled from vaccines, not worth hit! Vaccines make us profitable to the pharmaceuticals i.e. they make us sick with autoimmune diseases, so as we are then dependent on expensive drugs to treat our symptoms. That's the true reason they are pushed""",7,3gu8ox,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3gpuas/california_to_throw_adults_in_jail_if_they_refuse/,7,1439495428.0,,2015-08-13 22:50:28 +"Yea, I just don't believe that vaccines should be forced upon anyone. I feel that everyone should always have a choice. If I think about someone who doesn't really want it all, and then to force an injection on them, seems really cruel to me.",8,3glbfu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/offmychest/comments/3gk56y/i_get_paid_to_chat_on_reddit/ctz06bn,9,1439329505.0,,2015-08-12 00:45:05 +"""There is HIV in vaccines. Proof: NaturalNews""",16,3gk2kb,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3gjd73/this_is_the_mmr_vaccine_insert_given_to_doctors/ctyt3de,0,1439298291.0,,2015-08-11 16:04:51 +"Fluoride, Vaccines, and the wrath of Ra all in /r/conspiracy",7,3fe19n,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3fc7lb/leaked_pentagon_video_shows_vaccine_designed_to/ctng5be,3,1438446424.0,,2015-08-01 19:27:04 +The most disgusting anti-vaxxer I've probably encountered to date.,17,3c4zaa,http://imgur.com/gallery/F1qgmrU,1,1436072474.0,,2015-07-05 08:01:14 +"No matter what side of the debate you are on, is anyone else bothered by the language being used over the current mandatory vaccination controversy?",0,3bw90w,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/3bw90w/no_matter_what_side_of_the_debate_you_are_on_is/,3,1435888003.0,"The fact that human society is continually being referred to in the media as a ""herd,"" as though we were just a bunch of animals, is, at the base level, ominous.",2015-07-03 04:46:43 +"I have an autistic child. Don't know what caused it, but you saying that if indeed vaccines do cause it, it is an exceptable risk... Makes me want to kick you right in your filthy cunt.",3,3bedxo,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3bcvcm/publisher_of_controversial_autism_research_dr/csl9kox,3,1435526018.0,,2015-06-29 00:13:38 +"The annals of “I’m not antivaccine,” part 18: Dr. Bob goes full Godwin over SB 277",3,3a6xxy,http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/06/17/the-annals-of-im-not-antivaccine-part-18-dr-bob-goes-full-godwin-over-sb-277/#.VYG9h88PA1c.reddit,1,1434594863.0,,2015-06-18 05:34:23 +Cervical cancer vaccine 'Gardasil' being deemed the largest scam in medical history,7,355iuq,http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/,3,1431013393.0,,2015-05-07 18:43:13 +I Got 99 Problems But A Brain Ain't One,3,34lqmx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/34lgwh/the_vaccine_song_say_no_to_the_vaccine_by_trillion/,1,1430580866.0,,2015-05-02 18:34:26 +Jenny McCarthy in a Nutshell,3,32zf46,https://youtu.be/MNwsj6wbxZM,2,1429346130.0,,2015-04-18 11:35:30 +Vote delayed on California bill seeking to toughen vaccine mandate,10,32rj6h,http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-senate-panel-toughen-mandate-vaccinating-children-20150415-story.html,2,1429183056.0,,2015-04-16 14:17:36 +"Gardasil ""Removed"" from Japanese market (even though it wasn't ""removed"" at all)",7,32oo5h,http://www.tokyotimes.com/side-effects-in-young-girls-take-gardasil-out-from-japanese-market/,2,1429135227.0,,2015-04-16 01:00:27 +How Anti-Vaxxers Sound to Normal People,17,32i5bl,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hCLWtEHL8,1,1428998340.0,,2015-04-14 10:59:00 +"""Mom asks CDC some questions..."" A sophomoric attempt to be a hero by a vaccine denier: an analysis",2,31dtwr,http://imgur.com/9WlxXXC,4,1428145498.0,,2015-04-04 14:04:58 +"Naturalpath ""Dr"" Glidden tries desperately to discredit vaccines. Uses a lot of pseudo-science and shameless promotes his own profits in trying to do so. [x-post from /r/truthaboutvaccines]",9,30poea,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/30hz38/dr_peter_glidden_destroys_the_myths_surrounding/,4,1427676927.0,,2015-03-30 03:55:27 +"So, how is the vaccinated kid going to die from a disease the unvaccinated kid has? And if two unvaccinated kids have a disease and one dies, how can you prove original carrier? Shedding and symptoms may not be concurrent.",5,30h0xq,https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2tkxnp/would_you_support_a_law_holding_antivax_parents/co02mqq?context=3,1,1427473893.0,,2015-03-27 18:31:33 +RFK JR going derp,5,2zdcf7,http://www.twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/531912864555347968,2,1426641718.0,,2015-03-18 03:21:58 +Italian Court Reignites MMR Vaccine Debate After Award Over Child with Autism,4,2y6x0o,http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/25/mmr-vaccine-caused-autism.aspx,2,1425715774.0,,2015-03-07 10:09:34 +"In my case I have investigated vaccine technology and found it to be a crime against humanity in how they are currently used. Certainly they are one of the principal causes of autism, and are undoubtedly linked to a host of other emerging disorders.",4,2y3ts4,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2xoakb/jimmy_kimmels_ignorant_vaccine_doctors_i_work_for/cp2cmxk?context=1,1,1425645693.0,,2015-03-06 14:41:33 +"This PowerPoint is my attempt at a public resource for exhaustively addressing antivax claims. This will remain a work in progress, to be updated to follow emerging popular claims. Suggestions are encouraged. Please read and share",6,2xhkll,http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/izzythedrumist-2410156-scientific-literature-vaccinations/,1,1425181081.0,,2015-03-01 05:38:01 +"I'm interested in discussing the vaccine aspect of this documentary and the arguments presented within. Note, It's only available for the next six days for free.",4,2xfg1c,http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/,20,1425123624.0,,2015-02-28 13:40:24 +"Antivax mom makes concentration camp-style badge to protest her ""persecution""",15,2wusj5,http://imgur.com/gallery/uvp7Uya/new,1,1424710415.0,,2015-02-23 18:53:35 +Lifting The Lid On The Vaccination Debate: Why We Deserve To Hear Both Sides Of The Argument,2,2wcqpb,http://www.trueactivist.com/lifting-the-lid-on-the-vaccination-debate-why-we-deserve-to-hear-both-sides-of-the-argument1/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TrueActivist+%28True+Activist%29,3,1424322197.0,,2015-02-19 07:03:17 +Basically just a bunch of bullshit talking points dreamed up by vaccine propagandists to scare you into using their products and push the public debate toward mandatory vaccination for any and every disease they think they can make a buck on.,6,2w5zbh,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2w1fif/hey_look_more_vaccine_propaganda_on_the_front/comuxot?context=2,1,1424181110.0,,2015-02-17 15:51:50 +Fake Disney Outbreak post debunked,3,2w5nhr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2w32u2/fake_disney_measles_outbreak_send_in_the_clowns/,2,1424174314.0,,2015-02-17 13:58:34 +"I'm not scared of measles, even the atypical form. I'll take my chances with measles or polio or whatever, but NOT vaccines.",2,2w3zij,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2w32u2/fake_disney_measles_outbreak_send_in_the_clowns/con6yz4,2,1424145955.0,,2015-02-17 06:05:55 +Ottawa daycare is promising a ‘vaccine-free environment’ for kids.,8,2vyg07,http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/09/ottawa-daycare-promises-vaccine-free-environment-for-kids-public-health-is-not-happy-about-it/,4,1424017161.0,,2015-02-15 18:19:21 +"From /r/conspiracy - a post linking to the package insert for the MMR vaccine, but everything is being taken way out of context - my post corrects it.",3,2vxwha,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2vv7cx/from_the_insert_of_mmr_vacine/,4,1424001583.0,,2015-02-15 13:59:43 +www.antivaxxvalentines.com,7,2vu3b1,http://40.media.tumblr.com/054404a698c9621882222ca8fc5eb4aa/tumblr_njmau3WeVV1unzj07o1_r1_1280.jpg,1,1423910232.0,,2015-02-14 12:37:12 +"More from Antivax book ""Dissolving Illusions"" review comments: ""INJECTED through a vaccine ... neurotoxins get taken up through our lymphatic system where immune cells carry them into the brain.""",5,2vscbq,http://www.amazon.com/review/R1C1ZYX11ON8TA/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&asin=1480216895&cdForum=Fx28U0CZVZDOVBB&cdMsgID=Mx33Y23CUHCSPPL&cdMsgNo=75&cdPage=8&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3IADG8MGYXGLQ&store=books#Mx33Y23CUHCSPPL,2,1423878898.0,,2015-02-14 03:54:58 +The measles virons only live outside the body for a short period of time (about two hours). Close Disney World for one day.,4,2vg5dl,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2vd2nh/one_thing_i_find_disturbing_about_vaccination/cogpy2n,5,1423625150.0,,2015-02-11 05:25:50 +Melanie's Marvelous Measles,5,2v2cke,http://www.amazon.com/Melanies-Marvelous-Measles-Stephanie-Messenger/dp/1466938897/,2,1423314227.0,,2015-02-07 15:03:47 +Measles vaccination urged amid Disneyland outbreak,7,2twflb,http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/measles-vaccinations-urged-amid-disneyland-outbreak/?WT.mc_id=SA_HLTH_20150127,1,1422430957.0,,2015-01-28 09:42:37 +The past and present rebuke antivaccinationists who claim measles is “benign”,5,2thyu1,http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/01/22/the-past-and-present-rebuke-antivaccinationists-who-claim-measles-is-benign/?utm_source=widgets,2,1422117761.0,,2015-01-24 18:42:41 +"Last Year’s Flu Vaccine Killed and Injured Over 93,000 US Citizens – Will This Year be Any Different?",2,2thk3z,http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/11/11/last-years-flu-vaccine-killed-and-injured-over-93000-us-citizens-will-this-year-be-any-different/,4,1422105611.0,,2015-01-24 15:20:11 +Vaccinations Made My Cat Autistic,16,2tfmeq,http://reductress.com/post/vaccinations-made-my-cat-autistic/,2,1422070158.0,,2015-01-24 05:29:18 +Why We Didn’t Vaccinate Our Child,11,2tcmr6,http://nightofthelivingdad.net/2014/08/13/why-we-didnt-vaccinate-our-child/,5,1422002426.0,,2015-01-23 10:40:26 +"I'm not a crazy, 43 year old mom with nothing better to do than to campaign against a lost cause. I'm 18, from the UK, and whilst Dr Wakefield is my godfather's brother, I don't feel biased towards him.",7,2t5e5b,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2t2yij/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_that_there_was_a_link/cnvg3yy,7,1421853762.0,,2015-01-21 17:22:42 +"Are courts in the business of handing out 6 and 7 figure payouts to anyone claiming damages from vaccines? Is this like one of the world's best kept secrets? Also, is the tooth fairy real?",2,2t5dxf,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2t3wd5/1_post_on_front_page_from_rtodayilearned_allows/cnvlg0s,2,1421853601.0,,2015-01-21 17:20:01 +Tim Burtons 'Batman' clearly is the proof vaccines cause autism,6,2t5dq7,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2t4r5h/doctor_behind_vaccineautism_link_loses_license/cnvp7w6,3,1421853442.0,,2015-01-21 17:17:22 +"Not sure what condition you have, but many conditions that leave you with a compromised immune system can be passed down to your kids, so it might be better to adopt even if you weren't sterile.",2,2t5ddc,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2t33vj/24_unvaccinated_students_banned_from_oc_high/cnvmmvn,1,1421853163.0,,2015-01-21 17:12:43 +"Hmmm, so if people are vaccinated then why the fear of the unVaccinated? Who cares if they spread it amongst themselves and as far as compromised immune systems are concerned should they be around kids who are cesspool of virus and diesese regardless if vaccinated or not?",2,2t5db3,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2t33vj/24_unvaccinated_students_banned_from_oc_high/cnv9hs4,1,1421853104.0,,2015-01-21 17:11:44 +Anti-Vaccine Body Count,8,2t1md2,http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html,1,1421785675.0,,2015-01-20 22:27:55 +Computer programmer gets it wrong about the Amish and vaccinations.,4,2s793i,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/2s216h/chart_heres_the_rise_in_personal_belief/cnmdqm7,2,1421123268.0,,2015-01-13 06:27:48 +University of PiktoChart: Vaccines Don't Work,6,2rqx42,https://magic.piktochart.com/output/4043568-vaccines-dont-work-here-are-th,3,1420758069.0,,2015-01-09 01:01:09 +The people who signed this petition....,4,2qui17,https://www.change.org/p/lewis-r-first-editor-in-chief-publicly-issue-a-retraction-of-the-fraudulent-2004-mmr-autism-study?share_id=IrJihwRkUn&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition,2,1419999795.0,,2014-12-31 06:23:15 +I wonder if that correlates with glyphosate too. Another more scary theory I have is that autism is caused by vaccines they use as a form of eugenics in order to produce genius children at the cost of causing a lot of autism.,6,2qegwt,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2qdj81/mit_researcher_finds_99_correlation_between_the/cn5am2a,1,1419580125.0,,2014-12-26 09:48:45 +"Antivax book ""Dissolving Illusions"" - 2 negative reviews and 88 consecutive perfect reviews.",3,2pt5ee,http://amzn.com/1480216895,4,1419042605.0,,2014-12-20 04:30:05 +Which graph do you believe? Left? Right? Both? I'm interested in discussing the credibility of these two sources and interpreting what these graphs are telling us.,5,2ow0jc,http://imgur.com/ZhfXhxt,17,1418266342.0,,2014-12-11 04:52:22 +Only Vaccinated Students Affected By Whooping Cough Outbreak In Massachusetts...,0,2osew5,http://www.naturalnews.com/047930_whooping_cough_vaccinations_exemptions.html#,19,1418185400.0,,2014-12-10 06:23:20 +"There have been more than 200 cases of polio in Pakistan since January. ""Many people here think the polio vaccination campaign is a western conspiracy to sterilise their children - it's an idea the Taliban have been putting about for 10 years now.""",10,2nkr5i,http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30133279,4,1417123208.0,,2014-11-27 23:20:08 +"Why I chose to delay vaccines with my first, and why I won't do that again",6,2nf9kj,http://wildhomestead.org/2014/11/25/why-i-chose-to-delay-vaccines-with-my-first-and-why-i-wont-do-that-again/,2,1416987105.0,,2014-11-26 09:31:45 +"Mercola is a hero, he dares to fight TPTB, it's surprising he hasn't been assassinated yet. He's an individual who truly cares about health",1,2mub28,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2msro8/monsantos_roundup_and_glyphosate_toxicity/cm7gtp8,2,1416482904.0,,2014-11-20 13:28:24 +it's now been admitted by a CDC whistleblower that they've been covering up the data which shows vaccines are causing Autism. Mercola recommends products which are far safer and more likely to be effective than anything that comes out of Big Pharma.,8,2mu29k,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2msro8/monsantos_roundup_and_glyphosate_toxicity/cm7hbkn,6,1416478200.0,,2014-11-20 12:10:00 +"The concept of herd immunity (protection for the population) is often used by vaccine addicts as a way to push guilt at people who don’t line up, with their children, like robots for their shots.",3,2maqdr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2manhq/vaccines_and_herd_immunity_nonsense/,10,1416012886.0,,2014-11-15 02:54:46 +Hepatitis B vaccine kills three newborn babies with anaphylactic shock - Anti Vaxxer Woo from SeattleOrganicRestaurants.com,2,2lyvfe,http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-food/infant-deaths-hepatitis-b-vaccines.php,4,1415745797.0,,2014-11-12 00:43:17 +"If the government was really covering up ""The truth"" about vaccines, and someone blew the whistle, how would we know if he was telling the truth?",0,2lls6t,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2lls6t/if_the_government_was_really_covering_up_the/,1,1415416117.0,,2014-11-08 05:08:37 +Supposed research papers linking vaccines and autism. Anyone seen these before?,3,2ll62f,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2ll62f/supposed_research_papers_linking_vaccines_and/,4,1415404521.0,"My anti-vax aunt just posted [this list](http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link). + + Has anyone seen this before? It seems pretty fishy, especially given that it only consists of the abstracts for these supposed papers.",2014-11-08 01:55:21 +"""Being Anti Vax is just like the fight for Civil Rights"" - White Girl",12,2l68hu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/GMOMyths/comments/2l5y2w/real_studies_prove_gmos_are_highly_doused_in/clrszoc,5,1415064138.0,,2014-11-04 03:22:18 +Ebola Can Be Prevented and Treated Naturally-so Why Are These Approaches Completely Ignored?,4,2korl8,http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_31244.cfm,1,1414628714.0,,2014-10-30 02:25:14 +Mucus,11,2ko787,http://i.imgur.com/TR7YV3A.jpg,16,1414617245.0,,2014-10-29 23:14:05 +I would rather have any vaccine preventable illness than run the risk of getting an autoimmune disease from a vaccine.,4,2kfwxc,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2kann3/cdc_whistleblower_also_a_player_in_the/clk4l9b,1,1414419269.0,,2014-10-27 16:14:29 +"""A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth."" - an ironic quote from a woo website",3,2k6pho,http://www.vaccination.inoz.com,1,1414177143.0,,2014-10-24 21:59:03 +Check out r/HealthySkepticism a subreddit for the discussion of all kinds of medical myths,3,2iqixu,http://np.reddit.com/r/HealthySkepticism/,1,1412863061.0,,2014-10-09 16:57:41 +Rob Schneider's Anti-Vaccine State Farm Ad !!,1,2i4lm3,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHzVXvD8FeY&feature=youtu.be,3,1412312684.0,,2014-10-03 08:04:44 +Rob Schneider Has Guts and Intelligence,3,2i2p9g,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2hpbw5/the_censoring_of_rob_schneider_schneider_gets/,6,1412267750.0,,2014-10-02 19:35:50 +Wealthy L.A. Schools' Vaccination Rates Are as Low as South Sudan's,15,2gog85,http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/,4,1411004537.0,,2014-09-18 04:42:17 +New subreddit: /r/conspirawhiners,0,2fxinj,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2fxinj/new_subreddit_rconspirawhiners/,2,1410317012.0,There is a new subreddit for calling out conspiracy theorists and their lies. It's /r/conspirawhiners.,2014-09-10 05:43:32 +MSM Buries CDC Scientist’s Confession About Vaccines & Autism Link,1,2ewn3m,http://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=AUb6ucF9uZ4&u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DriX1eiXgpNw%26feature%3Dshare,2,1409335562.0,,2014-08-29 21:06:02 +"The Conspiracy is Falling Apart! Autism Vaccine Link Exposed by World Renowned Expert in Diseases, Vaccines and Child Development.....(wait for it).... ROB SCHNEIDER",13,2ei5sm,http://www.canaryparty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149:rob-schneider-demands-answers-on-cdc-mmr-fraud&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50,2,1408970847.0,,2014-08-25 15:47:27 +Today I can report that I now have in my possession CDC documents which prove beyond any doubt that the former head of the CDC actively participated in willful scientific fraud in order to bury clinical evidence linking the MMR vaccine to a 340% increase in autism among African-American children.,7,2e97ms,http://www.naturalnews.com/046537_vaccine_violence_black_Americans_scientific_fraud.html,6,1408717163.0,,2014-08-22 17:19:23 +"C is 3rd letter of the alphabet; 6th letter is F. 18 is what they equal multiplied: R is the 18th letter. Council the verb in German is rat. Noun: der rat. Lucifer comes to mind, personally.",1,2dlzr4,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2dg147/flashback_cfr_recording_suggests_creating_false/,1,1408108650.0,,2014-08-15 16:17:30 +I can't believe how many anti-science people like you there are on Reddit,8,2dlzhz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/offbeat/comments/2dadmz/high_school_students_make_a_scientifically/cjoh3kz,5,1408108455.0,,2014-08-15 16:14:15 +And now this.,6,2btiel,http://youtu.be/g48CfiCHLWo,4,1406448153.0,,2014-07-27 11:02:33 +See?!?!,12,2afwz7,http://i.imgur.com/uZC5fF9.gif,3,1405128403.0,,2014-07-12 04:26:43 +Immunity,23,29tdec,http://i.imgur.com/E8C1nqi.jpg,3,1404495065.0,,2014-07-04 20:31:05 +"Conspiratard claims recent study of vaccine safety was paid for by ""big pharma."" Study itself makes no indication of who paid for it. [X-post from /r/conspiratard]",3,29r0u2,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/29qrd7/bigpharma_vaccines_deemed_safe_by_bigpharma/,2,1404432701.0,,2014-07-04 03:11:41 +A review by one graduate student at Harvard is evidence that the flu isn't as deadly as the CDC says it is,1,2922qs,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2922qs/a_review_by_one_graduate_student_at_harvard_is/,3,1403733610.0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28vj90/only_18_confirmed_us_flu_deaths_in_2001_not_36000/,2014-06-26 01:00:10 +"So, I have to inject my kid with a low dose of a disease 'vaccinated' or they can't go to school. That's total bullshit............. ; (",9,2920wo,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/29148b/court_ruling_parents_dont_have_the_right_to_send/ciggoqg,1,1403732319.0,,2014-06-26 00:38:39 +Hysterical!!! Conspiracy theorists fall for a SATIRICAL medical blog!,6,28kqqr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28k2ou/it_seems_like_the_cdc_is_going_to_require/,4,1403233585.0,,2014-06-20 06:06:25 +Anti-vaxxer claims to know topic inside and out and that doctors ask her opinion,4,28jzr1,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28dcro/how_you_can_tell_if_youre_posting_a_hot_topic_to/cib3mbt,2,1403218364.0,,2014-06-20 01:52:44 +Activist posting stating that 85% of those contracting measles are fully vaccinated.,14,28aabs,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28a8ff/california_measles_85_of_those_contracting_it_are/,4,1402961100.0,,2014-06-17 02:25:00 +Parent calls on /r/conspiracy to aid in harming his/her child by providing antivaccine information,14,27rc2u,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/27p8ky/please_assist_i_need_everything_you_know_on_the/,2,1402401348.0,,2014-06-10 14:55:48 +"""It's sad to think parents are still poisoning their children with vaccines"" Non-cited, non-researched, scare-tactic poster",6,279d2c,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2797tm/its_sad_to_think_parents_are_still_poisoning/,3,1401878902.0,,2014-06-04 13:48:22 +"""Measles is like chicken pox, not a big deal.""",9,272fgl,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/26zsfi/measles_cases_in_the_us_reach_20year_high/chwbwrx,2,1401694555.0,,2014-06-02 10:35:55 +(UN)convincing paper (tries) to provide proof that the myth of immune overload is not a myth.,2,271xgx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2718bh/new_paper_provides_convincing_evidence_vaccine/,6,1401682396.0,,2014-06-02 07:13:16 +Supposed link between vaccines and Diabetes/Autoimmune disorders?,2,26yzs2,http://www.vaccines.net/vaccine-induced-immune-overload.pdf,4,1401588731.0,,2014-06-01 05:12:11 +"Mercury causes autism, no matter what anyone says. This youtube video is definitive proof!",11,26pft5,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26m39l/how_mercury_triggered_the_age_of_autism/chsmjmt?context=3,1,1401323017.0,,2014-05-29 03:23:37 +"""Big pharma shill, Dr. Goldman, wants to tattoo a yellow star on unvaccinated Canadians.""",7,26n9br,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26mvwj/time_for_a_national_vaccine_registry_big_pharma/,1,1401259104.0,,2014-05-28 09:38:24 +"We should create a list of canned speeches and place them in the sidebar, like a FAQ of sorts. They could be used as a toolbox to counter antivax claims often used.",5,26f34p,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/26f34p/we_should_create_a_list_of_canned_speeches_and/,2,1401013461.0,"I often see rebuttals created that are often hostile or attack ad hominem rather than their specific claims, something I believe we should avoid. We shouldn't stoop to their level, they can call us shills or indoctrinated sheep, but that should not affect our argument. We should have clear, evidenced rebuttals that address all aspects of the claim. Topics may include + +* Mercury +* Mercury specifically in children +* Autism +* SIDS +* Herd immunity +* Resurgence of nearly extinct polio +* et al + + +This should be a good starting point, but we should expand on certain topics. + +This will provide a good, standardized systematic way of combating their concerns and doubts. If they refuse our facts and evidence and still remain convinced of their pseudoscience, we need a canned as well to explain how *not* vaccinating can hurt others.",2014-05-25 13:24:21 +"Since the anti-vaccination movement doesn't have any facts on their side, their new tactic is to post gish-gallops.",4,26djaz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26c6ca/the_not_so_conspiracy_of_uneccesary_and_deadly/,46,1400968835.0,,2014-05-25 01:00:35 +"Toni Braxton claims her son’s autism was God’s punishment for abortion, may be due to vaccinations",7,26b2il,http://www.salon.com/2014/05/23/toni_braxton_claims_her_sons_autism_was_gods_punishment_for_abortion_may_be_due_to_vaccinations/,1,1400890168.0,,2014-05-24 03:09:28 +"Vaccines are linked to SIDS, according to activist post",10,26azrp,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26axn2/shaken_baby_syndrome_medical_science_or_medical/,4,1400888394.0,,2014-05-24 02:39:54 +"""...a lot of vaccines contain a tiny bit of mercury.""",5,26azcx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26ak7u/are_some_vaccines_necessary_or_are_all_of_them/chp7031,11,1400888128.0,,2014-05-24 02:35:28 +The WHO contrived a polio emergency. Poster doesn't understand why vaccine is still necessary.,4,263db1,http://http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/261io3/polio_global_health_emergency_entirely_fabricated/,1,1400674499.0,,2014-05-21 15:14:59 +People have been paralyzed by the flu vaccine and polio vaccine in African. Bill gates funded all those polio vaccines and then a lot of kids became sick or paralyzed from it,6,25y9en,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/25v7kw/study_of_13_million_kids_reveals_vaccines_arent/chldi3v,2,1400545402.0,,2014-05-20 03:23:22 +Apparently this user's opinion trumps a meta-analysis showing that vaccines don't cause autism. He's also fond of the big-pharma conspiracy.,8,25xu7d,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/25v7kw/study_of_13_million_kids_reveals_vaccines_arent/chl71xo,3,1400535172.0,,2014-05-20 00:32:52 +Use of a youtube video to try to prove the polio vaccine is bad. Doesn't realize there are two forms of the vaccine. Also doesn't realize that the risk of poliomyelitis is greater than the risk of VAPP. Use of nominal numbers rather than percentage to make argument about VAPP.,11,25qt7x,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/25pr5r/pakistan_mandatory_polio_vaccination_required_for/,3,1400304224.0,,2014-05-17 08:23:44 +"Fuck you Reddit, you tyrants. I am glad no one listens to you. If someone doesn't want a vaccine, then they don't have to take one, regardless of how you fuckers think",2,25qd3x,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/25pmtd/this_pisses_me_off_to_no_end/chjnkdo,1,1400294204.0,,2014-05-17 05:36:44 +"It was aspirin that killed millions in 1918-19. Now it is mandated and unknown, untested vaccines with banned adjuvants in them that threaten the country with millions of death",4,25c4y2,http://www.sott.net/article/278748-The-vaccine-hoax-is-over-Documents-from-UK-reveal-30-years-of-coverup,2,1399899954.0,,2014-05-12 16:05:54 +"CDC video asking parents to vaccinate their children against cancer-causing HPV is ""creepy"" according to activistpost. Seems like these people are in favor of cancer. Most cervical cancers is caused by HPV - the vaccine prevents HPV. People peddling this stuff should put 2 and 2 together...",8,25bkqt,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/257lj5/creepy_cdc_video_promotes_hpv_vaccine_to_all/,17,1399884584.0,,2014-05-12 11:49:44 +Berries,22,255k29,http://i.imgur.com/cOhHzk8.png,3,1399693851.0,,2014-05-10 06:50:51 +"he WHO's Global Polio ""Emergency"": Is that 417 cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) or wild polio? For 27 years there was more VAPP in the US than wild-strain polio...apparently the oral polio vaccine is still ""safe"" for babies in the third world. : conspiracy",7,254vr9,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/254s6x/the_whos_global_polio_emergency_is_that_417_cases/,3,1399678711.0,,2014-05-10 02:38:31 +"New paper in Pediatrics: tested four educational interventions meant for anti-vax parents, all four further increased anti-vax sentiment. In short: anti-vaxxers are totally immune to education.",10,254l16,http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyhan/vaccine-misinformation.pdf,4,1399671409.0,,2014-05-10 00:36:49 +"I refuse the flu vaccination. Fucking rethefuckfuse the flu vaccination. I believe that one is the gov'ment's way of injecting us with shit to control us. Let us have snifflies, I say.",3,2519lh,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/250ut0/what_is_your_stance_on_vaccination_why/chcjwf2,3,1399579493.0,,2014-05-08 23:04:53 +"""The US infant mortality is I think number 38 (IT'S NOT), one of the worst out of all the developed countries. Also number 1 for number of vaccines."" Therefore the conclusion is that vaccines are the cause of the high infant mortality rate in the US.",3,24y8nl,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/24wy5g/the_us_is_one_of_the_only_countries_in_the_world/chbrg1h,1,1399499382.0,,2014-05-08 00:49:42 +"""The Cancer Virus""",13,24k8a6,http://i.imgur.com/Bvaia9C.jpg,4,1399084506.0,,2014-05-03 05:35:06 +"I was mildly sceptical of vaccines being a cause of autism until my partner told me of her child being a normal healthy happy little boy until the week after his MMR vaccination, he now has aspergers syndrome",0,24h3x6,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/24gr2a/us_mmr_measles_vaccine_failing_vaccinated_new/ch71cel,7,1398997264.0,,2014-05-02 05:21:04 +Meet my friend's anti-vax wife,30,24ay6d,http://imgur.com/hkm8hqC,1,1398829661.0,,2014-04-30 06:47:41 +"However, hidden to most Americans was an elaborate Public Relations scheme being carefully and methodically applied to their psyche. Propaganda was used heavily to promote the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis and the March of Dimes solution to the polio epidemics: a vaccine.",1,241dvr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/23yfad/top_post_in_jf_queenys_vaccine_myths_sub_calls_my/ch20mmm,0,1398558171.0,,2014-04-27 03:22:51 +"Long-winded, ill-researched diatribe over at r/conspiracy. Author admits that he's unable to think for himself.",4,23sqo0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/23oi4e/the_skeptics_guide_to_vaccines_part_i_poxes_polio/cgzx0u6,55,1398313863.0,,2014-04-24 07:31:03 +"This is getting passed around my Facebook feed. VACCINES ARE BAD, MMMK? POLIO WAS CURED WITH BETTER HYGIENE!",10,23hw85,http://thepeopleschemist.com/reasons-dont-vaccinate-children-vaccine-supporters-shouldnt-give-shit/,5,1398006464.0,,2014-04-20 18:07:44 +Pro-Vaccine Immunologist Admits a Shocking Truth About Vaccines,1,23h82m,http://gaetacommunications.com/site/?p=1092,4,1397985141.0,,2014-04-20 12:12:21 +Logical Response,2,2396ma,http://i.imgur.com/L2UlzO8.jpg,1,1397751510.0,,2014-04-17 19:18:30 +"You don't get lots of things, ma'am.",20,2396kn,http://i.imgur.com/U1sS2og.jpg,2,1397751438.0,,2014-04-17 19:17:18 +How Dead Babies Work,3,2396jc,http://i.imgur.com/0sCqsjm.jpg,1,1397751388.0,,2014-04-17 19:16:28 +Impact Font. Black and Red Lettering on White Background.,2,2396hg,http://i.imgur.com/GWqRBnR.jpg,1,1397751313.0,,2014-04-17 19:15:13 +Teething is like a telephone in the Matrix,1,2396eq,http://i.imgur.com/a1SPhnr.jpg,1,1397751237.0,,2014-04-17 19:13:57 +Now We Have a New Normal,3,2396db,http://i.imgur.com/7vdi80L.jpg,1,1397751171.0,,2014-04-17 19:12:51 +"My anti-vax aunt just posted this comment on an article, much more cogently argued than most posts I see, and since I'm not knowledgeable enough to specifically refute anything I was wondering if one of you were.",11,238hku,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/238hku/my_antivax_aunt_just_posted_this_comment_on_an/,22,1397729168.0,"She's a little bit of a conspiracy nut and is super into homeopathy, but she also has a Ph.D. and has written books, so the usual idiocy isn't on display (at least rhetorically). If everything she claims in this post is true, then vaccines are the devil. I know that's not the case, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to refute most of her points, so I was wondering if any of you were. + +Here's the post: + +""Contrary to the view that non-vaccinators are uneducated fools duped by conspiracy theories, most have taken the time to study the scientific data that show most vaccinations not to be worth the risk. Even the Supreme Court has deemed vaccination to be ""unavoidably unsafe"". +Are you aware that, by law, the CDC sponsors a vaccine injury database called VAERS -- the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. According to VAERS data, over the past 10 years alone, 26,793 people have been hospitalized with vaccine injuries and 2,081 have died. Did you know that 162 young people, mostly healthy teenage girls, have now died after receiving the HPV vaccine? +Did you know that, in exchange for granting legal immunity to vaccine manufacturers, the US government sponsors a vaccine court that awards compensation to families with vaccine-injured children? This court has paid out billions of dollars to families, including for children whose autism was deemed to have been caused by vaccination. Did you know that a 2005 FDA report on the Tripedia DTP vaccine listed many neurological problems as potential side effects, including autism? +Did you know that one of the key studies that supposedly exonerated vaccines from causing autism was authored by Poul Thorsen, now a fugitive wanted for money laundering and fraud? And that, in contrast to what is constantly repeated in the media, there are dozens of studies implicating vaccines as playing a role in causing autism, as well as many other neurological and chronic diseases, including Type 1 diabetes (also on the rise in children)? Did you know that a 2011 study in Germany that compared vaccinated versus unvaccinated populations found unvaccinated children to be far more healthy, with much lower rates of asthma, allergies, ear infections, epilepsy, gluten sensitivities, GERD, anxiety and depression, autism, and dyslexia? +Did you know that a growing number of physicians and immunologists are admitting that vaccination may not be worth the risk? They point out that, in an effort to avoid the childhood diseases (which only 60 years ago were considered beneficial because they triggered true immunity and spurts in child development), we may be causing an increase in chronic disease and a form of disease immunity that is not as strong and longlasting? Did you know that recent outbreaks of childhood diseases among vaccinated children is not due to their ""contamination"" by unvaccinated children or due to loss of so-called ""herd immunity"", but rather, is usually occurring in completely vaccinated populations because their artificial immunity is waning? +Please understand. Parents who wish to forego vaccination for their children are not asking that others follow their lead. They simply want to be permitted to follow their beliefs and not be forced to administer these drugs to their children. Indeed, many of these families already have a vaccine-injured child. Each year, the extremely powerful vaccine industry sponsors media campaigns (like the one we are currently experiencing) whose ultimately goal is to force everyone to become their customers. As a society, we must preserve our human right not to be forceably injected and medicated against our will.""",2014-04-17 13:06:08 +"""Saddest part is how ignorant and dogmatic the fascist pro-vaccination people are. It's like you think I have a monopoly on science so yo can just reject scientific reality. The people concerned about vaccines have more scientific support.""",12,22zgjq,http://np.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/22x6fv/phew_glad_you_nipped_that_in_the_bud/cgrn3r6,3,1397484386.0,,2014-04-14 17:06:26 +I don't know if this belongs here. Let me know if these aren't welcome. xpost /r/cringepics,14,22yzwe,http://i.imgur.com/hySy8AI.png,2,1397471095.0,,2014-04-14 13:24:55 +"In fact, the AMA (American Medical Association) is in part financed by Pfizer, which owns Monsanto, the company that manufactured controversial and proven-to-be-dangerous products such as the insecticide DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin",1,22ryi5,http://www.thrivemovement.com/empowering-your-health-beyond-monsanto-rockefeller-and-american-medical-association.blog,3,1397251713.0,,2014-04-12 00:28:33 +"The oral polio vaccine grown on chimpanzee kidneys in Africa just prior to the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and administered to ~3m people, is almost certainly the culprit of said disease in humans.",3,22rxpg,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/22qvcz/anyone_else_notice_a_lot_of_postscomments/cgpl2sr,1,1397251049.0,,2014-04-12 00:17:29 +Roald Dahl's daughter died from measles.,17,22qebu,http://quantumblog.tumblr.com/post/82284530486/olivia-my-eldest-daughter-caught-measles-when,3,1397199247.0,,2014-04-11 09:54:07 +"Can't do math, tries convincing the Amish don't vaccinate, can't provide proof that the Amish are not susceptible to vaccine-preventable diseases, jumps to a 2002 video about congressional hearings regarding dental amalgams, ignores fact that thimerosal is no longer in required childhood vaccines.",12,22nbyh,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/22k0hq/how_to_talk_to_vaccinehesitant_parents/cgo52l4,1,1397113698.0,,2014-04-10 10:08:18 +Docs challenge opt-out laws for childhood vaccines,19,22jo26,http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2014/04/08/doctors-challenge-opt-laws-childhood-vaccines/7460961/,3,1397017378.0,,2014-04-09 07:22:58 +Dog autism caused by owners giving unnecessary dog vaccines.,6,22iuhw,http://www.vetinfo.com/dog-autism-symptoms.html#b,2,1397000292.0,,2014-04-09 02:38:12 +An easy to understand summary of the evidence:,2,22ipkk,http://youtu.be/o65l1YAVaYc,1,1396997251.0,,2014-04-09 01:47:31 +"Hydration and a cold rag are all that are needed for measles because it works wonders. Also there is, apparently, too much hype about death from measles.",8,22hr62,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/22g7xj/school_in_canada_makes_nonvaccinated_students/cgmx8yo,4,1396961774.0,,2014-04-08 15:56:14 +"Besides, vaccination immunity wears off. Contracting the Measles and actually letting your body immunize itself naturally means it will become immune for life.",6,22hq9b,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/22g7xj/school_in_canada_makes_nonvaccinated_students/cgms8v7,2,1396960990.0,,2014-04-08 15:43:10 +"""There is a bot-based campaign to ATTACK NAA - a great org - started at the kitchen table of real autism Moms""",2,22hpyc,http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/04/heroes-chilis-supports-safety-for-people-with-autism-thank-you.html,1,1396960712.0,,2014-04-08 15:38:32 +"""We haven't even looked at that page — it's been up there for years,"" she said of the section on the group's site that says vaccines can trigger autism.",7,22h8oq,http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/chilis-backs-off-autism-event-backlash-23222904,6,1396949323.0,,2014-04-08 12:28:43 +"Much like Natural News, the NAA is routinely defamed by the mainstream media through the deliberate engineering and publication of false, defamatory lies and misinformation intentionally spread by the medical mafia to try to shut down anyone who questions vaccine safety",3,22ewes,http://www.naturalnews.com/044620_Chilis_autism_awareness_week_medical_mafia.html,5,1396892305.0,,2014-04-07 20:38:25 +Chili's Cancels Plan To Fundraise For Anti-Vaccination Autism Group (UPDATE),11,22e28e,http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5101026,1,1396863705.0,,2014-04-07 12:41:45 +No mystery why the measles have returned,7,22dvr1,http://www.thoroldedition.ca/2014/04/06/no-mystery-why-the-measles-have-returned,1,1396859194.0,,2014-04-07 11:26:34 +Success!!!,24,22dcir,http://i.imgur.com/YXsaK71.png,12,1396846107.0,,2014-04-07 07:48:27 +Chili's Fail,3,22bkdv,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/22bkdv/chilis_fail/,0,1396784676.0,"I bet the local health departments (who promote vaccinations) would be more than happy to cooperate in having random and repeated inspections of all Brinker properties... + +Please tweet or contact Chili's on Facebook to let them know your opinion",2014-04-06 14:44:36 +Chili's Response to Fundraising for an Anti Vaxx group,16,227jx3,http://i.imgur.com/a10JVrY.jpg,11,1396663993.0,,2014-04-05 05:13:13 +"Polio is transmitted through the fecal/oral route. Gates hasnt built one well or improved sanitation in these countries, just jab jab jab. ""Donates"" millions to his own companies to vaccinate children and "" women of child bearing years"". This is exactly what Rothchild did on his eugenics bent.",5,22694l,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1can13/every_time_i_post_something_about_bill_gates_and/c9exeki,1,1396623142.0,,2014-04-04 17:52:22 +"I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby, I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby, I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby...Chili's Baby Anti Vax Idiots!",14,2267jy,http://i.imgur.com/eRMkuhN.jpg,1,1396621360.0,,2014-04-04 17:22:40 +"""You believe what you want, but I know what happened to my child. I don't care what studies you have posted""",13,2262gy,http://i.imgur.com/VkjozI3.jpg,4,1396616434.0,,2014-04-04 16:00:34 +"""It has been proven time and again that vaccines trigger adverse reactions in certain individuals,"" states NAA President and parent Wendy Fournier in defense of Andrew Wakefield",6,225zg5,http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/national-autism-association-says-bmj-article-is-yet-another-attempt-to-thwart-vaccine-safety-researc.html,2,1396613800.0,,2014-04-04 15:16:40 +@NationalAutism - Some fine twitter anti vax BS,3,225vyu,https://twitter.com/nationalautism/status/274251664444235776,2,1396611095.0,,2014-04-04 14:31:35 +The Bullshit The National Autism Association Promotes (and Chili's Restaurants apparently endorses),7,225oe6,http://i.imgur.com/c0nKwg5.jpg,1,1396605788.0,,2014-04-04 13:03:08 +"How Fixing a ""Broken Cheeseburger"" Brought Chili's To Contribute To Anti Vaxxers - A Press Release In The WSJ",4,225o59,http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140402-912405.html,2,1396605611.0,,2014-04-04 13:00:11 +Chili's Restaurants Goes Full Derp - Hooks Up With Anti Vaxxer Charity - Will Give 10% of Mondays (April 7) Sales To A Pseudoscience Autism Group,14,225mx6,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/225m0q/chilis_to_donate_10_of_every_check_on_april_7th/,4,1396604757.0,,2014-04-04 12:45:57 +"Milk is used to control the populace, not vaccines. That's why you can't buy milk from a farm legally, it has to fda regulated.",4,225at0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2255qi/i_know_reddit_is_seriously_provaccination_and_i/cgjgwp6,1,1396596498.0,,2014-04-04 10:28:18 +Boom. Undeniable proof of the dangers of vaccines. Big pharma won't stop until they kill all of us.,3,2251cj,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/224nz4/a_new_autoimmunity_syndrome_linked_to_aluminum_in/cgjauy3,2,1396590646.0,,2014-04-04 08:50:46 +"TIL ""it was proven in a Federal court that MMR vaccine caused autism in several children, prompting multi-million dollar verdict""",7,224lw0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/224kbe/til_it_was_proven_in_a_federal_court_that_mmr/,5,1396581787.0,,2014-04-04 06:23:07 +It's a known fact that the US Gov't created AIDS. I'm getting the feeling that vaccines are being used to spread it and keep the population down. What do you think?,0,224518,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/223yhq/its_a_known_fact_that_the_us_govt_created_aids_im/,1,1396572022.0,,2014-04-04 03:40:22 +Typical debate with an anti-vaxer (I'm teal),23,223dj9,http://imgur.com/a/Qwhin,16,1396551394.0,,2014-04-03 21:56:34 +"The argument for 'herd immunity' is completely invalid, because one person should not be able to compel another to do something they don't want to protect the first person. That is simply tyranny.",4,22305h,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/222yo9/cmv_people_should_be_able_to_not_vaccinate_their/,10,1396534472.0,,2014-04-03 17:14:32 +From /r/Rage,43,221h6d,http://imgur.com/a/sZf8z,13,1396497709.0,,2014-04-03 07:01:49 +These doctors should be ashamed of themselves for submitting this family to such a terrifying ordeal.,0,2211n5,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/220mxm/parents_told_to_vaccinate_newborn_or_have_him/cgi9wfe,1,1396488770.0,,2014-04-03 04:32:50 +I would rage if this was handed to me...,1184,21zc6n,http://m.imgur.com/a/bZDWg,596,1396434762.0,,2014-04-02 13:32:42 +Vaccines Cause Peanut Allergies!,8,21xswj,http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/allergies/vaccines-and-the-peanut-allergy-epidemic/,2,1396401455.0,,2014-04-02 04:17:35 +"The hive mind has little time for vaccines, this is clearly the propagandist team. It's about time Reddit investigate them and put a stop to this obvious manipulation and misinformation.",3,21xi7l,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21xeo5/front_page_vaccine_propaganda_continues/cghd8iq,2,1396395569.0,,2014-04-02 02:39:29 +"Autism is NOT one thing with one cause. In many cases of what is called Autism, we are looking at vaccine damage, pure and simple. Then CALL IT VACCINE DAMAGE, NOT AUTISM. Call “it” what it is found to be, in that child. The label is a deception.",3,21x2yf,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiro/comments/1o8awq/autism_is_not_one_thing_with_one_cause_in_many/,2,1396385445.0,,2014-04-01 23:50:45 +"I feel that the general, blanket acceptance of anything called a vaccine, and the instant dismissal of anything considered ""anti-vaccine"" currently circulating reddit is dangerous.",0,21wyue,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/21w9de/til_an_extremely_effective_lyme_disease_vaccine/cgh8as4,1,1396381392.0,,2014-04-01 22:43:12 +"Activist posting: so many inaccuracies...my head hurts. If I didn't know this person actually believed what they wrote, I would think it was purely satire.",3,21w1i2,http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/hands-off-our-vaccine-exemptions.html,1,1396350023.0,,2014-04-01 14:00:23 +The Bizarro Logic of /r/Conspiracy,8,21sylw,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21qyuw/vaccination_is_not_immunization_the_gold_standard/cgfpt43,2,1396269118.0,,2014-03-31 15:31:58 +Hands Off Our Vaccine Exemptions: Blaming an unvaccinated child for the spread of a disease they’ve never had on a population that is almost entirely vaccinated is like you blaming a random person’s cat in Oklahoma for the grey hair you found on your head. : conspiracy,3,21ruyd,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21qyoq/hands_off_our_vaccine_exemptions_blaming_an/,1,1396241917.0,,2014-03-31 07:58:37 +I also don't trust any governments to stab me with needles with their word as all my assurance of what exactly they are shooting me full of. Not all conspiracy theorists are nuts when it comes to the covert eugenics programs of the medical industry,1,21qx0c,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/21ovsf/mandatory_vaccines_how_do_you_feel_about_it/cgfduz2,2,1396218455.0,,2014-03-31 01:27:35 +Sticking a metal object into my skin and injecting who know's what (someone can tell you what it is but you're assuming if you didn't make it yourself) into my body is not my opinion of what is natural. So I don't do it.,0,21qglg,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21mdys/anyone_else_notice_a_rise_in_posts_about/cgew2qd,1,1396195815.0,,2014-03-30 19:10:15 +"What exactly would mandatory vaccines look like? It could very well look like Child Protective Services kidnapping children from families who are not ""modern"" enough, including children in ghettos, in reservations, in Appalachian poor rural areas, in off-grid radical families",2,21plqu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/21ovsf/mandatory_vaccines_how_do_you_feel_about_it/cgf7yzu,2,1396167783.0,,2014-03-30 11:23:03 +I've offered some evidence that polio is not what you think it is and that the mainstream history of the polio vaccine is grossly incorrect...I honestly have no reason to engage with you further.,2,21bu7c,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21bn9y/more_bullshit_vaccine_propaganda_on_the_front/cgbhub2,1,1395790680.0,,2014-03-26 01:38:00 +The main reason I am cautious about vaccines is that my brother sustained a vaccine-related injury as a child - and is now severely retarded.,0,21accc,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/218jvi/serious_antivaxxers_of_reddit_why_are_you_against/cgarbdw,1,1395742012.0,,2014-03-25 12:06:52 +anti-vax blogger make some points that i am unequipped to refute.,5,217ind,http://ancestral-nutrition.com/why-jenny-mccarthy-katie-couric-and-kristin-cavallari-are-my-new-heroes/,4,1395666674.0,,2014-03-24 15:11:14 +Here's Why Celebs Shouldn't Play Doctor,3,216jjo,http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/03/21/anti-vaccine-celebrities-should-stop-playing-doctor?cmpid=organic-share-reddit,1,1395642391.0,,2014-03-24 08:26:31 +Whooping Cough News Coverage is Part of a Jewish Conspiracy,4,211ygn,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/science/comments/20yfip/whooping_cough_outbreaks_tied_to_parents_shunning/cg8bl5m,1,1395489687.0,,2014-03-22 14:01:27 +"The Answer is 'Yes, Yes it Does'",18,20z2ec,http://i.imgur.com/JVRqifI.jpg,2,1395408346.0,,2014-03-21 15:25:46 +'good idea',2,20z2by,http://i.imgur.com/YVyRZ8c.jpg,2,1395408283.0,,2014-03-21 15:24:43 +It stems from flawed thinking and ignorance. All of the vehement vaccine people don't realize that there's no such thing as herd immunity,0,20ywek,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/20egd2/if_this_isnt_propaganda_i_dont_know_what_isthanks/cg2igxd,1,1395403507.0,,2014-03-21 14:05:07 +Creative Problem Solving,14,20yoyd,http://imgur.com/4kd9rxV,1,1395398394.0,,2014-03-21 12:39:54 +Keep this in mind,19,20uw2x,http://i.imgur.com/8yGsHit.jpg,1,1395301376.0,,2014-03-20 09:42:56 +"It's just like the common cold, really...",3,20tbxt,http://i.imgur.com/lHz07iP.jpg,2,1395269393.0,,2014-03-20 00:49:53 +"I've never had had a vaccination shot and get a cold maybe once a year. Know what you eat, stay healthy, wash your hands, it's that simple. To each their own obviously, but some people in this post need to chill the fuck out.",0,20dqj5,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/20dc5b/jay_cutler_and_wife_kristin_cavallari_come_out_as/cg26p1m,1,1394802066.0,,2014-03-14 15:01:06 +"We have a pharmaceutical industry that has brought us absolute poisons like Vioxx and has introduced a series of bullshit vaccines like HPV and flu ""vaccines."" Moreover, the industry has completely captured the FDA and most of the academic institutions that research its products.",0,20dq9o,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/20djdl/thanks_antivaxxers_you_just_brought_back_measles/cg285d8,1,1394801823.0,,2014-03-14 14:57:03 +Water vs Mercury,5,204uhp,http://i.imgur.com/mFNNdPY.jpg,4,1394571015.0,,2014-03-11 22:50:15 +Swine Flu Immunity Confirmed,6,1zyy6b,http://i.imgur.com/QSeTOcD.jpg,3,1394408406.0,,2014-03-10 01:40:06 +"Vaccines cause SIDs, according to one extremely incompetent commenter.",4,1zrm8s,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1zhdsj/antivaccination_parents_dig_in_heels_even_after/cfu1yfo,4,1394180480.0,,2014-03-07 10:21:20 +"Yep, this is one of the main reasons why this type of propaganda backfires. If they really wanted us to take their vaccines they'd be better off not bringing more attention to them.",0,1zmwc2,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1zjces/provaccination_propaganda_is_backfiring_study/cfu59sp,1,1394065856.0,,2014-03-06 02:30:56 +"I keep hearing, vaccines don't cause autism. It's been 'proven'. Well if this was really so why have the US vaccine courts (the ones that protect the company and make the tax payer foot the bill) paid out money for vaccine induced autism",3,1ziwgx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1zhdsj/antivaccination_parents_dig_in_heels_even_after/cfu01ap,4,1393965819.0,,2014-03-04 22:43:39 +"Hello, My Name Is",7,1zdb6g,http://m.imgur.com/AKkJi5G,4,1393819668.0,,2014-03-03 06:07:48 +...but im not a biologist or even a chemist or doctor lol,4,1za4c0,http://m.imgur.com/a/XjbaR,3,1393727065.0,,2014-03-02 04:24:25 +The most common injury I have seen is vaccine induced MS.,1,1za3as,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1za2qo/im_going_to_keep_submitting_this_this_needs_to_be/,2,1393726389.0,,2014-03-02 04:13:09 +...and sent to jail,3,1z32zb,http://i.imgur.com/25flhz3.jpg,2,1393538534.0,,2014-02-28 00:02:14 +Humans are not being considered when someone is making such a mighty profit. we were created with a certain DNA and it shouldn't be tampered with by vaccines.,0,1z32hd,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1yxv6m/take_the_risk/,1,1393538128.0,,2014-02-27 23:55:28 +"The dtap (acellular pertussis vaccine) actually isn't very effective against whooping cough. Fortunately, you can treat whooping cough with vitamin c.",2,1z32be,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/1z0v2r/im_trying_to_raise_funds_for_a_vaccines_save/cfppfjt,1,1393537968.0,,2014-02-27 23:52:48 +...other than penicillin,7,1z326l,http://i.imgur.com/2MwMKeg.jpg,3,1393537841.0,,2014-02-27 23:50:41 +In a larger context commerce is war and that is what this is all about re: two ex-Navy SEALS turn up dead on the Maersk Alabama (Tom Hanks movie on pirates).,0,1z31s9,http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion/2014/02/compelling-vaccine-testimony-from-a-desert-storm-veteran-mind-boggling-video-2448174.html,1,1393537511.0,,2014-02-27 23:45:11 +Rat Poison,4,1yxghy,http://i.imgur.com/cK3og25.jpg,2,1393393732.0,,2014-02-26 07:48:52 +"The Amish don't vaccinate (they actually do), big-pharma...you know the drill",5,1ywbj4,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1wvlek/pediatrician_vaccinate_your_kidsor_get_out_of_my/cfo6wej,2,1393371169.0,,2014-02-26 01:32:49 +Irrefutable Prufe,10,1y8rac,http://i.imgur.com/2GJQiFb.jpg,5,1392762552.0,,2014-02-19 00:29:12 +You are the only person here that knows what you're talking about.,3,1y0s0k,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/1y0s0k/you_are_the_only_person_here_that_knows_what/,5,1392538295.0," + +I think this guy is probably doing these ""unvaccinated undesirables"" a favor by staying away from them. Nobody likes a pretentious douchebag, especially one that doesn't really understand how vaccines work. + +Don't worry about the down votes, I'm un subscribing to this sub anyway. I realize reddit is a pro vaccine community but you guys aren't even bothering to try to back up your position, you just automatically condemn anyone who doesn't think just like you. It's wrong and if what you're really worried about is children going unvaccinated, you've done nothing but convince these people that they're doing the right thing because you're nothing but a bunch of haters. How would you know if a child was unvaccinated unless the parents told you? + +Peace out and haters to the left.",2014-02-16 10:11:35 +"Although I don't agree with all of the article, it really made me question vaccines. If they don't work and can even cause illness, why are we using them?",0,1xsjib,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1xrvq4/i_dont_plan_to_vaccinate_my_children_cmv/,1,1392315044.0,,2014-02-13 20:10:44 +"""Don't you see the absurdity of advocating for blanket one-size-fits-vaccinations? Not yet? Fire back so I can keep educating you.""",8,1wyihs,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/antivax/comments/1w0hmm/why_is_this_sub_called_antivax_if_it_is_actually/cf6bpoa,2,1391516418.0,,2014-02-04 14:20:18 +"Anti-vaccine blogger ""refutes"" LA Times Whooping Cough Story. She thinks she has a monopoly on the ""truth""",6,1wxgjy,http://gianelloni.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/la-times-and-the-whooping-cough-story/,1,1391493792.0,,2014-02-04 08:03:12 +Dr Dre would have been slightly more credible...,8,1wq90e,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTU-uXdEq84,1,1391294968.0,,2014-02-02 00:49:28 +50 Reasons to Not Vaccinate your Children!,0,1wn42f,http://www.endalldisease.com/50-reasons-to-not-vaccinate-your-children/,2,1391202250.0,,2014-01-31 23:04:10 +Shut Down the FDA,2,1wn3te,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1wlarg/should_the_fda_be_shutdown/,2,1391201981.0,,2014-01-31 22:59:41 +"""I consider the dangers posed by the side effects of vaccines to be greater than the dangers posed by the diseases those vaccinations are supposed to prevent""",0,1wn3my,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1wm2hz/going_to_be_a_new_mom_soon_questions_about/cf3i8ar,4,1391201755.0,,2014-01-31 22:55:55 +"""The CDC and FDA are not credible sources"" uses th CDC to prove a point...",9,1wi8lz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1w9xpr/vaccine_fears_are_causing_an_influx_of/cf1iryc,2,1391065684.0,,2014-01-30 09:08:04 +No real quote from this guy. You just have to read what he's writing. He's completely bungling immunology.,6,1wfggi,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1w9xpr/vaccine_fears_are_causing_an_influx_of/cf0nl9z,4,1390991345.0,,2014-01-29 12:29:05 +This will enrich Big Pharma and allow the Government to put whatever chemical into the public's bloodstream they the Government see's fit. This is putting too much trust in the Government,2,1wd4v0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1wboy2/big_pharma_and_corporate_media_team_up_for/cf0h5qc,0,1390938150.0,,2014-01-28 21:42:30 +This is a pretty terribly written blog.,5,1wcagm,http://resistancejournals.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-vaccine-debate.html,4,1390907718.0,,2014-01-28 13:15:18 +"Those in favor of vaccines are ""fighting a loosing battle."" ""It's stupid to vaccinate a 5 minute old infant against a sexually transmitted disease.""",10,1w5o4i,http://np.reddit.com/r/antivax/comments/1w0hmm/why_is_this_sub_called_antivax_if_it_is_actually/ceyve72,8,1390726193.0,,2014-01-26 10:49:53 +"I stopped reading at the second sentence, first paragraph, when you asked me to prove to you that diet and exercise are healthy and boost the immune system. Such elementary ignorance warrants no further interest.",6,1vypcf,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1m9dli/measles_outbreak_in_us_highest_in_17_years_due/cewae0y,1,1390533146.0,,2014-01-24 05:12:26 +"The toll of the anti-vaccination movement, in one devastating graphic",14,1vvac1,"http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-antivaccination-movement-20140120,0,5576371.story#axzz2r9XVqQ5M",1,1390443837.0,,2014-01-23 04:23:57 +Myths & Legends Surrounding the Tetanus Shot,5,1vuu7l,http://www.amoils.com/health-blog/myths-legends-surrounding-the-tetanus-shot/,3,1390434062.0,,2014-01-23 01:41:02 +"had h1n1 and drank raw garlic tea 4x a day for 4 days. I was sick but managed quite well. Some friends that had it said they thought they were going to die, but it felt like mild flu to me.",4,1vu6dz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1vu0so/pandemrix_an_antiswine_flu_h1n1_vaccination/cevtgcq,3,1390407170.0,,2014-01-22 18:12:50 +Fwd Fwd Fwd Like And Share,0,1vtcap,http://i.imgur.com/4jS5oU6.jpg,1,1390384329.0,,2014-01-22 11:52:09 +"The flu vaccine gave me the flu. Someone with an ironic username proves anti-flu-vaccine guy wrong over and over again, but he doesn't actually comprehend what ironically named guy says.",9,1vofc7,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/1vofc7/the_flu_vaccine_gave_me_the_flu_someone_with_an/,7,1390262550.0,"http://imgur.com/oAWuM0b + +This is quite an exchange! One guy claims the flu shot gave him the flu. Someone else links him credible source that you can't get the flu from the flu shot. First guy doesn't seem to quite get it.",2014-01-21 02:02:30 +"For all we know, there could be some other substance that deliberately alters our immune system keeping us reliant on pharmaceuticals and such",3,1vo1y1,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1vheac/i_think_the_most_sensical_argument_against/,1,1390250491.0,,2014-01-20 22:41:31 +Bill 'totally Hitler' Gates,5,1vo1pe,http://i.imgur.com/p2bVgh8.jpg,1,1390250190.0,,2014-01-20 22:36:30 +So Sure,12,1vnptz,http://i.imgur.com/EJAroDY.jpg,2,1390234241.0,,2014-01-20 18:10:41 +500%,3,1vmdvn,http://i.imgur.com/T1Duy0Z.jpg,2,1390197828.0,,2014-01-20 08:03:48 +Was told to submit this here.,13,1vm35h,http://www.livememe.com/tk1jo2p,2,1390190572.0,,2014-01-20 06:02:52 +Not worth the risk. Vaccines have thimerosil in them and I don't want mercury in my body or my son's body. I'll take my chances with measles,4,1viwzr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/VACCINES/comments/1l1itq/i_came_here_because_i_am_antivaccines/cbvvj09,2,1390086472.0,,2014-01-19 01:07:52 +"""There's trust issues between First Nations and the government and when they say we're going to prioritize, we want to keep you healthy, people are like, 'Uh, what's in that shot?'",0,1vhdmh,http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/first-nations-woman-struggles-with-flu-shot-decision-1.2499613,1,1390027578.0,,2014-01-18 08:46:18 +Peanut oil in vaccines behind widespread peanut allergy epidemic,3,1vguin,http://www.naturalnews.com/039192_peanut_oil_vaccines_allergies.html,1,1390015298.0,,2014-01-18 05:21:38 +"The flu never killed anyone, the Spanish Flu was just a hoax: it was actually aspirin poisoning!",6,1vgwyb,http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/10/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over-freedom-of-information-act-documents-from-uk-reveal-30-years-of-coverup/,2,1390016871.0,,2014-01-18 05:47:51 +It should be up to the parents to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children. Vaccines are not risk-free.,1,1vgv93,http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpqau,5,1390015769.0,,2014-01-18 05:29:29 +I'm sure you all understand scientific theory is theory because science itself admits it doesn't fucking know... But all of you on your high horses with your bro-knowledge and half read studies know this and are being close minded gits because you've read more than everyone else and know more,2,1vg1kr,http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/certzjj,3,1389995273.0,,2014-01-17 23:47:53 +Let's not forget vaccines come from big pharma. Billions and billions are at stake if a cure is found.,4,1vftqd,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cersb9f,1,1389985302.0,,2014-01-17 21:01:42 +of course there's no connection. Its not like the vaccine schedule has more than doubled and we have gone from 1 in 400 to 1 in 80.,0,1vft6m,http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/certau8,2,1389984447.0,,2014-01-17 20:47:27 +If you find the truth they destroy you. Sadly most people don't think twice about what is in the vaccination. The FDA is hardly seeing oversight on anything they deem safe.,0,1vfras,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cersso5,1,1389981413.0,,2014-01-17 19:56:53 +"Never fails, if you want to bring out the comment bots, shill posters, paid plants and computer generated public opinion spinning bots in the reddit comment section, talk about vax.",0,1vfqr8,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerskme,1,1389980559.0,,2014-01-17 19:42:39 +Why Trust Scientists?,25,1vfnb9,http://i.imgur.com/M9F9c70.jpg,1,1389975405.0,,2014-01-17 18:16:45 +"You are pathetic, and so are the paid shills that produce these ""results"". Fuck you, go to hell and stop spreading your bullshit to the rest of the world, and hopefully, maybe some day your shitty country gets blown off the map.",2,1vfn9l,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerr3vt,1,1389975328.0,,2014-01-17 18:15:28 +"Why do so many people in this thread demand that parents vaccinate kids? There is legitimate concern that vaccines are dangerous, therefor parents have the right to choose.",0,1vfn56,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerr6ht,1,1389975138.0,,2014-01-17 18:12:18 +the vaccine cocktail that is pushed on every child unless their parents fight it can cause all sorts of problems. Not to mention that drug companies have been known to use harmful substances such as mercury to extend the shelf life of the product.,0,1vfn3t,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerr6oa,1,1389975089.0,,2014-01-17 18:11:29 +Of course the scumbags in the pharmacutical industry heads got him banned easily after talking to the scumbags in londonstan . See instead of having sex with the top guy in the pharmaceutical industry to secure your job you have to be pro murdering childrens future,1,1vfn14,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerrexk,1,1389974998.0,,2014-01-17 18:09:58 +"Revoked?!? It's research, not to mention this individual's passion. A big old fuck you to whomever revoked is life's work!",1,1vfmze,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerrka6,1,1389974918.0,,2014-01-17 18:08:38 +"has anyone seen the video of Dr. Maurice Hilleman who developed measles, mumps, hep a, hep b, chickenpox, meninigits, pneumonia vaccines with Merck admit to putting cancer viruses in the vaccines",3,1vfmyb,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerrlmx,1,1389974876.0,,2014-01-17 18:07:56 +"And while Dr. Wakefield has been persecuted and prosecuted to the extent of being unable to legally practice medicine because of his discovery, he has instead become a best-selling author, the founder of the Strategic Autism Initiative, and the Director of the Autism Media Channel",4,1vfm16,http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/08/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism.html?m=1,2,1389973626.0,,2014-01-17 17:47:06 +look into the false allegations made against Dr. Wakefield and the pressure put onto the medical board via the vaccine manufacturers which led to his license being revoked.. further.. a new study published in december 2013 verifies Dr. Wakefields findings..,0,1vflqa,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpa02,1,1389973206.0,,2014-01-17 17:40:06 +"Except by the dozen or so studies on similar inflammatory bowel disease (the object of his study), that have. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.",2,1vfllz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpxvp,1,1389973061.0,,2014-01-17 17:37:41 +Vaccinations for diseases are fine. Flu shots every year is stupid. Our glorious human race and its immune system is going to become so fragile that we'll soon be sending people to the ER for a cold.,0,1vflkb,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpa7r,1,1389972998.0,,2014-01-17 17:36:38 +"Aids was started by polio vaccine, in africa, this is a fact. They would create the polio vaccine in actual monkeys, and they cut some corners used a local monkey, and boom AIDS!",2,1vflir,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqkcc,1,1389972942.0,,2014-01-17 17:35:42 +I have seen the eyes of healthy children go to blank stares immediately after massive immunizations suddenly unable to track movement or even make eye contact with a parent again. As the owner of a preschool this cause/effect is described in detail every year at enrollment time by new parents,1,1vflgr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqmdl,1,1389972858.0,,2014-01-17 17:34:18 +This is propaganda by a pro vaccine organisation.,0,1vfldu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpzbv,1,1389972750.0,,2014-01-17 17:32:30 +"Hey retards, this is just more evidence of the conspiracy to cover up the link between vaccines and autisim. But keep spreading propaganda like good little fascists.....",1,1vflbr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqpw2,1,1389972684.0,,2014-01-17 17:31:24 +"vaccinations do fuck up some kids, my son's chicken pox vaccination was later recalled for too much mercury, I can't say for sure if that's why he has a broad spectrum of food allergies, as there's probably more than one factor",1,1vflam,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqoys,0,1389972650.0,,2014-01-17 17:30:50 +"I have 3 children who have NEVER been vaccinated and their 21, 17, 15, and doing perfectly fine. In-fact have never been sick a day in their life. On another note myself who has had every vaccination you can think of has had all types of problems with health.",1,1vfl7s,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerprku,1,1389972559.0,,2014-01-17 17:29:19 +It's simple logic that they are potentially developmentally damaging unless the ppm allowances established by the FDA are drastically lowered. I'm surprised with you all. Pandering Big Pharma's utter horsecrap and the illogical media response to a lousy research paper.,1,1vfl6d,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqsh4,0,1389972513.0,,2014-01-17 17:28:33 +If the government is going to make it illegal for families to sue the manufacturer (Big Pharma) and force them to go to a special court just for vaccine cases (where they all lose) they have shown that nothing and nobody will get in the way of distributing it.,1,1vfl59,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpxyt,0,1389972472.0,,2014-01-17 17:27:52 +Anybody care to explain the recent Vaccine-settlement specific court that awarded a family a large sum of money for their son who started showing signs of autism after his vaccination?,1,1vfkz6,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpvnk,0,1389972278.0,,2014-01-17 17:24:38 +Eugenics Today: How Vaccines Are Used to Sterilize the Masses,1,1va1il,http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/14/eugenics-today-how-vaccines-are-used-to-sterilize-the-masses/,1,1389828075.0,,2014-01-16 01:21:15 +GUMMY BEARS PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS AND VACCINES MADE OUT OF PEOPLE,1,1v8b9l,http://rawforbeauty.me/news/gummy-bears-pharmaceutical-drugs-and-vaccines-made-out-of-people/,1,1389770822.0,,2014-01-15 09:27:02 +"You don't know what a vaccine is, you don't know that by law no vaccine causes immunity to anything, and you're dumb enough to line up to get injected, which says all that needs to be about your (lack of) intelligence",1,1v8121,http://np.reddit.com/r/taoism/comments/1ux8vo/what_are_some_of_your_greatest_epiphanies_and/cepl3zs,1,1389764617.0,,2014-01-15 07:43:37 +"I've encountered so many parents in my social circle who have kids with various problems... ranging from auto immune disorders, to ASD.... everyone of them - it happened within a month of a vaccination",1,1v7p3u,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1qdt9m/rise_in_autism_rates_go_handinhand_with_increased/cdbuvk8?context=3,1,1389757488.0,,2014-01-15 05:44:48 +"I will continue to refuse getting vaccines and flu shots that contain mercury as a preservative. Wait...that is what Thimerosal is....there you go, why are they using one of the most toxic elements to humans as a preservative?",1,1v6uvz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1v68dt/new_study_vaccine_additive_thimerosal_associated/cep45t1,1,1389736616.0,,2014-01-14 23:56:56 +Be The First To Like This,0,1v6ex5,http://www.imgur.com/H66wJmE.png,1,1389714403.0,,2014-01-14 17:46:43 +200 healthy children have died of influenza in the last 10 years. They're more likely to be shot by police as adults. This does not mean we should vaccinate the entire child population.,1,1v3pad,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1uy46j/reddit_what_is_your_opinions_on_vaccinations/cemt77p,1,1389644234.0,,2014-01-13 22:17:14 +Inject That Shit,0,1v3oxn,http://imgur.com/oqHdYpp,2,1389643768.0,,2014-01-13 22:09:28 +"You think I'm angry about you being ignorant, delusional, and injected with cancer cells? I'm laughing at how insane you are and how mad you are at me for not being insane like you, son.",1,1v3dcz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1qq4cm/til_the_cdc_lied_for_50_years_about_injecting/cdhepi6,1,1389626165.0,,2014-01-13 17:16:05 +"Since we did of course run a secret CIA vaccination program to track down where Osama bin Laden was living, it isn't too terrible a stretch that we might be running some depopulation vaccination program as well.",1,1v3d6z,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/j4l27/nigeria_government_vows_to_prosecute_parents_who/c293zzl,1,1389625987.0,,2014-01-13 17:13:07 +There's been a lot of literature out there detailing that vaccines are not good for you at all. I understand that there are a lot of lost and stupid sheeple out there - true (I've seen enough of them here on Reddit as it stands),1,1v3czc,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/12nk59/vaccine_bombshell_baby_monkeys_develop_autism/c6wn1hn,1,1389625758.0,,2014-01-13 17:09:18 +"Dr. Wakefield obviously struck a major nerve with his research, which was quickly torn apart by the establishment and maliciously paraded around as being fraudulent, even though his groundbreaking findings have repeatedly been validated and replicated by many other studies",1,1v3cup,http://www.naturalnews.com/042293_vaccines_autism_medical_studies.html,1,1389625609.0,,2014-01-13 17:06:49 +"Read the studies yourself, research extensively, and do the right thing. Opt out of vaccinations with a religious or philosophical exemption to defend your child. The public schools cannot legally turn you away if you do that, so learn your rights, and use them!",1,1v3cpz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1jr0sk/the_amish_dont_get_autism_and_they_dont_get/cbhiziv,1,1389625463.0,,2014-01-13 17:04:23 +...anyone that begins to even question the safety and efficacy of the numerous and ever-increasing vaccines is immediately vilified and lumped in the same category as Holocaust deniers and the like.,1,1v3cci,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cc3t2/three_hours_after_my_bill_gates_vaccine_post_went/c9f4vua,1,1389625049.0,,2014-01-13 16:57:29 +"I am a father of five unvaccinated children. Am I unfit to be a parent? Or, is it your opinion that I am unfit?",1,1v3c8o,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cc3t2/three_hours_after_my_bill_gates_vaccine_post_went/c9f5gwn,1,1389624948.0,,2014-01-13 16:55:48 +Love Them. Protect Them. Never Inject Them.,1,1v3c3i,http://i.imgur.com/SkB0a6T.jpg,2,1389624787.0,,2014-01-13 16:53:07 +Vaccines Are Just Asping For Trouble,3,1v3brt,http://i.imgur.com/bIPQpbv.jpg,1,1389624451.0,,2014-01-13 16:47:31 +"Dr. Harper explained in her presentation that the cervical cancer risk in the U.S. is already extremely low, and that vaccinations are unlikely to have any effect upon the rate of cervical cancer in the United States",1,1v3blj,http://www.feelguide.com/2013/07/16/lead-developer-of-hpv-vaccines-comes-clean-warns-parents-young-girls-its-all-a-giant-deadly-scam/,1,1389624297.0,,2014-01-13 16:44:57 +Polio arose in the US at a period where pesticide use skyrocketed and was being applied with reckless abandon (like that famous picture where the kids are running through the DDT being sprayed on the beach),1,1v3bh2,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1avqt7/what_if_the_spent_on_polio_vaccine_in_developing/c91jfvq,1,1389624175.0,,2014-01-13 16:42:55 +Comment,1,gx9r5gx,,0,1620422639.0,"I'm not saying there's a chip in it, but if I had to make the argument I would say redundancy. There can never be enough ways to track someone down and the further we get into the future, the harder it will be to truly be off the grid. But again, not saying there's a chip.",2021-05-08 00:23:59 +Comment,1,gwr1mve,,0,1620048807.0,It's immunology 101.,2021-05-03 16:33:27 +Comment,1,gwnxd31,,0,1619994014.0,"""your immune system is preparing itself to handle the actual covid.."" that's not scientific, what a useless information.",2021-05-03 01:20:14 +Comment,0,gwnwdt4,,0,1619993588.0,"Dude, you are such a stereotype. I know a lot of antivaxxers say untrue schizo shit, but.. There are real documented dangers. Even reddit is full of people saying how much they got fucked by a jab.",2021-05-03 01:13:08 +Comment,1,gvyj4mg,,0,1619490475.0," + +[https://nojabforme.info/?fbclid=IwAR0ThruMK6lsXn8tCopVvx9HgYy00LHTECc86BpPXTp2O947dLaqXD1GsP8](https://nojabforme.info/?fbclid=IwAR0ThruMK6lsXn8tCopVvx9HgYy00LHTECc86BpPXTp2O947dLaqXD1GsP8)",2021-04-27 05:27:55 +Comment,0,gvxm3im,,0,1619476397.0,"Most of this comment is wrong + +>If you’re so paranoid that you refuse to believe in science that’s been widely practiced for hundreds of years + +No vaccine in use today has been used for hundreds of years (though that is probably a good thing) + +Also I have already had my first dose + +>then you A.) get a medical exemption, or B.) home school. + +Medical exemptions are only if you have a documented contraindication, and homeschool is impossible for some people, so yes, requiring vaccines for school does in fact force people to take them, some states also require vaccines for homschool + +>But this idea that “They” are pushing to make the vaccine mandatory is laughable to anyone who doesn’t get all their information from Instagram wellness influencers or YouTube videos of guys in MAGA hats screaming in their trucks + +Wrong [https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/article/Editorial-Why-a-COVID-vaccine-for-children-16071946.php](https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/article/Editorial-Why-a-COVID-vaccine-for-children-16071946.php)",2021-04-27 01:33:17 +Comment,0,gvxjrhh,,0,1619475328.0,"No, you aren’t. If you’re so paranoid that you refuse to believe in science that’s been widely practiced for hundreds of years and prefer to instead think that every scientist, every doctor, every nurse, every researcher, every drug company, every drug manufacturer, and every politician in the US is part of some big conspiracy because you have some sEcReT iNfOrMaTiOn then you A.) get a medical exemption, or B.) home school. + +It’s not that complicated. You have the right to say what you do and don’t want to put in your body, and everyone else has the right to say they don’t want to accept the risk of fringe cases who are willing to put their entire community at risk of contracting a potentially deadly and preventable disease so that they don’t have to get a shot that the other 99.9% of people are fine with. It’s a matter of personal responsibility, and your rights end at the tip of everyone else’s nose. + +But this idea that “They” are pushing to make the vaccine mandatory is laughable to anyone who doesn’t get all their information from Instagram wellness influencers or YouTube videos of guys in MAGA hats screaming in their trucks. Even if it was added to the list of suggested vaccines / ones that are required for school, it can’t be done under an EUA and would have to go through the full process for FDA approval, at which point it wouldn’t be “experimental” and antivaxxers would have a polio-crippled leg to stand on.",2021-04-27 01:15:28 +Comment,0,gvx6i9h,,0,1619468172.0,You can still homeschool if you have a problem with mandatory vaccines at public schools. It all depends on just how far you want to take this conviction to be against vaccines.,2021-04-26 23:16:12 +Comment,0,gvwoomp,,0,1619452715.0,">Some states have requirements for school and certain limit jobs, but that’s very different than someone “forcing” you to put something in your body. + +You are forced to go to school though...",2021-04-26 18:58:35 +Comment,1,gvwomx5,,0,1619452669.0,">There have not been any deaths attributed to any of the vaccines + +False [https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447)",2021-04-26 18:57:49 +Comment,1,gvwefyi,,0,1619443944.0,You have strange ideas if you think an unanticipated drug reaction is someone's fault. Are you expecting to hire some antivax greedhead lawyer to sue someone if you break out in hives?,2021-04-26 16:32:24 +Comment,4,gvw65cp,,0,1619438014.0,"You’re not being forced into it though. Nobody is. Who’s this “they” I keep hearing so much about who’s pushing for making it mandatory? I keep hearing anti-vaxxers talk about it like it’s the most obvious thing in the world, but I can’t figure out where they’re getting this shit from. + +There isn’t a single mandatory vaccine in the USA at the federal level. Full stop. Some states have requirements for school and certain limit jobs, but that’s very different than someone “forcing” you to put something in your body.",2021-04-26 14:53:34 +Comment,1,gvuxs3d,,0,1619413713.0,My point exactly if I’m forced to inject something into myself and I have an allergic reaction who’s fault would that be?,2021-04-26 08:08:33 +Comment,2,gvuezkh,,0,1619404766.0,"There have not been any deaths attributed to any of the vaccines, and there isn’t a single chemical compound on the face of the earth that hasn’t had any sort of side effect when given to people. You can literally be allergic to water and you’re primarily made of the stuff.",2021-04-26 05:39:26 +Comment,3,gvueqnp,,0,1619404647.0,"God, this country sucks that this is even a question.",2021-04-26 05:37:27 +Comment,1,gvsb016,,0,1619353203.0,"Aha. Fauci won't let that happen here :) +But seems like it might not need too, we're hogging the vaccines",2021-04-25 15:20:03 +Comment,1,gvr77xy,,0,1619330832.0,Make sure she has all her piercings out,2021-04-25 09:07:12 +Comment,1,gvqvfs7,,0,1619324769.0,Yeah unfortunately where I am the government decided to spread the vaccines out 3-4 months to get more people with their first shot.,2021-04-25 07:26:09 +Comment,2,gvquv6a,,0,1619324474.0,"It doesn't do anything, so the only effect will be on her wallet and being near an anti-science wacko that's probably anti-vaccine and might have covid. + +If your mother had the first Pfizer 2 weeks ago then shouldn't she get the second one in a week's time ? Or are they spreading them out to get more people the first shot where you are ?",2021-04-25 07:21:14 +Comment,2,gvqmc0d,,0,1619320169.0,"Yeah that’s true. Good thing is she doesn’t see her too often. So that gives me enough time to continue talking her up to the vaccine. + +Plus I’m pretty sure my mom is committed to it. At least for now. It was a painless effort on her first shot. So thankfully she won’t think much about getting the 2nd.",2021-04-25 06:09:29 +Comment,2,gvq8gnr,,0,1619313355.0,I’d be more worried about the person she sees trying to talk her out of getting the shot. Anti-vaxxism is a *huge* problem in the alt-health world.,2021-04-25 04:15:55 +Comment,2,gvq7fp9,,0,1619312864.0,"Yeah the 2nd one. + +She always goes to see this person that puts magnets all over her body and finds convenient “viruses” to explain what is going on with her. + +I know it’s not real so I haven’t said much to her about it letting her go to it cause she’s convinced it makes her feel better. + +I’m just hoping that these magnets don’t do anything to the efficacy of the current vaccine she has, is all. I feel weird asking it but here we are lol.",2021-04-25 04:07:44 +Comment,2,gvq5dfj,,0,1619311931.0,"Are you talking transcranial magnet stimulation, or the alternative medicine “magnet therapy” that the wellness influencers like to talk up? TMS is a legitimate medical therapy, and that’s a question for a doctor. Magnetic therapy is essentially a placebo at best, and should have the same chances of contraindication with a vaccination as homeopathic pills that are 99.99999999% water.",2021-04-25 03:52:11 +Comment,1,gvazbzl,,0,1619025047.0,"Actually if you want to take your argument to its logical conclusion, you cant prove the world exists. Maybe all the antivaxxers are trapped in some kind of Matrix nightmare. Maybe you are the only sentient being in the universe and everything you experience is an illusion. You cant prove it isnt so!",2021-04-21 20:10:47 +Comment,1,gv5sqsy,,0,1618916373.0,"Chickenpox used to be almost universal among children before the chickenpox vaccine. So you probably had it when very young. 1 in 3 adults who had chickenpox can later get shingles, sometimes more than once. No relation to MMR.",2021-04-20 13:59:33 +Comment,1,gudpesi,,0,1618356602.0,"Luckily, my symptoms only lasted 1/2 day. I'm happy to feel a bit less anxiety around ppl.",2021-04-14 02:30:02 +Comment,1,gudmocb,,0,1618355395.0," I felt similar things after my 2nd Pfizer vaccine. It all passed within a couple of days. This only means the vaccine is doing its job, and your immune system is preparing itself to handle the actual Covid pathogens.",2021-04-14 02:09:55 +Comment,1,gu50r0o,,0,1618169502.0,Do you have any evidence that what he says is not barking mad?,2021-04-11 22:31:42 +Comment,1,gts0g97,,0,1617888762.0,"you imply as if what he is saying is not true? + +why do you seek to misconstrue truth as false, so you can gain the accolades and applauses of the sheep?",2021-04-08 16:32:42 +Comment,2,gtg52mq,,0,1617655581.0,"Thee can't doth the alternating caps thing. T wast ov'r ere t did start + +*** + + + +^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) + +Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`",2021-04-05 23:46:21 +Comment,1,gtg51sx,,0,1617655567.0,You can't do the alternating caps thing. It was over before it started,2021-04-05 23:46:07 +Comment,3,gtf7kh5,,0,1617627103.0,"Was there, can confirm, it gets funnier too",2021-04-05 15:51:43 +Comment,1,gt9bjtf,,0,1617496400.0,When I got my first covid shot I asked my nurse (I did warn her first I was totally joking) if my microchip would activate immediately after she injected it or if I had to do something afterwards. She laughed so hard. Glad I could make her laugh as she was having a busy and hectic day,2021-04-04 03:33:20 +Comment,1,gt1egbq,,0,1617318774.0,YOU'RE,2021-04-02 02:12:54 +Comment,3,gt0cxc2,,0,1617295129.0,Quality shitpost for this fine fine holiday.,2021-04-01 19:38:49 +Comment,3,gt0cwa2,,0,1617295106.0,"I think you missed the joke here. By the way, what is the date?",2021-04-01 19:38:26 +Comment,1,gt02b62,,0,1617285329.0, 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️,2021-04-01 16:55:29 +Comment,0,gt0093o,,0,1617283679.0,You're an idiot.,2021-04-01 16:27:59 +Comment,-2,gszopad,,0,1617275894.0,STOP LYING!,2021-04-01 14:18:14 +Comment,-2,gszok2r,,0,1617275809.0,WHU AN I BEING DOWNCOTED!!!!!,2021-04-01 14:16:49 +Comment,-5,gszoihv,,0,1617275782.0,YOUR PROBABLY PAID BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO SAY THIS!,2021-04-01 14:16:22 +Comment,-3,gszo9fo,,0,1617275634.0,Shut the hell up! You know vaccines are bad!,2021-04-01 14:13:54 +Comment,5,gszo33q,,0,1617275529.0,"This needs sources + +EDIT: look at OP's userpage, this is a downvotes troll",2021-04-01 14:12:09 +Comment,1,gsvanfl,,0,1617183803.0,"When someone mentions the microchips, I say the same thing. I go along with it and ask how do you know you only get one and not several?! Their reactions are priceless.",2021-03-31 12:43:23 +Comment,1,gsva0qy,,0,1617183460.0,"Did she have Covid at some point prior to her vaccination? That can create a stronger reaction. + +Everyone reacts differently. My grandma was fine while my husband’s grandma had aches and dizziness.",2021-03-31 12:37:40 +Comment,1,gsazbvq,,0,1616803334.0,"Best answer I can come up with: +Fever and body aches are symptoms from the innate immune system ramping up. + +But if your adaptive immune system (the kind of immunity you want from a vaccine) can take care of the antigens before they trigger an innate immune response, then those symptoms won't be as strong, if they're present at all. + +Your immune system isn't *stronger,* *per se,* just you had already started developing the adaptive response and your sister relied more on an innate response. Two weeks after your second shots, you both should have comparable immunity to COVID. :)",2021-03-27 02:02:14 +Comment,1,gs7wrsi,,0,1616735718.0,"*sigh* + +Am I really gonna go pull all my immunology notes from school? +Well, I might when I get home from work. ;P",2021-03-26 07:15:18 +Comment,1,gs50ye7,,0,1616678427.0,This is a serious subject and antivaxxer replies are often so off the wall it is hard to separate them from parody.,2021-03-25 15:20:27 +Comment,2,gs4m5rj,,0,1616669047.0,"I don't think scientists know the answer to that. + +But I'd like to know. I got pretty tired, it would be nice to know it's because I'm super-protected :)",2021-03-25 12:44:07 +Comment,1,gs48w9e,,0,1616662260.0,You honestly thought my reply was serious?,2021-03-25 10:51:00 +Comment,1,gs3v2ut,,0,1616655566.0,"> Fever and chills means the immune system is making the antibodies for the COVID spike protein, so that’s not an issue at all. + +Oh yeah? So if people don't have the chills and a fever **it must mean** their immune system is NOT making the supposed antibodies. Therefore, the people who died, or felt nothing means that the injection didn't work properly. + +> I got the second dose on Friday, was sick all of Saturday, and completely fine on Sunday. Get your head out of your ass. + +Sounds very much like the girl who just died from the injection: + +[Ms. Penrod responded that she had her fingers crossed that March 10 would be the last day of her symptoms and it “goes away.” The next day she said she was feeling better “for the most part.” That was the last comment she made on Facebook. Ms. Penrod died on Wednesday, March 17, becoming the youngest victim this blog has covered for all of the experimental shots.](https://thecovidblog.com/2021/03/22/desiree-penrod-25-year-old-connecticut-educator-dead-one-week-after-johnson-johnson-viral-vector-shot/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=9edd43552370ae2990a4f3fab5013ee6851076f0-1616626641-0-ASifwr7C4GJTz0MkRFBIeRmRnsS58PVhw8eRRx9lK22ofAXbyR8wILt5cVGSYrNHJGENvOkGOSRMbIPbMVOfVbiLVoP9k_xOs31AVfhwD45uxkv1VzzsMonfhZWAjEBzWzjI-7_9aQnyjZCYTQ_TN-VXtUxaTnG9tjkNwkR-q2QTkB7NsW4ykAwqukYBKS87FHUQ0dBVS5Va0GUWi8vr-ACqw17dgD7nmljI-tEpAZL9uDGneAUg6z_gcjQ6Sggxqic1z81lVINghEqKUggHKKT5qhbhi0-KAVwcAUH1IRU35V6zlfm_Y5jMWSn0zesekAR6ocTi5OuorCLPb2ypm4eU3m2tCltQR-h1kIdNfvTLOe7I4BDNYER2BR0Ol_nws01W5r-RfSZChVLadIplXkr7k_nLn9wH2XtzxsmqTQRZ0VKxRj1SWF46cxu27cfeAUNddMAdUIgqyfzLIvmFu28) + +Peace Out ;)",2021-03-25 08:59:26 +Comment,1,gs3tsum,,0,1616654965.0,"Fever and chills means the immune system is making the antibodies for the COVID spike protein, so that’s not an issue at all. I got the second dose on Friday, was sick all of Saturday, and completely fine on Sunday. Get your head out of your ass.",2021-03-25 08:49:25 +Comment,2,gs3t4jt,,0,1616654650.0,"You do know that every cell in our body has RNA, right? And it’s not exactly unknown",2021-03-25 08:44:10 +Comment,1,gs3iy1k,,0,1616649973.0,The way to prevent viral mutation optimally would be to immunize everyone against it. Viruses can only mutate when replicating in hosts. With no hosts available cant mutate.,2021-03-25 07:26:13 +Comment,1,gs3innr,,0,1616649844.0,"Please cite a serious reference that ""everyone has swole polio in their brains""? Whatever ""swole polio"" may be. Everyone else sees that thanks to vaccines the rate of death or paralysis from polio has plummeted.",2021-03-25 07:24:04 +Comment,1,gs3iadk,,0,1616649676.0,I think you will find most people these days who invent something in engineering or science have substantial education behind them. Technology is a lot more complicated than in the days of Thomas Edison or Henry Ford,2021-03-25 07:21:16 +Comment,1,gs3hsd4,,0,1616649446.0,"Also of course others OTF might even take you seriously. People have a responsibility to correct misinformation, particularly when that misinformation can kill.",2021-03-25 07:17:26 +Comment,4,gs3c1iv,,0,1616646959.0,You keep using words but its clear you don't know what they mean.,2021-03-25 06:35:59 +Comment,2,gs39vbp,,0,1616646036.0,Understandable. But Imma tell a you straight away. Viruses don't need that in order to mutate. Especially the covid kind. There's a reason why there is a new normal flu one every year.,2021-03-25 06:20:36 +Comment,1,gs37erw,,0,1616645011.0,Because I would hope you'd be open minded and would actually change your mind when facts are presented to you.,2021-03-25 06:03:31 +Comment,1,gs379np,,0,1616644951.0,"One last question! If you think it’s bullshit, why are you arguing with me? Why are you trying to prove me wrong? +If u think i’m an idiot why would you shrink to my level? As I can see you have a lot of time.",2021-03-25 06:02:31 +Comment,1,gs365w2,,0,1616644499.0,"""Who is stupid to die for!""? You, I suppose, being pro-disease",2021-03-25 05:54:59 +Comment,1,gs352ko,,0,1616644046.0,Aki hülye haljon bele!,2021-03-25 05:47:26 +Comment,1,gs33ehk,,0,1616643346.0,Your own source proved you wrong. Sit down.,2021-03-25 05:35:46 +Comment,1,gs337ck,,0,1616643265.0,"But when the thing that they are trying to claim as the ""truth"" is a misconception cleared up by the people who actually have studied for decades in actual scientific ways instead of contrarian bullshit quack health sites, it's not OK, it's dangerous in fact. I wouldn't advise someone on what to do about cancer, I'd tell them to go to a damn oncologist!",2021-03-25 05:34:25 +Comment,0,gs322kn,,0,1616642803.0,Welcome to the apocalypse!,2021-03-25 05:26:43 +Comment,0,gs2zvg0,,0,1616641902.0,"Why can’t someone tell the thruth and convince someone without a degree? +I don’t now why does that count! Most inventors didn’t go to university but they changed the world !",2021-03-25 05:11:42 +Comment,1,gs2y2h3,,0,1616641151.0,He litterally comes out in support of vaccines here. And even if he didn't one person's opinion doesn't nullify 99.99% of scientists and basic immunology.,2021-03-25 04:59:11 +Comment,0,gs2xeur,,0,1616640883.0,I don’t have one but maybe he will convince you: https://youtu.be/YmWFsk1fa9s,2021-03-25 04:54:43 +Comment,0,gs2ua1r,,0,1616639574.0,"This happened with polio. It totally got stronger after...uh.. the vaccine eradicated it. Now everyone has swole polio (swolio, if you will) in their brains. Thanks a lot, science.",2021-03-25 04:32:54 +Comment,0,gs2u1uq,,0,1616639480.0,"Don’t take the animation seriously! I just wanted to illusrtrate that if we choose the vaccine with not the weakened virus (to prevent the immune system to produce the anti-virus throughout the serious sickness, but produce it before the person gets sick.) it can cause problems! Because if someone didn’t now the vaccine: moderna contains the RNA of Covid 19 wich only prepares the body to attack the virus with the informations of the RNA wich only contains tha half part of the DNA. It won’t know everything about it. And that’s when the virus will mutate. It changes it’s properties which have been uncovered to the body. I DON’T WANT TO REBEL AGAINST THE VACCINES! I’M JUST AFRAID OF THAT IT MAY GET WORSE THAN IT IS NOW IF WE CHOOSE THE WRONG POSSIBILITY!",2021-03-25 04:31:20 +Comment,2,gs2f37b,,0,1616633158.0,Do you have any idea of how vaccines work?,2021-03-25 02:45:58 +Comment,1,gs28k4r,,0,1616630436.0,Where is your immunology PHD?,2021-03-25 02:00:36 +Comment,1,gs1j4wf,,0,1616618919.0,"> they contain a weakened form of the virus + +False. + +> Sure, in theory they could tell us that that was what was in them and put something else in + +Exactly. There is no telling what is in that bottle. They all could be the same exact thing from all companies, just withdifferent labels. Could be anything under the sun. + +> the results we see from taking vaccines are exactly what you would expect from the stated ingredients + +Death, vision issues, increased heart rate, more death, chills, fevers, prolonged headaches, nightmares, hives, death, the wobbles, sunken face, death, etc. Yeah.",2021-03-24 22:48:39 +Comment,1,gs18fyh,,0,1616611652.0,"Well, me, for one. It's easily researchable. Simple answer: they contain a weakened form of the virus along with a handful of other ingredients like antibiotics and preservatives (Gelatin & MSG - both commonly used in foods). +Sure, in theory they could tell us that that was what was in them and put something else in but in practice the results we see from taking vaccines are exactly what you would expect from the stated ingredients",2021-03-24 20:47:32 +Comment,1,gs1255r,,0,1616605626.0,you can look up all these statements - they are indeed facts!,2021-03-24 19:07:06 +Comment,1,grx2ueq,,0,1616529071.0,Maybe with intradermal implantation so it stays put,2021-03-23 21:51:11 +Comment,1,grx2pze,,0,1616528988.0,SARS-1 and MERS dont exist any more so why should anyone produce a vaccine against them? People have been working on AIDS for decades but retroviruses are particularly difficult to vaccinate against. We could create an effective flu vaccine if we were sure which of the many variants would appear in a given year. At the moment current covid vaccines have moderate to great effectiveness against current strains but it is possible vaccines may need to be tweaked a bit if more resistant variants emerge. The mRNA technology fortunately allows more rapid development and modification of vaccines.,2021-03-23 21:49:48 +Comment,1,grvgfr9,,0,1616487265.0,"Who **really** knows what is in that bottle of fluid that is being injected? You can't smell it or taste it. Could be sugar water or could be particles of an unknown material. This is why wild speculations are abound. We don't know what is being injected. + +That is why no one can disprove the conspiracies of microchips to snake oil in those bottles. ;)",2021-03-23 10:14:25 +Comment,1,gruvmun,,0,1616476981.0,Good and accurate summary of debating points but would be far more useful if you added references to your statements,2021-03-23 07:23:01 +Comment,1,gr8jdbd,,0,1616018017.0,"People thought the 95% efficacy was for the virus. This is a myth. Listen to Fauci on March 10, 2021.",2021-03-17 23:53:37 +Comment,1,gr7yw2o,,0,1616003079.0,Also....the vax comes in a multi-dose vial....how ya gonna put chips in it?,2021-03-17 19:44:39 +Comment,1,gphuli4,,0,1614771236.0,"As of today we have 0 vaccines for SARS AIDS MERS combined + +And the flu vaccine which was developed 70 years ago, changes every year, because the flu virus changes every year, and showed efficacy of 40.25% on average for the past 16 years + +And what? 90+ % efficacy from something made in 2 days and tested over 9 months? + +And what about the variants? + +South Africa / Switzerland already rejected AZ Oxford vaccine because they saw it did not show efficacy against the South African variant",2021-03-03 13:33:56 +Comment,1,gorgm3j,,0,1614321114.0,This is a hard no for me and I know vaccines work. We've had pandemics in the past and we've overcame them without having to give public knowledge of who's been vaccinated and who hasn't. This is a violation of HIPAA and shouldn't be taken lightly if countries try to impose this rule.,2021-02-26 08:31:54 +Comment,1,go42h1h,,0,1613851597.0,Olé!,2021-02-20 22:06:37 +Comment,3,go09um4,,0,1613772773.0,"Link without the amp: +https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact",2021-02-20 00:12:53 +Comment,1,gmkvh00,,0,1612820241.0,"This is actually a spam bot that reposts old posts to get you to go to a site that gives you spyware. This is just a robot, and I found this post when I was looking through its account.",2021-02-08 23:37:21 +Comment,1,gmbz6vo,,0,1612697878.0,My direction is always straight to the gutter. Well played sir.,2021-02-07 13:37:58 +Comment,2,gmbxnea,,0,1612697297.0,"Well I got the shingles. +I got nothing on my dingle +I am clear to mingle +Tho I am sadly not single + + +This seemed like the direction you were going",2021-02-07 13:28:17 +Comment,1,gmbedc1,,0,1612690935.0,You got the herpes shingles from the herpes chicken pox. Herpes sucks.,2021-02-07 11:42:15 +Comment,1,gmb7qrf,,0,1612689052.0,"I recently told someone, i would be happy if Dolly Parton added a chip to her Moderna vaccine. I didn’t get the Moderna vaccine, but if She wants to track me she is welcome.",2021-02-07 11:10:52 +Comment,5,gmaor6e,,0,1612683095.0,"You cannot catch shingles from a vaccine you got, as none of those vaccines you list contain the virus that caused shingles, whether the blatant virus in your body was able to flare up due to immune system effects of the vaccine is a question for r/Immunology",2021-02-07 09:31:35 +Comment,8,gma01gs,,0,1612675575.0,"At your age, you probably did have chicken pox as a kid. The MMR vaccine won’t cause it, though. The virus just resurfaced and you got shingles",2021-02-07 07:26:15 +Comment,1,glha29j,,0,1612130237.0,"They had a web site that asked about 10 basic questions and it told you if you qualified for the trial. If you qualified then they said they would call you for your first appointment which lasts 3 or 4 hours. There is a trial search site online. + +They filled up the one I’m in for J&J, but opened a second one for a 2 shot version - my wife is getting her first shot in that trial tomorrow. + +You also get paid, I’ve gotten $260 so far, $150 for first visit.",2021-01-31 23:57:17 +Comment,1,glg70ip,,0,1612097687.0,That is way too logical!,2021-01-31 14:54:47 +Comment,1,glg51y3,,0,1612096511.0,How did you go about being in the trials?,2021-01-31 14:35:11 +Comment,1,gkw4nmd,,0,1611737327.0,"Summary of information from the AMA (source below): The pandemic slows down as we reach herd immunity through a combination of infection and vaccination. Experts estimate that, based on how contagious COVID-19 is, about 70% of the population would need to be immune for herd immunity to be effective. Keep in mind as well that none of the vaccines are 100% effective. But overall probably about 230 million people would need to be immune through a combination of infection and vaccination. + +https://youtu.be/A3fuhAmpLOc",2021-01-27 10:48:47 +Comment,1,gkmnn8b,,0,1611548326.0,are you having a stroke?,2021-01-25 06:18:46 +Comment,1,gkmbqdj,,0,1611542577.0,Dude this is a Wendy's,2021-01-25 04:42:57 +Comment,1,gkm1dw2,,0,1611539578.0,What's up with the title?,2021-01-25 03:52:58 +Comment,0,gklk4sq,,0,1611535117.0,Tell them you don't want their FREE candy or gift cards to take the vaccine,2021-01-25 02:38:37 +Comment,1,gkljptk,,0,1611535041.0,Do your research and not on Google. Yes it is possible,2021-01-25 02:37:21 +Comment,2,gjp3gki,,0,1610980322.0,I think it’s absolutely fine to censor Anti-vaccine information on social media. Less people that see it the less that will be radicalized.,2021-01-18 16:32:02 +Comment,3,gjoys0y,,0,1610976947.0,De-platforming or not propagating dangerously false information is not censorship.,2021-01-18 15:35:47 +Comment,3,gjo901c,,0,1610961943.0,Misinformation propagates more misinformation. They will gobble up any info that agrees with them (makes them a kind of sheep too). Don't give them more ammunition.,2021-01-18 11:25:43 +Comment,4,gjnxotv,,0,1610956037.0,Yes. That's because people are dumb and there are always going to be those two that believe everything. Also it's not a harmless conspiracy like flat earth. It's extremely dangerous as it can lead to the death of several individuals.,2021-01-18 09:47:17 +Comment,4,gjnqv2r,,0,1610952662.0,"it's alright. why bother if it's bullshit? antivaxxers brought back measles to the USA, even if the propaganda is bullshit. + +and judging by your wording, you're antivaxx yourself. why are you here if you trust your 'information' so much?",2021-01-18 08:51:02 +Comment,5,gjn9k1y,,0,1610944958.0,"This is part of a larger conversation re censorship. In this case, I think it appropriate to censor people who spread misinformation in order to profit from the misinformation (buy my book, buy my vitamins, pay to attend my seminar or join my club).",2021-01-18 06:42:38 +Comment,2,gj9hmzq,,0,1610683084.0,That would be odd. I write vaccine recommendations for a job.,2021-01-15 05:58:04 +Comment,-1,gj9h28s,,0,1610682819.0,what are you talking about? baseless accusation.,2021-01-15 05:53:39 +Comment,-1,gj9h1g6,,0,1610682809.0,it really isn't. are you antivax?,2021-01-15 05:53:29 +Comment,0,gj8rrdi,,0,1610671518.0,"I'm pro vaccine, what are you talking about? Are you a troll too?",2021-01-15 02:45:18 +Comment,2,gj8bswv,,0,1610664061.0,"Quoting Ben Goldacre...I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that. + +Oh, and _citations needed_.",2021-01-15 00:41:01 +Comment,4,gj84kh1,,0,1610659916.0,Hello anti-vax troll!,2021-01-14 23:31:56 +Comment,3,gj7hc3e,,0,1610638655.0,I'm not quite sure I understand your point. You have absolutely no citations to the things that you are putting out there. Are you just ranting or something?,2021-01-14 17:37:35 +Comment,-1,gj7ebpo,,0,1610635950.0,"Oh good, you're back. Missed your very subtle antivaxx comments.",2021-01-14 16:52:30 +Comment,1,gj7cc3p,,0,1610634308.0,Hyper Dunning–Kruger,2021-01-14 16:25:08 +Comment,3,gj6dt2g,,0,1610614197.0,"See my comment here [https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiVaxxers/comments/kwt3x4/scientifically\_proven\_verified\_and\_established/gj6cdn1?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiVaxxers/comments/kwt3x4/scientifically_proven_verified_and_established/gj6cdn1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) + +I point out the total lack of sources, and several demonstrably false and implausibly claims, I think OP is an antivaxer tryign to make pro vaxxers look dumb",2021-01-14 10:49:57 +Comment,2,gj6bv8i,,0,1610613210.0,"they are so dumb, arent they....",2021-01-14 10:33:30 +Comment,4,gj6app3,,0,1610612630.0,You can never win a debate with an antivaxxer. Knowing you have good information just makes it worse when they throw shit at you and declare victory.,2021-01-14 10:23:50 +Comment,1,gj55vk8,,0,1610593964.0,"This article really seems to just be asking what ifs and then he comes to the conclusion that if you can be vaccinated, you should be. I don’t know why the covid vaccine would contain penicillin, so unless you do have atopy, there wouldn’t be any reason to be worried.",2021-01-14 05:12:44 +Comment,0,gj3b6zh,,0,1610551515.0,"There are pros and cons to everything in this world my friend, even something like aspirine as cons. The cons in the article refer to my atopy and subsequent allergic reaction to it. More cons, it's difficult to store, and hard to prepare. But as I state, it's worth while the risk. Nothing weird at all, I guess you didn’t even check my CDC link, next time please read don't skim. And please be gentle! Stay safe my friend, keep others safe, and get vaccinated. The pros are vastly superior to the cons.",2021-01-13 17:25:15 +Comment,1,gj3acxo,,0,1610550770.0,Never planned no to :D,2021-01-13 17:12:50 +Comment,1,gj3aazg,,0,1610550722.0,"It shouldn't be a problem unless like me you are mildly suffering from atopy. Stay safe and get vaccinated, as it's worth the risk.",2021-01-13 17:12:02 +Comment,2,gj3aaac,,0,1610550704.0,I’m not questioning the allergy. There’s no pros or cons to the vaccine listed as stated in the outset that there would be. That’s all.,2021-01-13 17:11:44 +Comment,1,gj3a0r5,,0,1610550472.0,In what way is it weird may I ask? Have you heard about atopy?,2021-01-13 17:07:52 +Comment,1,gj37w81,,0,1610548645.0,I am also allergic to penicillin. I wouldn’t know how the Covid vaccine would have anything to do with that. Did not cross my mind at all.,2021-01-13 16:37:25 +Comment,1,gj2qfrg,,0,1610537079.0,This article is weird,2021-01-13 13:24:39 +Comment,4,gj21cxd,,0,1610523666.0,"tldr; ""I will feel confident and grateful when finally it will be my turn to be inoculated. I will do it not only for myself but also for my loved ones and for every other person out there.""",2021-01-13 09:41:06 +Comment,1,gitzmwj,,0,1610362539.0,the websites not up yet. but i can put it up tonight and maybe you can help me design better survey questions. we could drive traffic to the site.,2021-01-11 12:55:39 +Comment,1,gitzjd5,,0,1610362489.0,i just created a website w anonymous survey. i didn’t publish it yet bc i don’t have clinician support. i’m a healthcare data analyst. i want to track the side effects of the vaccines. please contact me if you can. the website will be www.mycovidvaccinestory.com.,2021-01-11 12:54:49 +Comment,1,gigp873,,0,1610080011.0,"One of many reposter spam bots, report and downvote 20 of their posts.",2021-01-08 06:26:51 +Comment,5,giff67v,,0,1610059080.0,Quit stealing images. Downvote this poster.,2021-01-08 00:38:00 +Comment,3,gid6ofh,,0,1610007305.0,This is astonishingly selfish. Leave the Pfizer vaccine to others if he is already vaccinated. Consider him extremely lucky for getting the Chinese one in the first place.,2021-01-07 10:15:05 +Comment,0,gibpifm,,0,1609984015.0,Thank you very much.,2021-01-07 03:46:55 +Comment,5,gib5ime,,0,1609974825.0,"Please don't. If you get your father vaccinated twice, that is denying someone else's father to get vaccinated at all. I understand the concern. But don't be selfish. + +Maybe get his antibody levels tested for reassurance and definitely wait until everyone else has had a chance to get the vaccine before doubling up. There are many of us that are still on strict lock down and barely getting through each day as we pray that our high-risk loved ones can get the shot before catching the disease that would probably kill them.",2021-01-07 01:13:45 +Comment,3,giavrdu,,0,1609969471.0,"You go to any laboratory and ask for a immunological profile for Sars cov2. You ask to have both IgM and IgG for Sars cov 2 done. + +These tests are usually paid by the patient, not by hospitals so expect to be paying. Shouldn't be too expensive though. + +IgM shows an acute infection, but in Sars Cov 2, they fade away slower. But the IgG shows the protective antibody number. Depending on the laboratory's ranges, you'll see if you have a high enough number to be protected. + +If the patient is protected, they don't need a new vaccine too soon.",2021-01-06 23:44:31 +Comment,0,giat7ly,,0,1609967826.0,How do I check that? Please advise.,2021-01-06 23:17:06 +Comment,7,giarx05,,0,1609966919.0,"I'd recommend to first see what IgG sars cov 2 antibody count they have, rather than just havr another vaccine. Why waste a vaccine if the antibody titre is protective?",2021-01-06 23:01:59 +Comment,9,giamwi5,,0,1609962920.0,Should not take Pfizer. No one should be vaccinated twice until all have been vaccinated.,2021-01-06 21:55:20 +Comment,3,ghyky3d,,0,1609716814.0,"I loved this clip for one big reason, the cap is still on the needle...",2021-01-04 01:33:34 +Comment,2,ghqww30,,0,1609556815.0,Just have many chips in there so you're statistically guaranteed to get one one each draw.,2021-01-02 05:06:55 +Comment,1,ghq4lc5,,0,1609545993.0,"Also, how would you draw up the micro chip from a multi use vial?",2021-01-02 02:06:33 +Comment,1,gh9ntef,,0,1609167000.0,"The point is that a 5G implant doesn’t exist, isn’t trivial and can’t be injected with a vaccine needle",2020-12-28 16:50:00 +Comment,1,ggr9qau,,0,1608718875.0,You are essentially carrying a location tracking device in your pocket for most parts of your day. Why still worry about trivial things like 5G implants,2020-12-23 12:21:15 +Comment,3,ggpij8f,,0,1608686286.0,Even the smallest computers will cause a blood clot. There are much easier ways to track you,2020-12-23 03:18:06 +Comment,3,ggp3fr0,,0,1608678340.0,Biologically possible? Sure. Technically possible? No.,2020-12-23 01:05:40 +Comment,1,ggozw7i,,0,1608676255.0,Minions dosent exist why should your children,2020-12-23 00:30:55 +Comment,6,ggoa1ul,,0,1608652980.0,"If your needle was the width of a Boba straw perhaps. + +And why 5G? Why wouldn't you use 4G or 3G, hell - even 2G is still used by trackers you buy on Chinese websites. + +Antennas need certain lengths to transmit particular frequencies, and need power. + +No, you're not fitting a power source, or a means of getting power from the body or radio waves, into something that a needle can inject. Or a transmitter. + +Although, while you're getting your vaccine, a hacker in the next room could hack your phone so it transmitted your location to whoever you want :) + +Seriously, if anyone is worried about body-trackers and still carries a phone, they are truly insane. I mean, they're probably not tracking you much even with your phone for anything other than delivering you ads, but still.",2020-12-22 18:03:00 +Comment,3,gg82wp6,,0,1608298643.0,"A for trolling. + +I hope there are many contenders vying for an A+.",2020-12-18 15:37:23 +Comment,5,gg7y3h0,,0,1608295461.0,"Damn, she had me going.",2020-12-18 14:44:21 +Comment,1,gfxlpc3,,0,1608077925.0,"There is nothing wrong with adhd, you can live a normal life, just it is easier to get bored. Unlike shit like autism where you will need a lot of extra help and it is clear you are disabled, adhd functions just like the average person",2020-12-16 02:18:45 +Comment,1,gfttcbw,,0,1607994435.0," + +A study published in 1998 - since discredited and withdrawn - associated the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine with autism. But the concern it sparked among parents lives on. + +“People didn't like that they were about to be injected with a biological product they didn't understand, and that was the birth of anti-vaccine movements,” Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told ABC. + +Experts say, there’s work to be done to ensure that happens. As distribution of the first 2.9 million doses kicks into gear, public health experts prepare to parse fact from fiction. + +“There's a lot of work that has to be done to ensure that the vaccines that come forward that we trust in them, that we trusted the science was done right,” Besser said after months of whiplashed messaging -- and years of systemic inequality. “A casualty of that approach is trust.” + +“I think it's okay to be scared,” ABC Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Jen Ashton said. “It's okay to acknowledge that - it means you've been paying attention. But in medicine and science, we have to go on facts, not fear.”",2020-12-15 03:07:15 +Comment,1,gf40uh9,,0,1607500806.0,These anti-vaxxers need to atop threatening me with a good time,2020-12-09 10:00:06 +Comment,2,gf3kvvz,,0,1607493428.0,Who here loves Ikea hot dogs? 🙌,2020-12-09 07:57:08 +Comment,1,gf01bpj,,0,1607414895.0,Nanotechnology just refers to the size of the media being used. Tiny Lipid nanoparticle droplets to carry the vaccine as fat soluble and not water soluble. People out here thinking Stark Industries is real.,2020-12-08 10:08:15 +Comment,2,gee4piz,,0,1606959529.0,"Yeah, I generally would ignore most of that nonsense online. While obv super dangerous any doc or nurse will set a parent straight and kids can not attend school in all 50 states w/o vaccinations generally. In regards to Covid-19, the vast majority are hopeful but optimisticly awaiting FDA and peir reviews of Pfizer and Moderna. And yes, all of those methods utilize rna which is groundbreaking and that's gonna freak some people out. I personally think it's cool and have been reading up on rna application in biotech for 20 yrs.",2020-12-03 03:38:49 +Comment,1,gee27ah,,0,1606958528.0,"I know people that are suing this study to try convince people not to vaccinate for their born babies or get the COVID vacation. I’ve been trolled on other social media platforms for promoting vaccines, especially the COVID vaccine as it the first of its kind. It’s made differently from the rest.",2020-12-03 03:22:08 +Comment,3,gedpryy,,0,1606953519.0,"The disclaimer at the end of the ""for educational purposes only"" website says it all for me. That is 100% propaganda. I mean there is a link to a legit study sure, but that being said they are cherry picking results that say basically the data is X when X = exactly what VaX also equals. What's the issue?",2020-12-03 01:58:39 +Comment,1,gecp2a5,,0,1606928311.0,That’s what I said. However there are folk lapping this up as gospel truth about vaccines. It’s scary to think that they are using this as a reason to put their kids at risk of iron lung among others,2020-12-02 18:58:31 +Comment,11,gebmdp0,,0,1606901351.0,"It says: + +***Remarkably, zero of the 561 unvaccinated patients in the study had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) compared to 0.063% of the (partially and fully) vaccinated*** + +and there are 2763 ""variably vaccinated, and 561 unvaccinated."" + +So, 0.063% of 2763 is 1.74. + +I don't know how they got 0.74 of a person, so there's some problem with the numbers, but anyway, if we assume the same ratio of the 561 group, then we'd expect 0.35 people in the unvaccinated group to have ADHD. Which rounds to zero. Which is what we've got. + +So, these are obviously stupidly small sample sizes for this analysis, and so the authors are disingenuous morons.",2020-12-02 11:29:11 +Comment,4,geb9h24,,0,1606894221.0,I personally don’t believe this however I know a couple that do. I need help in getting fact to debunk this article,2020-12-02 09:30:21 +Comment,-3,g4sodx9,,0,1599829822.0,lol.,2020-09-11 16:10:22 +Comment,2,g2cnkwd,,0,1598062835.0,"What nanoparticles? Your phone does a good enough job at tracking you with literally all social media, weather, and other apps having access to your location. What do you think a particle less than 100 nm in diameter is gonna do? It's a dead virus, not a fucking phone.",2020-08-22 05:20:35 +Comment,2,g0rij90,,0,1596894326.0,What the actual flying fuck did I just read.,2020-08-08 16:45:26 +Comment,1,g073xsj,,0,1596482511.0,So she thinks that the govt would lie about the death of about a million people for shits and giggles,2020-08-03 22:21:51 +Comment,1,g073o4k,,0,1596482265.0,What the hell are you scared were gonna commence order 66 or something,2020-08-03 22:17:45 +Comment,1,fx1924q,,0,1594011897.0,Thank you I really appreciate you taking the time to say that,2020-07-06 08:04:57 +Comment,1,fx0nt4p,,0,1594000542.0,"Hello. I am a nursing student displaced from clinical rotation due to Covid-19. I found your post regarding your concern relating to your child’s safety with updated vaccines. As you may know, vaccination is essential because it helps provide immunity before an individual is exposed to certain life-threatening diseases such as chickenpox or measles. There is a possibility that your child might get measles for an example, but very unlikely. According to the Mayo Clinic, more than 93% of people who get the first dose of MMR develop immunity to measles. After the second dose, about 97% of people are protected. The 2020 Recommended immunizations for children from birth through 6-years old from CDC are linked [here](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf). According to the CDC, “everyone six months and older should get the influenza (flu) vaccine every season. + +**Disclaimer:** + +I am not a medical doctor. Please follow the advice of your Primary Care Physician. I can answer questions, but my information does not take the place of what your primary physician states. + +**References:** + +CDC, (2020, April 28). Influenza (Flu).[https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm) + +CDC. (2020). 2020 Recommended immunizations for children from birth through 6-years old [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf) + +Mayo Clinic. (2018, July 11). Measles vaccine: Can I get the measles if I’ve already been vaccinated?[https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/expert-answers/gettingmeasles-after-vaccination/faq-20125397](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/expert-answers/gettingmeasles-after-vaccination/faq-20125397)",2020-07-06 04:55:42 +Comment,1,fw41cv8,,0,1593240460.0,Tell that to the dumbasses over on r/ForcedVaccine,2020-06-27 09:47:40 +Comment,3,fvstv70,,0,1592986581.0,"Is that monetized for the cranks? + +If so, please don't link directly without more explanation. i don't want them getting any of my sweet youtube premium cash.",2020-06-24 11:16:21 +Comment,2,frvj2ym,,0,1590533551.0,"I guess so, fair point",2020-05-27 01:52:31 +Comment,2,frv8ir6,,0,1590527569.0,"It's not like vaccines weaken your immune system. They do the exact opposite. They strengthen it. They make you build immunity with much less risk of dying. And what you said is true, viruses don't want to kill us. But they will anyway. So why not take a vaccine and prevent that? You'll still get your natural immunity.",2020-05-27 00:12:49 +Comment,1,frtnjk3,,0,1590482826.0,"I assumed it did, can you elaborate?",2020-05-26 11:47:06 +Comment,2,frtnbyj,,0,1590482702.0,"Perhaps, but what is the big deal if people vote at home- I may be uninformed on this topic, but how does voting at home change opinions of potential leaders?",2020-05-26 11:45:02 +Comment,2,frtj69n,,0,1590480234.0,"They claimed that vaccines caused them numerous health issues- When I asked how and why, this was their response. @BewareTheNeedle. Instagram needs to remove this and other similar accounts.",2020-05-26 11:03:54 +Comment,3,fro2tz7,,0,1590360935.0,You’re safe because of herd immunity so you will probably be fine,2020-05-25 01:55:35 +Comment,1,fro2o6s,,0,1590360853.0,um... well I havent had one since I was born and I braved through the flu with my natural anti bodies but I guess,2020-05-25 01:54:13 +Comment,2,fro1so0,,0,1590360394.0,Do u at least do the important ones?,2020-05-25 01:46:34 +Comment,1,fro1mld,,0,1590360304.0,"I know this is reddit amd I probably shouldnt say this im no karen im a 13 yr old kid btw- I dont use vaccines because I like to keep my body natural and to train my self to survive diseases. I dont care if I die I dont really fear death. I can see why people will hate this. *sigh* you cant even voice your own opinion anymore but hopefully you guys see my point. Someday a major disease could mutate to get past our vaccines that take years to build and wed have to keep making our vaccines stronger. Ive realized that its all about survival... Viruses and germs dont want to harm us but they naturally do... they naturally are a disease, they just use our body as a host, and you see how we slaughter cows to eat, (No im no vegan either, I love meat) thats how we survive, I know viruses are singlw celled and are not a complex lifeform im just showing you my opinion and I dont really care if anyone asked its reddit I just wanna hesr other peoples opinions too amd for people to get to know why some people dont use vaccines. peace guys",2020-05-25 01:45:04 +Comment,1,frl6id5,,0,1590299329.0,"Right. Like, if rules don't exist then anyone can just wander into that person's house and kill them without consequence. Is that really the world they think they want to live in? It's a huge propaganda success that someone has managed to get so many people to be totally divorced from the very concept of a society with laws.",2020-05-24 08:48:49 +Comment,1,frkfp85,,0,1590284354.0,It's like poeple fail to understand the basic tennants of civilisation and the idea that every protection you have is a social contract.,2020-05-24 04:39:14 +Comment,5,frivijs,,0,1590239395.0,Yet she posts willingly on social media 🤦🏼‍♀️,2020-05-23 16:09:55 +Comment,6,frikm4c,,0,1590231497.0,"This is such a vapid argument. Society is a consensual communal existence. If you are unwilling to abide by the social norms, rules, customs, and laws of the society you chose to live in then you're more than welcome to go live alone in the woods and stop availing yourself of the benefits of civilization. + +Of course, you can try to change the rules too, but ""I DO NOT CONSENT"" reveals a fundamental lack of understanding about how...any of this...works.",2020-05-23 13:58:17 +Comment,1,frcebmj,,0,1590099317.0,How does manufacturing a vaccine pollute? There isn’t anything being burned,2020-05-22 01:15:17 +Comment,3,fracxoi,,0,1590045442.0,no,2020-05-21 10:17:22 +Comment,2,fr7kws3,,0,1589978707.0,"No, he didn’t just “save” anyone from a dangerous vaccine. Moderna themselves have said that the 8 positives results was a good “first step” [(here)](https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/coronavirus/early-results-from-moderna-vaccine-trial-show-participants-developed-antibodies-against-coronavirus-1.4943881) into creating an effective vaccine. Much more testing is to come and the vaccine is expected as early as January. Don’t worry, more testing will come. + +I agree that there are massive flaws with big pharma and politicians in the US, but not everyone lives in the US.... right? People live in countries less corrupt than america where the health industry is not the massive corporation it is in your country. Vaccines remain the same every, big pharma doesn’t.",2020-05-20 15:45:07 +Comment,1,fr4qgrs,,0,1589923574.0,Yup,2020-05-20 00:26:14 +Comment,3,fr3lcqs,,0,1589888747.0,I was going to make fun of anyone who is and I thought you were but I am vaccinated and think anyone who is anti vaccine is dumb,2020-05-19 14:45:47 +Comment,1,fr2fiyx,,0,1589865197.0,Vaccines save many people from preventable disease. Why would someone not use them?,2020-05-19 08:13:17 +Comment,2,fr2fcc1,,0,1589865103.0,?,2020-05-19 08:11:43 +Comment,6,fr2e613,,0,1589864540.0,This is an extremely vague question. Like mortality rate overall as in all vaccinated vs all unvaccinated? For specific vaccines like all mmr vaccinated babies vs non? All babies who are current with their vaccines in general vs non? What exactly do you consider a baby because a 1 and a half year old is going to have more vaccines compared to a 6 month old.,2020-05-19 08:02:20 +Comment,1,fqy5orn,,0,1589771814.0,"Companies =/= exploited people + +Some may, but that's simply false. + +Not saying you aren't allowed to use, but if you think people are being exploited working for a company, not exactly logical to use the exploited peoples products to complain about these companies.",2020-05-18 06:16:54 +Comment,1,fqxlykc,,0,1589763150.0,So I'm not allowed to use the internet because I think people shouldn't be exploited?,2020-05-18 03:52:30 +Comment,1,fqweaoe,,0,1589730159.0,"lack of choice? yeah maybe for food and water, buying a computer.... not so much.",2020-05-17 18:42:39 +Comment,1,fqw53pe,,0,1589721906.0,You criticize something yet you also participate out of a lack of choice. Curious,2020-05-17 16:25:06 +Comment,1,fqvy961,,0,1589716744.0,Why do you spread fear over something that has helped humanity so much?,2020-05-17 14:59:04 +Comment,-1,fqvxr00,,0,1589716403.0,Yes talk to me,2020-05-17 14:53:23 +Comment,6,fqup2rx,,0,1589691199.0,Anti vaxxers don’t really spread disease until a lot of them are living together because of herd immunity so she probably won’t get you infected,2020-05-17 07:53:19 +Comment,6,fquoq4q,,0,1589691048.0,"Definitely not me, but with the pandemic, I've been in the front yard trying to grow all the food since it's the only place I feel safe, and this woman and her 3 little kids has been walkin by, as one does. She stopped to chat with me yesterday and within a few minutes, after touching on her suspicion of 5G technology being linked to Covid-19, she tells me that she is an antivaxx campaigner and she's proud none of her kids were vaccinated. I actually felt panic, began to back away from her physically and was literally stunned into silence as my ears started ringing. Never in my life have I had such a visceral reaction to an antivaxxer, and I wish I could have thought of the one thing I could have said to make her realize her cognitive dissonance is actually a matter of life or death for some of us. I wonder why, when faced with actual medical data, some peoples' cognitive dissonance cannot be broken.",2020-05-17 07:50:48 +Comment,1,fqtpaw7,,0,1589672241.0,Gee I'd hate to think of what kind of device your posting on.,2020-05-17 02:37:21 +Comment,1,fqt73b5,,0,1589660768.0,My extensive political beliefs are as follows: if it's not worker run we should throw it into the sun,2020-05-16 23:26:08 +Comment,1,fqt3t3d,,0,1589657842.0,you don't like companies? Huh?,2020-05-16 22:37:22 +Comment,0,fqrmybs,,0,1589616429.0,Anti vaxxers are just stupid I don’t think saying that does much,2020-05-16 11:07:09 +Comment,1,fqrlr7r,,0,1589615722.0,"I didn't say it was a political debate, I said that saying ""fuck you retards"" to peopel who are wrong only makes them more sure of their wrong beliefs",2020-05-16 10:55:22 +Comment,1,fqri1x4,,0,1589613571.0,This isn’t a political issue like pro life versus pro choice anti vaxxers are just wrong and spread fear over the things that got our society to where it is today,2020-05-16 10:19:31 +Comment,1,fqrhrww,,0,1589613414.0,I love how there is no evidence,2020-05-16 10:16:54 +Comment,1,fqpntbg,,0,1589579355.0,I just don't like god damned companies in general,2020-05-16 00:49:15 +Comment,1,fq9eshe,,0,1589224709.0,Sometimes you have to feed someone their own medicine to defeat them.,2020-05-11 22:18:29 +Comment,1,fq9ebkj,,0,1589224252.0,"hoh, hoh, hoh, many! Such as ""There are microchips in the ""video demonetization virus"" vaccine!"" or ""Givernments use 5G in vaccines!"". And they never make any sense. We still are developing 5G and microchips can't go through a tiny needle, and probably never will.",2020-05-11 22:10:52 +Comment,1,fq9e2ni,,0,1589224009.0,ikr?,2020-05-11 22:06:49 +Comment,0,fpvtp6y,,0,1588980450.0,">The argument that there is a genetic component to autism is not by itself a proof that vaccines cause autism. + +I'm not saying vaccines cause autism, I'm saying many people say that autism is 100% genetic, which is not true + +>I often argue the fact the people unvaccinated for MMR get autism at about the same rate as people vaccinated for MMR is good evidence that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism. + +This is correct, what is not correct is saying that one autistic unvaccinated person proves vaccines don't cause autism + +>When talking about common arguments made on reddit, you have to realize that most people on both sides of any subject are often not educated enough to make adequate arguments, and both sides often have people making poor arguments. + +Which is exactly why I made a post trying to correct some of those poor arguments",2020-05-09 02:27:30 +Comment,3,fpvgpuq,,0,1588973192.0,"When talking about common arguments made on reddit, you have to realize that most people on both sides of any subject are often not educated enough to make adequate arguments, and both sides often have people making poor arguments. + +The argument that there is a genetic component to autism is not by itself a proof that vaccines cause autism. + + Argument X: ""It is also often argued that unvaccinated autistic people prove autism is not caused by vaccines"" + +I often argue the fact the people unvaccinated for MMR get autism at about the same rate as people vaccinated for MMR is good evidence that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism. The argument X above appears to be a misrepresentation of that argument by less intelligent people on reddit. + +When vaccines are introduced, tests are done to see if they are safe. They don't test for every single disease in the book. In general, tests were not done for autism specifically in the distant past. + + Andrew Wakefield wrote a research article claiming the MMR might be associated with autism. The article was analyzed and Wakefield was discredited and eventually lost his license. + +At this point there was no reason to do further analysis scientifically on the subject. There was no reason to think that the MMR vaccine caused autism. Safety research on vaccines does not do analysis on every disease in the book. + +However, with many vaccine opponents spreading false claims that MMR vaccine cause autism, a large expensive research project was performed to show that MMR vaccine is not linked to autism. + + +There have not been large expensive research projects to prove every single vaccine does not cause autism. There are also a thousand + other diseases we could study if there was money enough. Similarly, tests could be done to see what correlations there are between every drug and food we take with every disease, but there is just not enough money for this.",2020-05-09 00:26:32 +Comment,5,fpu7rrg,,0,1588935323.0,"Of course, and that has been done. Vaccines have risks, but generally are safe.",2020-05-08 13:55:23 +Comment,1,fpu7nnt,,0,1588935252.0,"Usually the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, yes, but if you are telling someone to take a vaccine, the burden of proof is on you to show that it is safe",2020-05-08 13:54:12 +Comment,3,fpu5hhf,,0,1588933893.0,"The burden of proof is on those making the claim that there is a link between vaccines and autism. Since there is no evidence supporting the claim, it's not even necessary to disprove it.",2020-05-08 13:31:33 +Comment,1,foemy7i,,0,1587737007.0,Posts like this only add the the problem by making it look like pro-vaxxers are bullies,2020-04-24 17:03:27 +Comment,1,foefsdw,,0,1587731495.0,"That's not a myth. People actually do that still, sadly.",2020-04-24 15:31:35 +Comment,4,fnki1ej,,0,1587056628.0,"Multiple reasons. +There are a lot of incentives to jump through hoops with any vaccine that ""works"" well enough in studies and is feasible to produce. +Also, there are many many laboratories, universities and pharma companies that want in on this. +The fight to be ""first"" will be more important then waiting for the safest and most efficient vaccine (guess where the money is). + +This also includes political willingness to say ""this is good enough, spread it"". + +So proper vaccine scientists warn that the temptation to approve **any** vaccine will probably be an issue. +Also, there are many new technologies being used for this vaccine, some of them never before used for vaccine development in humans. +There are a lot of unknowns, so experts are saying ""let the science be done, don't rush it"" + +In terms of liability, most vaccine manufacturers have some protection against direct lawsuits and this is actually good for the consumer.",2020-04-16 20:03:48 +Comment,1,fnguzi0,,0,1586974760.0,dont respond because they have a thick fucking skull and an incredibly smooth brain,2020-04-15 21:19:20 +Comment,1,fmblyj1,,0,1585957761.0,"Yes, I know so shared about the myths through my blog",2020-04-04 02:49:21 +Comment,4,fmbkbfk,,0,1585956859.0,There is not,2020-04-04 02:34:19 +Comment,-2,flu0ltg,,0,1585521245.0,Theres a reason we dont have a vaccine for SARS either. They haven't been able to make one that doesnt kill you upon reinfection.,2020-03-30 01:34:05 +Comment,1,floujel,,0,1585374559.0,Chill this is a meme sub reddit and i think there is no antivaxers on this sub reddit,2020-03-28 07:49:19 +Comment,1,flniauo,,0,1585347998.0,Clarification: what I should have said was: Genetics cause autism is one of the only widely excepted statements regarding autism amongst real scientists. (Not pseudo/junk scientists. Junk science is for PETA). Most of the reasons stated on the CDC website have something to do with genetics except for one. (Pregnant women taking drugs that they should not be taking). And the CDC website also says that the time when autism is developed is when in mom and immediately after birth. That alone can completely rule out vaccines as the cause.,2020-03-28 00:26:38 +Comment,1,flltc5x,,0,1585296119.0,"What do you mean? I know genetics is part of it, but you can't use that to debunk claims that vaccines are another cause, because there are multiple causes",2020-03-27 10:01:59 +Comment,1,fllsyzz,,0,1585295904.0,But genetics is one of the only widely excepted factors.,2020-03-27 09:58:24 +Comment,1,fllsspc,,0,1585295802.0,It literally says the causes aren't all known and that genetics are only one of multiple factors,2020-03-27 09:56:42 +Comment,1,flljymk,,0,1585290618.0,But almost all the reasons listed have to do with genetics. And pregnant women should not be taking drugs anyway. Especially vaping and smoking are bad.,2020-03-27 08:30:18 +Comment,1,fll6ysf,,0,1585283571.0,The CDC says genetics are only part of the cause [https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/facts.html](https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/facts.html),2020-03-27 06:32:51 +Comment,1,flkj4ow,,0,1585270693.0,Yeah.,2020-03-27 02:58:13 +Comment,1,flkj2zn,,0,1585270668.0,Science deniers. Ironically many of them are college educated.,2020-03-27 02:57:48 +Comment,2,flkiwkh,,0,1585270573.0,Yeah all these anti vaxx Karen’s have no concept of actual science.,2020-03-27 02:56:13 +Comment,1,flki2s3,,0,1585270132.0,"So many spelling and grammatical errors, so much misinformation, clearly an idiot on the internet who thinks vaccines are the cause of autism.",2020-03-27 02:48:52 +Comment,2,flkhuvd,,0,1585270016.0,Yay! People should teach their kids to be brave when getting vaccines.,2020-03-27 02:46:56 +Comment,1,flkfx33,,0,1585268969.0,Coincidence.,2020-03-27 02:29:29 +Comment,1,flkffll,,0,1585268711.0,"It is possible that some vaccines have been developed with fetus cells rather then animal testing it does not mean the cells are in the vaccine. A vaccine has dead cells of a virus/bacteria so that the immune system can learn how to fight the virus/bacteria off. The dead cells can not cause infection. (Because they are dead, duh).",2020-03-27 02:25:11 +Comment,1,flkevm0,,0,1585268413.0,Poor kid.,2020-03-27 02:20:13 +Comment,1,flkeued,,0,1585268394.0,Yeah. Stupid anti vaxxers.,2020-03-27 02:19:54 +Comment,1,flker0d,,0,1585268341.0,But you can. Simple answer. Autism is genetic. Real science proves that.,2020-03-27 02:19:01 +Comment,2,fljjgfd,,0,1585244014.0,"Actually minus the insults, u are dead on here. It's so hard not to insult them tho, I know. It's just DOESNT help our cause. THAT being said I just cant grasp how they can still think that vaccines cause autism. Science is an asshair away from coming our with their finding on how genetics cause autism. Which is what I've been saying for like 10 yrs but thats besides the point rn. If you take a step back and look at the situation as a whole all signs points to genetics. But I think, and I'm just speculating here, that anti vaxxers are petrified that the autism in their child is their failt. And I can almost undestamd why they dont wanna think that. But they are adults who are capable of lying to themselves very easily. And they are als8 very capable of their causing a lit of9 damage to themselves, they they are uneducated and dangerous and that scaryl + +B",2020-03-26 19:33:34 +Comment,1,fljcltg,,0,1585235676.0,shut up loser,2020-03-26 17:14:36 +Comment,1,flhh67e,,0,1585191368.0,That is the vaccine job to protect her dont worry,2020-03-26 04:56:08 +Comment,1,flcxp9u,,0,1585079363.0,"Both studies. On both animal and humans have mentioned waning immunity. But none quantified it. And I already explained to you yhat because the vaccine is acellular, the immunity will wear of completely. So it becomes irrelevant if they're vaccinated, because they have no immunity if they don't get boosters during adulthood. Hence why they're carriers.",2020-03-24 21:49:23 +Comment,0,flb6cff,,0,1585027086.0,">Are you dense? Or didn't even bother to read everything I wrote? + +I did read everything you wrote, mind telling me what part of it you think I misinterpreted? + +>Point being that unvaccinated animals will be more at risk! Omg, you're... something. + +The unvaccinated people are more at risk from pertussis, yes, but the part of the study you quoted says that even the vaccinated can spread it, and the original post that started this discussion was about how much risk a mostly vaccinated person has from being around an unvaccinated person, and I said that since even vaccinated people can spread pertussis, and the kids in question were mostly vaccinated, they increase in risk from being around unvaccinated kids was very small",2020-03-24 07:18:06 +Comment,0,flb38qy,,0,1585025278.0,">The study doesn't say people are forgetting their boosters, it says there is evidence that the vaccine doesn't stop people form being asymptomatic carriers + +Are you dense? Or didn't even bother to read everything I wrote? + +>When these animals were co-housed, they were able to infect other, unvaccinated, animals. + +Point being that unvaccinated animals will be more at risk! Omg, you're... something.",2020-03-24 06:47:58 +Comment,0,flah7i9,,0,1585012610.0,"The study doesn't say people are forgetting their boosters, it says there is evidence that the vaccine doesn't stop people form being asymptomatic carriers + +>They are though, because they become even a bigger reservoir of infection. +> +>""However, Merkel notes that there was a “startling” difference in acellular-vaccinated animals: “After they were infected, they became colonised and remained colonised longer than unvaccinated animals. Although they weren’t sick, they were carrying the bacterium in their airways.” When these animals were co-housed, they were able to infect other, unvaccinated, animals. + +This is talking about vaccinated animals, not unvaccinated",2020-03-24 03:16:50 +Comment,1,fl9i575,,0,1584985620.0,"I think I already carried a discussion with you on this subject. + +This is a 36 subject study. It's too short and doesn't offer certainty. Either way, will discuss it again. + + +You missed this paragraph I guess, that the data is not showing a clear causation. + +> ""A second issue is that clearly not enough time has elapsed since the switch to aP to draw definitive conclusions about the resumption of cycles of B. pertussis incidence. While the data appear most consistent with asymptomatic transmission from aP vaccinated individuals, it may be many years before enough time has elapsed to be able to rule out this hypothesis."" + + +Also other disclaimers: + +>Our model does not explicitly account for evolution of the B. pertussis bacterium [7, 56] — a factor which may play a large role in the epidemiological dynamics of B. pertussis. For example, it has been posited that B. pertussis has adapted to vaccination in several European countries. Mooi et al. (2001) identified genetic changes between pre- and post-vaccination strains of B. pertussis [8]. Despite this evidence, including evolution would merely increase the number of individuals susceptible to both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection and would yield exactly the opposite pattern of population genomic variation than seen empirically. + + + +________________________________________________________________ +The aP vaccine (acellular pertussis) is reliable for kids especially, somewhat similar to the rotaviral vaccine and maybe the meningococcal one too, because it offers immunity for a few critical years, when kids are small and vulnerable. Unlike the whole cell pertussis vaccine, which gives a longer and sturdier immunity. + +Nobody expects these vaccines to be efficient and create immunity per life. The same with tetanus and diphtheria. You have to get boosters to be actually protected for longer periods of time! Otherwise your antibody count will become super low and you become susceptible to the infection AND maybe becoming a carrier. Sure, not the case of tetanus, but the case of diphtheria. pertussis... + +Why? Because with the aP vaccine, immunity is not stimulated enough, as there are less antigens in it to ""irritate"" the immune system and create enough antibodies. Hence you basically become unimmunized. Just like unvaccinated persons. + + + +This was observed in a trial for animals too. And by this, we get back to your previous ideas that unvaccinated kids are not that much of a danger. They are though, because they become even a bigger reservoir of infection. + +>>""However, Merkel notes that there was a “startling” difference in acellular-vaccinated animals: “After they were infected, they became colonised and remained colonised longer than unvaccinated animals. Although they weren’t sick, they were carrying the bacterium in their airways.” When these animals were co-housed, they were able to infect other, unvaccinated, animals. + +>>A similar pattern was seen with whole-cell vaccinated animals, but they were able to clear the infection within two weeks — much quicker than the acellular-vaccinated animals. “To a large extent, this can explain the increase we are seeing in cases of pertussis,” says Merkel."" + +https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/features/stopping-whooping-cough-in-its-tracks/20206396.article?firstPass=false + +Either way, the conclusion was ok and mentioned that the more there are vaccinated, just like with polio, the less risk of contracting a disease if you have a large percentage of the population vaccinated. It's called herd immunity! And possible eradication. Look at polio, it still can be transmitted through feces, for a while after getting the vaccine. Yet in so many countries it's been eradicated. + +Also, the problem is here that both the study you linked and the one I linked, failed to mention the antibody count. They're just mentioning waning immunity, which is not enough for a conclusion. + +This remains my point of argument, to what you said: you're not immunised, or properly immunised anymore if you manage to colonise a bacteria you're vaccinated against. Aka: you need the booster.",2020-03-23 19:47:00 +Comment,0,fl8rfrz,,0,1584959267.0,"Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/) + +>In their study, Warfel et al. used non-human primates as a model for *B. pertussis* infection, and found evidence that **individuals vaccinated with current acellular** ***B. pertussis*** **vaccines (aP) can become asymptomatically infected, and can then transmit infection to susceptible individuals. The potential for this type of vaccine failure has been observed in humans where reanalyses of aP vaccine studies revealed that individuals vaccinated with components of the aP vaccine were protected against disease, but not bacterial colonization** \[[10](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR10), [11](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR11)\]. This is in addition to the extant, but limited, evidence for natural asymptomatic infection \[[12](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR12)–[14](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR14)\]. +> +>Warfel et al. point out that asymptomatic infection in aP vaccinated individuals, and subsequent transmission, may partially account for the increase in observed *B. pertussis* incidence. However, from a public health perspective, the presence of vaccine-induced or naturally infected asymptomatic individuals who transmit disease could have consequences beyond facilitating an increase in incidence. In response to Warfel et al., Domenech de Cellès et al. (2014) \[[15](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR15)\] argue that a reduction in incidence among unvaccinated individuals in a population with high aP coverage shows that aP must reduce *B. pertussis* transmission to some extent. It may be that aP vaccinated infected people are less efficient at transmitting *B. pertussis* compared with unvaccinated infected people, though it is not clear to what extent \[[16](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR16)\]. +> +>Here, we examine incidence and genetic data to provide empirical support for asymptomatic transmission and then construct mathematical models of *B. pertussis* transmission to explore the public health consequences of asymptomatic transmission. Our results suggest that: 1) there is strong empirical support for asymptomatic transmission from both the epidemiological and genomic data; 2) the presence of asymptomatic transmitters will bias estimates of vaccine efficacy derived from observations of stochastic fadeouts across cities; and 3) asymptomatic transmission provides the most parsimonious explanation for many of the observed patterns associated with current *B. pertussis* dynamics in the US and UK (that is, the resurgence of cases, the changes in age-specific attack rates, the observed level of bacterial genetic variation, and the failure of ring-vaccinating, or “cocooning”, unvaccinated infants). + +There is a Huuuge difference between being an antivaxer (who is biased against vaccines and not following science) and being willing to acknowledge that science shows not every vaccine is able to reliably prevent transmission",2020-03-23 12:27:47 +Comment,1,fl8j4wn,,0,1584953678.0,"> Basically you can have antibodies against a toxin that the bacterium produces, so you are not harmed by the infection, but not have enough antibodies against the bacterium itself, so the germs are still in you, and can be spread, but you don't feel noticeably sick + +Nope. That's not true. Healthy carriers can exist, but not for preventable diseases through vaccination. They can exist for staph aureus, for some strep spp. for example. But not the diseases someone is vaccinated against. There are literally no asymptomatic carriers, like there are in COVID-19. + +cannot wait for that source tho ;) + +PS: I know you from the multiple comments you leave on a lot of subreddit about vaccines. I tagged you a loooong time ago for the half truths you're saying here and there. And let me tell you: i can smell your bullshit from far away. You aren't pro vaxx. Or if you're struggling to be, you're still very far from being pro vaxx. Do a better job if you're not antivaxx anymore, as you keep claiming!",2020-03-23 10:54:38 +Comment,0,fl8bp80,,0,1584948866.0,">how does this even make any sense? +> +>Can you please back up this information you have. How can you be immune and still be contagious? It's clear to me that you don't know how antibodies work then. + +It might take some time for me to find the source, but I will look + +EDIT: source here: Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/) + +Basically you can have antibodies against a toxin that the bacterium produces, so you are not harmed by the infection, but not have enough antibodies against the bacterium itself, so the germs are still in you, and can be spread, but you don't feel noticeably sick + +>sure thing, but the risk of being a carrier is higher than with vaccinated kids. that's literally a fact. + +Yes, and I never disputed that fact, I said the risk is low, not that it is zero",2020-03-23 09:34:26 +Comment,1,fl8a0qp,,0,1584947836.0,"What the heck are you talking about? + +>You can be immune to illness without being immune to infection, meaning that you still can catch and spread the germs, but they won't hurt you + +how does this even make any sense? + +Can you please back up this information you have. How can you be immune and still be contagious? It's clear to me that you don't know how antibodies work then. + +>just because someone is unvaccinated doesn't mean they are infected + +sure thing, but the risk of being a carrier is higher than with vaccinated kids. that's literally a fact.",2020-03-23 09:17:16 +Comment,3,fl80bry,,0,1584942006.0,"Parts were, sure, but it's pretty moot considering it's just framed by your personal risk threshold.",2020-03-23 07:40:06 +Comment,1,fl7mes5,,0,1584933561.0,Nothing I said was incorrect though,2020-03-23 05:19:21 +Comment,2,fl7lbbs,,0,1584932906.0,"With some other commentary attached, yes.",2020-03-23 05:08:26 +Comment,1,fl7g3ry,,0,1584929813.0,"Which is why I said: + + ""a 2 year old in the US has had many vaccines but has not yet had boosters of MMR, chickenpox, and DTaP""",2020-03-23 04:16:53 +Comment,0,fl7ft6q,,0,1584929643.0,">that's incomplete and misleading! no one spreads anything they have immunity against! + +You can be immune to illness without being immune to infection, meaning that you still can catch and spread the germs, but they won't hurt you Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/) + +>while some vaccines to offer protection 100% in some cases, no vaccine is perfect. + +No vaccine is 100%, but vaccines do substantially reduce the risk, just because someone is unvaccinated doesn't mean they are infected, this is why I said the risk is very small, I did not claim that there was absolutely 0 risk",2020-03-23 04:14:03 +Comment,6,fl6j2cg,,0,1584899994.0,"For now, yes. She will need boosters throughout her life to keep/increase that protection. But since the primary vaccination is completed, she is protected for now.",2020-03-22 19:59:54 +Comment,0,fl6j0pp,,0,1584899933.0,">even vaccinated kids spread pertussis, so avoiding unvaccinated people doesn't change your risk that much + +that's incomplete and misleading! no one spreads anything they have immunity against! + +so if you daughter has immunity against one disease, she won't spread anything. nor will she get it from other vaccinated kids. + +>The increased risk from being around unvaccinated kids is really small + +this is also very misleading. while some vaccines to offer protection 100% in some cases, no vaccine is perfect. so if someone is unvaccinated, it's best to not let them play together if you know their vaccine status and you know they're unvaccinated. + +you can't protect the kids at all times, but when you can, just avoid staying around unvaccinated persons!",2020-03-22 19:58:53 +Comment,4,fl64q9k,,0,1584883186.0,"The actual answer is she isn't fully protected, but she's as protected as she can be for her age.",2020-03-22 15:19:46 +Comment,0,fl5vglb,,0,1584875562.0,"The increased risk from being around unvaccinated kids is really small, a 2 year old in the US has had many vaccines but has not yet had boosters of MMR, chickenpox, and DTaP + +However the risk is low, even one dose of MMR will probably result in immunity to measles and rubella, and likely mumps too, while one dose of chickenpox vaccine should reduce the risk and severity if chickenpox if they do get it + +As for DTaP, diphtheria is incredibly rare in the US, even the the antivax communities where there have been measles outbreak there isn't diphtheria, and tetanus simply can't be spread from person to person + +even vaccinated kids spread pertussis, so avoiding unvaccinated people doesn't change your risk that much",2020-03-22 13:12:42 +Comment,2,fky5aho,,0,1584670518.0,"You really can't. Its like trying to debate a flat-earther, or someone who denies the moon landing.",2020-03-20 04:15:18 +Comment,1,fky4je6,,0,1584670067.0,They actually have a point about the fact that you can't say that because something is safe to eat it must be safe to inject,2020-03-20 04:07:47 +Comment,6,fkxirg4,,0,1584657830.0,"1.) The movie they cited as their source, “Vaxxed”, was written by Andrew Wakefield. He is a former UK doctor who was hired by a group of parents to find a link between vaccines and autism. He published a study finding the link in the highly respected medical journal the “Lancet”. It was later found that he falsified the results of his study, and also performed very unethical and invasive tests on children with autism to “prove” his findings (think unnecessary spinal taps and other painful procedures). His was the first, and I believe only, article to be retracted in the Lancet in all its years of publication. Wakefield was stripped of his medical license and ability to continue practicing medicine in the UK. No doctors, in any country, have ever completed a study that replicated his results. An important factor of scientific studies is they need to be repeatable. If nobody else is getting the same results, his study is suspect regardless of the ethics of it (but that’s a huge deal anyways) I would be HIGHLY skeptical of anything that has his name on it. + +2.) The movie Vaxxed is only showing one “side” of the story, if you can call it that. It’s meant to scare people and to convince them that vaccines are bad. It isn’t a sound source because it’s heavily biased and does not present all the information, only the information that supports their narrative. + +3.) Vaccine injuries are a real thing. However, they are also incredibly rare. I am not a doctor, or medical professional in any capacity, so I don’t have hard science for you. But look at the number of people who have been fully vaccinated and compare that to the number of people who have vaccine caused injuries. My entire life, 99% of the people I know are fully vaccinated, and not a single one of them had any impairment attributed to vaccines. I’d do some research into the actual chances of vaccine injury. But I’m almost positive that the chances of a vaccine injury are significantly smaller than the chances of injury from other routine or necessary/life saving procedures that we don’t bat an eye at (think surgeries and the like) + +4.) The hole in the logic of anti-Vaxxers that I’ve never heard them answer is this: if you break an arm, where are you going to go? Answer: the doctor’s. They wouldn’t think twice about it. I know anti-vaxxers who have rushed their children to the doctor for a high fever. However, they also claim big pharma is a conspiracy and trying to hurt you. If the vaccines aren’t safe, how can anything the doctor says/does be trusted? Either they are in on the conspiracy or they are dumb enough to be taken in by it, and either way how can you trust them? Also, the FDA approves the vaccines, and they also approve the other meds you might take/a doctor might prescribe you. How can you trust ANY of that if the vaccines are a huge conspiracy? You’re better off staying away entirely if that’s the case. + +5.) The ingredients in vaccines sound scary, sure. I wouldn’t trust myself to mix a vaccine safely. However, I am not a doctor. I didn’t spend years studying medicine, and then following strict procedures and countless peer-reviewed and tested studies to have the know-how to make vaccines. Just like I wouldn’t trust myself to wire a house, because I have no experience, but I would trust an electrician. Or how I would trust a cardiologist to perform open heart surgery on me but I wouldn’t trust my husband because he isn’t a medical professional. + +6.) On their whole “ingestion vs injection” thing; broccoli is totally safe to ingest. We recommend people ingestion broccoli as it’s very good for you. We do not recommend people injecting broccoli into their bloodstream. Again, I’m not a doctor, but injecting broccoli into your body will kill you. Should we get rid of broccoli? + +7.) Vaccines seem unnecessary, but it’s because they work. Vaccines stop the spread of dangerous and even deadly diseases. When enough people vaccinate, it protects the vulnerable populations (elderly, very young, immunocompromised, and those who for one reason or another cannot receive vaccines). The disease cannot spread, causing it to effectively die out, or at least prevents it from becoming a pandemic. This whole Coronavirus thing is actually a good illustration of how bad a pandemic can be and how beneficial these vaccines are. Smallpox, measles, heck even the flu, all used to tear through communities and kill/injure a lot of people. Modern medicine helps, but the vaccines keep it from spreading like wildfire in the first place. When was the last measles epidemic? Or the last smallpox outbreak? We vaccinate for those, and while a case of measles or two might pop up every now and then, we aren’t shutting down cities because of an outbreak. + +I hope this helps! Sorry for the novel, this is everything I’ve been wanting to say to my anti-Vaxxer friends and haven’t really been able to, so typing this up was kind of cathartic.",2020-03-20 00:43:50 +Comment,3,fk2cfqo,,0,1583826729.0,"https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/ican-foia-lawsuit-misrepresenting-another-non-win-from-anti-vaccine-group/ +This law professor explains the case. Also, you can see the court document published by ICAN if you scroll through my comments or I imagine google the relevant details.",2020-03-10 09:52:09 +Comment,0,fk1ygss,,0,1583818189.0,How so?,2020-03-10 07:29:49 +Comment,1,fk1xl33,,0,1583817686.0,And it was the MMR study that was the impetus for creating the VAXXED documentary.,2020-03-10 07:21:26 +Comment,1,fk1he64,,0,1583808514.0,"What she said is basically right, most vaccines haven't been studied for a connection to autism, so when the CDC was asked for their proof that hib, DTaP and polio vaccines don't cause autism, they responded with a bunch of studies that just looked at a preservative that is no longer in any of those vaccines, a few MMR studies, and even a review that says that there are no good studies on DTaP and autism, but that vaccines and autism is not a worthwhile area of research + +This doesn't mean vaccines do cause autism, but that you cannot accurately claim that ""studies have proven vaccines don't cause autism"", because these studies looked only at MMR, not DTaP, ect",2020-03-10 04:48:34 +Comment,1,fjx4ioi,,0,1583685145.0,Lmao fucking brainlet,2020-03-08 18:32:25 +Comment,1,fjwndxn,,0,1583670261.0,Yes and so do APPLES you dumb people.,2020-03-08 14:24:21 +Comment,1,fjul3b8,,0,1583646632.0,My guy unvaccinated kids live the same life as vaccinated kids but are way healthier and well better in every way really,2020-03-08 07:50:32 +Comment,0,fjuj6un,,0,1583646034.0,Through baby todas life he has developed asthma and many other symptoms to a point where he died of getting vaccinated so many dang gosh times,2020-03-08 07:40:34 +Comment,3,fjnn40j,,0,1583539650.0,"Not a shelf-stable film, but the [oral polio vaccine](http://polioeradication.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/20150421_SAGE.jpg) has been around for decades.",2020-03-07 02:07:30 +Comment,1,fjagldf,,0,1583201877.0,Because the misinformation it spreads gets kids killed,2020-03-03 04:17:57 +Comment,1,fj5q19u,,0,1583068184.0," + +[**Varicella (chickenpox)**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/varicella-vaccine), [**rubella**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccines) (the “R” in the MMR vaccine), [**hepatitis A**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/hepatitis-a-vaccine), and one preparation of [**rabies vaccine**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/rabies-vaccine) are all made by growing the viruses in fetal embryo fibroblast cells. Two combination vaccines available in the U.S. also contain polio vaccine virus grown in fetal cells, Pentacel® and Quadracel®. Fibroblast cells are the cells needed to hold skin and other connective tissue together. The fetal embryo fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same embryonic cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines.*Yes, some vaccines are grown in fetal cells.* However the situation is more complex than that.",2020-03-01 15:09:44 +Comment,1,fiop22x,,0,1582616494.0,"**10:** [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534) + +This is interesting but jumps to conclusions, it basically says that autistic children have an abnormal immune response to measles virus, as well as autoantibodies against the nerves, but from what I can see in the abstract there is no way to tell if the autoantibodies and abnormal response to measles are both the result of an overactive immune system, or if the abnormal response to measles virus was responsible for the autoantibodies + +If autism is actually caused by immune response to measles virus, then wouldn't measles disease also cause autism? + +**11:** [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159) Once again comparing different countries, creating a serious issue with many confounding variables, same problem as #3",2020-02-25 09:41:34 +Comment,1,fioiftj,,0,1582612766.0,"Hey, sorry to break it to ya, but that isn't a scientific paper. + +It's a loaf of cobblers with basic scientific errors, persuasive writing and ample fear tactics. + +It looks like a smoke screen psudo (fake) scientific mumbo jumbo 😬 + +Proof: ""If there is a mutation that alters a single base-pair, the resulting protein will have a single amino acid that is altered."" +WRONG: silent synonymous mutations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_mutation",2020-02-25 08:39:26 +Comment,2,fimx2sk,,0,1582578591.0,"There is 0,125 - 0,82 mg aluminium in vaccines, in Applejuice there are 5 - 100 mg aluminium.",2020-02-24 23:09:51 +Comment,1,fimfmls,,0,1582557140.0,"Your welcome, I will try to get around the the rest of them soon",2020-02-24 17:12:20 +Comment,1,film7q9,,0,1582533690.0,">So.... one ""excess event"" for 730 vaccinations, or about 0.14%. That's.... not very much. And how many were bad enough to require hospitalization? + +That is after the 18 month vacicnes, it was 1 in 168 after the 12 months vacicnes, as the first dose of a live vaccine vaccinates you against the side effects of that vaccine + +>So.... just about zero difference. The study primarily revolves around trying to reduce febrile seizures to a point lower than where they are, i.e.: reduce side effects even further. + +Febrile seizures were a minority of the side effects in that study",2020-02-24 10:41:30 +Comment,0,filg137,,0,1582529545.0,"May I ask if you are trying to convince your family, or yourself? + +You have to take a step back from all this stuff being thrown at you and ask- if even a small fraction of them are correct, why is it pediatricians, epidemiologists, and their various member organizations still recommend their use? If the answer is ""because big pharma,"" then you will have to reassess how much drug companies make off of vaccines. Hint: it's not a whole lot. + +Just a random study: that first one, let's say. + +>Four to 12 days post 12 month vaccination, children had a 1.33 (1.29–1.38) increased relative incidence + +So, that works out to a 33% increased risk of whatever it is they're measuring, with a range of 29% to 38% increased risk (with a 95% confidence limit). Sounds like a lot! + +>Ten to 12 days post 18 month vaccination, the relative incidence was 1.25 (95%, 1.17–1.33) which represented at least one excess event for every 730 children vaccinated. + +So.... one ""excess event"" for 730 vaccinations, or about 0.14%. That's.... not very much. And how many were bad enough to require hospitalization? + +>There were non-significant increases in hospital admissions. + +So.... just about zero difference. The study primarily revolves around trying to reduce febrile seizures to a point lower than where they are, i.e.: reduce side effects even further. + +Secondly, many of the cited studies are going on about mercury. Thimerosal- the compound containing mercury used to preserve vaccines- has not been used in childhood vaccines for years, long enough that we should have seen a diminution in the rate of autism would that mercury was responsible. As it stands, all routine vaccines for use in those under the age of 6 [do not contain thimerosal.](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines) + +To be frank, if you're trying to convince your family, you're not going to be able to swim upstream against Facebook nonsense. Your best bet is to just say ""Thank you for your viewpoints,"" and go about vaccinating your kids based on the advice of an experienced pediatrician.",2020-02-24 09:32:25 +Comment,2,fijm47t,,0,1582483273.0,"OK, Here goes for the second study, it is paywalled so I can't really see the whole thing but it says + +>Boys vaccinated as neonates had threefold greater odds for autism diagnosis compared to boys never vaccinated or vaccinated after the first month of life. + +This raises the possibility that some issue at birth is associated with both autism and postponement of vaccination, the including of 3 year olds who may not have been diagnosed yet, along with the use of ""parental report of autism diagnosis"" rather than medical record could also possibly create issues + +This study was also done before mercury was removed from hepatitis B vaccine in the US, so besides the potential for confounding variables it is looking at a vaccine with a no longer used preservative (still used in certain flu shots, but not hepatitis vaccine). I don't think this is an entirely conclusive study + +**STUDY #3:** This is comparing different countries, which is just asking for confounding variables, I'm not even sure I want to bother reading through a study that I can tell from the abstract is so inconclusive. + +Also, the only author is journalist who runs an antivax group + +**STUDY #4** is a case report of an unusual event and is inconclusive because such case reports can't determine if the deaths were a coincidence or not + +**STUDY #5** Is of an unsafe vaccine that was withdrawn from the market over safety concerns and has now been replaced with a different version [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/rota.html#vaccines](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/rota.html#vaccines) + +**STUDY #6** Is just a temporal correlation, one of the weakest forms of evidence, and c an be used to draw all kind of ridiculous conclusions, examples here:[https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations](https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations) + +This study also uses number of pediatricians in a state as the measure of access to care, which is ridiculous, as finance, transportation, population, geography, ect also affect access to care + +Also, the author is an economist, not a doctor + +**STUDY #7** Just says a whistleblower said vaccines cause autism, a lot more info is needed to know what is going on here + +**STUDY #8** is interesting but jumps to conclusions, as the info provided is insufficient to establish causation, it may be that an overactive immune system causes both the autoantibodies and the abnormal immune response to measles vaccine, rather than that the vaccines causes the autoantibodies. And if the vaccine does cause the autoantibodies, then measles itself likely also would, and may present a greater risk than the vaccine + +**STUDY #9** is once again based on temporal correlation and comparison of different countries, see #6 and #3 for why that is bad + +I have to go to bed now, will look at more of these soon though",2020-02-23 20:41:13 +Comment,0,fijl0ok,,0,1582481769.0,"**TL:DR It takes time to read multiple studies, but I read though most of the first one and it looks pretty good, it suggests that around 1 in 168 kids have a side effect leading to an ER visit or hospitalization caused by the first dose of MMR and chickenpox vaccines, although most were just ER visits without hospitalization** + +**I will look into the rest of them in coming days (or hours), but looking through all 39(!) will take some time** + +Analysis of the first study (sorry it's so long, science is just complicated sometimes): The authors appear to be from legitimate institutions, and the methods of the study look legit, they found that among kids who go to the ER within 28 days after the 12 month vaccines in Ontario, more of them went to the ER between 4-12 days after vaccination than when to the ER on days 20-28, and this was statistically significant, using a legitimate definition of statistically significant (95% CI, and p-value <0.0001) + +This suggests that that vaccines are causing kids to go to the ER between 4 and 12 days after vaccination, which is consistant with the expected timeframe for reactions to live vaccines such as the MMR and chickenpox vaccine, both of which are given at 12 months + +The most obvious form of bias would be to compare time periods of different lengths, but they are comparing a 9 day period to a 9 day period, so no issue there + +Another potential issue with a study like this study is that the rate of ER visits on days 20-28 is assumed to be non-vaccine related, and used as a control, so any vaccine related ER visits in this period would not only be missed but would contribute to a lower estimate of the number of day 4-12 ER visits that are attributable to vaccines, this bias would actually make the study underestimate the dangers of vaccines, but I don't know that it was a major issue based on the graphs provided + +The fact that they vaccine related ER visits had almost the exact same severity score as the none vaccine related ones might suggest that the ""vaccine related"" ER visits and non vaccine related ones, are for the exact same conditions, meaning that none of them are actually vaccine related (or that they all are, but this wouldn't explain the ER visits right before vaccination). However, there was no increase in facial injuries in the period of increased ER visits after vaccination, suggesting that the increase was actually do to different conditions, ie, they were actually vaccine related. Vaccine related and non-vaccine related ER visits could be the same average severity if this is a threshold at which parents take kids to the ER, and both vaccine related and non vaccine related ER visits are rarely more serious than this threshold + +The increase in ER visits after 18 month vaccinations (which include a second dose of MMR and chickenpox) was little to none, which is consistant with the fact that once you have had the 1 dose of a live virus vaccine you are usually vaccinated against side effects of subsequent doses, and this suggests that the increase in ER visits after the 12 months vaccines is either due to the live vaccines (MMR and/or chickenpox), or one of the non live vaccines that is given at 12 months but not at 18 months, although the timing 4-12 days after vaccination is more consistant with a live vaccine",2020-02-23 20:16:09 +Comment,1,fi7kz7e,,0,1582252147.0,Go the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia page on it,2020-02-21 04:29:07 +Comment,2,fi3d2mo,,0,1582141168.0,"And youre right. +(Also i was using food as an example)",2020-02-19 21:39:28 +Comment,2,fi2jp8i,,0,1582110149.0,"Of course not all “pro vax” individuals are the same. Honestly I think most are just uninformed/ misinformed. But the ones that call for segregation, loss of medical autonomy, or charges of abuse are definitely fascists. + +You don’t have to be monitored 24/7 to be experimented on. Tests performed illegally, without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects are unethical experiments. They do not provide information on the actual harms before getting consent, they bully people into consenting, they do not study the population they will actually be giving the vaccine or for any appropriate length of time. Again, see the comment in regards to vaccination of pregnant women. + +“Human subject research is systematic, scientific investigation that can be either interventional or observational and involves human beings as research subjects.” + +Absolutely food is important! We avoid eating out and buy all organic and non-gmo. Also, you have to worry about lotions, shampoos, makeup, tampons, toothpaste, etc. you absorb chemicals though your skin too.",2020-02-19 13:02:29 +Comment,1,fho2lto,,0,1581768237.0,I genuinely can't tell if this is satire,2020-02-15 14:03:57 +Comment,1,fgz1hot,,0,1581218372.0,"I respect people that dont want to vaccinate because of their child's experience with it, but so many people go on ""witch hunts"" abt things like big pharma. If your child is allergic to a vaccine than in all means, dont take that vaccine- but this is the situation for any other medicine. However, vaccines are not a one size fits all situation, just like other medicine. +I think both you and i have proven our points by now, so any more arguing could lead to a heated debate. Thank you for this opprotunity to both listen to and spread differing viewpoints.",2020-02-09 05:19:32 +Comment,1,fgyro8x,,0,1581215112.0,So? There are many people uncomfortable vaccinating their second and third children because their first child had such a bad reaction. What's your point?,2020-02-09 04:25:12 +Comment,1,fgxqftu,,0,1581204443.0,Did you know that some mothers cant breastfeed and have to resort to formula because they are uncomfortable with using another person's breastmilk.,2020-02-09 01:27:23 +Comment,1,fgxgne9,,0,1581201408.0,"Did you know prior to getting 'immunity' from the measles shot, infants were protected through breastmilk from their mother's naturally acquired immunity? The 'immunity' acquired through the shot isnt passed down through breastmilk thus creating the need to receive shots for life when the immunity wanes. And whooping cough? Read on... +Protection from the TdaP vaccine doesn’t last very long - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publishing +https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/protection-from-the-tdap-vaccine-doesnt-last-very-long-201602099202",2020-02-09 00:36:48 +Comment,1,fguyl1x,,0,1581161184.0,So does.... our bodies,2020-02-08 13:26:24 +Comment,1,fguy45t,,0,1581160873.0,"People that are pro vaccine want more progress to have a safe way to prevent potentially preventable diseases. +Most pro vaxxers do NOT think that the human body is completely figured out. +Pro vaxxers WANT evience; they want to know the effects of vaccines on the body just as much as anybody else. +Censorship of ideas IS wrong and it should not happen. +But people that want other people to be vaccinated are trying to help other people. +People pushing pro vax ideas are not fascist. They want to promote health. +And people that are against vaccines are likely to be thr same people that call out and ostracize people that are pro vax just as much as the other side. +If you don't want to take the flu shot then that's fine, but you are calling out pro vaxxers for being ""ignorant"" while the same could be said for everybody. +Getting a vaccine is not the same as being experimented on. +You are not kept under lock and key being monitored 24/7. +An unrelated side not is that if you are thay careful about injecting vaccines, you should also worry about the foods that you are feeding yourself. +In general, you NEED to be aware of the risks and benifits of many things like vaccines, food, oils, clothes, and many other things. +(Another side note is that you probably should not use reddit as evidence to debunk herd immunity)",2020-02-08 13:21:13 +Comment,1,fguw3o0,,0,1581159535.0,You know that infants too young to have vaccines can die from illnesses like measles and whooping cough etc.,2020-02-08 12:58:55 +Comment,1,fgurzz2,,0,1581156883.0,Touching bats can kill you. Never mind eating the thing. They are filthy.,2020-02-08 12:14:43 +Comment,1,fgue9o5,,0,1581147482.0,The virus was caused by someone eating a bat =_=,2020-02-08 09:38:02 +Comment,1,fgu0wib,,0,1581140698.0,"The Chinese regiment means that their blood is effectively sterilized from antiseptics and medicines and nutrients and antibodies, + + the cells coated + +and the lymph nodes bombarded with medical ingredients. + +It would also be interesting to know how often an average Chinese home sterilizes their bathroom, floor, shelves, windows and counters. As you said, a sterile environment isn't the aim, BUT an artificial one needs a routine maintenance.",2020-02-08 07:44:58 +Comment,1,fgtleg0,,0,1581134846.0,"> Their immune system is burdened as well as purged of natural disease detourants. + +I don't think there is any evidence for this, and I struggle to imagine any biologically plausible mechanism that would cause this. + +Vaccines are not especially burdensom to the immune system. On the contrary we encounter a dozen novel antigens per day, and at any given point our immune systems are in the process of combating 1000+ different insults (though the vast majority are mostly harmless like pet dander or pollen). + +Moreover, today's vaccination schedule is far less insulting than the one our parents went through. Today's children get more overall needle sticks, but smaller doses each time, and there are fewer novel antigens in said vaccines. In the 1960-70s they had no good way to determine which antigens to target to provoke an immune response, so they basically used brute force. Some vaccines had hundreds even thousands of antigens like the old Pertussis vaccine. Probably only a handful were relevant, but they couldn't isolate them, so they just gave you the whole load. Today we're much better at isolating the relevant ones. + +I saw a paper about this a few years back, IIRC a child born in the 2010s will be exposed to about 150 novel antigens through the CDC recommended vaccination schedule, a kid born in the 1980s probably got 3000, and in larger doses (but fewer shots). We probably get 20,000+ per year naturally anyway. As such, the insult from vaccinations is not that unusual, and in fact, far less significant than actually getting the flu or measles. I don't think there is any evidence that vaccination makes people ""softer"". + +While hygiene theory suggest growing up in a sterile environment is a bad thing, there is no evidence that surviving horrible illnesses somehow makes you stronger. In fact, I'd wager the opposite. A serous measles infection for example, can royally screw with your immune system for years. + +As to your question, I can't imagine how getting routine flu and TDAP shots would make you more susceptible to something like SARS or nCov. + +I'd guess modern epidemics are the result of habitat destruction via industrial agriculture, and reckless slaughter practices, and increased human mobility. The 2014 West Ebola outbreak was not unusual in any biological way, the only thing that changed was that modern Africa is surprisingly well connected with significant flow of goods and people, whereas 1970s Africa was isolated and most Ebola outbreaks were easily contained.",2020-02-08 06:07:26 +Comment,1,fgthaab,,0,1581133278.0,"Yes. +If they are enhanced by**. + +Chinese get Shots. Their immune system is burdened as well as purged of natural disease detourants.",2020-02-08 05:41:18 +Comment,1,fgtgtxf,,0,1581133094.0,So you're asking if these viruses came about as a natural response to human vaccination efforts?,2020-02-08 05:38:14 +Comment,1,fgtg4ei,,0,1581132845.0,"No one asked if they were engineered. *** + +So please, address the docket. + +Made*. Triggering, infers, Not engineered.",2020-02-08 05:34:05 +Comment,2,fgtee5h,,0,1581132133.0,"> Is it more likely that Corona and other viruses like SARS, Avian and ZIKA + +What? How did you arrive at this conclusion? Zika was identified in the 1950s and is very similar to its flavivirus cousins (less dangerous than most). Avian flu (H5N1) is literally just one of many flu strains. + +The first coronaviruses were identified in the 1960s, and are one of several that cause the common cold. You've almost certainly had a few coronavirus infections over the course of your life. SARS, MERS-CoV and the new nCov-2019 are unusually dangerous examples, but there is no evidence whatsoever that they were engineered. + +I don't see how vaccines could have anything to do with these recent spillovers either. Putting domesticated food animals in close quarters with wild animals and humans is a receipe for disaster. Bats in particular carry all sorts of nasties and being routinely exposed to bat viscera will eventually cause problems whether you got a flu shot or not.",2020-02-08 05:22:13 +Comment,1,fgsl0j4,,0,1581115758.0,"Are you referring to a colloquial history of malnourished, exhausted, Cold, dirty people?",2020-02-08 00:49:18 +Comment,2,fgsja0s,,0,1581114551.0,Lack of evidence or Bayesian prior,2020-02-08 00:29:11 +Comment,-2,fgsj6ne,,0,1581114487.0,"Well, that's besides the point. + +Is trusting in medical practices and or practioners, which is blind faith, a mental disorder?: yes. + +Is it a danger?: yes. + +Is it a detriment to our rights to discriminate against antivaccination beliefs or to favor vaccination beliefs?: yes. + +Is there grounds to stock faith in vaccinations?: no, and Ambiguity disqualifies the validity of vaccinations.",2020-02-08 00:28:07 +Comment,1,fgsi9xs,,0,1581113833.0,How so?,2020-02-08 00:17:13 +Comment,2,fgsehee,,0,1581110890.0,"No, it isn't",2020-02-07 23:28:10 +Comment,3,fgsb2bx,,0,1581107866.0,Doea that tin-foil hat ever get itchy?,2020-02-07 22:37:46 +Comment,4,fgrwmnn,,0,1581089218.0,"Occam’s razor, my dude. Check it out",2020-02-07 17:26:58 +Comment,1,fgrp58a,,0,1581081748.0,"Is it more likely that Corona and other viruses like SARS, Avian and ZIKA + +are man-made diseases implanted through vaccinations years in advance inadvertantly + +that are triggered when common diseases infect the contaminated cells? + +_ can blind faith in medical practices and practioners be our ultimate demise.",2020-02-07 15:22:28 +Comment,1,fgjnao8,,0,1580876353.0,https://thehighwire.com/,2020-02-05 06:19:13 +Comment,1,fgjn3kg,,0,1580876238.0,"Grab some books or research on DuckDuckGo. Google Firefox and Amazon block pro choice stuff so yeah. Dont use those search engines or order stuff online. + +Duckduckgo.com is probably the best way to find reliable info. + + +https://thehighwire.com/ + +Good link for modern non biased news :)) + +Edit: yeah aluminum is harmful for your body. The show covers it as-well.",2020-02-05 06:17:18 +Comment,1,fgf032j,,0,1580746134.0,Because there are.,2020-02-03 18:08:54 +Comment,1,fgedqzu,,0,1580726016.0,You are being ironic...right?,2020-02-03 12:33:36 +Comment,1,fgedhy1,,0,1580725856.0,"Because it spreads misinformation, swaying potentially weak minds.",2020-02-03 12:30:56 +Comment,1,fgecwkd,,0,1580725470.0,This is a coincidence.,2020-02-03 12:24:30 +Comment,1,fgecs3h,,0,1580725391.0,Why would you do this?,2020-02-03 12:23:11 +Comment,1,fgecocm,,0,1580725325.0,She is wrong,2020-02-03 12:22:05 +Comment,1,fge3cjk,,0,1580719211.0,"Unsure tbh, I don’t know anything else than what I linked in my above post, sorry.",2020-02-03 10:40:11 +Comment,2,fge39u6,,0,1580719164.0,Do the particles of aluminum cross the blood brain barrier?,2020-02-03 10:39:24 +Comment,1,fg6ux9y,,0,1580606250.0,"I totally agree, and it is much harder to detox heavy metals once it is in the lymph nodes.",2020-02-02 03:17:30 +Comment,1,fg5tzh0,,0,1580567618.0,"A ""boosted"" immune system is what would be called an autoimmune disorder and is not a good thing. Vaccines provide the building blocks for your immune system to properly fight off a virus when it comes into contact with one. It allows your body to make antibodies to these diseases. Generally, without being vaccinated, your body has to have time to make these cell mediated responses and fight off the infection, then it's stored in your immune systems memory. Vaccines allow you to create this memory without contracting the actual disease. Some of the things we vaccinate for don't have a good prognosis either, like tetanus or polio.",2020-02-01 16:33:38 +Comment,1,fg42hh5,,0,1580523579.0,"It is quite common for scientists to grow and use human tissues in medical research. The [HeLa cell line](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa) due to the controversy surrounding the family's lack of compensation. These cells were harvested from the cervical cancer of a woman names Henrietta Lacks, and have been propagated in labs around the world since (some labs are making profits growing and selling them to other labs). They are extensively used in cancer research, so overall a good thing to have, but does the family of Ms. Lacks deserve a cut of this profit? + +Anyway, two other cell lines (both from aborted fetuses from the 1960s) are commonly used in vaccine research and development. + +So the answer is, kind of. They aren't buying fetuses from Planned Parenthood and grinding them up to add to the vaccine. But some vaccines were developed using these cell lines. Note that many drugs also make use of such cell lines, it'd be very hard to avoid them all. Cell lines like these are one of the foundations of modern medical research.",2020-02-01 04:19:39 +Comment,1,fg40ao1,,0,1580522261.0,"No, there are no aborted fetal cells in vaccines. +> The production of a few vaccines, including those for varicella, rubella, and hepatitis A, involves growing the viruses in human cell culture. Two human cell lines provide the cell cultures needed for producing vaccines; these lines were developed from two legally aborted fetuses in the 1960s. These cell lines are maintained to have an indefinite life span. No fetal tissue has been added since the cell lines were originally created. +Some parents are concerned about this issue because of misinformation they have encountered on the Internet. Two such untrue statements are that ongoing abortions are needed to manufacture vaccines and vaccines are contaminated with fetal tissue. + +https://www.immunize.org/askexperts/vaccine-safety.asp + +The cell lines came from abortions due to congenital rubella syndrome resulting from a 1964 rubella epidemic. +https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/503157 +The vaccines that were developed because of these two cell lines have prevented an estimated 10+ million deaths. +The rubella vaccine prevented over 633,000 miscarriages in the U.S. alone, and countless more across the globe, and it has prevented tens of millions of clinical health issues in children. +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5689800/",2020-02-01 03:57:41 +Comment,-1,fg3u16g,,0,1580518459.0,"Aborted fetuses used in vaccines and vaccine development + +https://youtu.be/bvBszdGBOxM +Stanley plotkins admits 76 fetuses used in vaccine development + +Human diploid cells +https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf + +Summary of human aborted fetus cell lines +http://journeyboost.com/2018/07/31/are-aborted-baby-parts-in-vaccines/ + +Religious objections +https://immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm + +Dr. Deisher on informed consent with human dna in vaccines and drugs +https://bioethicsarchive.georgetown.edu/pcbe/transcripts/sept08/deisher_statement.pdf + +https://youtu.be/ZsCAUKUTb20 + +Dr. Theresa Deisher finds correlation between human fetal DNA in vaccines and Autism. +https://www.soundchoice.org/scpiJournalPubHealthEpidem092014.pdf “ Broadening changes in diagnostic criteria for ASD complicate interpretation of the current epidemic. Therefore, we focused on autistic disorder (previously called infantile autism), the most severe form of ASD, which has relatively constant diagnostic criteria over the past 5 decades”",2020-02-01 02:54:19 +Comment,2,fg3px5o,,0,1580515932.0,Cell lines.,2020-02-01 02:12:12 +Comment,3,fg37klk,,0,1580502218.0,She's very wrong,2020-01-31 22:23:38 +Comment,5,fg1oi75,,0,1580459642.0,"Wikipedia isn't the best source, but this is a good explanation of the issue [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use\_of\_fetal\_tissue\_in\_vaccine\_development](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development)",2020-01-31 10:34:02 +Comment,2,ffy1i32,,0,1580365506.0,What on earth are you talking about?,2020-01-30 08:25:06 +Comment,2,ffwoymt,,0,1580336228.0,"“Aluminum-containing adjuvants are vaccine ingredients that have been used in vaccines since the 1930s. Small amounts of aluminum are added to help the body build stronger immunity against the germ in the vaccine. Aluminum is one of the most common metals found in nature and is present in air, food, and water.” +Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html + +Hope this gives some clarification, doesn’t cause any negative effects in the body so long as it’s in small quantities.",2020-01-30 00:17:08 +Comment,9,ffuvxpe,,0,1580279156.0,"I mean, it literally says 100 mcg/LITRE! But I guess lots of people don't know much a litre means? Or how much 100 mcg means? + +Anyway, definitely reminds of this ridiculous thing antivaxxers misread. https://i.imgur.com/filMloR.jpg",2020-01-29 08:25:56 +Comment,2,ffuqoka,,0,1580276292.0,"This does still show that far more aluminum is absorbed when it is injected compared to when ingested, so the comparison to food still don't work + +The thing I find odd about this is that aluminum in the lymph is a common antivax talking point, which this seems to confirm",2020-01-29 07:38:12 +Comment,1,ffukn0i,,0,1580272756.0,"While [shedding](http://vaxopedia.org/2016/09/17/shedding-and-vaccines/) is real for some [live vaccines](http://vaxopedia.org/2016/08/31/live-vaccines/), like oral polio and rotavirus, it is rarely a problem.",2020-01-29 06:39:16 +Comment,1,ffujsa7,,0,1580272239.0,"This guy is kidding me, when they take pregnant woman’s blood for tests, they would usually check for hepatitis B. YIKES.",2020-01-29 06:30:39 +Comment,1,ffpugh0,,0,1580134951.0,You have yet to respond. Are you conceding and admitting I’m right?,2020-01-27 16:22:31 +Comment,2,ffjp4oa,,0,1580032243.0,"1. Freedom of* +2. How does looking up the freedom of information act (A bill passed in 1966 btw) bring up the supposed amount they owe?",2020-01-26 11:50:43 +Comment,1,ffj0725,,0,1580015879.0,">READ THE PAPER  + +You ask us to read the paper but don't provide a link. This is worthless.",2020-01-26 07:17:59 +Comment,1,ffhga5k,,0,1579962777.0,The fact that that number fluctuates so vastly from antivaxxer to antivaxxer is pretty telling of its veracity,2020-01-25 16:32:57 +Comment,3,ffhfxx7,,0,1579962380.0,"Generally, no vaccines don’t help you build overall immune health. If you count helping build general immunity to different strains of a single virus then yes, but other than that not really.",2020-01-25 16:26:20 +Comment,2,ffbcpfw,,0,1579788642.0,When I was pregnant and got bloodwork done they tested for everything including Hep B. What kind of doctor is this?,2020-01-23 16:10:42 +Comment,1,ffb9yyi,,0,1579785556.0,Fuk you are daft! I'm done. I cant argue with a complete moron and feel ok with it. Do everyone a favour and do something with your life that doesn't involve big words or sharp knives. You can still do some good! Just dont procreate.,2020-01-23 15:19:16 +Comment,1,ffb6kmj,,0,1579781956.0,"There was never a vaccine for the plague so wtf are you talking about? No one died in the north american outbreak of measles. As for other places (like third world countries) I'm gonna let you try and figure it out for yourself, genius. Why DO so many die in third world countries as opposed to first world countries? Come on, I know you can do it.",2020-01-23 14:19:16 +Comment,1,ff95x44,,0,1579734401.0,What plague? Are you talking about the measles outbreak? The outbreak of the 'common childhood illness' where no one died and people used to laugh about on tv before large corporations had you believe it was the coming demise of the human race? And how would you know about adverse effects? At the WHO vaccine convention in December it was presented that there is almost no information tracked as to long term adverse effects for any vaccines. Yes they're great for saying it causes a sore arm but if its longer than the monitoring period (for example the hep b shot is monitored for 4DAYS) they won't even consider it. Why are you ok with this?,2020-01-23 01:06:41 +Comment,1,ff91qj4,,0,1579731471.0,Everybody knows they're a health risk you twit. They've been declared unavoidably unsafe by the supreme court. It's a matter of determining what the health risks are.,2020-01-23 00:17:51 +Comment,1,ff8ehtb,,0,1579703870.0,Oh hun. You're so far stunted regarding the vaccine argument that it's really just too much effort. Go back to bed.,2020-01-22 16:37:50 +Comment,1,ff8bam3,,0,1579700484.0,Oh come on....,2020-01-22 15:41:24 +Comment,1,ff83ghq,,0,1579693773.0,Maybe because their brain is swelling...,2020-01-22 13:49:33 +Comment,1,ff7xsll,,0,1579689699.0,Have you ever seen a 1 year old bashing his head against his crib and screaming for days within a hour of receiving a shot?,2020-01-22 12:41:39 +Comment,2,ff66d0n,,0,1579649012.0,"It's not 'lifesaving medicine'. It is injected into a healthy individual as a preventative measure and as such needs to meet stringent health standards that, as of yet, have not been met.",2020-01-22 01:23:32 +Comment,1,ff4nsqg,,0,1579596917.0,"According to those that studied this very thing concerning misinformation, most of it is not actually misinformation. Presented at the WHO vaccine symposium in December 2019.",2020-01-21 10:55:17 +Comment,2,fe7pdsl,,0,1578946496.0,That guy is and should not be a medical doctor,2020-01-13 22:14:56 +Comment,2,fe750n6,,0,1578938909.0,Probably this user is also an idiot.,2020-01-13 20:08:29 +Comment,2,fe74ye6,,0,1578938884.0,"It does. It's highly infectious, like 0,0004 ml of infected blood can infect you with hep B, while only about 0,01 with HIV if i remember correctly. + +Also, hep B virus is veeeery resistant to usual disinfectants. Lasts even years in dry conditions on surfaces at room temperature. Aaand to top it all, it can give you chronic hepatitis as a kid in 90% cases. Whereas as an adult, in 90% cases you heal.",2020-01-13 20:08:04 +Comment,2,fe6kt10,,0,1578923002.0,What a time to be alive.,2020-01-13 15:43:22 +Comment,5,fe6jh7z,,0,1578921696.0,Just put dr in your handle and you instantly know everything,2020-01-13 15:21:36 +Comment,3,fe6beah,,0,1578914933.0,"> How does the hexavalent vaccine and the insurance system matter? + +Different vaccine, different indications and schedules. Obviously insurance system will affect antenatal care and screenings, which affect the risk/benefit analysis for something like the Hep B vaccine (which, again, is not the same as the vaccine you're mentioning in the UK). It's just a different healthcare system. That there are different immunization schedules isn't particularly surprising or even necessarily meaningful. + +>Aren't babies particularly sensitive when they are first borne? + +The vaccine is tolerated fine, so I dunno what else this would imply that's worth addressing. + +>I was thinking that it makes more sense not to give unneeded vaccines or medications on the first day of life just to improve compliance + +It's not ""unneeded"" on day 1 any more than day 60 or day 600. You derive more benefit from earlier vaccination by definition. It also improves compliance because you already have started the schedule, informed the parents, and can test the mother. + +>although if there are testing errors I can understand this + +That and screening insufficiencies, etc. + +>Why are you always so hostile? + +Why are you always quick to make sweeping and uninformed judgments? I've just got no patience for such nonsense, and if you have any intellectual honesty then you'll grit your teeth, take the lumps where you've earned them, and be better for it. + +You might benefit from reading about this: + +https://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2130.pdf",2020-01-13 13:28:53 +Comment,7,fe61fok,,0,1578908442.0,There’s other ways to get Hep B than from the mother. Kids bite each other all the time in preschool.,2020-01-13 11:40:42 +Comment,4,fe60xiz,,0,1578908119.0,"I like this, very mature. I’ll do my best.",2020-01-13 11:35:19 +Comment,6,fe5vro4,,0,1578904839.0,"Pulling a line from The OC, “Great idea, I’ll think about that!” (I’m paraphrasing, but essentially the character was using this line as a push off technique to get out of further conversation without starting an argument that isn’t worth your time and energy.)",2020-01-13 10:40:39 +Comment,8,fe5fvum,,0,1578897732.0,"> Honestly it is wired that they are giving this vaccine on day 1 + +To belabor the point that this is a pretty vapid comment: + +>>Universal HepB vaccination of all infants beginning at birth provides a critical safeguard and prevents infection among infants born to HBsAg-positive mothers not identified prenatally (e.g., in situations where the mother was not tested or when testing, interpretation, or transcription errors occurred). + +>>Approximately 88% of commercially insured women and 84% of Medicaid-enrolled women are tested for HBsAg during pregnancy (27). In one study of a large health system in northern California, 93% of HBsAg-positive pregnant women were tested for HBV DNA (28). Most (94.9%) infants born to infected women receive recommended prophylaxis within 12 hours of birth (29). + +>>Universal HepB vaccine birth dose coverage, defined as 1 dose of vaccine administered by 3 days of life, is 71.1% (30), an increase from 50.1% during 2003–2005 prior to revised ACIP recommendations for the birth dose before hospital discharge (31), but below the Healthy People 2020 target of 85% (32). + +So we have [three good reasons](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/rr/rr6701a1.htm). First, through failure to identify Hep B positive mothers through two different mechanisms, and for compliance reasons (the baby *is* right there, after all). + +Now the UK does it differently. They have both a different healthcare/insurance system, and they also use a hexavalent vaccine rather than monovalent Hep B vaccines. That's two levels of incongruent comparisons, and no particular substantive reason to delay other than if you support lower compliance rates and increased testing failure risks. + +But, hey, glad you see no issue with it.",2020-01-13 08:42:12 +Comment,3,fe5djx4,,0,1578896908.0,"> Honestly it is wired that they are giving this vaccine on day 1 + +No it's not. + +>and I see no reason to give it at birth + +Noted, but this isn't a reason to delay it from birth. + +There's no substance in this comment.",2020-01-13 08:28:28 +Comment,5,fe599uq,,0,1578895561.0,Why would you thank someone for being an idiot?,2020-01-13 08:06:01 +Comment,3,fe51tql,,0,1578893727.0,"My understanding is that hep b spreads pretty easily and is “silent,” meaning most people who have it won’t realize until years later. Because of this, the idea is that we should provide protection as soon as possible. I am just sick of all the anti vax stuff she sends, regardless of what vaccine it’s about or which “doctor” is saying it.",2020-01-13 07:35:27 +Comment,-1,fe5134y,,0,1578893461.0,Tell her thank you,2020-01-13 07:31:01 +Comment,1,fe1fb85,,0,1578854719.0,"Well, I'm convinced. + +Joining the pro-disease army today.",2020-01-12 20:45:19 +Comment,1,fe0bmy8,,0,1578837670.0,Lel next post,2020-01-12 16:01:10 +Comment,3,fdxkc9o,,0,1578798438.0,"D- effort, dude. I've seen better trolling by toddlers.",2020-01-12 05:07:18 +Comment,3,fdwkft9,,0,1578788442.0,You're being way too obvious,2020-01-12 02:20:42 +Comment,2,fdva5en,,0,1578774037.0,Have you heard that bleach and cyanide works better? If you drink it then the positive energy will flow through you if you put one amethyst crystal on your head and one on your kids head,2020-01-11 22:20:37 +Comment,10,fduxjtv,,0,1578769376.0,"I used to be antivax, I have a good idea of how people actually think when they are scared of vaccines, but this just sounds insane and incoherent, you are trolling",2020-01-11 21:02:56 +Comment,-11,fdux549,,0,1578769159.0,well i DO. you disrespectful sheep. the natural scent lures out impurities in the mind and it’s our diseases! the crystals then kill these diseases on the outside,2020-01-11 20:59:19 +Comment,11,fduwh1d,,0,1578768812.0,"Obvious troll, antivaxers don't use essential oils to cure autism",2020-01-11 20:53:32 +Comment,2,fdoeoiu,,0,1578632511.0,Gotcha. I think I started to watch it one night but I fell asleep.,2020-01-10 07:01:51 +Comment,1,fdoelqi,,0,1578632473.0,Breaking Bad,2020-01-10 07:01:13 +Comment,2,fdoecs9,,0,1578632353.0,"You mean that's not you in the pic? Well I'll be a son-of-a-bitch. I was going to compliment your shirt and ask where you got it. + +I am jk can't remember which movie",2020-01-10 06:59:13 +Comment,1,fdod2kv,,0,1578631744.0,"I think in this Sunreddit fortunately we are safe. Outside of this group I'd be concerned. + +It's not my meme unfortunately, found it on FB.",2020-01-10 06:49:04 +Comment,1,fdocovt,,0,1578631560.0,"If that was what was on her mind, she would not be bare handing it and she most definitely would not be holding the freaking syringe in her mouth. Honestly, I'm not anti-vaxx. What worries me is uneducated people seeing this crap storm meme.",2020-01-10 06:46:00 +Comment,3,fdo9mgo,,0,1578630071.0,#SafetyFirst,2020-01-10 06:21:11 +Comment,3,fdnt1hq,,0,1578621053.0,As far as I know no vaccine requires the use of a tourniquet. Source....I'm a nurse.,2020-01-10 03:50:53 +Comment,1,fdl9wjo,,0,1578548346.0,I hope to god this is supposed to be satire,2020-01-09 07:39:06 +Comment,0,fdkyhj7,,0,1578542567.0,"Honestly, thanks for letting the entire post know what type of person you are, who says *""Vaccines are evil""*.",2020-01-09 06:02:47 +Comment,1,fdi0yi4,,0,1578462589.0,Indeed,2020-01-08 07:49:49 +Comment,1,fde72bd,,0,1578361401.0,Like it seemed to be a big deal but after I asked it was immediately not. Schizophrenia?,2020-01-07 03:43:21 +Comment,1,fdd11qz,,0,1578319384.0,You mean like how literally ANY person would respond to being asked if they're fine when nothing eventful is happening to them?,2020-01-06 16:03:04 +Comment,4,fd73mdk,,0,1578227809.0,Case study of one elderly male with significant risk factors. He would have had to have teetering on the edge of having a stroke for the minor inflammation associated with vaccination to have causal relationship.,2020-01-05 14:36:49 +Comment,3,fd6jkiy,,0,1578220821.0,It can happen. Case study documenting stroke after flu vaccination: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3258725/,2020-01-05 12:40:21 +Comment,1,fd0uio2,,0,1578152737.0,You almost definitely know more about this than me. XD,2020-01-04 17:45:37 +Comment,4,fczcgxb,,0,1578126944.0,"She also claims to have slight schozophrenia but if you asked how she is doing she would say ""fine""",2020-01-04 10:35:44 +Comment,10,fczcdvl,,0,1578126894.0,Yeah it's called a coincidence. Are they ok though?,2020-01-04 10:34:54 +Comment,1,fcz9z5x,,0,1578125469.0,"I don't think there is a particular irreversible point that has been identified but it possible that we would reach such a point, perhaps as early as the late 2020's, but this is not yet clear and we could have more time. What is clear is that we need to invest in new technology to generate power without CO2 emissions, and we need to do it now, but extinction of humans is in no way definitive, and talking about human extinction is a distraction from the very real problems climate change is causing and will continue to cause",2020-01-04 10:11:09 +Comment,1,fcz9gpc,,0,1578125166.0,Welp I'm screwed. That's true though. I think it's saying climate change may be irreversible by 2030 and it can also lead to extinction.,2020-01-04 10:06:06 +Comment,2,fcz994o,,0,1578125042.0,"Climate change is a major problem, but extinction by 2030 is totally unrealistic and not what scientists are saying, this meme is actually counterproductive by contributing to the narrative that concerns about climate are all just alarmism + +Crossposted to r/badscience",2020-01-04 10:04:02 +Comment,1,fcy1n31,,0,1578102281.0,Weirdo.,2020-01-04 03:44:41 +Comment,1,fcxzz6w,,0,1578101545.0,Oh yes it is,2020-01-04 03:32:25 +Comment,1,fcx63cz,,0,1578081572.0,It wasn't a compliment.,2020-01-03 21:59:32 +Comment,1,fcwh6gd,,0,1578054320.0,Yes it is thank you. I appreciate the compliment,2020-01-03 14:25:20 +Comment,1,fcwh2q9,,0,1578054241.0,Your name is very fitting.,2020-01-03 14:24:01 +Comment,1,fcvp94h,,0,1578035815.0,Vaccines are evil haha,2020-01-03 09:16:55 +Comment,2,fcvh7f4,,0,1578030821.0,Yes. It obviously is sexist towards men.,2020-01-03 07:53:41 +Comment,1,fcvf1sq,,0,1578029540.0,"The WHO doesn't care about men's health. They promote male genital mutilation in Africa as a quack preventative against HIV and numerous diseases including HPV, yet they want to restrict male access to first world treatment against HPV. They violate the rights of men and boys.",2020-01-03 07:32:20 +Comment,1,fcveid0,,0,1578029222.0,You really think the WHO is that sexist against men that they wouldn't care about men's health?,2020-01-03 07:27:02 +Comment,2,fcveflr,,0,1578029178.0,No they aren't,2020-01-03 07:26:18 +Comment,2,fcvecpq,,0,1578029131.0,The reason is sexism,2020-01-03 07:25:31 +Comment,1,fcvde53,,0,1578028556.0,"That there is only an 11% gender imbalance yet the HWO is advocation a 100% gender imbalance in vaccination. However, there is probably a reason for this based on epidemiology, not sexism",2020-01-03 07:15:56 +Comment,1,fcvd3yv,,0,1578028387.0,What seems odd?,2020-01-03 07:13:07 +Comment,1,fcvasad,,0,1578027006.0,That does seem odd,2020-01-03 06:50:06 +Comment,1,fcvancg,,0,1578026924.0,But girls are at greater risk,2020-01-03 06:48:44 +Comment,1,fcv7643,,0,1578024851.0,">Also, if girls are vaccinated this will help to protect they boys that have sex with the girls + +If boys are vaccinated this will help to protect the girls that have sex with the boys",2020-01-03 06:14:11 +Comment,3,fcv6xro,,0,1578024712.0,"[https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/race.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/race.htm) + +An 11% gender imbalance. + +That's not a clause to restrict all the vaccines to girls first.",2020-01-03 06:11:52 +Comment,1,fcv5nuu,,0,1578023957.0,">Boys are just as human and deserving of disease preventing treatment as girls. + +No one disputes this, the WHO don't want to vaccinate boys, because girls are at higher risk from HPV, and there isn't enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone, rationing a limited supply by only giving it to those who need it most is not dehumanizing anyone, it's just good public health policy + +Also, if girls are vaccinated this will help to protect they boys that have sex with the girls",2020-01-03 05:59:17 +Comment,3,fcu0160,,0,1577996534.0,It's YOUR petition! Lol.,2020-01-02 22:22:14 +Comment,4,fctzz6b,,0,1577996469.0,"Sign this petition, everyone! Boys are just as human and deserving of disease preventing treatment as girls.",2020-01-02 22:21:09 +Comment,1,fcletfo,,0,1577774944.0,Oh f*** off.,2019-12-31 08:49:04 +Comment,0,fcl77b7,,0,1577770095.0,"of course he had to be brave, he’s getting diseases that will harm him injected into his body. Disgraceful. 😔😭",2019-12-31 07:28:15 +Comment,2,fcgfsgl,,0,1577668300.0,Wheres all your info to back any of this up? Seems like you're just pulling numbers out of your ass tbh,2019-12-30 03:11:40 +Comment,1,fc6i7dt,,0,1577509974.0,">I didn''t mean that industry funded studies are entirely useless + +That is effectively what you said though + +>but way too many people think conflicts of interest don't matter in vaccine research + +You might feel that way but that's not a fallacy. You need to adjust your wording to get to that more tenable position. + +Probably a good idea to update the citations too with the original paper since it's an interesting read on its own and worth highlighting",2019-12-28 07:12:54 +Comment,1,fc6fbmr,,0,1577508027.0,"I didn''t mean that industry funded studies are entirely useless, but way too many people think conflicts of interest don't matter in vaccine research",2019-12-28 06:40:27 +Comment,3,fc5csk7,,0,1577482372.0,">Claiming that industry-funded studies aren't biased. This is simply not true https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20614424. When citing studies, make sure they don't have major conflicts of interest ***IMPORTANT*** This is NOT the most up to date evidence of the flu vaccine's effectiveness, I only cited this as a source for the fact that industry-funded studies are biased. Here are more up to date reviews: + +This isn't remotely in line with FDA approval standards. I also don't see how the Cochrane review in any way justifies your opinion here unless you misunderstand what 'bias' is meant in these reviews. + +Edit: So I missed what you're likely referring to with this link, the warning at the bottom of this (and only this) Cochrane review. This review itself has no particular issue with or statement against industry funded studies and, of course, included many. The actual study you're trying to refer to is [this one](https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.b354) by another study author on these Cochrane reviews you've cited. Notably these reviews are in line with reported influenza vaccine efficacy which is common, that being ~45%. + +I've taken one example from the 2009 review you have meant to cite as an example (see Wongsurakiat 2004 in Table 2): + +>>Study was conducted over one year. Conclusions support recommendation of annual vaccination (one dose is sufficient in adults, as strong response has been observed). Authors note that vaccine effectiveness has been shown, even if it was possibly administered too late (in region where study was carried out peak incidence of influenza occurs usually in May). + +All totally in line with their results. They have strong evidence of an effect even with a later administration. Seasonal homogeneity isn't uncommon, so this is a bizarre complaint against strong statistical results and completely 'concordant' summary in the conclusion. In fact, the delayed administration of the first dose still being effective is totally in line with rapid waning of influenza vaccine efficacy. Plus the patients had a second booster dose which is not normally recommended for adults, further maintaining higher titer levels into the next season. On a cynical reading, one might think that patients sick in May were included even though vaccination began in June. In reality, given the study was conducted for a full calendar year which simply rolled over a month after 'normal peak' season, this means that vaccination began in June of 1997, included May 1998 (peak season) and went through October 1998. + +>>Comment: though authors state that effectiveness is shown for influenza related ARI only, and not influenza, they recommend vaccination for patients with COPD. + +Because it demonstrated statistically significant reduction for influenza related ARI or, as referred to in the study, ILI. + +>>This means recommending vaccine though it is not effective against influenza and acute exacerbations. + +Misleading or incorrect wording. The Cochrane authors are distinguishing ILI and laboratory confirmed influenza virus infection (causing the pathology 'influenza'). As the original authors state, viral propagation from infection was only possible in 10% of those patients with ILI presentation. The paper does *not* demonstrate a *lack* of efficacy, but only *fails* to demonstrate *presence* of efficacy for lab confirmed influenza. Yet considering the serology confirmed increase in antibody titer, strong reduction in ILI, and lack of effect against non-influenza ARI, this is a terrible mischaracterization of the study and its conclusions. Usually there is no ability to distinguish between flu-ARI and non-flu-ARI. However in this case other viral agents were confirmed, giving much higher confidence in proper ILI designation. + +>>In addition, lack of comment on community viral circulation and vaccine content and matching make verification of effectiveness against ARI impossible. + +I have no idea what the Cochrane authors are saying here. Wongsurakiat et al *do* comment on circulating virus among the community, *do* comment on vaccine content, and *do* make a matching verification. The predominantly circulating type A flu was H3N2 at the time, of which the vaccine component was stated to be on target, and of which the majority of confirmed flu in the study was confirmed to be type A. moreover, they confirm specific titer increases for the study subjects in line with well-known protective level thresholds. And, finally, the authors *don't* suggest the vaccine has effect against ARI--that is to say all acute respiratory infections--and instead say it is true for *only* influenza-ARI. + +This being a prime example in their table of discordance...I'm extremely disappointed. The Cochrane authors seem to dispute the sensitive nature of COPD patients to airway exacerbations and wholly ignore this supreme risk factor which any responsible clinician must weigh (risk) against perceived benefit of the vaccine (reward). See this excerpt: + +>>All the unvaccinated patients with moderate-to-severe +COPD who were hospitalized because of influenzarelated ARI required mechanical ventilation. One of +these patients with severe COPD died because of +ventilator-associated pneumonia. In contrast, none +of the vaccinated patients required mechanical ventilatory support because of ARI related to influenza +virus infection. + +Now, these results might not be statistically significant, but they aren't evidence of it being ""not effective against influenza and acute exacerbations"" like the Cochrane authors state. Are the Cochrane authors *really* disputing the idea that influenza vaccination proved effective against ILI? Or are they just harping on the lack of distinction between ILI and lab-confirmed influenza? Because one of those questions has an obvious and practical answer for clinicians, and the other is an academic or philosophical exercise. I'm either missing something big, or this is a huge oversight on the part of the Cochrane authors. Cochrane authors are humans the same as all the other study authors. To conclude that industry funded studies are completely unreliable is not 'concordant' with the Cochrane authors themselves.",2019-12-27 23:32:52 +Comment,1,fc3n34r,,0,1577422450.0,Clearly reply back.,2019-12-27 06:54:10 +Comment,0,fc2do3s,,0,1577382923.0,Yes 'cause the fact that opposing opinions from a site such as this REALLY impacts my life. Oh my. Whatever shall I do?,2019-12-26 19:55:23 +Comment,1,fbyhrrk,,0,1577246017.0,That negative comment karma must feel good huh,2019-12-25 05:53:37 +Comment,1,fby6tz3,,0,1577238305.0,I guess you can just put fake facts on a billboard any time you want? Isn't there quality control or something? I would be interested to see a study of how extremely you can advertise lies....,2019-12-25 03:45:05 +Comment,2,fby6orx,,0,1577238205.0,ok done,2019-12-25 03:43:25 +Comment,1,fby2l99,,0,1577235367.0,Oh whoops,2019-12-25 02:56:07 +Comment,-2,fby17er,,0,1577234424.0,No sense in sticking your head in the sand about the way the world is working. We would be wise to make sure our health is not compromised by those who dont give a toss about us.,2019-12-25 02:40:24 +Comment,1,fbxgawu,,0,1577214757.0,Antivaxxers lying! Who would have guessed?!,2019-12-24 21:12:37 +Comment,0,fbxaovb,,0,1577206117.0,You sound like an escaped antivaxxer who snuck onto the wrong thread.,2019-12-24 18:48:37 +Comment,3,fbx9hig,,0,1577204358.0,"Also the numbers are bullshit. The vaccine schedule is [here](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html). Even just naively counting up everthing (though certain doses and vaccines are not for everyone) and assuming a flu shot every year the grand total doses by age 18 still falls short of 60, let alone 72.",2019-12-24 18:19:18 +Comment,2,fbx4hna,,0,1577197796.0,"The pacific northwest outbreak didn't cause any deaths, [https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html](https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html) you should edit your post to say cases, not deaths",2019-12-24 16:29:56 +Comment,2,fbx4b60,,0,1577197586.0,Pacific Northwest,2019-12-24 16:26:26 +Comment,2,fbx3we9,,0,1577197114.0,"Northwest of what? + +EDIT: The pacific northwest outbreak didn't cause any deaths, [https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html](https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html)",2019-12-24 16:18:34 +Comment,-4,fbwzf7o,,0,1577192596.0,"That would have to be debated. For example the dpt shot given in in Africa(?) had the result of 10x as many deaths due to, apparently, immune dysfunction. That is for every one they saved with the shot, 10 succumbed to other opportunistic infections. So it would appear for that population the vaccine didnt save lives. It's dangerous to raise a pharmaceutical product to godlike reverence and ignore (or deny) the existence of the problems that arise as a result of that product. It's REALLY important to acknowledge and track problems that arise over time (needing a 3rd mmr shot, mutating viruses, waning (apparent) effectiveness and be ble to debate it with facts as they are. That doesnt happen in this industry or with the institutions we have trusted to oversee the industry. Stop arguing about the feckin science and make sure old fashioned GREED and FRAUD is not contributing to the downfall of our health and peace of mind.",2019-12-24 15:03:16 +Comment,0,fbwiihb,,0,1577179621.0,"Dude if it's bigger you want it in front of it not behind. + +It's not a problem if nobody sees it. ;)",2019-12-24 11:27:01 +Comment,5,fbwifye,,0,1577179569.0,"See claims like this annoy me, same with autism rates. + +Could it be better access to healthcare meaning more people get treatment? +Could it be advances in medical sciences leading to better diagnosis rates? +Could it even be that these stats are just entirely made up out of their arses? + +Nope. Course not. Vaccines!",2019-12-24 11:26:09 +Comment,3,fbwglaf,,0,1577178174.0,Should be amended to include all the measles cases here in the Pacific Northwest,2019-12-24 11:02:54 +Comment,3,fbweqvv,,0,1577176789.0,Rent out an even bigger billboard directly after it that says vaccines save lives. Only solution.,2019-12-24 10:39:49 +Comment,2,fb7msed,,0,1576623189.0,Unbelievable. We should really be careful.,2019-12-18 00:53:09 +Comment,1,faxqd1d,,0,1576416724.0,"So do I. Yet we have different conclusions. + +You forcing your assumptions on me and my family “for the greater good” is a fascist and extremely dangerous mentality. + +If vaccines are safe then prove it. Because the science shows they aren’t safe or effective. Its only propaganda. + +Vaccine manufacturers should have the same judicial oversight on vaccines or “biologics” as drugs. + +There should be double blind placebo testing on vaccines, same as drugs. + +Compare the health of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. + +The best thing that has happened for the “greater good” has been the freedom of speech. Especially the freedom to speak against tyranny. There is never a topic great enough to promote giving up that right. + +Absolute power corrupts absolutely.",2019-12-15 15:32:04 +Comment,1,fatvb1a,,0,1576370704.0,"I don't, I read papers and go through the methods and analysis myself",2019-12-15 02:45:04 +Comment,2,fatu499,,0,1576370431.0,"Yes, have you? + +If the topic is censored how can you do anything else but blindly follow the dogma dictated to you?",2019-12-15 02:40:31 +Comment,2,fatst1h,,0,1576370086.0,Have you thought that blindly following an ideology without nuance regardless of consequences might not be a good thing?,2019-12-15 02:34:46 +Comment,0,fasyoeu,,0,1576361744.0,"No it’s the “doing what’s best to protect your individual rights from an overreaching government” in this case that’s lying about the profit driven industry of vaccines. + +Don’t confuse “doing what’s right” with “doing what you believe is right” because that’s relative to your knowledge and understanding of the issues. According to a large body of research, scientists, doctors and even the vaccine manufacturers and US supreme government vaccines are very dangerous. And in my opinion doing what’s right would involve radically changing the vaccine schedule if not abolishing all together.",2019-12-15 00:15:44 +Comment,4,faqwigg,,0,1576337974.0,"Ah yes, the old ""doing what's best to make sure people don't die of preventable diseases is the same as Nazism"" argument. Rock solid.",2019-12-14 17:39:34 +Comment,-2,faqmmdu,,0,1576333950.0,"No you teach people logic and critical thinking. Teach people to be honest and respect others. Encourage free thinking and scientific progress. + +Lies and censorship are never the answer. + +Herd immunity does not and cannot exist due to vaccination. +https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/ea6kwr/comment/faoyld9 + +https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccinesCause/comments/dwacb7/the_myth_of_herd_immunity/ + +Pro vaccine choice individuals are the ones calling for more study and scientific progress. It is usually the ones that call for more vaccination that have the hubris to believe the science is settled and we know everything there is to know about the human body and the immune system. + +It is the ones against vaccine choice that have the arrogance to demand everyone follow what they believe regardless of the individuals hurt along the way. The belief that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and that the nation state should be allowed to tell an individual what to inject into their body are fascist ideals. + +Fascism - anti-intellectual, anti-democratic, individual interests are subordinated to the good of the nation, forcibly suppresses opposition and criticism, regiments industry, commerce, etc., emphasizes an aggressive nationalism and often racism. + +AKA taking away an individual’s right to choose what is injected into their body despite numerous side effects and subjecting them to mass experimentation for “the good of the nation” while really just backing the ever growing pharmaceutical industry and suppressing any information that contradicts their interests. + +So even if you don’t agree don’t force your ideals on others. + +The nazis experimented on people. This led to the Nuremberg Trials and Code, detailing the human right for Informed Consent. +https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199711133372006 +Vaccine mandates violate an individual’s rights for informed consent. + +They are experimenting on people with vaccines (ex: from vaccine insert: “vaccines have not been tested for mutagenic or carcinogenic effects on pregnant women” yet we give vaccines to pregnant women anyway. Also, activating maternal immune system has risks to fetus. Yet they persist in their unjustified claims that it provides some benefit.",2019-12-14 16:32:30 +Comment,3,fap5wyz,,0,1576309468.0,"It IS illegal not to wash your hands if you work in food service or other areas where people would be unwittingly exposed to your dirty ass hands. + +Vaccines are for hygiene. Like washing your hands, showering, brushing your teeth. It's meant to keep you healthy, but also to protect the rest of society. + +Like vaccines, indoor plumbing and the regular hygiene that comes with it is one of the many reasons that we don't die of preventable illnesses anymore. + +What you don't get is that vaccinations are meant to protect your health, but also the health of others around you. It is illegal to speed, drive drunk, not wear a seatbelt for the same reason. + +Vaccines have the same safety record as seatbelts. Why shouldn't people be forced to use them just like we're forced to use seatbelts?",2019-12-14 09:44:28 +Comment,5,fap4uuk,,0,1576308709.0,">that's a bit crazy in my opinion. Would your making it illegal to not wash your hands after you go to the toilet? + +It absolutally should be for anyone who interacts with the public (food prep, medical professions... dentists).",2019-12-14 09:31:49 +Comment,2,faolt13,,0,1576296013.0,">You're basically saying i would rather risk a tyrannical government (extremely dangerous) than have the possibility of people going unvaccinated, by allowing anti vaccination information on the internet (mildly dangerous) + +A lot of people are saying this, it is really disturbing that we seem to have forgotten that censorship is destructive to democracy, and think a tyrannical government is OK as long as it agrees with us",2019-12-14 06:00:13 +Comment,4,faolmef,,0,1576295895.0,"I think censorship is generally bad, if a pro-vax sub wants to censor it's not that big a deal, but a whole site censoring any idea is generally not good, and government censorship, especially whey they censor criticism of there own policies (such as vaccination policies), is extremely dangerous",2019-12-14 05:58:15 +Comment,0,faofg73,,0,1576291953.0,"that's a bit crazy in my opinion. Would your making it illegal to not wash your hands after you go to the toilet? What would having unprotected sex, except in certain tightly controlled circumstances when you want to reproduce? That would certainly have a positive impact on STDs. + +You're basically saying i would rather risk a tyrannical government (extremely dangerous) than have the possibility of people going unvaccinated, by allowing anti vaccination information on the internet (mildly dangerous)",2019-12-14 04:52:33 +Comment,6,faof5bx,,0,1576291766.0,"No, I don't give a fuck if you or your kid die from poor health choices. You can go drink bleach for all I care, I'm not going to stop you. + +The problem is that diseases will spread to those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, so you not vaccinating endangers others who did not consent to the risk. + +You can pump your own house full of chlorine gas if you want, just as long as it doesn't leak into the neighbors house. + +I'm absolutely fine with it if you don't want to vaccinate as long as you don't risk other people's health. Don't go out in public or interact with anyone else.",2019-12-14 04:49:26 +Comment,-3,faoeeiu,,0,1576291300.0,well the same goes for talking about vaccines. there's no harm in just listening to it. you can choose to do what you like with your own body.,2019-12-14 04:41:40 +Comment,8,faodw7k,,0,1576290989.0,They aren't dangerous to the spectators. The people playing assume all of the risk by their own choice.,2019-12-14 04:36:29 +Comment,-4,faocxoz,,0,1576290483.0,so should there be a ban on broadcasting extreme sports competitions? they're pretty dangerous you know,2019-12-14 04:28:03 +Comment,9,fao71s4,,0,1576287325.0,"Yes, because it's dangerous. It's it right to censor people advocating blowing themselves up in the name of their God, even if it's bullshit? Yes",2019-12-14 03:35:25 +Comment,1,faifivh,,0,1576135414.0,Ok,2019-12-12 09:23:34 +Comment,1,fagwlzk,,0,1576102195.0,"I'm no one's sweetie, especially a dumb person's one.",2019-12-12 00:09:55 +Comment,0,fagwecm,,0,1576102027.0,And why are you so incapable of having a conversation without becoming insulting? Grow up a little sweetie or f*** off.,2019-12-12 00:07:07 +Comment,0,fagv8jh,,0,1576101089.0,I thought you were going away?,2019-12-11 23:51:29 +Comment,1,fag77wk,,0,1576071186.0,"Oh, where'd you get that statistic? Also, what heavy metals moron? How can i take you seriously if you think aluminium hydroxide is a heavy metal. 😄",2019-12-11 15:33:06 +Comment,1,fafk7ej,,0,1576053626.0,Yes I know,2019-12-11 10:40:26 +Comment,1,fafg9s0,,0,1576050804.0,Bruh dihydrogen monoxide is water,2019-12-11 09:53:24 +Comment,0,fafdcfo,,0,1576048758.0,Seriously? Testing a baby for potential problems is a bad thing? Yet they shoot them with 10x the recommended max for heavy metals on the first day of life? Do they assess any contraindications then? How does this all make me a troll? You haven't answered any of my questions satisfactorily. You've just resorted to childish name calling.,2019-12-11 09:19:18 +Comment,2,fafcax9,,0,1576048060.0,"https://imgur.com/4aZ1hA2 + +>if there are known familial immune issues, why do they not propose a baby be tested for suceptibilities prior to being vaccinated? + +Oh yes, by all means, test a poor baby with an allergy panel for everything. Even strawberries, ok? Too bad there isn't a stupidity test too. You would've gotten an anaphylactic shock! + +>Surely you would agree there's a subset of the population that shouldn't receive them? + +Surely. There's this thing, in the insert, called: contraindications. A thing that your doctor (or any normal, educated doctor), knows about. Now shoo, leave me alone troll.",2019-12-11 09:07:40 +Comment,1,fafbn0x,,0,1576047622.0,"Oh my you are a witty one arent you? I would propose there is a lot they dont know about the immune system, as exemplified by previously ""effective"" vaccines that appear to unexpectedly fail over many years, or immediately. Also, if there are known familial immune issues, why do they not propose a baby be tested for suceptibilities prior to being vaccinated? Would that not make sense? Surely you would agree there's a subset of the population that shouldn't receive them?",2019-12-11 09:00:22 +Comment,1,faf9gkm,,0,1576046227.0,Awww sweetheart! Dont go! Ok go.,2019-12-11 08:37:07 +Comment,2,faf2vsp,,0,1576042186.0,"> ""should"" have immunity for measles and hep b but don't as verified by titer checks required for work. I must be bucking some serious odds in that case. + +yeah, indeed. because the immune system doesn't work like an exact machine. exactly like your brain. sometimes... IT FAILS on working properly.",2019-12-11 07:29:46 +Comment,2,faf2qfq,,0,1576042097.0,All I hear is the same shit copy antivaxx pasta. buh bye,2019-12-11 07:28:17 +Comment,1,faeztrs,,0,1576040361.0,"Herd immunity historically refers to the immunity acquired from getting the illness naturally and outbreaks happen a lot in populations with close to 100% vaccination rate. Why ignore this? And it was the shot I had twice actually, my bad grammar. Nice that you have resorted to name calling when you cant convince someone with your argument. I am not ""pro diseaser"" but if you're asking me to trust huge conglomerates that have repeatedly been convicted of lying about their products, have whistleblowers coming forward admitting fraud and you have governing bodies who do not remain at arms length from the industry and have multiple conflicts of interest well...no. Blatant lies? That's rich.",2019-12-11 06:59:21 +Comment,1,faey48f,,0,1576039367.0,"That's not what is portrayed in the media though is it? And surely they have done studies to verify a third dose is safe? Sorry but I know personally many people who ""should"" have immunity for measles and hep b but don't as verified by titer checks required for work. I must be bucking some serious odds in that case.",2019-12-11 06:42:47 +Comment,2,fae84o8,,0,1576024544.0,"No, it is their fault. Because they managed through fear mongering and blatant lies to lower the protection threshold of the herd immunity. If not enough people are vaccinated, the vulnerable ones are at risk! A lower number than 93-95% of the population who got the vaccines, will lead to epidemics or pandemics. + +Oooppss, never mind. I just saw you're a brainkess pro diseaser. Of course you wouldn't understand shit. Go away to your group of 💩 please, mr ""I had measles twice"". Lol",2019-12-11 02:35:44 +Comment,2,fae7vmh,,0,1576024392.0,"It's not happening to everyone. Two doses given in childhood should be enough. But people aren't robots and it's best to prevent! + +It's the same with varicella for example. Theoretically, the disease will give you antibodies for life, yet some people get the infection twice or three times. Medicine is not exact maths.",2019-12-11 02:33:12 +Comment,0,fadwldy,,0,1576017028.0,And then why are you blaming antivaxxers when measles appear again? It is never the fault of a waning vaccine and always because of antivaxxers.,2019-12-11 00:30:28 +Comment,1,fadvl2c,,0,1576016281.0,"That's actually not what they told us. They said the shot would give immunity for life. Again, it appears they weren't aware it would wane",2019-12-11 00:18:01 +Comment,2,fad7smo,,0,1575987407.0,Because immunity the wanes after years of antibodies not being put to use.,2019-12-10 16:16:47 +Comment,1,facrokx,,0,1575974247.0,Hahahahahahaha...not,2019-12-10 12:37:27 +Comment,1,fac4xmg,,0,1575962406.0,Wait there's a debate about vaccines?,2019-12-10 09:20:06 +Comment,1,fac200e,,0,1575961099.0,"If they are proven over and over to be effective, why are they telling adults to get a THIRD shot of MMR?",2019-12-10 08:58:19 +Comment,0,faaa2f4,,0,1575934652.0,"This should be interesting, hope it can be opened minded and rational, without the name calling on both sides and maybe find a middle ground",2019-12-10 01:37:32 +Comment,1,faa614f,,0,1575931907.0,"""Facebook"" + +Ok Boomer",2019-12-10 00:51:47 +Comment,3,fa9uhos,,0,1575921173.0,Why? What's next? A debate over you getting help if you break your legs?,2019-12-09 21:52:53 +Comment,1,f9rn5m5,,0,1575607410.0,"Congress passed a bill 1986 taking away all +Liability from the manufacturer of all +vacccine in cases where vaccines has cause harm to child . There has been over 2 billion in settlements due to vaccines causing illnesses and even deaths, research yourself people , talk to +Many open minded non +Controlled Dr’s that tell +The truth",2019-12-06 06:43:30 +Comment,2,f9qvy1u,,0,1575596523.0,"So it's like the difference between drinking H2O and H2O2. One's fine, one will kill you.",2019-12-06 03:42:03 +Comment,1,f93l5k0,,0,1575090625.0,"""Dear recipient of this letter""",2019-11-30 07:10:25 +Comment,1,f8w7kvv,,0,1574913681.0,Did the person writing this have a stroke? I mean ffs,2019-11-28 06:01:21 +Comment,2,f8v8mk1,,0,1574891782.0,"I've asked 2 pediatricians and the nurse practitioner, all have told me not to worry about it basically. And searching online it seems like the only rare cases I'm finding of vaccine shedding were done through feces. Which I'm the only one who handles diaper duty, not like I take them to visit great great granny at the nursing home and expect her to do it.",2019-11-27 23:56:22 +Comment,3,f8v53bj,,0,1574888567.0,What in the hell....,2019-11-27 23:02:47 +Comment,1,f8urqra,,0,1574869786.0,Yeah. Some cases happened in Europe too. A high number of vaccinated children would lower even more that number.,2019-11-27 17:49:46 +Comment,1,f8ubpff,,0,1574853478.0,"There were a few years back in the 1980s where the *only* cases of polio in the United States were from adults that came into contact with feces from recently-vaccinated children. Single-digit numbers of cases. + +The only reservoir species for polio is humans. It is one disease that could be purged entirely, like smallpox, given sustained effort.",2019-11-27 13:17:58 +Comment,0,f8u9v26,,0,1574852009.0,"All live viruses can be ‘shed’. + +https://www.nvic.org/vaccine-strain-virus-shedding-and-transmission.aspx +“Could my unvaccinated or immune compromised child get sick from coming in contact with a recently vaccinated person? +When it comes to live virus vaccines, the short answer is: Yes. +During a viral infection, live virus is shed in the body fluids of those who are infected for varying amounts of time and can be transmitted to others. 3 4 5 Vaccine strain live virus is also shed for varying amounts of time in the body fluids of vaccinated people and can be transmitted to others. 6 7 8 +Although public health officials maintain that live attenuated virus vaccines rarely cause complications in the vaccinated person and that vaccine strain viral shedding rarely causes disease in close contacts of the recently vaccinated, it is important to be aware that vaccine strain live virus infection can sometimes cause serious complications in vaccinated persons and vaccine strain live viruses can be shed and transmitted to others with serious or even fatal consequences.” + +Vaccinated Man sheds polio for 30 yrs +https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34082627",2019-11-27 12:53:29 +Comment,1,f8trl9l,,0,1574838533.0,it is,2019-11-27 09:08:53 +Comment,2,f8trjt9,,0,1574838508.0,"This is a question for your doctor, and it may depend on the vaccine, smallpox vaccine is the worst for shedding",2019-11-27 09:08:28 +Comment,1,f8tg4au,,0,1574831466.0,I didn't even realize that one is live?,2019-11-27 07:11:06 +Comment,-2,f8te0e6,,0,1574830210.0,Chicken pox vaccine hella does.,2019-11-27 06:50:10 +Comment,5,f8t9uil,,0,1574827716.0,"Some. The oral polio and rotavirus vaccine can shed through fecal matter. But only to about a few days, a week.",2019-11-27 06:08:36 +Comment,1,f8qma6v,,0,1574748781.0,"Ok that makes sense! I never had chicken pox, I’m pretty sure I got vaccinated for it, so I have like a passing knowledge of how it works. Thanks for clearing it up! :)",2019-11-26 08:13:01 +Comment,1,f8qm1q7,,0,1574748679.0,"EDIT: I certainly don't mean avoid your friend in general, just while they are sick + +ignore the people why say ""antivaxers are evil don't be friends with them at all""",2019-11-26 08:11:19 +Comment,1,f8qlvl0,,0,1574748605.0,">just because someone is not showing symptoms does not mean they aren’t carrying the disease. + +According to the CDC once someone recovers from chickenpox they aren't contagious, but they may be contagious before they know they have it + +>I think maybe having chicken pox as a kid makes you more likely to get it but I don’t think you have to have had chicken pox to get it. + +Shingles is an infection with the same virus as chickenpox, and can only happen if you have been exposed to the virus at some point in the past, and are not immune, it is usually a reactivation of the virus decades after chickenpox (no you are not contagious for all those decades) but shingles has been know to occur directly following exposure to the virus, and as a result of the vaccine virus as well",2019-11-26 08:10:05 +Comment,5,f8q75on,,0,1574741972.0,">Why is this mom excited about the chicken pox? + +Probably because chickenpox is more serious for adults than children, and is a virus that can build up long term immunity, so she is hoping that by getting chickenpox now will prevent a more serious case of chickenpox when the kids are older + +>Is it not dangerous? + +Serious complications are not common, 1 in 300-500 chickenpox cases requires hospitalization and 1 in 60,000 results in death [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications) + +>My kids are both fully vaccinated (4 and 2 years old), are they protected? + +No guarantee, the vaccine is not 100% effective, and the second dose isn't given until age 4-6, so it is still best to keep your kids away from sick people until they are no longer sick. According to the CDC a person with chickenpox is no longer contagious 24 hours after that last new spot appears, which shouldn't be more than a week or so after the start of symptoms + +>Arent your risk of getting shingles greatly increased if you have had the chicken pox? + +Yes, it is pretty much impossible to get shingles if you haven't had chickenpox or a chickenpox vaccine + +>I am pregnant but had them as a kid, am i protected? + +This is probably a question for your doctor, but there is no guarantee, and live vaccines such as chickenpox aren't recommended for pregnant women, so avoid exposure to infected people especially while pregnant, as harm to the fetus is possible [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications) + +>If anti vaxxers get excited that your body builds natural immunity after having the disease, isnt that what vaccines do for your body except your never ""sick""? + +Yes, (well you can still get a little sick) but antivaxers are concerned about combinations of viruses in one vaccine, multiple vaccines at the same them, and chemical additives (although most of the chemical additives of concern are only used for vaccines against things that you can't build up immunity to from catching them)",2019-11-26 06:19:32 +Comment,2,f8q5w5h,,0,1574741410.0,"So I’ll answer this as best I can, I am neither a doctor or an anti-vaxxer so anyone feel free to correct me/add on if I’m wrong: + +The mom is excited about her kids getting chicken pox because basically once you’ve had chicken pox you’re unlikely (or immune, not 100% sure which) to get it again. Before the chicken pox vaccine it was common to try to get your kids exposed to chicken pox young because I believe the older you are the worse it is. So basically she’s trying to prevent her kids from getting it worse by exposing them young. Which would make sense except we have a vaccine so they never have to get it at all. + +The point of vaccines isn’t just to protect you. It protects immunocompromised people who will her can’t get the vaccine, or can but are otherwise at risk of getting sick anyways. Two of my siblings are on immunosuppressants for other conditions they have. Despite being fully vaccinated, they get sick super easy and when they get sick it’s way worse because their immune systems are shot. So, like I said before, before the vaccine it made sense to expose your kids young to head off a worse infection later. Now, however, there’s no need to encourage the spread of a disease that could be dangerous for certain people groups (immunocompromised, elderly, young children, pregnant women, etc.). + +The whole “natural immunity” thing that anti-vaxxers like to tout is not really what they make it sound like. They like to say your body is naturally able to fight off infection/keep you from getting sick. Which is true, to an extent, but when your kid gets chicken pox they don’t have a “natural immunity” to chicken pox. They still got chicken pox. It’s not like your body miraculously protects you from ever getting sick. + +If you are concerned about your own health, I’d talk to your doctor. Since you are pregnant you can get sick easier. My personal, NOT MEDICAL, recommendation would be to stay away from your friend/her kids/her husband/etc until the chicken pox completely clears their house. Again, ask your doctor what they recommend, but I think steering clear is the safest bet here since you DON’T want chicken pox and pregnancy at the same time. That sounds terrible! Also remember that just because someone is not showing symptoms does not mean they aren’t carrying the disease. I’m not 100% sure how chicken pox spreads, so again please please talk to your doctor, but if your friend isn’t sick she may still be able to spread the disease to you. + +As far as shingles goes, I think maybe having chicken pox as a kid makes you more likely to get it but I don’t think you have to have had chicken pox to get it. Again, not 100% sure here so hopefully someone smarter is able to fill this in! + +Hope this helps!",2019-11-26 06:10:10 +Comment,1,f8m1shb,,0,1574656145.0,thanks for anyone that is willing to help! You don’t need to enter any personal details also!,2019-11-25 06:29:05 +Comment,1,f80gmix,,0,1574157372.0,"Wow. You really can’t help but try to be offensive. It’s really quite juvenile behavior. Do you think you can debate like an adult without needless insults? Or giving up and calling for censorship? + +Of course low efficacy doesn’t make them more harmful. But it does change the risk benefit analysis. + +Of course not all ILI are flu. Only about 3% - 9% of suspected flu cases are actually flu. The flu vaccine is less effective because as you admit “strains cannot be matched every single year. Of course that a virus with increased mutagenic shifts will not be matched for the vaccine every year.” So all the ILI are used to promote flu vaccines but vaccines may reduce 10-30% of 3-9% of “flu” cases. And these number are before factoring in primary and secondary vaccine failure and declining efficacy through repeat vaccination... that’s a low benefit. + +Plus you are now exposed to the risks of vaccines. Autoimmune diseases, GBS, etc + +- Is shown that repeated use of Al adjuvants and OVA (chicken egg whites) cause chronic inflammation in the immune system / allergic reactions +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590830/#!po=0.543478 + +“Guillain-Barré syndromeremains the most frequent neurological condition reported after influenza vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) since its inception in 1990. ... Results From July 1990 through June 2003, VAERS received 501 reports of GBS following influenza vaccination in adults.Nov 24, 2004”https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/199859 + +Pregnant women shouldn’t be vaccinated. There being no studies on vaccine safety doesn’t make them any safer. But it does allow officials the ability to claim there is no proof vaccines are harmful... convenient. + +From vaccine insert: “vaccines have not been tested for mutagenic or carcinogenic effects on pregnant women” yet we give vaccines to pregnant women anyway. Also, activating maternal immune system has risks to fetus. Yet they persist in their unjustified claims that it provides some benefit. + +Maternal immune activation http://science.sciencemag.org/content/353/6301/772 & https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24011823/ +Immune activation and autism +http://science.sciencemag.org/content/353/6301/772 + +Thimerasol which is mainly mercury can cross the placenta +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22717874/ + +There is a very limited pharmacokinetic data concerning ethylmercury. There is very limited data on its blood levels. There is no data on its excretion. It is recognized to both cross placenta and the blood-brain barrier. The data on its toxicity, ethylmercury, is sparse. It is primarily recognized as a cause of hypersensitivity. Acutely it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death, from overdose.” +- simpsonwood conference +http://thinktwice.com/simpsonwood.pdf + +Flu vaccine and miscarriages  & misinformation  +https://www.patreon.com/posts/20558343 +And +https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/opinion/sunday/anti-vaccine-activists-have-taken-vaccine-science-hostage.html +And +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28917295/ + +It’s interesting you mention “Spanish Flu” because some actually believe it was the vaccines of the time, exacerbated with aspirin, that caused the deaths. It’s an interesting theory that could explain a lot of the anomalies observed. +http://whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html + +Um, no. What they said was there was a correlation found they just don’t know why the efficacy is lower after repeated vaccination and more study was needed. + +I have smart amazing unvaccinated children. Thank you for asking. + +Vaccine side effects are not rare. They are suppressed. There is a difference. + +Vaccines are labeled “unavoidably unsafe” by the US Supreme Court and were protected from judicial oversight through legal channels (National Child Vaccine Injury Act in 1986), this took away legal channels for discovery and safety review. This happened because so many people said vaccines were injuring their loved ones. + +The population at large is told adverse reactions are rare and not to worry about them. So Drs and patients alike do not know the risks and do not see a connection between their health issues and the vaccines they’ve received. (The majority of vaccine recipients are too young to tell us if they are experiencing side effects). If no one is looking at or tracking the risks then how can you say they’ve got a safe track record. We are not healthier overall and without a definitive cause for the health concerns it is irresponsible to say definitively that vaccines are not the cause. + +Vaccine adverse events 1) compensated in vaccine court: Guillain-Barré syndrome, transverse myelitis, encephalopathy, seizure disorder, death, brachial neuritis, acute disseminated encephalomylites, Chronic inflammatory demyelination, polyradiculoneuropathy (CIPD), premature ovarian failure, Bell’s palsy, juvenile diabetes, idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, infantile spasms, anaphylaxis, ocular myasthenia gravis, hypoxic seizure. + +2) listed on vaccine inserts: Autoimmune diseases, allergies, asthma, eczema, tics, Tourette’s syndrome, ADD / ADHD, autism, speech delay, neurodevelopment disorder, SIDS, narcolepsy. + +When an automated reporting system analyzed data reported over a 3 yr period it found that adverse reactions could be 26:1,000 or approximately 1 in 38. +https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf + +http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/ “A recent study done in Ontario, Canada, established that vaccination actually leads to an emergency room visit for 1 in 168 children following their 12-month vaccination appointment and for 1 in 730 children following their 18-month vaccination appointment (see appendix for a scientific study, Item #5).” + +1 in 640 have a seizure from mmr https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/ + +https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/mmrv/mmrv-febrile-seizures.html +“The rate of seizures in this timeframe was 85 per 1000 person-years in the MMRV vaccine group compared to 42 per 1000 in the MMR and varicella vaccine group. This risk was about 2 times higher in children who received the combination shot (MMRV) versus the single shots (MMR and varicella).” + +“Approximately 40 cases of death and permanent injury from the MMR vaccine are reported to VAERS annually” and only about 1-10% of adverse events are reported. So that could mean approximately 400-4000 deaths or permanent injuries from the mmr vaccine annually. + +“As of March 31, 2018, there have been more than 89,355 reports of measles vaccine reactions, hospitalizations, injuries and deaths following measles vaccinations made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), including 445 related deaths, 6,196 hospitalizations, and 1,657 related disabilities. Over 60% of those adverse events occurred in children three years old and under.” https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/ + +After automating adverse event reports at Harvard Pilgrim, the developers of this system asked the CDC to take the final step of linking VAERS with the Harvard Pilgrim system so that these reports could be automatically transmitted into VAERS. Instead, the CDC refused to cooperate. As the Harvard grant recipients explained: Unfortunately, there was never an opportunity to perform system performance assessments because the necessary CDC contacts were no longer available and the CDC consultants responsible for receiving data were no longer responsive to our multiple requests to proceed with testing and evaluation. After three years and spending $1 million of taxpayers’ money, the CDC refused to even communicate with the HHS’ Harvard Medical School grant recipients. While HHS generally strongly supports automating public health surveillance systems, when it comes to vaccine safety, the CDC has only supported projects that would limit VAERS to passive surveillance. Automation would improve safety and address many of the long-standing issues and limitations raised by CDC regarding VAERS.37 Capturing “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” thirty years after the passage of the 1986 Act is unacceptable – and potentially deadly. https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/whitepapers/VaccineSafety-Version-1.0-October-2-2017.pdf",2019-11-19 11:56:12 +Comment,2,f7yrmj7,,0,1574128490.0,"Yes, because that's how you do science. smh",2019-11-19 03:54:50 +Comment,1,f7y61y8,,0,1574116261.0,"Lol the flu vaccine doesn't work, ask half the people who take it.",2019-11-19 00:31:01 +Comment,1,f7q302w,,0,1573986872.0,"Autism: +A behavioral diagnosis for static encephalopathy derived from encephalitis, an autoimmune inflammatory response to a trigger that leads to sequelae that affects the overall health of the individual. Vaccines injected are the most invasive triggers. + +The govt may not agree vaccines cause “autism” but it does cause encephalopathy... which causes pervasive developmental delays also known as autism spectrum disorder.... or so says the “vaccine court”. +http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BANKS_CASE.pdf + +Increase not due to better counting / diagnosis +https://health.ucdavis.edu/welcome/features/20090218_autism_environment/ + +https://health.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/10214 +Rising cost of autism + +“Epidemic” of autism +https://safeminds.org/wp-content/uploads/curent-dds-autism-cases.png + +https://stemcellsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/sctm.16-0474 +- study showed ASD symptoms improved after own stem cells injected +- Indicates ASD acquired after birth and storage of cord blood + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5377970/ +Genetic and environmental factors +“Due to the progress of autism in recent decades, a wide range of studies have been done to identify the etiological factors of autism. It has been found that genetic and environmental factors are both involved in autism pathogenesis",2019-11-17 12:34:32 +Comment,3,f7pv4l6,,0,1573983704.0,"Lol, a dumbass who can't even read tells me about the scientific method? Look here, you negative IQ thing, I didn't study medicine on YT. Nor did I ever open a study and said: A HA! There it is, proof to fit my bullshit views. + +Let's take just 2 examples out of your copy pasta from your pro disease friends. + +>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22895945/ + +The metaanalysis puts all flu and ILI in one pot, so it's irrelevant. Not all ILI are flu and not all flu are deadly. It doesn't mean + +1: **AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS: Influenza vaccines are efficacious in preventing cases of influenza in children older than two years of age, but little evidence is available for children younger than two years of age.** + + +No studies on this, doesn't make it less efficient. + +2: **There was a difference between vaccine efficacy and effectiveness, partly due to differing datasets, settings and viral circulation patterns.** + +Oh no, who would've thought, you moron, that strains cannot be matched every single year. Of course that a virus with increased mutagenic shifts will not be matched for the vaccine every year. Nobody claimed anything different. That doesn't make the vaccine itself harmful. What the fuck are you on about? Are you doing meth? + +As a former epidemiologist, I'm ashamed to read Jefferson T's ""review"" about the influenza vaccine. He uses SO FUCKING MANY fallacies. He doesn't take into account even the morbidity or mortality of the flu and claims that not even pregnant women should be vaccinated, because the less you do medical acts on them, the better. That's outrageous and bizarre as fuck. Do we live in 2019 or 1900? + +Do you even fucking know how flu pandemics wiped millions of people in 1919? Just look up Spanish flu. + +I'm sure those people would rather get a low antibody count from a vaccine, than fucking none. 40% less deaths is better than what happened then. + +https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/one-flu-into-the-cuckoos-nest/ + +Read some more about how much of an imbecile JT is. You should feel as stupid as this guy is. + + +>https://marshfieldresearch.org/News/clinic-researchers-study-finds-prior-flu-season-vaccines-may-provide-residual-protection + +You said that the flu shot is less and less efficient if you get it every year. + +Again, your reading comprehension is out of this world. And that's not good. Cause you don't seem to be having a human brain. + +They said: + +""Researchers found adults had similar levels of protection if they received the flu vaccine in the current season, the previous season or both seasons. They also found that vaccine effectiveness was 27-41 percent higher for adults who were vaccinated for the first time in the past five years, compared to those who got the vaccine almost every year. She said reasons for the increase in effectiveness is not yet clear and more research is needed to understand how repeated flu vaccination affects the immune system."" + +You know what that means, mister scientific method? That means THAT NO CORRELATION WAS FOUND. + +SO WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING HARD PROOF, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE? + + +I really hope you don't reproduce and just so you know, logical fallacies don't confirm your bullshit. Yes, science evolves. But vaccines are proof that science also works and it's better to prevent, unlike your claims that drs don't want that, than to treat. Or bury your patients. + +>AKA taking away an individual’s right to choose what is injected into their body despite numerous side effects + +Side effects from inactivated vaccines are mild and rarely occurring. I guess you'd like to see people suffering from a disease instead of admitting that your lack of chemistry and physiology knowledge is null. Like your smooth brain. + + +Fucking imbecile, next time you wanna copy paste shit to bother people with it, go into an infectious diseases ward and visit some intubated patients who are likely to die because of the flu. + + +/u/atheistbastard, get this troll outta here please.",2019-11-17 11:41:44 +Comment,0,f7po5zu,,0,1573980904.0,"Haha. You need to look up the scientific method. And maybe read a book on history or science. Or actually read any of the links I provided. “Science” is never “settled” it constantly evolves. + +I’m not manipulating anything. I’m presenting evidence. It may not support your belief system but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value, despite your narcissistic beliefs. + +Vaccine fundamentalists cling to antiquated treatments not backed by true scientific process. No discussion allowed, dissidents will be shamed, and policy will be mandated. Thus preventing scientific progress and propagating pseudoscience. + +Science vs pseudoscience +https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg + +Scientific progress always takes a long time. Even the now simple concept of hand washing took more than 20 years to catch on and Dr. Semmelweis was mocked and shamed for the notion that Drs may be spreading disease, suffered a nervous breakdown and died due to mistreatment in an asylum. This is how we reward people who question the status quo and seek progress, especially when it may bring to light that Drs may be unwittingly harming patients by following that status quo. + +Pro vaccine choice individuals are the ones calling for more study and scientific progress. It is usually the ones that call for more vaccination that have the hubris to believe the science is settled and we know everything there is to know about the human body and the immune system. + +It is the ones against vaccine choice that have the arrogance to demand everyone follow what they believe regardless of the individuals hurt along the way. The belief that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and that the nation state should be allowed to tell an individual what to inject into their body are fascist ideals. + +Fascism - anti-intellectual, anti-democratic, individual interests are subordinated to the good of the nation, forcibly suppresses opposition and criticism, regiments industry, commerce, etc., emphasizes an aggressive nationalism and often racism. + +AKA taking away an individual’s right to choose what is injected into their body despite numerous side effects and subjecting them to mass experimentation for “the good of the nation” while really just backing the ever growing pharmaceutical industry and suppressing any information that contradicts their interests. + +So even if you don’t agree don’t force your ideals on others.",2019-11-17 10:55:04 +Comment,3,f7orud7,,0,1573961617.0,"Science doesn't care what you believe. Science is hard and palpable through hard evidence. Which you are manipulating hard. Like larry crook. + +If science were only to care about treating symptoms, then epidemiology and vaccines wouldn't exist. Because prevention would be irrelevant. But guess what. They exist. Gtfo",2019-11-17 05:33:37 +Comment,3,f7orklo,,0,1573961445.0,"Ms copy paste. It's one thing to quote smth, and it's another to misinterpret and cherry pick it. 😂 + +/u/jf_queeny you have an infested pro diseaser here.",2019-11-17 05:30:45 +Comment,-1,f7oebe4,,0,1573954818.0,"I believe science is ever changing, ever evolving and the current medical teaching is only lacking, focused on treating symptoms rather than increasing heath and preventing disease. + +I’d say the Drs in this story could be considered “pro-disease”, no? +https://youtu.be/pHhLYqF85EA + +“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” – Arthur Schopenhauer + +https://www.medicaldaily.com/mad-scientist-6-scientists-who-were-dismissed-crazy-only-be-proven-right-years-later-362010 + +https://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/medical-breakthroughs#page=3 + +Tobacco industry lies +https://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/TobaccoExplained.pdf + +CDC in 1958 says cigarettes don’t cause cancer. It is now universally recognized and accepted that cigarettes DO cause cancer.",2019-11-17 03:40:18 +Comment,-1,f7obsbr,,0,1573953558.0,"Lol. These are quotes from the studies. And the studies are trying to figure out why the flu vaccine causes this decrease in efficacy. Feel free to read them and let me know your interpretation. + +As far as group immunity... +Note the “no decline in transmission” below + +According to a Cochrane review the flu vaccine IF it has the correct strains circulating reduces the likelihood of catching the flu from 4% if unvaccinated to 1% if vaccinated. A 3% risk difference. So not much of a benefit there. Also the study concluded that there is no evidence that the flu vaccine affect complications, such as pneumonia, or transmission. The CDC combines pneumonia rates with flu rates to estimate the number of deaths from the flu, creating extremely exaggerated numbers to push the flu vaccine when the flu vaccine doesn’t reduce rates of pneumonia. And the insert actually lists pneumonia as a possible side effect.  + +Cochrane review +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22895945/ + +And... + +The Myth of Herd Immunity +The Myth of Herd Immunity leads us to believe that unvaccinated populations will bring back epidemics of deadly diseases. This myth also makes us believe that: +1. Unvaccinated children are a threat to society and +2. Unvaccinated children pose a risk to vaccinated children. +I’ll tackle this whole discombobulated mess of a myth in one post, through the research, knowledge, science, & expertise of a doctor, a pediatrician, & a neurosurgeon. +What are we told? +* We often hear statements from public health officials like “Clusters of unvaccinated children are not only in potential danger themselves, but are also a threat to the herd immunity”. +* Authorities argue that parents should vaccinate their children to protect society as a whole from epidemics. +* According to public health officials, “parents who reject vaccines don’t consider the effect of their child on the rest of society”. +* We are told that for the shots to work, everyone must play along. And parents who decline the vaccines, are somehow reaping the benefits from those who are vaccinated. +What is truth?  +Dr. O’Shea, in his book: “Vaccination is Not Immunization” explains:  “Do not make the error of many pediatricians or journalists who talk about herd immunity as though it refers to the immunity that proceeds from a large group of people being vaccinated. The calculated deception behind this common misnomer is that if you don’t know what herd immunity is, you’ll buy their illusion: that the unvaccinated child can take advantage of the herd who have been vaccinated. This is well though-out propaganda. True herd immunity is a term which indicates that a disease has burned itself out within a population, as with plague, smallpox, typhus-every infectious disease in history. The herd has become immune. Natural selection. It has to do with nature, not with manmade vaccines. Don’t be fooled again” +Dr. Palevsky (board-certified pediatrician) explains: “This whole concept of herd immunity is very interesting, because we were taught that herd immunity occurs because a certain percentage of a population gets an active illness. Therefore by a certain percentage of getting the active illness, they impart a protection onto the remaining part of the population that has not gotten the illness yet. And so the herd that is getting the illness is shedding the illness and protecting those who have not gotten it."" +In vaccine science, we are extrapolating or concluding that if we vaccinate a certain percentage of people, we are imparting protection on those who have not been vaccinated. And that has NOT been shown to be true, because the true herd immunity in theory is based on an ACTIVE DISEASE, and we know that despite what we’re taught, vaccination does not mimic the natural disease. +Thus, we cannot use the same model of herd immunity in a natural disease in the vaccination policy. This does not stop the press, every single year. +The entire concept of herd immunity fails to acknowledge that there is a life cycle of the viruses and the bacteria all on their own, and that what turns them on and off may have nothing to do with the percentage of people who have been infected. +By failing to include that viruses have a life cycle, and that they are in relationship to other organisms and to us, we are missing the main point. It is preposterous to think that a child who is vaccinated no longer carries the bacteria or the viruses that they have been vaccinated against. That is the whole point of vaccines. +So Once You Are Vaccinated, You Are Part of the Herd. Right? +Dr. Blaylock (board certified neurosurgeon) explains:  +“In the original description of herd immunity, the protection to the population at large occurred only if people contracted the infections naturally. The reason is that naturally acquired immunity lasts for a lifetime. Vaccine proponents quickly latched onto this concept and applied it to vaccine-induced immunity. But there was one major problem: Vaccine-induced immunity lasts for only a relatively short period… +This is why they quietly began to suggest  boosters for most vaccines, even the common childhood infections such as chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella. +Then they discovered an even greater problem: The boosters were lasting for only two years or less. This is why we are now seeing mandates that youth entering colleges have multiple vaccines, even those that they insisted gave lifelong immunity, such as the MMR. The same is being suggested for full-grown adults. Ironically, no one in the media or medical field is asking what is going on. They just accept that it must be done. +That vaccine-induced herd immunity is mostly myth can be proven quite simply. We all were told for over 70 years that vaccine immunity lasts a lifetime. It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given. +What this means is that at least half the population, that is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life. At least 50 percent of the population has been unprotected for decades. +If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95 percent. Yet we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50 percent or less of the population having vaccine protection. +Herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades, and no resurgent epidemics have occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations”. +Where is the Logic? +Take Pertussis (whooping cough) Dr. Palevsky explains this very well: +Do children vaccinated with the pertussis vaccine somehow stop carrying pertussis bacteria in their airways simply because they’ve been vaccinated? NO +Do pertussis vaccines stop vaccinated children from transmitting the pertussis bacteria to other people? NO +Do pertussis bacteria disappear from society once vaccination rates are high? NO: Vaccination rates for pertussis have no impact on whether the pertussis bacteria are in the air or not, or whether or not we breathe them in. The presence of the pertussis bacteria, and the exposure to them, are in no way affected by vaccination status or vaccination rates. +Do unvaccinated children, because they are unvaccinated, carry the bacteria in their airways, which vaccinated children are somehow no longer believed to be carrying because they’ve been vaccinated? NO +Do unvaccinated children transmit the pertussis bacteria to other children by the mere fact that they are not vaccinated? NO: Air is air. Air is free to breathe. We breathe in whatever is in the air. And, vaccinated and unvaccinated children are equally exposed to breathing in pertussis bacteria. +Anyone who poses as science the idea that unvaccinated children pose a threat to the population because they are unvaccinated and are more likely to transmit a disease to the rest of the population, is misleading you, promulgating myth, and inaccurate. Vaccination with the pertussis vaccine does not exonerate anyone from carrying the pertussis bacteria, or prevent them from being exposed to the bacteria. +Unvaccinated children do not walk around carrying secret viruses and bacteria that no-one else has. An unvaccinated child with measles has no greater chance of spreading measles than a vaccinated child with measles would.",2019-11-17 03:19:18 +Comment,1,f7ob7sd,,0,1573953261.0,"Geezus, you're a prodiseaser, aren't you?",2019-11-17 03:14:21 +Comment,2,f7oaukq,,0,1573953059.0,"Wow, you reading comprehension is scary. I've only read half of your ""conclusions"" that yoj got from the paragraphs and it's scary that someone doesn't understand shit from them. + +Also, group immunity is what makes the flu shot efficient, along with the strain match. Stop spreading misleading shit that you can't even read right. + +Who the fuck reads an article like the last one and says that glu vaccine sheds. No inactivated vaccine can shed. What virology classes did you take? With a goat? Geezus fucking christ",2019-11-17 03:10:59 +Comment,1,f7oapiz,,0,1573952983.0,"If parents are concerned about the effects of the MMR vaccine, I would suggest having their children get the vaccines separately. + +It's also not just people having their children skip the MMR vaccine, but all vaccines in general. Autism has been found to be genetic, and if you read the book Neurotribes, you will learn that autism diagnosis rates went up in the 1990s due to an expansion of the diagnosis criteria to include Asperger's syndrome. Children with Asperger's syndrome do not regress as toddlers like some kids with more severe autism do.",2019-11-17 03:09:43 +Comment,-1,f7oa9s9,,0,1573952757.0,"Flu vaccine less effective the more you take it. +https://marshfieldresearch.org/News/clinic-researchers-study-finds-prior-flu-season-vaccines-may-provide-residual-protection +“Researchers found adults had similar levels of protection if they received the flu vaccine in the current season, the previous season or both seasons. They also found that vaccine effectiveness was 27-41 percent higher for adults who were vaccinated for the first time in the past five years, compared to those who got the vaccine almost every year. She said reasons for the increase in effectiveness is not yet clear and more research is needed to understand how repeated flu vaccination affects the immune system.” + +Flu vaccine less effective if taken every year. +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC24180/#!po=0.641026 +And +http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/11/study-adds-more-data-effects-consecutive-year-flu-shots +And +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4387051/#__ffn_sectitle +“On Feb. 5, 2015, other Canadian researchers published interim estimates of 2014/15 influenza vaccine effectiveness in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza-related hospitalization. The figure for people aged 65 and over was −32.9%, according to findings from the Serious Outcomes Surveillance Network of the Canadian Immunization Research Network.” + +Not effective for very young and old, who would actually need protection +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18838647/ +“In 2 seasons with suboptimal antigenic match between vaccines and circulating strains, we could not demonstrate VE in preventing influenza-related inpatient/ED or outpatient visits in children younger than 5 years.” + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16437500/ +“Influenza vaccines are efficacious in children older than two years but little evidence is available for children under two. There was a marked difference between vaccine efficacy and effectiveness. That no safety comparisons could be carried out emphasizes the need for standardisation of methods and presentation of vaccine safety data in future studies.” + +Flumist vaccine sheds: +“we observed 6.3 (95% CI ‪1.9–21.5‬) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons. “ http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/01/17/1716561115 + +https://youtu.be/LAAWZMiMSuc +- WHO dr talks abt influenza and vaccines, admits low efficacy - ave abt 30% + +https://youtu.be/nWzmqe5bwf8 +- nurse on flu shots",2019-11-17 03:05:57 +Comment,0,f7oa1tj,,0,1573952631.0,"If you are referring to the Wakefield study you are incorrect. + +There were 12 authors on the paper. Only 2 drs on the paper lost their licenses and one was given their license back after appealing. When reviewed, the accusations were unfounded. Wakefield was in the US and didn’t file an appeal. The paper is not fraudulent and it doesn’t even say the mmr vaccine causes autism. The paper stated that the parents reported that the kids regressed into autism after the MMR and they concluded that there was a connection between autism and gut health and suggested more studying was necessary. + +More studies have corroborated their finding: +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3981895/ +And +https://media.jamanetwork.com/news-item/gastrointestinal-symptoms-reported-by-moms-more-common-in-kids-with-autism/ +And +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159118300783 + +Wakefield made the mistake of being outspoken on the need for further safety review and studies for one vaccine and he was made an example of. Also, the debate with the MMR started before Wakefield when the pharmaceutical companies decided to ignore the evidence that it was causing meningitis. +- mmr vaccine caused meningitis in Canada, but they continued to use it in UK and knowingly caused meningitis +https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1544592/Vaccine-officials-knew-about-MMR-risks.html + +Brian Deer, the journalist who railroaded him worked for the Sunday Times, owned by News Corp and Rupert Murdoch. Murdoch’s son James Murdoch had just gotten a job at GlaxoSmithKline who made the MMR vaccine. That is what is called a conflict of interest and explains the lies Deer spread. + +Overview: +http://ahrp.org/significant-shadowy-financial-conflicts-of-interest-behind-persecution-of-andrew-wakefield/ + +John walker-Smith wins appeal +https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mmr-doctor-john-walker-smith-wins-high-court-appeal-7543114.html + +What the study said: +“These studies, together with our own, including evidence of anaemia and IgA deficiency in some children, would support the hypothesis that the consequences of an inflamed or dysfunctional intestine may play a part in behavioural changes in some children. “ ... “We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described. Virological studies are underway that may help to resolve this issue.” +https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2897%2911096-0/fulltext",2019-11-17 03:03:51 +Comment,3,f7nnbre,,0,1573939889.0,Quality of life is important. Even if it's a short life.,2019-11-16 23:31:29 +Comment,2,f7nn9mo,,0,1573939844.0,"Well, you can ask her how she feels about the fact that people at risk for dying because of the flu are predominantly those with underlying medical problems.",2019-11-16 23:30:44 +Comment,3,f7mmvfr,,0,1573896522.0,"The doctors have not been clear about how long he has left. They were the ones that wanted the vaccine. He also routinely refuses to obey instructions from his cardiologist and has refused medications. That’s actually a large reason why he is the way he is. He refused to go to the cardiologist for almost 10 years and quit his previous meds cold turkey even though he was born with a defect in his heart and had stints. This is what we are dealing with. The only reason he went back is because we strong-armed him into it. Low and behold, his rather garden variety CAD had progressed to heart failure because he put it off so long.",2019-11-16 11:28:42 +Comment,2,f7mmig2,,0,1573896231.0,I’m a very provax nurse. But I don’t understand the reason why you would badger him into accepting a pneumonia vaccine if he is already dying of congestive heart failure. Let him live out his days in peace.,2019-11-16 11:23:51 +Comment,2,f7m4n59,,0,1573883385.0,I plan on talking to her about it later. It was pretty dang shocking.,2019-11-16 07:49:45 +Comment,6,f7m4hju,,0,1573883281.0,"Tell your mom you're extremely concerned about the nurse's belief in the vaccination and autism link (the original study on the ""link"" was eventually proven to have had falsified data). + +The fact that your dad is anti-vax is bad enough, but a medical professional should know better.",2019-11-16 07:48:01 +Comment,3,f7m3jwn,,0,1573882649.0,"Besides the vaccine issue, she’s okay. Both of my parents like her, even though my mom is not anti vax.",2019-11-16 07:37:29 +Comment,5,f7m3fu7,,0,1573882574.0,Are you allowed to request a different nurse for him? I don't know who you'd ask about that.,2019-11-16 07:36:14 +Comment,2,f7fdv3c,,0,1573706122.0,"Made me laugh, have an upvote.",2019-11-14 06:35:22 +Comment,2,f72cx84,,0,1573387726.0,"Every company manufacturing vaccines has been charged and convicted of lying to the public about the safety of its products. + +Vaccines are labeled “unavoidably unsafe” by the US Supreme Court and were protected from judicial oversight through legal channels (National Child Vaccine Injury Act in 1986), this took away legal channels for discovery and safety review. This happened because so many people said vaccines were injuring their loved ones. + +The ethical argument against double-blind placebo controlled studies is nonsense. In drug trial (vs biologics aka vaccines) a sick individual would be denied a drug that could potentially save their life in order to have a true control to determine an accurate basis of side effects for risk assessment. And in vaccine trials they will not only use a different vaccine as the “placebo”, they will also use a solution with the aluminum adjuvants in place of a saline solution. How is this beneficial to anyone? How is it more ethical to expose someone to the most questionable ingredient in the vaccine with no benefit of generating any kind of antibodies? It’s total nonsense. + +Aluminum does cross the blood brain barrier and accumulate in the body. + +The study “Flarend et al.” was a study of 6 rabbits over 28 days that looked at the absorption and elimination of Al adjuvants. + +The study admits we do not understand Al adjuvants in the body. “The disposition of aluminum containing adjuvants after intramuscular administration is not understood.” + +The study detected Al adjuvant in the brain, kidneys, spleen, liver, lymph nodes and heart. + +Most of Al still in the system after 28 days: “The cumulative amount of aluminum eliminated in the urine during the 28 days of the study was 6% of the Al hydroxide and 22% of the Al phosphate adjuvant dose. Aluminum from both adjuvants was still being excreted at a steady rate at day 28.” + +For Al hydroxide, about 100-5.6% = 94.4% of the aluminum remained in the rabbits after 28 days. For Al phosphate, about 100-22% = 78% remained in the rabbits after 28 days. We do not know the elimination rates of the Al still in the body after 28 days or what happened to the Al that travelled to the brain and other organs. + +Al and macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) lesion +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318414/ +“We previously showed that poorly biodegradable aluminum-coated particles injected into muscle are promptly phagocytosed in muscle and the draining lymph nodes, and can disseminate within phagocytic cells throughout the body and slowly accumulate in brain. This strongly suggests that long-term adjuvant biopersistence within phagocytic cells is a prerequisite for slow brain translocation and delayed neurotoxicity” + +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013417304749 +- mice show ASD symptoms after injection with AL +- discussion of this study https://www.google.com/amp/info.cmsri.org/aluminum-and-your-health-blog/animal-study-reveals-aluminum-adjuvants-can-impair-social-behavior%3fhs_amp=true + +Immunologist argument against mandatory vaccination +http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/ + +Vaccine fundamentalists cling to antiquated treatments not backed by true scientific process. No discussion allowed, dissidents will be shamed, and policy will be mandated. Thus preventing scientific progress and propagating pseudoscience. + +Science vs pseudoscience +https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg + +Scientific progress always takes a long time. And it is ever evolving. Even the now simple concept of hand washing took more than 20 years to catch on and Dr. Semmelweis was mocked and shamed for the notion that Drs may be spreading disease, suffered a nervous breakdown and died due to mistreatment in an asylum. This is how we reward people who question the status quo and seek progress, especially when it may bring to light that Drs may be unwittingly harming patients by following that status quo. + +Do not stop questioning just because you don’t understand the topic. That is when you should ask the most questions.",2019-11-10 14:08:46 +Comment,-1,f726ar4,,0,1573383133.0,"If he meant that it's still a mistake because that isn't what ""biologically irrelevant"" means",2019-11-10 12:52:13 +Comment,2,f721jhq,,0,1573380833.0,"> You can reply if you like, I don’t mind. I’ve already said I wouldn’t be responding further as I don’t have capacity to take it all in and understand it! + +It's honestly for the best. That's a wall of text from a nuthead that I won't touch. I've had my fair share of dealing with antivaxxers and when I can, I help. But it's late and I'd rather sleep than read cray cray comments. + +Don't you worry, no matter what you'll say, you won't actually educate them. They're too far gone.",2019-11-10 12:13:53 +Comment,2,f720efl,,0,1573380317.0,"They can back with this: + + +using double blind, inert-placebo, randomized studies is the gold standard in science for a good reason. +there is only one way u can get around using such safety studies, which is the use of a prior tested medication or vaccine in a double blind, randomized, inert-placebo controlled study, so that the safety of this medication has been proven prior properly, to be used as a control group in an non inferiority type of study, this however was never the case for any vaccine. +and i don't care what a WHO expert panel says, the WHO being a huge part of the pro vaccine push, despite refusal to do proper studies, so why should i listen to an appeal to authority, to an agency, that literally throws oil in the fire of fear of people against people, who are educated and refuse to vaccinate. +and i literally linked 2 sources in the last comment, that showed u, that aluminium in vaccines is an acute exposure. +""An aluminium adjuvant in a vaccine is an acute exposure to aluminium"" +and i linked u a 2nd source showing, that extreme levels of aluminium are found in the brains of autistic people: +""aluminium in brain tissue in autism"" +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763 +so i assume u haven't even read them? +question: if we find the neurotoxin aluminium in the brains of autistic people, where does it come from according to u? could it be, that vaccines are the source? oh wait it is the highest source for it looking at the first paper doing some basic math, the first infanrix hexa vaccination being 3x the load of aluminium to the 56 day old baby, as they got their whole entire prior 55 days of life through breastfeeding, the math is clear, the science is clear. +Doesn't cross the brain's barrier, doesn't accumulate, doesn't do... whatever you and the others claim today. +skeptical raptor calls it pseudoscience, yet we got a clear delivery way and source and we find it in the brain at extreme levels, so it CLEARLY crosses the blood brain barrier, how about u read the sources i give, before u state your believe of the opposite? + + +You can reply if you like, I don’t mind. I’ve already said I wouldn’t be responding further as I don’t have capacity to take it all in and understand it! + +Thanks again for the help earlier!",2019-11-10 12:05:17 +Comment,2,f71z9jb,,0,1573379783.0,"> https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/cbxeou/skeptical_raptor_writes_flawed_article_on_aluminum/ + +Ehhh your first point is kinda missing the point. I think he meant ""biologically"" as in, like in my comment above, aluminium won't accumulate in the body and/or create long term adverse effects. + +Will give it a read tomorrow though. Thanks",2019-11-10 11:56:23 +Comment,0,f71ygh0,,0,1573379311.0,I have written about the flaws in his articles here [https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/ce7fh8/skeptical\_raptor\_exaggerates\_the\_results\_of\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/ce7fh8/skeptical_raptor_exaggerates_the_results_of_an/) and here [https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/cbxeou/skeptical\_raptor\_writes\_flawed\_article\_on\_aluminum/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/cbxeou/skeptical_raptor_writes_flawed_article_on_aluminum/),2019-11-10 11:48:31 +Comment,1,f71wzzr,,0,1573378625.0,Ohh noo. I really liked his blog. What did he say?,2019-11-10 11:37:05 +Comment,2,f71vbrt,,0,1573377734.0,"Don't use skeptical raptor, he has made a lot of mistakes",2019-11-10 11:22:14 +Comment,1,f70a073,,0,1573354915.0,"Thank you so much for spending so much time on this! + +I pasted it as a reply and said I wouldn’t be responding further. If you want to get into something, it’s here: https://reddit.com/r/AntiVaxxers/comments/dtll9t/is_autism_really_that_bad/ +Bottom comment",2019-11-10 05:01:55 +Comment,5,f6ytj1b,,0,1573325424.0,"First of all, double blind studies need large masses of people and it's unethical. Like, if you give a placebo to some infants that could be saved from tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis etc, would you do it? What if they die from that disease? + +https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/94056/9789241506250_eng.pdf;jsessionid=D19837B6AAF49E362E4297F66EBB53E4?sequence=1 + +Example for the rotavirus vaccine + +>A key ethical aspect considered when adopting the placebo-controlled design was that the risks of withholding rotavirus vaccine could be (and were) mitigated by rehydration counselling and regular check-ups. + + +Another problem with that is that these vaccines were proven over and over again that they are effective. And there are multiple methods to do that without risking someone's lives. Like testing for antibodies. It's simple, it's effective, it doesn't cost that much, especially not a life! + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4157320/ + +>Against this backdrop, the WHO Department of Ethics and Social Determinants convened an expert consultation to provide recommendations on the use of placebo controls in vaccine trials in cases where an efficacious vaccine already exists. + +See? It's not like the dropped the vaccines on the market and then let them do damage and hope for the best. The vaccines were extensively tested anyway, so yeah, now maybe they can have some placebo tests done, if it doesn't risk... let's say, an infant's life. But they don't even need to do that. They just have to use an unvaccinated cohort (and they can find that for sure, either because of poverty, lack of vaccines, etc) and compare the results. + +>While this paper focuses specifically on the use of placebo controls, similar considerations apply to open designs in which a placebo is not used, but an unvaccinated control group is included. + + +Another great article. + + +https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/vaccine-randomized-clinical-trials + + +For the other thing: https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/aluminum-and-vaccines-its-time-to-clear-up-the-pseudoscience/ + +First it was ""mercury"" or thimerosal, which is a salt of mercury. Now it's aluminium. They're just moving goal posts. + +The dose makes the poison. From a 0,5 ml dose of a vaccine, aluminium will not be in such a high quantity and it will be eliminated from the body within 72 h and wouldn't be able to travel anywhere, since it's injected subcutaneously or intramuscularly. + +In fact, it stays there, irritates the skin, draws white blood cells to it and then will help create a higher immune response than a vaccine without it. That's it. + + +Doesn't cross the brain's barrier, doesn't accumulate, doesn't do... whatever they claim today. + + +PS: skeptical raptor is an MD and his blog has done many articles debunking their bullshit, with sources.",2019-11-09 20:50:24 +Comment,1,f6njdph,,0,1573021593.0,"It's funny that. In England & Wales from 1901 to 1970 sudden and inexplicable deaths in under 4 year old's was a rarity with just a few cases per year. In 1961 the first measles vaccine was trialed here. 1961 saw a higher than ever reported morbidity of measles and a higher than average mortality, the 5 years prior to this we weren't even seeing 100 deaths per year which was quite the achievement given at the start of the century we were seeing up to >13,000 in a year, in 1961 we saw 152 deaths. 1962 they seemed to step back. No reports of any tests and the numbers showed it. Case rates plummeted, as did mortality. 1963, they officially star to use the first measles vaccine. Again, we see morbidity and mortality rise: + +Year Cases Deaths + +1956 160,556 28 + +1957 633,678 94 + +1958 259,308 49 + +1959 539,524 98 + +1960 159,364 31 + +**1961 763,531 152** + +1962 184,895 39 + +**1963 601,255 127** + +**1964 306,801 73** + +**1965 502,209 115** + +**1966 343,642 80** + +**1967 460,407 99** + +If you look at the history of measles mortality, you see a pattern develop - low then high. Over the decades, mortality bombed. No NHS, no antibiotics, no vaccine, just improved living and better understanding. When you look at 1956 to 1960 and compare that to how the drop was constant up until this point, there was nothing in nature that should have allowed mortality to rise the way it did, the **only** difference during these times was the measles vaccine. Mortality was almost double what it should have been during these times. + +In 1968 an *improved* vaccine is released and measles rates settle. Uptake is slow, however, the interesting thing is the rise in sudden and inexplicable deaths in children under the age of 4 from 1970. Prior to 1970, there were 2, maybe 3 if any deaths in under 4's which couldn't be explained. + +**Sudden and unexplained deaths in under 4's:** + +**1961 -** 0 + +**1962 -** 0 + +**1963 -** 0 + +**1964 -** 1 + +**1965 -** 1 + +**1966 -** 0 + +**1967 -** 0 + +**1968 -** 1 + +**1969 -** 2 + +**1970 -** 51 + +**1971 -** 250 + +**1972 -** 454 + +**1973 -** 581 + +**1974 -** 600 + +**1975 -** 634 + +**1976 -** 626 + +**1977 -** 690 + +**1978 -** 736 + +It got so bad, they even invented a syndrome. + +""Vaccinated people live long enough to be adults and adults are meanies"" - sure, if you're lucky enough not to be killed and discarded as being just another unknown case of the mystery which is SIDS",2019-11-06 08:26:33 +Comment,4,f68ct6o,,0,1572756317.0,The joke is that they don’t like adults and vaccines keep you alive until adulthood so the kids don’t like vaccines,2019-11-03 06:45:17 +Comment,1,f5x953f,,0,1572566094.0,mmm kaboom salt yum,2019-11-01 01:54:54 +Comment,1,f5wz6yx,,0,1572561733.0,hurb,2019-11-01 00:42:13 +Comment,1,f5wqav2,,0,1572557554.0,bruh,2019-10-31 23:32:34 +Comment,1,f5sm3e4,,0,1572465091.0,"He said it needs further studying for a confirmation. But ok, you do you, prodiseaser.",2019-10-30 21:51:31 +Comment,1,f5slv8q,,0,1572464857.0,"> So... You trust him to have found a correlation but not share it. That's not proof. + +It’s proof in court. Your erroneous beliefs can be contrary to the data at hand and unfortunately it will be null and void.",2019-10-30 21:47:37 +Comment,2,f5skysh,,0,1572463881.0,"So... You trust him to have found a correlation but not share it. That's not proof. Your beliefs are not proof. + +Unpublished abstract is not enough to deaw a conclusion. If it were, then all the studies would just validate your shitty conspiracies. Cherry picking again. Just like you still belive that cray cray Wakefield.",2019-10-30 21:31:21 +Comment,2,f5skulz,,0,1572463755.0,"That's not how it works, but sure. You do your statistics.",2019-10-30 21:29:15 +Comment,0,f5sktje,,0,1572463721.0,"By reading the letter to the editor and eternal emails. He left to work for GSK for Pete’s sake. + +If you read the transcripts you would know they (including Verstraeten) had no other explanation or hypothesis. + +I know the results by reading the unpublished abstract which is derived by scientific data.",2019-10-30 21:28:41 +Comment,-1,f5skke5,,0,1572463432.0,"Conspiracy theories? You can believe that all day. Until you come up with answers the numbers will rise. + +https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html + +You can call relative risk of 7.7 a correlation all day. LMAO SOCIETY IS FUCKED. + +https://imgur.com/a/clISPFG",2019-10-30 21:23:52 +Comment,2,f5skcv5,,0,1572463195.0,And you know he was pressured how? And you know the results how?,2019-10-30 21:19:55 +Comment,1,f5sk6cv,,0,1572462982.0,"The final conclusion of the [study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14595043/) is exactly what they predetermined. Verstraeten was pressured to bury the link. + +> “In phase II at HMO C, no significant associations were found. In no analyses were significant increased risks found for autism or attention-deficit disorder. + +> “CONCLUSIONS: No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes.” + +> **Dr. Bernier, pg 198: ""the negative findings need to be pinned down and published.""** + +A belief system that’s not followed by the evidence. All laid out in the transcripts.",2019-10-30 21:16:22 +Comment,1,f5sk52m,,0,1572462939.0,"No. Because it can't. Clearly you didn't know that even your own body or breastmilk contain formaldehyde. That's naturally produced by your body. If you don't understand that the dose makes it dangerous, then you probably need to drink 20 l of water and see how you feel. + +Also... Maybe go to a physiology class, and take dr weil with you, to learn that the body excretes the ingredients of a vaccine in 72 h tops. + +They literally don't have time to reach the blood barrier seeing how they are in such a small quantity and they're injected subcutaneously or intramuscular. But hey, please, tell me more about how you learned medicine from fucking google. I'm sure you have a diploma too. + +Don't vaccinate your child, by all means. + +I'm sure you'd love tk have him die from tetanus. It's surely easier to swallow than the fact that Kennedy jr has no freaking clue about what he's talking about.",2019-10-30 21:15:39 +Comment,0,f5sju2r,,0,1572462570.0,"> Excuse me? Formaldehyde is toxic too. But what matters in a loooot of cases, the dose makes the poison. And in case you didn't know, the quantity of literally everything in vaccines, is so small, that ot couldn't hurt anyone. + +Yes. Have you considered the possibility the dose in vaccines can make the poison in some individuals? Both aluminum and thimerosal are acknowledged as neurotoxins. + +Read on: + +> Dr. Verstraeten “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.” + +> Dr. Weil, pg. 207: ""The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can't accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn't out of the ordinary.""",2019-10-30 21:09:30 +Comment,2,f5sjtc1,,0,1572462545.0,And the conclusion is definitely not what you dreamed of.,2019-10-30 21:09:05 +Comment,1,f5sjsg9,,0,1572462513.0,"Read what i said further. Vaccines cause autism just like measles causes successful rich people. They didn't find any association. But sure, please educate me some more with conspiracy theories.",2019-10-30 21:08:33 +Comment,0,f5sj9ny,,0,1572461884.0,"Your talking about Walter? Lots of pharma associates and CDC attended the meeting. + +http://vaccines.emory.edu/faculty-evc/primary-faculty/orenstein_walter.html",2019-10-30 20:58:04 +Comment,-1,f5sj1wn,,0,1572461610.0,"You haven’t heard of the [Simpsonwood conference? ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Simpsonwood_CDC_conference) Every MD should read the [transcripts.](https://fearlessparent.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Simpsonwood_Transcript_Scan_by_RJK_OCR.pdf) I posted a site above with some snippets. + +> Correlation doesn’t imply causation. + +The final results don’t imply causation either. Unless it’s “vaccines don’t cause autism” right? + +Read the abstract. Read the transcripts. They found an association (not just autism) and they decided to not publish it.",2019-10-30 20:53:30 +Comment,2,f5sitze,,0,1572461334.0,"It seems to me that even those from your link can't differentiate between thimerosal/Ethylmercury and methylmercury. Baaaad doctors, baaaad! + +>Dr. Orenstein pg 1-2 “(For) those who don’t know, initial concerns were raised last summer that mercury, as methylmercury (thimerosal) in vaccines, might exceed safe levels. + + +And then + +> “Thimerosal is cleaved (in the body) into ethylmercury and thiosalicylate which is inactive… The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.” + +Excuse me? Formaldehyde is toxic too. But what matters in a loooot of cases, the dose makes the poison. And in case you didn't know, the quantity of literally everything in vaccines, is so small, that ot couldn't hurt anyone. + + +Ooohh good. He addressed that. “Acutely, it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death, from overdose + +This link seems so chopped. What even is this? + + +Omg. I googled that last doc i quoted. + +Please read this. + + ""The article does not state that we found evidence against an association, as a negative study would. It does state, on the contrary, that additional study is recommended, which is the conclusion to which a neutral study must come."" + +Enough with the cherry picking, you pro diseasers! https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2014/02/22/is-the-cdc-hiding-data-about-mercury-vaccines-and-autism/amp/",2019-10-30 20:48:54 +Comment,1,f5sioss,,0,1572461147.0,What even is that? How did they establish a causation? I'm sure you heard that correlation doesn't imply causation.,2019-10-30 20:45:47 +Comment,1,f5sddg1,,0,1572452899.0,"**Ethylmercury** + +Ethylmercury (sometimes ethyl mercury) is a cation composed of an organic CH3CH2- species (an ethyl group) bound to a mercury(II) centre, making it a type of organometallic cation, and giving it a chemical formula is C2H5Hg+. It is one of the metabolites of thiomersal (thimerosal or sodium ethyl mercuric thiosalicylate), which is used as a preservative in some vaccines. The term ""ethylmercury"" is also sometimes used as a generic term to describe organomercury compounds which include the ethylmercury functional group, such as ethylmercury chloride and ethylmercury urea. + +*** + +^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^] +^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28",2019-10-30 18:28:19 +Comment,2,f5sddf8,,0,1572452898.0,"Desktop link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury +*** + ^^/r/HelperBot_ ^^Downvote ^^to ^^remove. ^^Counter: ^^286598. [^^Found ^^a ^^bug?](https://reddit.com/message/compose/?to=swim1929&subject=Bug&message=https://reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/doyqqk/any_studies_on_how_much_ethylmercury_is/f5sdd95/)",2019-10-30 18:28:18 +Comment,2,f5sdd95,,0,1572452891.0,"Unfortunately there's not a study about this. Read here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury + +They extrapolated the results from the use of methylmercury and didn't study ethylmercury separately :( which is sad. But it's pointless now, as only the flu shot has ethylmercury now. + +I guess you can point out how they're different compounds and their results are irrelevant. Antivaxxers won't care though.",2019-10-30 18:28:11 +Comment,1,f5sd8k0,,0,1572452677.0,Happy cake day!,2019-10-30 18:24:37 +Comment,2,f5s3aoq,,0,1572439125.0,"Or thimerosal. [Citation](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines) for anyone who is interested. It's the table right before ""References,"" towards the bottom of that page.",2019-10-30 14:38:45 +Comment,1,f5s1r5v,,0,1572437677.0,"I was just thinking I haven't posted anything to r/BadVaccineScience is a while, thanks for the idea! + +EDIT: that site is so full of many kinds of errors it is hard to tell where to start",2019-10-30 14:14:37 +Comment,5,f5rhahj,,0,1572423218.0,Most vaccines don't have ethylmercury at all,2019-10-30 10:13:38 +Comment,1,f5jw82b,,0,1572272580.0,"Because you were supposed to get a vaccine for measles, small pox and other deadly diseases, guess that vaccine got rid of your brain cells",2019-10-28 16:23:00 +Comment,1,f5jw4bl,,0,1572272433.0,"Just because you found an article about vaccines on Facebook doesn’t mean everything on it is correct. May I see your phD in medicine that you worked hard on to get. what? Your only evidence is a pintrest post? Ok, that’s good enough",2019-10-28 16:20:33 +Comment,5,f5jtngs,,0,1572269204.0,"It’s a comedic innuendo meaning three younger kids dress up in a trench coat to act/pretend they are older, usually used in the reference to get into an adult movie or anything related.",2019-10-28 15:26:44 +Comment,1,f5ictw5,,0,1572242034.0,Bruh that’s the joke idot,2019-10-28 07:53:54 +Comment,3,f5i6qql,,0,1572240292.0,Three 8 year olds in trench coat am I missing the reference,2019-10-28 07:24:52 +Comment,3,f5i5llx,,0,1572239967.0,I bet the coat was financed by bigpharma!,2019-10-28 07:19:27 +Comment,1,f5fadtg,,0,1572209097.0,Dude are we gonna have to r/woosh you right now? Cause this looks r/woosh,2019-10-27 22:44:57 +Comment,1,f5fa6lj,,0,1572208996.0,"Probably, I’m pretty sure you can die from it.I think Eazy E died from complications of aids and I don’t want my tombstone saying “he died cause he didn’t check if she was tested”. That’s embarrassing.",2019-10-27 22:43:16 +Comment,1,f55inct,,0,1572036965.0,You dads epilepsy is probably from a severe head injury. Or head injury and stroke. Has your father had any of these?,2019-10-25 23:56:05 +Comment,3,f4oqkm3,,0,1571734884.0,"Good luck getting this through their thick skulls, they ask for peer reviewed papers, and even then will ignore it. Trust me, i've tried to tell them this.",2019-10-22 12:01:24 +Comment,1,f4lcfmo,,0,1571694118.0,You think?,2019-10-22 00:41:58 +Comment,1,f4gei4i,,0,1571609055.0,Yea lol,2019-10-21 01:04:15 +Comment,1,f4g42vx,,0,1571606114.0,My god people are missing the joke,2019-10-21 00:15:14 +Comment,2,f4detmp,,0,1571570458.0,Not cool,2019-10-20 14:20:58 +Comment,3,f4bq9x2,,0,1571545515.0,Oh ok,2019-10-20 07:25:15 +Comment,4,f4aywpe,,0,1571532645.0,"When an EKG is flat, it means that the person's heart stopped beating, so that person is dead. An unvaccinated child dies at a young age.",2019-10-20 03:50:45 +Comment,1,f4ayktp,,0,1571532490.0,They’re nothing they’re,2019-10-20 03:48:10 +Comment,2,f3hxc6r,,0,1570958502.0,Technically there will be more autism because more people but the percentage won't increase,2019-10-13 12:21:42 +Comment,1,f3hlp46,,0,1570954240.0,>:),2019-10-13 11:10:40 +Comment,1,f3hkttd,,0,1570953895.0,"OH NO, THE PEARS ARE COMING TO KILL US",2019-10-13 11:04:55 +Comment,1,f3hkpoa,,0,1570953850.0,I know,2019-10-13 11:04:10 +Comment,1,f3et449,,0,1570913886.0,So do pears though :D,2019-10-12 23:58:06 +Comment,1,f3dcr49,,0,1570863618.0,I know,2019-10-12 10:00:18 +Comment,1,f3dclwx,,0,1570863559.0,"Yes, that is the joke.",2019-10-12 09:59:19 +Comment,1,f39r6rd,,0,1570782976.0,They realize dihydrogen monoxide is just a fancy way of saying water right?,2019-10-11 11:36:16 +Comment,1,f2rn34i,,0,1570403358.0,You’d think they’re a bit bias wouldn’t you? 🤔,2019-10-07 02:09:18 +Comment,1,f2dtbk3,,0,1570193028.0,Can I nominate others for a Nobel in chem?,2019-10-04 15:43:48 +Comment,3,f2d0p6a,,0,1570174039.0,Thx,2019-10-04 10:27:19 +Comment,5,f2czpy1,,0,1570173769.0,"not gonna say what it is, but this is a perfect act. +Kudos to you OP.",2019-10-04 10:22:49 +Comment,1,f1g1rjj,,0,1569486776.0,oh my bad man,2019-09-26 11:32:56 +Comment,1,f1frrgi,,0,1569480296.0,Almost all antivaxers want the best for their children but they are very mistaken.,2019-09-26 09:44:56 +Comment,2,f1flcpy,,0,1569475799.0,Yep all good,2019-09-26 08:29:59 +Comment,1,f1fbwnw,,0,1569469924.0,"I may have misinterpreted OP, but I thought you were defending the idea that you can draw conclusions form a single point in time. I think everything has been cleared up now",2019-09-26 06:52:04 +Comment,1,f1fakpb,,0,1569469099.0,"> So we agree on this point + +Sort of. It's now been extracted out of its origin by you, intentionally or otherwise. + +>This part of the title ""vaccines don’t cause autism and said that if it were true there would be a higher rate of kids with autism and there is not."" made me think OP was trying to draw conclusions from one point in time, which I was saying is incorrect + +Yes you've said several times that's what you thought OP was suggesting. You've not unpacked why you think that is the case over alternatives, even when one of the responses to OP explicitly implies a rate change. The offhanded summary in the title is an ambiguous take on a different conversation. Considering there many different ways that can actually be interpreted--one of which you've already talked about, some others I've introduced--what are you trying to accomplish? What is this discussion supposed to be about?",2019-09-26 06:38:19 +Comment,1,f1f295a,,0,1569464318.0,"I'fe been trying my best to explain this, and I am having trouble explaining it well,, but I am definitely acting in good faith + +>You cannot look at one point in time and conclude anything. + +So we agree on this point + +This part of the title ""vaccines don’t cause autism and said that if it were true there would be a higher rate of kids with autism and there is not."" made me think OP was trying to draw conclusions from one point in time, which I was saying is incorrect",2019-09-26 05:18:38 +Comment,1,f1e7blw,,0,1569443716.0,">I was doing my best to explain this until you started attacking my motives, anyway + +I don't think so. I suggested you were acting in bad faith after several back-and-forths where you never explained yourself or why you were assigning specific arguments to OP. And at each point you had every opportunity to explain what you meant and why you thought so, and you never did. + +>I am saying that just because most people don't have autism doesn't tell you about what causes autism, only changes, or lack thereof, in the number of people with autism can tell you this + +You originally said that OP claimed a rate of ASD independent of change or what not was enough to determine if vaccines had any effect on ASD. OP never claimed this, and you never explained why one might presuppose a static rate of ASD was reasonable to begin with. + +And *that* was what I was trying to tell you. ASD rates have changed independent of vaccines. You cannot look at one point in time and conclude anything. You insisting that OP said that is bad faith, since there is nothing to indicate that's what they meant, you never asked them about it, and there are plenty of reasonable interpretations on the table. + +I think you've now tried to walk it back to a more general rebuttal of something that, well, nobody suggested was the case to begin with.",2019-09-25 23:35:16 +Comment,1,f1dcwkv,,0,1569408968.0,"I was doing my best to explain this until you started attacking my motives, anyway, I am saying that just because most people don't have autism doesn't tell you about what causes autism, only changes, or lack thereof, in the number of people with autism can tell you this",2019-09-25 13:56:08 +Comment,1,f1dc82q,,0,1569408406.0,">My initial point that you seemed to think was wrong was that the rate of autism can't tell you if vaccines cause it, only the trend in the rate can tell you this, but not the rate itself + +Yes and you never explained how this is possible, what exactly that means, or why you're so certain this is what OP claimed. You have twice mentioned rates in general without much explanation, and several times asked me to clarify, but we never get any new clarification on your end. Just endless complaints about tone, supposed inferences about your motives, and anything else you can try to grab on to. + +So now's your chance!",2019-09-25 13:46:46 +Comment,1,f1dbtep,,0,1569408076.0,"My initial point that you seemed to think was wrong was that the rate of autism can't tell you if vaccines cause it, only the trend in the rate can tell you this, but not the rate itself",2019-09-25 13:41:16 +Comment,0,f1dbd2x,,0,1569407713.0,"> It's not clear exactly what you think I was wrong about + +I dunno. What you just suggested you might be wrong about? At this point you're just trying to obfuscate. I made it clear from the get go. If you've forgotten it's because you're too busy playing games. + +>you started talking about how you think being wrong is bad faith, rather than just pointing out what you thought was wrong + +I said what was wrong in the beginning. Just about the very first comment I made. + +>So if I was wrong and still haven't realized it, that's what you consider bad faith? that's not what bad faith means + +At least try to keep up, honestly. If you refuse to admit you are wrong and continue to argue anyway after you know you are wrong...*that's bad faith*. If you don't realize you're wrong, that's a different story, but since you don't bother justify how that's the case that is itself a *different* level of disingenuous argument. + +We're multi-layered at this point because you have no apparent desire to do anything but argue for the sake of argument. It's open and shut any way you play it now.",2019-09-25 13:35:13 +Comment,1,f1dapux,,0,1569407198.0,"It's not clear exactly what you think I was wrong about, you started talking about how you think being wrong is bad faith, rather than just pointing out what you thought was wrong + +>If it's the latter, then yes of course it's bad faith. + +So if I was wrong and still haven't realized it, that's what you consider bad faith? that's not what bad faith means",2019-09-25 13:26:38 +Comment,0,f1dae5u,,0,1569406940.0,"You've never admitted to being wrong so far. Are you saying as much, or not? Because if it's the former, then you were just wrong by jumping the gun. If it's the latter, then yes of course it's bad faith.",2019-09-25 13:22:20 +Comment,1,f1da8q1,,0,1569406822.0,">I outlined several times how you were. + +You pointed out how you thought I was wrong, and then assumed that you can't be wrong in good faith, so yes your 'observations"" were erroneous",2019-09-25 13:20:22 +Comment,0,f1da0xv,,0,1569406653.0,"> I wasn't +> +> + +I outlined several times how you were. + +>Well they are erroneous ""observations"" + +They weren't.",2019-09-25 13:17:33 +Comment,1,f1c1fg9,,0,1569376532.0,">Next time try not to come at things from a place of bad faith. + +I wasn't + +>These aren't accusations, they're observations. + +Well they are erroneous ""observations""",2019-09-25 04:55:32 +Comment,0,f1bapei,,0,1569358270.0,"Next time try not to come at things from a place of bad faith. These aren't accusations, they're observations.",2019-09-24 23:51:10 +Comment,1,f1a4v79,,0,1569314047.0,I'm not sure what you are talking about or why you insist on making false accusations of bad faith? I'm done here,2019-09-24 11:34:07 +Comment,0,f1a4jz8,,0,1569313846.0,">Are you actually saying it's impossible to be wrong without being dishonest? + +So are you walking that comment back now and just couldn't own up to it clean out of pride, or continuing the bad faith? + +Because if it's the former, then I respect it. I've been an ass. If it's the latter, then I'll press on.",2019-09-24 11:30:46 +Comment,1,f1a3zvw,,0,1569313513.0,">You can't be doing that *and* insisting on one strictly incorrect interpretation of OP's wording in the title. + +Are you actually saying it's impossible to be wrong without being dishonest?",2019-09-24 11:25:13 +Comment,0,f1a3v3w,,0,1569313433.0,">but I AM arguing in good faith + +You can't be doing that *and* insisting on one strictly incorrect interpretation of OP's wording in the title. + +>I'm not interested in continuing discussion which someone who derails the conversation by insisting otherwise. + +You *constantly* divert time and energy to go out of your way and *not* talk about the ""argument"". Which appears to just simply be ""OP wrong"" because you read it that way. + +But if you want to stop...then stop already. If you want to start...then get to it. I've done nothing but engage what you've said consistently and you've done nothing but shy away from any real talk time and time again.",2019-09-24 11:23:53 +Comment,1,f1a1t2a,,0,1569312128.0,"I have been arguing honestly the whole time, I'm not interested in continuing discussion which someone who derails the conversation by insisting otherwise. If you think I'm wrong that's fine, but I AM arguing in good faith",2019-09-24 11:02:08 +Comment,0,f1a0wp3,,0,1569311542.0,"Eh, that's fine. I'm sure I'll see you around. Minor correction, though: + +>you seem to be misconstruing that confusion as bad-faith argument + +They're quite separate and I've kept them distinct. Your confusion has come after the bad faith argument you've put forth over and over. I'm not quite sure what you're confused about as I think the comments flow quite fine on revisiting, but if you don't want to know then that's that.",2019-09-24 10:52:22 +Comment,1,f18ekxu,,0,1569285372.0,"I am not interesting in continuing this conversation if it is going to be personal like this. Your responses are leaving me increasingly confused, and you seem to be misconstruing that confusion as bad-faith argument, so this conversation is now pointless",2019-09-24 03:36:12 +Comment,0,f18ch1f,,0,1569284533.0,"> I'm just asking you not to speculate that I am somehow engaging in bad faith + +I'm not speculating. That's what you're doing over and over. *Why* you're doing that is the speculation, but I never tried to put a label on that. + +>I've seen people on here saying that unless all vaccinated people have autism vaccines cant cause it, that's what I thought OP was implying and why I corrected him, **maybe I misinterpreted him**, but if so you can point that out without all the weird speculation about my motives + +At the least you're dealing with a strawman. There simply isn't enough substance to even gather that from the title. I've already pointed that out separately. That you keep doing it is what is bizarre especially without actually expanding or tying it in to any substantive conversation. + +>I don't even know what having ""a chip on your shoulder with vaccines"" means + +Are you familiar with the [idiom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_on_shoulder)? I'm basically saying you're always trying to prove something, and usually not literally about the topic at hand. + +>I downvoted you because you tried to derail the conversation into accusations about my motives + +That's not what downvotes are for, even if we take that explanation at face value. Comments and threads can evolve in scope. If you don't want to go there, then stop engaging on that point. + +Besides, I never accused you of specific motives. That is, *again*, your misinterpreting of my comment. And you've been doing a lot of that lately. This wraps back around to the idea you have a chip on your shoulder.",2019-09-24 03:22:13 +Comment,1,f17m1yf,,0,1569273804.0,"Throwing a fit here? I'm just asking you not to speculate that I am somehow engaging in bad faith + +>Are you *really* trying to tell me that OP's offhanded wordchoice is something you want to come and correct? It's not wrong, just ambiguous. + +I've seen people on here saying that unless all vaccinated people have autism vaccines cant cause it, that's what I thought OP was implying and why I corrected him, maybe I misinterpreted him, but if so you can point that out without all the weird speculation about my motives + +>Why you have such a chip on your shoulder with vaccines I don't know. + +I don't even know what having ""a chip on your shoulder with vaccines"" means + +>If you're going to be an ass and just downvote me because you're upset + +I downvoted you because you tried to derail the conversation into accusations about my motives",2019-09-24 00:23:24 +Comment,0,f17l7dt,,0,1569273437.0,">Maybe I did, could you clarify? + +I said that, for whatever reason, you *wanted* what OP said in the title to be wrong. I think you took that as me saying you wanted him to be wrong, as in that vaccines cause ASD. + +>All i'm trying to ""shut down"" is a ridiculous diversion into false speculation about my motives for saying the title is wrong + +Yeah, exactly what I thought. Like I don't get you. Why did you come to this thread? Are you *really* trying to tell me that OP's offhanded wordchoice is something you want to come and correct? It's not wrong, just ambiguous. And there's literally no greater principle to clarify or talk about...because we already did that and you weren't interested. + +> the reason I think it is wrong is because if vaccines caused something it could affect 1 in 1 million kids or 1 in 5, or anywhere in between + +And the reason *you* are wrong is because: **that would still be discernable in the rate**. It took you this long to say it and when you finally do it's not even contradictory as I've been saying this whole time. Why you have such a chip on your shoulder with vaccines I don't know. + +If you're going to be an ass and just downvote me because you're upset, why are you here? You're the one who will be the first to tell people to calm down and be reasonable and yet you're just throwing a fit here.",2019-09-24 00:17:17 +Comment,1,f17k8df,,0,1569273029.0,">You clearly misunderstood what I said + +Maybe I did, could you clarify? + +>if you're going to shut down like this + +All i'm trying to ""shut down"" is a ridiculous diversion into false speculation about my motives for saying the title is wrong, the reason I think it is wrong is because if vaccines caused something it could affect 1 in 1 million kids or 1 in 5, or anywhere in between",2019-09-24 00:10:29 +Comment,0,f17jsie,,0,1569272780.0,"You clearly misunderstood what I said. If you're going to shut down like this then what's the point of starting these conversations? You clearly had no intention of actually having a discussion and must have just arrived here by word search. + +OP isn't wrong and you trying to insist as much is tiring. Go somewhere else already.",2019-09-24 00:06:20 +Comment,1,f16d81l,,0,1569237784.0,"yes I can answer it, and the answer is that your speculation about my motives is just wrong",2019-09-23 14:23:04 +Comment,1,f15xzeq,,0,1569227131.0,"I dunno, how would I know? That's something only you can answer.",2019-09-23 11:25:31 +Comment,1,f15r1rx,,0,1569223530.0,Why would I want it to be wrong?,2019-09-23 10:25:30 +Comment,0,f15ea8b,,0,1569217632.0,Op just mentions ASD rate offhandedly in the post title. As far as I can tell there's no justification for your reading other than just wanting it to be wrong to begin with. There's several ways it's entirely correct and I don't get the discussion value in assuming the opposite.,2019-09-23 08:47:12 +Comment,1,f14itio,,0,1569204567.0,"OP isn't talking about any trend in autism rate, he is just saying that if vaccines caused autism autism would be more common, which doesn't make sense, as some side effects are common and others are rare",2019-09-23 05:09:27 +Comment,1,f13erv4,,0,1569188052.0,I'm still not seeing a problem,2019-09-23 00:34:12 +Comment,1,f11bq1y,,0,1569152297.0,"Everything you said makes sense, about how changes, or lack thereof, in the rate of autism can be used to test a hypothesis about the cause of autism. What OP said is that the absolute rate could be used to tell if it was caused by vaccines, which is what I was saying didn't make sense",2019-09-22 14:38:17 +Comment,1,f1118hh,,0,1569148645.0,">but OP appears to be saying that the rate itself shows that vaccines aren't the cause, which makes no sense + +How does that not make sense? I just mentioned three different ways in which that can be used to test an anti-vaxx hypothesis.",2019-09-22 13:37:25 +Comment,1,f110h2h,,0,1569148373.0,"Obviously changes is autism rate, or lack thereof, could prove or disprove hypotheses about vaccines causing it, but OP appears to be saying that the rate itself shows that vaccines aren't the cause, which makes no sense",2019-09-22 13:32:53 +Comment,1,f10zchq,,0,1569147966.0,"Depends on the specific hypothesis. If it's organic mercury, its inclusion and then removal from vaccines should be preceding a similar trend in ASD diagnosis. If it's alum or just antigen, then we would expect an increase depending on age or decrease over time, respectively + +There's no anti-vaxx hypothesis in which ASD rate remains constant across the time periods we can reliably analyze.",2019-09-22 13:26:06 +Comment,2,f10yp1q,,0,1569147723.0,"The Mawson study (not Mawsom, as the picture says) is not really a study. It's an online poll that specifically sought out anti-vaxx parents to be the ""unvaxxed"" population in their survey. Asking questions such as how frequently their child was sick over the course of many years from memory. No medical records were required for proof of non-vaccine status, proof of illness (or lack thereof) and so forth. + +You'll see it frequently touted by anti-vaxxers as the *only* study that investigates ""totally unvaxxed"" children compared to the general population. It's simply a joke. There's no way to verify any of the children that are supposedly data points in the study even exist.",2019-09-22 13:22:03 +Comment,1,f10kolw,,0,1569142771.0,">if it were true there would be a higher rate of kids with autism + +How does the rate of kids with autism tell you that vaccines don't cause it?",2019-09-22 11:59:31 +Comment,0,f0zmub7,,0,1569127656.0,">elemental mercury as well as short-chain carbon derivatives are almost always more toxic that higher level mercury complexes due to reduced biochemical interaction opportunities and reduced ligand affinity. + +This is interesting and I actually learned something, I had thought you were saying that elemental mercury was less toxic than all organic mercury, now that you specified long-chain organic mercury it makes more sense",2019-09-22 07:47:36 +Comment,3,f0xvi8r,,0,1569077819.0,"The Mawson study [has been retracted twice.](https://retractionwatch.com/2017/05/08/retracted-vaccine-autism-study-republished/) + +>Both studies surveyed the parents of 666 home-schooled children, 39% of whom where not vaccinated, and concluded that vaccination increased the risk of neurodevelopmental problems, particularly if children were born prematurely. + +Even if it hadn't been retracted, a study group of not even 700 children seems to be a poor basis for statistical analysis. + +""....the CDC (a drug company that owns over 52 patents for vaccines) says they're 'safe and effective'"" is an interesting assertion. This makes it sound as if the CDC is responsible for manufacturing vaccines used in childhood, and is making a profit from it, and somehow the researchers and investigators that are in the employ of the CDC are directly profiting. + +[This site](https://vaxopedia.org/2018/05/19/does-the-cdc-own-any-patents-on-vaccines/) is useful for viewing this assertion in context. Just a quick recap: + +The CDC buys a lot of vaccines from manufacturers for distribution. Aside from perhaps a few extraordinary and obscure experimental vaccines, the CDC does not mass-manufacture vaccines. + +The CDC does hold patents; more specifically, the Department of Health and Human Services holds these patents. Most of these technologies involve the vaccine *technology,* and ostensibly allow the government to control intellectual property such that what researchers have developed on the public dollar don't end up being capitalized by industry, where the price would get marked up. + +But I would generally recommend reading the whole darned page, not just my summary.",2019-09-21 17:56:59 +Comment,2,f0xlalj,,0,1569065243.0,"I'd rather not summarize what Snopes already says. Snopes.com/news/2017/05/17/vaccine-study-autism + +They essentially cover the sample size, analysis, and variable operationalizing flaws.",2019-09-21 14:27:23 +Comment,-2,f0xkkhb,,0,1569064536.0,"I'm not using it as an insult I'm just describing what I see, also I want to be specific I don't enjoy having to be self conscious of myself is not a ""self-steem"" issue neither but it is necessary to call things by their exact name like for example describing my height is 1.78 mts or my weight etc... + +Someone said thiomersal is removed from some vaccines and it is now recommended to stop being used all together by researches this only proves there's need to be more investigations etc... + +Also just today I saw several transexuals I've no doubts this ""kind of people"" always existed but from year 2005 until today there have been a resurgence at least in my region of course I'm NOT blaming vaccines for this I'm only bringing this controversial subject to illustrate my point there are 'things' being used in large scale affecting general mental health.",2019-09-21 14:15:36 +Comment,3,f0xkdgl,,0,1569064346.0,"I have addressed the accuracy of your comments, this isn't an ad hominem fallacy, you're ignoring my point. My intent was to make it clear that your lack of education on this subject makes you wholly unqualified to discuss it. Your level of education is almost irrelevant when it comes to debating political topics, but this isn't politics. These are concepts people spend their lives studying. + +Simply you saying my table salt analogy was a poor analogy shows that. It's genuinely difficult to accept that you aren't a child or a troll, given how inept you are regarding these concepts, even so delusional that you would correct undebated facts about chemistry and biochemistry. + +>but your claim that elemental mercury is more toxic than organic mercury is simply not true, and the comparison to table salt was a poor analogy + +Explain, because, you need to be pretty specific if you're outright negating the foundations of biochemistry. + +To address your assertion that I'm wrong about mercury, I'm not. Here's an objective fact: elemental mercury as well as short-chain carbon derivatives are almost always more toxic that higher level mercury complexes due to reduced biochemical interaction opportunities and reduced ligand affinity. If you tell me that's wrong, it's clear you just don't know what you're talking about when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure I don't know anything about whatever you got a degree in. This is foundational biochemistry.",2019-09-21 14:12:26 +Comment,2,f0xjg3i,,0,1569063446.0,"I recognize that you mentioned you were somewhere on the spectrum in your post, so I will respectfully decline to respond to you calling me autistic. If you're using it as an insult, I'm sorry you negatively associate that aspect of yourself. You shouldn't. + +As for the ""past"" people tend to bring up, that was before the FDA was overhauled. That was before we could literally see things happening on the cellular level. That was before we could measure mechanotransduction. That was before we could use efficient and accurate x-ray crystallography. Medicinal and biological science as well as regulative policies have increased in complexity and rigidity in the same way telephones have since the 80's.",2019-09-21 13:57:26 +Comment,-2,f0xje1o,,0,1569063392.0,">I'm not attacking you as a person, I am however heavily disagreeing with your willingness to debate topics whose nuances and basics you know little about. +> +>Seriously. How many times have I told you this? Do legitimate research in a legitimate lab or take a legitimate class. That's why there's a difference between a degree in biochemical engineering and doing occasional online research + +You are committing an ad hominem fallacy by attempting to discredit me as a person rather than point out the flaw in my supposedly ignorant comment + +I am aware that toxicity depends on dose, method of delivery, and adjuvants (kudos for recognizing method of delivery, many people ignore than one), but my point remains that exposure to most mercury compounds presents a risk of mercury toxicity, and such compounds are generally hazardous to handle unless extremely dilute + +I agree that vaccines do not cause mercury toxicity, as any mercury in them is a very small amount, but your claim that elemental mercury is more toxic than organic mercury is simply not true, and the comparison to table salt was a poor analogy + +Please address that accuracy of my arguments directly rather than attempt to attack my level of education",2019-09-21 13:56:32 +Comment,-3,f0xj117,,0,1569063046.0,">The implications of what? + +More often than not there have been cases when suppose substances, habits, practices etc... Where the norm and were considered beneficial by consensus in different times in history later to be proven to be damaging in general, usually there were underlaying factors not taken into account, one example the constant use of antibiotics like amoxicillin will cause a surge of resisten bacterias due to mutation and evolution. + +As you seem I'm speaking in general I hope you don't believe vaccines in general are excluded very likely you don't know the full picture still your response gave me many insight that I will take into consideration. + +I called you autistic bc I could sense rage and haughtiness in your post.",2019-09-21 13:50:46 +Comment,4,f0xi5hh,,0,1569062224.0,"I'm not attacking you as a person, I am however heavily disagreeing with your willingness to debate topics whose nuances and basics you know little about. + +Seriously. How many times have I told you this? Do legitimate research in a legitimate lab or take a legitimate class. That's why there's a difference between a degree in biochemical engineering and doing occasional online research. + +You literally cannot can't define toxic without three important parameters: dose, method of delivery, and adjuvants. + +Ok, so palladium catalysts. They're not irelevant. + +Since you are making bold claims about organic chemistry concepts and pointing out supposed errors in my statement, why don't you explain my error in this statement: semi-sterically hindered palladium catalysts can act to cross couple multiple benzene derivatives with weak nucleophilic groups, replacing the bonds through a three-step process of transmetalation, reductive elimination, and oxidative addition, removing the steric group between second and third steps and adding a halogen after the first. + +Your quick expertise in organic chemistry, so quick to point out 'errors,' should very quickly pick this error up.",2019-09-21 13:37:04 +Comment,-3,f0xh8rf,,0,1569061385.0,">the CONCEPT that molecules are NOT the sum of their atomic parts ALWAYS shines through + +Ok, this is true, but thimerosal is still toxic and compounds of toxic heavy metals are still toxic in the VAST majority of cases + +>Do you know what mercuric, gold, or palladium catalysts are? + +Irrelevant but yes, I do + +>Your ignorance shines through your words. + +I am not attacking you personally, just pointing out errors in your statment, so please don't attack me",2019-09-21 13:23:05 +Comment,3,f0xh63f,,0,1569061316.0,">My knowledge with chemistry is next to cero, perhabs you are right certainly you don't fully know or understand the implications + +The implications of what? I apologise of you read it in a sarcastic tone, but that's not the time I tried to convey. Also ""nuances of autism"" isn't a thing people say. + +If you want to get real, let me know. Don't ask about ""mercury"" in vaccines and then negate an actual expert's response. How in the hell would you know next to zero about chemistry and even be able to judge my understanding of ""the implications"" (still not assigned to a specific thing btw.)",2019-09-21 13:21:56 +Comment,7,f0xgwz5,,0,1569061085.0,"It's not a fucking analogy. It's an excerpt from the basics of organic chemistry. I'm %100 certain you've never taken a class in organic chemistry. Your ignorance shines through your words. + +Don't tell me there's a difference between heavy metal toxicity and simple unstable elements. There's a million differences but the CONCEPT that molecules are NOT the sum of their atomic parts ALWAYS shines through. Do you know what mercuric, gold, or palladium catalysts are?",2019-09-21 13:18:05 +Comment,0,f0xgtnk,,0,1569061002.0,">If that's too confusing, I'm sorry. That's the way it is. Hope it helps + +My knowledge with chemistry is next to cero, perhabs you are right certainly you don't fully know or understand the implications. + +I also have to add your response was unnecessary sarcastic, jest, pedantic with nuances of autism.",2019-09-21 13:16:42 +Comment,2,f0xgpyj,,0,1569060911.0,"Certain tetanus shots also have it, and I have seen conflicting things about meningococcal",2019-09-21 13:15:11 +Comment,-4,f0xgof2,,0,1569060873.0,"This isn't right, organic mercury includes *both* thimerosal and methylmercury, and is MORE toxic than elemental mercury, however, thimerosal isn't bad as methylmercury, but is still extremely toxic, except for the fact that very small amounts are used in vaccines, and it has been removed from most vaccines entirely + +There is a huge difference between heavy metal toxicity and simple unstable elements like sodium and chlorine, so this analogy really doesn't work",2019-09-21 13:14:33 +Comment,9,f0xcaiw,,0,1569057018.0,"Thimerosal was [removed from childhood vaccines in 2001.](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html) + +>Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal. + +>Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions. + +The table on [this](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines) page shows which influenza vaccines contain thimerosal, and how much is present.",2019-09-21 12:10:18 +Comment,4,f0xbh9y,,0,1569056310.0,"If only all the anti-vaxxers could read this objectively... +This is a great explanation. Thank you.",2019-09-21 11:58:30 +Comment,11,f0xafxx,,0,1569055382.0,"So a couple things. + +They didn't link fluoride to reduced IQ in children, they found that doses higher than drinking water (and slightly above EATING toothpaste, which it's clear not to) can act as a teratogen and damage the child during a pregnancy. + +Since your post asks about Mercury, I'll explain that a little more. Elemental mercury isn't the same as organic mercury. If your only chemistry background was in high school or not even then, it's understandable that you may not fully understand this. + +Methanol, HOCH3, is extremely poisonous to humans on low doses. Ethanol, HO(CH3)2, so off by just a saturated carbon, is drinking alcohol. Not safe, but not poisonous at moderate doses. That's just a couple atoms. + +A better example might even be oxygen. Breathing in the oxygen you do, diatomic oxygen, O2, is MUCH different than elemental or ionic oxygen. One let's you live, the other rips apart DNA. That's just a couple electrons. + +The best example, as always, is table salt. Sodium in it's elemental,uncharged, +0 state explodes in reaction with water. Chlorine in it's elemental, uncharged form is an incredibly poisonous gas. But guess what? When these are combined, or for specificty's sake, one electron is removed from each, they become a flavorful, harmless salt. That's one electron that separates an explosive sodium with a dissolvable sodium ion. + +In that same spirit, the mercury that used to be in vaccines wasn't in elemental form. It was in this compound. + https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Thiomersal.svg/1200px-Thiomersal.svg.png + +That looks pretty complex, right? The way molecules are structured doesn't allow for atoms to ""be themselves"" when in a compound. Mercury here (in it's +2 state) can't do what we all know elemental mercury, or even worse, methylmercury, can do. It can't just break free and be a dangerous atom. The resonance forms from the ring as well as the heavy metal salt component make it a completely unique compound; not just the sum of its parts. It's much more complex than that. + +If that's too confusing, I'm sorry. That's the way it is. Hope it helps",2019-09-21 11:43:02 +Comment,1,f0wagz0,,0,1569031614.0,Bro tHis is four months old... And if you read the whole thread I apologized for being so pissy,2019-09-21 05:06:54 +Comment,1,f0s8tmz,,0,1568929644.0,"I'm not either, actually. You see, they tell me that Asperger people are very talented in music and art.",2019-09-20 00:47:24 +Comment,1,f0prlt4,,0,1568873917.0,Don't be. I am who I am. It's no ones fault because that's how life is. My hands are already dealt and decide how to make my life to be better. Like you shouldn't be a shame of your autism,2019-09-19 09:18:37 +Comment,1,f0prgp2,,0,1568873632.0,Sorry to hear that,2019-09-19 09:13:52 +Comment,1,f0prfwq,,0,1568873591.0,I frontal cortex epilepsy and slight autism I believe. I had a problem coming out of my mother and had oxygen deprivation. I'm just socially retarded,2019-09-19 09:13:11 +Comment,2,f0pqy6p,,0,1568872737.0,"Ye, it happens when the cerebral cortex (love at the front of the brain) is pairing up neurons (brain cells), just before birth. When something goes wrong in that process, it can lead to problems that affect the baby's social skills. This is called Autismic Spectrum. As someone with Asperger's Syndrome myself, I should know.",2019-09-19 08:58:57 +Comment,1,f0pj72j,,0,1568864613.0,"Um, well I was pretty unbiased looking into the issue... at first I found the low hanging fruit by the CDC and was leaning towards them being more beneficial than not. Then I started going through Suzanne Humphries lectures on her youtube page and many other documentaries and lectures, that's when the scales tipped in the other direction. + +Then I learned that there's never been done a double blind, placebo study of fully vaccinated verses fully unvaccinated. Honestly, I wouldn't vaccinate until a major such study is done by independent researchers. It could be done ethically by doing it on a voluntary basis. Or doing it an a large number of monkeys or what have you. + +Plus the HHS's requested report on how to improve VAERS finding that less than 1% of vaccine related injuries, including death, are even reported. The CDC ignored the results and are invested in the public perception of the vaccination schedule as being very safe. + +Those last two things made me decide not to vaccinate. I'm not really against them though, people can get them as much as they like, I'm merely against authoritarian-vaxxers, those who would mandate vaccination on the unwilling through coercion.",2019-09-19 06:43:33 +Comment,1,f0mallb,,0,1568769416.0,How do decide that the cons/risks of vaccinating are greater than the cons/risks of not? Was there one deciding factor?,2019-09-18 04:16:56 +Comment,1,f0go5s4,,0,1568631860.0,Your welcome!,2019-09-16 14:04:20 +Comment,2,f0gmzlo,,0,1568631264.0,"Thank you, much appreciated!",2019-09-16 13:54:24 +Comment,2,f0gksij,,0,1568630160.0,Dude you know autism is a genetic defect from birth right?,2019-09-16 13:36:00 +Comment,1,f0ghu93,,0,1568628694.0,"The WHO summarizes the conflicting research on this issue:[https://www.who.int/vaccine\_safety/initiative/tools/DTP\_vaccine\_rates\_information\_sheet.pdf?ua=1](https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/DTP_vaccine_rates_information_sheet.pdf?ua=1) + +>The occurrence of encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis vaccination has been an issue of intense scrutiny and debate. Often cited are the National Childhood Encephalopathy Study conducted in UK from 1976 to 1979 and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) report (1994). The initial findings of the National Encephalopathy study were that acute encephalopathy occurred at a rate of 1 per 310,000 to 5,300,000 doses (95% CI 54,000 to 5,310,000). Subsequent investigations and follow-up of the affected children then cast some doubt on these initial findings and demonstrated no increase in the rate of death or other sequelae after a DTwP vaccine (Edwards et al., 2008). However, despite these revised findings this has been an area of ongoing controversy. In 1994, the IOM concluded that “the balance of evidence is consistent with a causal relationship between DTwP and chronic nervous system dysfunction in children whose serious acute neurological illness occurred within 7 days of a DTwP vaccination”. This may imply that the vaccine rarely may trigger such an event in an individual who may be predisposed to develop such a condition because of an underlying abnormality. The IOM committee concluded that the evidence is insufficient to indicate either the presence or absence of a causal relationship between DTwP vaccine and permanent neurological damage (Cowan et al.,1993). More recent studies do not confirm an association between DTwP and acute encephalopathy. A population-based case-control study has evaluated the association between serious acute neurological illness and receipt of whole-cell pertussis vaccine, given as diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTwP) vaccine. The estimated odds ratio for children with encephalopathy or complicated seizures was 3.6 (95% CI, 0.8 to 15.2). The study concluded that there was no statistically significant increased risk of serious acute neurological illness in the 7 days after DTwP vaccine exposure (Gale et al., 1994). A retrospective case-control study performed at four health maintenance organizations by examining children aged 0 to 6 years who were hospitalized with encephalopathy or related conditions determined that cases were no more likely than controls to have received a DTwP vaccine during the 90 days before disease onset. When encephalopathy of known etiology was excluded, the odds ratio for case children having received DTP within 7 days before onset of disease was 1.22 (95% CI, 0.45-3.31, P = 0.693) compared with control children. The study concluded that DTwP vaccination was not associated with an increased risk of encephalopathy (Ray et al., 2006).",2019-09-16 13:11:34 +Comment,2,f0ggfo3,,0,1568628015.0,Can you direct me to that study on dtp and brain damage?,2019-09-16 13:00:15 +Comment,1,f0g686p,,0,1568623159.0,Wow I really love how everyone in this comment section is typing out long ass responses to strangers they will probably never encounter again,2019-09-16 11:39:19 +Comment,1,f0g5k0y,,0,1568622825.0,Ok so dude I support your view on vaccines being good but dude you needa stop being so toxic towards everyone in your own thread’s comment section,2019-09-16 11:33:45 +Comment,2,f0g1kg3,,0,1568621057.0,"When people realized that DTP caused brain damage in some cases in the 80s some people speculated that this could manifest as autism, but it could have started before that, when Leo Kanner first described autism in 1944, he noted that one of the autistic children became autistic 1 month after a smallpox vaccine, while there wasn't evidence that the vaccine caused the autism, he did make a connection",2019-09-16 11:04:17 +Comment,2,f0g0sx6,,0,1568620719.0,Where did the idea start?,2019-09-16 10:58:39 +Comment,2,ez62tzp,,0,1567737324.0,Well yes technically it isn’t safe. But what is? You can literally die from oxygen yet we live off of it.,2019-09-06 05:35:24 +Comment,1,eyn2gtz,,0,1567257410.0,She will not be swayed. And won't look at any factual evidence I provide. Apparently Facebook memes are more qualified than doctors.,2019-08-31 16:16:50 +Comment,1,eyk5llr,,0,1567166447.0,"He got his license back, only one other doctor that helped with the study lost their license and fought to get it back without much of a battle, because he was able to get it back",2019-08-30 15:00:47 +Comment,1,ey3qc6w,,0,1566799737.0,"The formaldehyde I don't think is a concern at all in the dosage of a vaccine, but you still can't assume that anything safe to eat is safe to inject, this just isn't a valid argument without addressing the specific effects of that chemical.",2019-08-26 09:08:57 +Comment,3,ey3490b,,0,1566783789.0,"It is somewhat silly to say it is meaningless. For instance when antivaxxers say there is formaldehyde in vaccines, ***they usually don't even give a dosage****.* The Op gave the dosage and compared it to bananas. Then you complain because the OP failed to make an adjustment for how much of the formaldehyde in the bananas was not absorbed. Since [most formaldehyde is absorbed by the GI tract,](https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mmg/mmg.asp?id=216&tid=39) this seems to be picking at straws.",2019-08-26 04:43:09 +Comment,1,ey2ng43,,0,1566772734.0,">However scientists have studied the dosages of these substances in vaccines and found them safe at the low amounts used. + +That may be true, but the comparison is still meaningless",2019-08-26 01:38:54 +Comment,2,ey2d98d,,0,1566764458.0,"And of course, he worked was already a centre for children with both bowel problems and behavioural difficulties. It's not like he encountered random children with those two things and MMR in common. And with MMR already being a vaccine given as standard to children, simply saying ""I've found these 12 children with both bowel problems and behavioural problems and 8 of them were given MMR"" proves nothing. There was no control group. It's like a doctor at a clinic for deaf children with diabetes saying ""I've found some children with both deafness and diabetes and most of the were issued birth certificates, therefore birth certificates cause deafness and diabetes"".",2019-08-25 23:20:58 +Comment,2,ey2bxoc,,0,1566762997.0,"You are right that the analogy is not perfect, as injection and ingestion do have different effects. Ingested foods are often only partially absorbed into the blood stream. However scientists have studied the dosages of these substances in vaccines and found them safe at the low amounts used.",2019-08-25 22:56:37 +Comment,0,ey1b9bt,,0,1566723722.0,"The comparison between the amount in food and the amount in vaccines isn't good because injection and ingestion have different effects on the body in some cases + +Also, aluminum is an adjuvant, not a preservative",2019-08-25 12:02:02 +Comment,2,ey1av9p,,0,1566723399.0,"This isn't where the idea that vaccines cause autism started, but this ""study"" did make the idea much more widespread",2019-08-25 11:56:39 +Comment,1,exjybbt,,0,1566393509.0,Me too 🙃,2019-08-21 16:18:29 +Comment,1,exj88i5,,0,1566372941.0,I Iove that channel!,2019-08-21 10:35:41 +Comment,2,exh341f,,0,1566317476.0,"On youtube search: + “Vaccines Kurzgesagt”",2019-08-20 19:11:16 +Comment,1,ewvw74x,,0,1565844050.0,"M +M m",2019-08-15 07:40:50 +Comment,2,ewpkhto,,0,1565671939.0,https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B7TZbvFPUhquY3NIelYxUXJVRFU,2019-08-13 07:52:19 +Comment,1,ewip962,,0,1565482819.0,This video is great. Thank you. I shared it. I can only hope now.,2019-08-11 03:20:19 +Comment,2,ewimhqb,,0,1565481226.0,https://youtu.be/loL_iIWltI0,2019-08-11 02:53:46 +Comment,1,ewim45m,,0,1565480994.0,"Well, neither was that lady until reality hit",2019-08-11 02:49:54 +Comment,2,ewij2l0,,0,1565479118.0,That's awful man. I tried showing her a story where someone actually lost their child from not getting vaxxed but she wasn't receptive.,2019-08-11 02:18:38 +Comment,2,ewif3rr,,0,1565476542.0,Try using this mom as an [example](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/04/14/anti-vax-mom-changes-her-tune-when-all-7-of-her-children-come-down-with-whooping-cough/),2019-08-11 01:35:42 +Comment,1,ewc0vtp,,0,1565304468.0,"The herd-immunity concept is based on a faulty assumption that vaccination elicits in an individual a state equivalent to bona fide immunity (life-long resistance to viral infection). As with any garbage in-garbage out type of theory, the expectations of the herd-immunity theory are bound to fail in the real world.",2019-08-09 01:47:48 +Comment,1,ew60c6p,,0,1565178757.0,"Vaccines often cause a small fever in babies. It’s a result of the immune system doing its job. The fever in itself isn’t bad. But some babies *already* have epilepsy but haven’t had their fist seizure. A fever can trigger the first seizure. + +Now, this would have happened eventually when the kid got a cold or an ear infection. + +The vaccine didn’t cause his epilepsy. It did *possibly* however trigger his first seizure.",2019-08-07 14:52:37 +Comment,2,ew2mmw0,,0,1565079344.0,No he said the opposite of what i said. Ive told you twice. Youre not a shill youre a child.,2019-08-06 11:15:44 +Comment,1,ew2l4mf,,0,1565078264.0,I wasn't and you did nothing to disprove them or me. But keep being angry that we don't want to die from outdated diseases.,2019-08-06 10:57:44 +Comment,2,ew2koqr,,0,1565077944.0,You were wrong. You tried to act like you knew what you were talking about. YOU tried to talk shit and defend him. Now youre shilling exactly like him and changing the subject.,2019-08-06 10:52:24 +Comment,1,ew2kimj,,0,1565077817.0,"Oh man you're really good at Internet conversations I want to keep this one up forever. + +Insult me more Daddy!",2019-08-06 10:50:17 +Comment,2,ew2k4hr,,0,1565077531.0,"Yes, bitch, the shill went the opposite direction of what i said. Are you as retarded as them?",2019-08-06 10:45:31 +Comment,1,ew2hnfn,,0,1565075739.0,No you didn't you just repeated what you had already said. The other poster and you very pointed and specific questions and you didn't even try to answer them.,2019-08-06 10:15:39 +Comment,2,ew1gcub,,0,1565051611.0,Youre an idiot . i gave you an exact answer.,2019-08-06 03:33:31 +Comment,4,ew0ve2k,,0,1565036253.0,So you don't have an answer to any of those questions just now non answers chasing your tail around?,2019-08-05 23:17:33 +Comment,-6,ew0gznc,,0,1565017317.0,"People with (not natural) immunity get the diseases😒😒😒😒 + +Edit. Scaredy cats",2019-08-05 18:01:57 +Comment,5,ew0eeti,,0,1565014158.0,"The titer test tests you for antobodies for a certain disease to see if you have immunity against it. How can you say then they are not immunity, and if they aren't a form of immunity, what are they, why are they also called immunoglobins, and why are they the immune system's main way of fighting diseases?",2019-08-05 17:09:18 +Comment,-4,ew0e8ld,,0,1565013957.0,ANTIBODIES ARE NOT IMMUNITY,2019-08-05 17:05:57 +Comment,6,ew0dwoe,,0,1565013581.0,">One has to know that excessive antibodies start killing other things when the disease they were made for is gone + +So you are basically saying that the ""natural immunity"" was lost over time, which proves that argument you use is as shit as People make it look. That immunity must stay there to barely even count if you want them to be fought back in the future",2019-08-05 16:59:41 +Comment,-6,evznk6a,,0,1564991101.0,"Antibodies are too high. This comes from not knowing acience. Their initial unstinct were correct but thats not enough nowadays. One has to know that excessive antibodies start killing other things when the disease they were made for is gone. 10 is the healthy number. + + +Both of you are tricked equally",2019-08-05 10:45:01 +Comment,1,evz5nlx,,0,1564978348.0,"I don't vaccinate, ask me anything.",2019-08-05 07:12:28 +Comment,1,evf00km,,0,1564513476.0,"Thanks, I’ll try it out",2019-07-30 22:04:36 +Comment,2,evead41,,0,1564489246.0,"As a pro-vaxxer, if you can endure getting called a shill and answering the same arguments over and over, but to different people, go to r/VaxTalk. It's quarantined, but it's not terrible at all.",2019-07-30 15:20:46 +Comment,1,ev9typw,,0,1564359999.0,"if you work in microbiology I'm sure you can give some references that cannot be easily denied but just bringing statements doesn't help in these discussions. + +. +and getting angry and insulting doesn't help too, it just helps people believe in antivaxx. + +. +sorry that I didn't bring any additional content but if you want to help the population you have to behave in a way that people believe you.",2019-07-29 03:26:39 +Comment,1,ev9s09i,,0,1564358579.0,"Ok, I was wrong, apologies, I have now deleted the comments.",2019-07-29 03:02:59 +Comment,1,ev9ikmr,,0,1564351572.0,"You've been emotionally manipulated and feared into thinking vaccines are preventing a plague. + +Keep up the delusion of wishful thinking and appeals to emotion!",2019-07-29 01:06:12 +Comment,1,ev7rtfn,,0,1564292316.0,"Here's a sneak peek of /r/BabyBumps using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/top/?sort=top&t=year) of the year! + +\#1: [No one cares about your baby as much as you do*](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/comments/9w3jxl/no_one_cares_about_your_baby_as_much_as_you_do/) +\#2: [For the ladies who dont have instagram worthy nurseries- this was what we had going at 39 weeks pregnant. 😂](https://i.redd.it/8d9lavaqdp321.jpg) | [277 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/comments/a5a96f/for_the_ladies_who_dont_have_instagram_worthy/) +\#3: [When his family expects to be there for birth](https://imgur.com/5ksg2i5.jpg) | [292 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/comments/aid0ee/when_his_family_expects_to_be_there_for_birth/) + +---- +^^I'm ^^a ^^bot, ^^beep ^^boop ^^| ^^Downvote ^^to ^^remove ^^| [^^Contact ^^me](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=sneakpeekbot) ^^| [^^Info](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/) ^^| [^^Opt-out](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/comments/ciakte/blacklist_vi/)",2019-07-28 08:38:36 +Comment,1,ev7rse4,,0,1564292305.0,"Yeah I've run into them quite a bit, but they typically don't engage with me anymore. Normally she goes around searching for vaccine terms, places like /r/babybumps and tries to instill anti-vaxx rhetoric in variously cloaked or transparent ways. + +There's a couple others too that you can find if you profile dive me. If you went to a 2 month old thread you might like that ;)",2019-07-28 08:38:25 +Comment,1,ev7gmmp,,0,1564288283.0,I applaud you good sir. You made a (who I assume to be an) Anti-Vaxxer rage quit.,2019-07-28 07:31:23 +Comment,1,etvh4dn,,0,1563264056.0,Haha,2019-07-16 11:00:56 +Comment,1,etvg5aj,,0,1563263327.0,Haha,2019-07-16 10:48:47 +Comment,1,etstttl,,0,1563184159.0,"Idk... I'm kinda sick of this whole sub, sorry about that",2019-07-15 12:49:19 +Comment,1,etspdhn,,0,1563180609.0,"I do understand vaccines are healthy, and I never said or alluded to me being superior to you or anybody else in any way. And you asked for my IQ, don't act like I just stated, ""Yes, my IQ is over 2000."" I stated that I wanted to understand why anti-vaxxers believe what they believe, not that I didn't understand vaccines were healthy without contrary proof. Why are you being so argumentative?",2019-07-15 11:50:09 +Comment,1,etrnq43,,0,1563153963.0,"r/iamverysmart +You would think your oh so very high IQ would mean you possess some intelligence, such as understanding vaccines are healthy without seeking contrary proofs, but it is simply an excuse to have a superiority complex.",2019-07-15 04:26:03 +Comment,2,etrnjuh,,0,1563153852.0,...good point.,2019-07-15 04:24:12 +Comment,1,etrngxu,,0,1563153802.0,"Okay. Answering a question with a question. + +My IQ, though kinda irrelevant, is in the high 130's, possibly a bit higher, possibly a bit lower. + +I found this sub today, trying to find a non-joke anti-vac community, so I could better understand their line of thinking. I, personally, am pro-vaccine, but I don't think people against vaccines want their children to die, nor do I think that they're all retards. + +Finally: my question was a joke. If you didn't get it, then sorry, I guess? IDK what to tell you.",2019-07-15 04:23:22 +Comment,1,etr0moe,,0,1563137793.0,Question: where's your IQ? Do you support this sub?,2019-07-14 23:56:33 +Comment,1,etqjbj0,,0,1563116342.0,How many people have you asked that you think it's common?,2019-07-14 17:59:02 +Comment,1,etqgdpi,,0,1563112711.0,People actually think that? I thought murcury being in vaccines was common knowledge.,2019-07-14 16:58:31 +Comment,1,etqg58a,,0,1563112439.0,Question: what's a vacvime?,2019-07-14 16:53:59 +Comment,1,etqfr6v,,0,1563111988.0,And here we see the mythical grammar Nazi. I was starting to worry I was the only one. Have a nice day.,2019-07-14 16:46:28 +Comment,1,etpc0ou,,0,1563080134.0,"> To care about a websites name and not about the facts + +I don't care about its name, I care only about all the misleading and downright false things that are on it. + +> Because I'm not afraid to find things out, I want to believe as many true things and as little false + +That's great, it's a very healthy attitude to have. + +I'd recommend working on some introductory biology classes, there's lots of open courseware-type materials from real universities out there",2019-07-14 07:55:34 +Comment,2,etopx4e,,0,1563063281.0,"Oops, looks like I forgot the link to my post, here it is [https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/bxcm8p/a\_unique\_perspective\_on\_the\_vaccine\_controversy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/bxcm8p/a_unique_perspective_on_the_vaccine_controversy/)",2019-07-14 03:14:41 +Comment,2,eto0n3m,,0,1563036768.0,Thank you!,2019-07-13 19:52:48 +Comment,3,etm9ymn,,0,1562984073.0,"r/DebateVaccines, which is a large sub that is becoming mostly antivax, and r/VaccineDiscussion, a smaller sub that has people from both sides + +Here is my post explaining why some people are antivax, based on my experience (I used to be antivax)",2019-07-13 05:14:33 +Comment,4,etm0dwi,,0,1562978117.0,R/conspiracy maybe? They seem to be in that sub more than any where else on reddit.,2019-07-13 03:35:17 +Comment,1,etig2pm,,0,1562877810.0,"Thank you. I really do stress myself out over it. It's important but also very stressful and difficult. + +I'm going to take a holiday soon and just clear my mind and body from the amount of ignorance, insults, and blindness from the pro Vaccine zealots. + +I stay up and took time from home work for this shit. It's time for me to sum up and take a break I think",2019-07-11 23:43:30 +Comment,2,etifisf,,0,1562877365.0,"I don’t know how you do it man. I had a brain aneurysm arguing with people who say they have done research, trying to convince me that All my info was wrong even tho I was literally pulling everything from government websites. “Oh, you don’t know how to research and those aren’t peer reviewed studies.” 🙄🙄🙄 Oh I forgot. The government doesn’t know what it’s doing so I shouldn’t quote from their websites. But I should definitely get vaccinated because the government says it’s healthy. I applaud your efforts. Keep growing.",2019-07-11 23:36:05 +Comment,1,etifb0h,,0,1562877198.0,"Half are about autism, sone are about brain damage, some are about how vaccine causes the damage.",2019-07-11 23:33:18 +Comment,1,etibrch,,0,1562874147.0,"We were discussing evidence that human vaccines cause autism. You are doing a Gish gallop, providing lots of articles that are not about autism. You could provide me with a 1000 articles, but the quality is so low they mean nothing.",2019-07-11 22:42:27 +Comment,1,etf0lur,,0,1562784427.0,"So you just ignored the 25 other sites? + +I linked that one because ageofautism is actually going to be one of the only unbiased towards discrediting Andrew Wakefield. + +To care about a websites name and not about the facts is a great and obvious way of avoiding the things you don't want to hear, by not listening to the opposing side, by not entering an open minded state, by avoiding reading what you might find uncomfortable and cognitively difficult. + +I as an anti vaxxer, always look at CDC, FDA, vaxyourkids.org, who, getvaccinated.org, immuniseyourkids.org, vaccinesaresafe.org, vaxopedia.org and the guardian. + + +Because I'm not afraid to find things out, I want to believe as many true things and as little false.. And not looking at opposing sites isn't going to get me to that point. + +I'm not afraid to read into what people say against me, because it's better to find out what they're saying, creating a steep man father than making a strawman.",2019-07-10 21:47:07 +Comment,2,ete3a5d,,0,1562750632.0,"> Because apparently it's better than the plague that's supposed to happen if we don't vaccinate. + +measles, pertussis, and any of the literally hundreds of vaccine-preventable illnesses are killing and permanently injuring people every second of every day, right now, and it's getting worse. + +Why do you think that outbreaks of measles are concentrated around neighborhoods with a low % of immunizations, and incidence of outbreaks increases with a decrease in the vaccination rate? + +Like, I would genuinely like to know why you think that might be. It's something that's happening right now in the real world. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oZrMGDMMw + +> Also, okay, it's like... maybe stop causing autism and we'll take your vaccines.. but why can't you let us investigate it and fix it? Oh that's right, because we might find out you've lied over and over and over, covered up soo much data, ignored so many scientists, discredited respectable information and studies.. + +what",2019-07-10 12:23:52 +Comment,3,ete1rne,,0,1562749543.0,"Is Age of Autism ""real science and facts"" to you?",2019-07-10 12:05:43 +Comment,-2,etdxtbs,,0,1562746710.0,">1) why are you getting so defensive about a youtube link? Did I say anything disparaging about learning through Youtube? Calm down. + +Because for some reason most people say to me ""yeah a bunch of YouTube videos are really good proof"" and it's like they are!! If they contain Evidence and science. + +>2) i never said Andrew Wakefield was jailed. But he did lose his medical license and has been discredited over and over again. + +Again, discredited doesn't mean fairly discredited. + +I can discredit Einstein all I want doesn't make him wrong. + +>3) you lose all credibility if you bring up Andrew Wakefield in any anti-vax argumen + +Well only if of course you believe that Andrew Wakefield was wrong. And even if he was, it still doesn't discredit my argument because that would be a fallacy of containment.. because something contains a false piece of information, doesn't mean that the rest is also false. + +It's just an easy way for you to ignore and to rationalize not being reasonable. + +>) not interested in reading any of your links. Are any of them links to credible peer-reviewed studies? If not, then don't waste your time posting them to me. + +Well, if you bothered to check, nearly all of them were peer reviewed. + +Andrew Wakefields paper was peer reviewed 12 times. And stayed published for 5 years, and then suddenly it was retracted.. as soon as it got mainstream.. hmmm strange that one..",2019-07-10 11:18:30 +Comment,5,etdw02k,,0,1562745427.0,"1) why are you getting so defensive about a youtube link? Did I say anything disparaging about learning through Youtube? Calm down. + +2) i never said Andrew Wakefield was jailed. But he did lose his medical license and has been discredited over and over again. + +3) you lose all credibility if you bring up Andrew Wakefield in any anti-vax argument. + +4) not interested in reading any of your links. Are any of them links to credible peer-reviewed studies? If not, then don't waste your time posting them to me.",2019-07-10 10:57:07 +Comment,-1,etdrcye,,0,1562742123.0,"1) Autism is not ***just***... genetic, it's a behavioural diagnostic term for anything that leads to its criteria, such as brain damage, gut health, biology etc.. Or, genetic abnormalities. Or, environment. + +It's a biomedical, neuropsychiatric, and environmental disorder. + +https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190530101143.htm + +https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/study-kids-autism-have-fewer-kinds-gut-bacteria + +https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/faecal-transplant-may-help-children-autism-study-suggests/ + +https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325338.php + +https://newatlas.com/autism-gut-microbiome-gene-fecal-transplant/59931/ + +2) Various vaccine → damage links. + +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763 + +https://www.theepochtimes.com/vax-unvax-study-of-mice-implicates-hepatitis-b-vaccine-media-silent_2529678.html + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-study-of-mice-links-hepatitis-b-vaccine-to-autism/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27501128/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/two-vaccines-opposite-effects-brain/ + +https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2018/08/18/aluminum-in-the-brain-in-multiple-sclerosis-regulatory-and-funding-agencies-silent-complicit/ + +https://talks.ox.ac.uk/talks/id/b8a108e2-caba-47d5-8ee1-7a68085f2457/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868131/ + +https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/a-lone-fda-scientist-could-end-the-autism-epidemic/ + +https://www.naturalstacks.com/blogs/news/vaccines + +https://helenlobato.com/2018/12/08/aluminium-found-in-granulomas-and-lymph-nodes-of-sheep-after-vaccination-a-wake-up-call-like-no-other/ + +https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300985818809142?journalCode=vetb + +https://youtu.be/FfTo35UrFPA (yes a dreaded YouTube video, my goodness, what's next, a still image of a webpage that displays text? Oh my it's just a medium to present information for fucks sake). + +https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/high-aluminum-found-autism-brain-tissue/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/high-aluminum-content-autistic-brains/ + +3) Andrew Wakefield, who was actually never charged for falsifying data, that was Brian Deer's successful attempt at discrediting, attacking, and misrepresenting his opponent, and a claim that he spread to the masses, such that today, we have people still believing Andrew was jailed, and falsified and lied and made up data. When none of this is true. + +https://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/time-to-revisit-deers-claims-that-wakefield-fabricated-his-findings.html + + + +Extra) + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2017/minnesota-somalis-have-worlds-highest-rate-of-autism-mmr-vaccine-link/ +(ignore first image, I disagree with it, because vaccines are used in the dozens of MILLIONS whereas measles only occurred in the dozens of thousands (although we don't know for sure, since diagnosis of measles is difficult for doctors that rarely ever experienced measles prevelancy).",2019-07-10 10:02:03 +Comment,-2,etdrb99,,0,1562742091.0,"Because apparently it's better than the plague that's supposed to happen if we don't vaccinate. + + +Also, okay, it's like... maybe stop causing autism and we'll take your vaccines.. but why can't you let us investigate it and fix it? Oh that's right, because we might find out you've lied over and over and over, covered up soo much data, ignored so many scientists, discredited respectable information and studies.. + +Oh and also, we want to keep the population trusting in our products and keep our delusion that we are doing a great job to humanity!! + +Haha, g'day!",2019-07-10 10:01:31 +Comment,6,etdr0i8,,0,1562741885.0,"Hey, diirtnap, just a quick heads-up: +**alot** is actually spelled **a lot**. You can remember it by **it is one lot, 'a lot'**. +Have a nice day! + +^^^^The ^^^^parent ^^^^commenter ^^^^can ^^^^reply ^^^^with ^^^^'delete' ^^^^to ^^^^delete ^^^^this ^^^^comment.",2019-07-10 09:58:05 +Comment,-5,etdqzqj,,0,1562741870.0,"1) Autism is not ***just***... genetic, it's a behavioural diagnostic term for anything that leads to its criteria, such as brain damage, gut health, biology etc.. Or, genetic abnormalities. Or, environment. + +It's a biomedical, neuropsychiatric, and environmental disorder. + +https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190530101143.htm + +https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/study-kids-autism-have-fewer-kinds-gut-bacteria + +https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/faecal-transplant-may-help-children-autism-study-suggests/ + +https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325338.php + +https://newatlas.com/autism-gut-microbiome-gene-fecal-transplant/59931/ + +2) Various vaccine → damage links. + +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763 + +https://www.theepochtimes.com/vax-unvax-study-of-mice-implicates-hepatitis-b-vaccine-media-silent_2529678.html + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-study-of-mice-links-hepatitis-b-vaccine-to-autism/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27501128/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/two-vaccines-opposite-effects-brain/ + +https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2018/08/18/aluminum-in-the-brain-in-multiple-sclerosis-regulatory-and-funding-agencies-silent-complicit/ + +https://talks.ox.ac.uk/talks/id/b8a108e2-caba-47d5-8ee1-7a68085f2457/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868131/ + +https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/a-lone-fda-scientist-could-end-the-autism-epidemic/ + +https://www.naturalstacks.com/blogs/news/vaccines + +https://helenlobato.com/2018/12/08/aluminium-found-in-granulomas-and-lymph-nodes-of-sheep-after-vaccination-a-wake-up-call-like-no-other/ + +https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300985818809142?journalCode=vetb + +https://youtu.be/FfTo35UrFPA (yes a dreaded YouTube video, my goodness, what's next, a still image of a webpage that displays text? Oh my it's just a medium to present information for fucks sake). + +https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/high-aluminum-found-autism-brain-tissue/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/high-aluminum-content-autistic-brains/ + +3) Andrew Wakefield, who was actually never charged for falsifying data, that was Brian Deer's successful attempt at discrediting, attacking, and misrepresenting his opponent, and a claim that he spread to the masses, such that today, we have people still believing Andrew was jailed, and falsified and lied and made up data. When none of this is true. + +https://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/time-to-revisit-deers-claims-that-wakefield-fabricated-his-findings.html + + + +Extra) + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2017/minnesota-somalis-have-worlds-highest-rate-of-autism-mmr-vaccine-link/ +(ignore first image, I disagree with it, because vaccines are used in the dozens of MILLIONS whereas measles only occurred in the dozens of thousands (although we don't know for sure, since diagnosis of measles is difficult for doctors that rarely ever experienced measles prevelancy). + +Summary) + +Well, many many scientists believe vaccines aren't safe, and believe there's alot of crap going on in the realm of vaccination and in the medical community and the media community. + +You know why there aren't many scientists who are against vaccines? Well, because when they are, they get fired, and awesome now we don't have to call them scientists any more. + +If you retract all the science against vaccines, well no shit, the science is bare and not there.. + +But that's because you only let science that agrees with your BELIEFS stay on the map.",2019-07-10 09:57:50 +Comment,3,etcwupr,,0,1562723112.0,Whey would someone think it is OK to give people autism?,2019-07-10 04:45:12 +Comment,5,etcjrr0,,0,1562715165.0,VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM. There has be zero respectable peer-reviewed studies that have shown any causation relationship.,2019-07-10 02:32:45 +Comment,1,etcg8dp,,0,1562712841.0,"I do realize there are people who says that vaccines can cause autism, but still recommend vaccines. However, I think they are wrong and causing fear as they are telling people that their pediatricians are wrong about vaccines not causing autism.",2019-07-10 01:54:01 +Comment,13,etcf4zi,,0,1562712112.0,Your opinion is that it is backed by tons of real science but very few scientists agree. Can you give us some links to this real science?,2019-07-10 01:41:52 +Comment,-9,etc6rgc,,0,1562705841.0,"But that's after already deciding the claim is false. + +The claim is backed up by tons of real science, and facts. + +My main point here is that this doesn't necessarily make you an antivaxxer it just makes you a pro vaxxer that wants this to be known, fixed or proven unavoidable.",2019-07-09 23:57:21 +Comment,10,etc6jsc,,0,1562705659.0,"The claim leads to extremely damaging actions. It's a stupid claim, and the backlash is exactly how it should be",2019-07-09 23:54:19 +Comment,1,eskwruh,,0,1562103890.0,"Yes, very much lot of hahas. thank you",2019-07-03 00:44:50 +Comment,1,eskl0rx,,0,1562096371.0,Haha very funny joke. r/comedycemetery,2019-07-02 22:39:31 +Comment,1,esgwb7g,,0,1561999103.0,">We're talking about cancer which has a direct relationship with age. The greater that lifespan is the more prone we will be to cancer as we exceed previous lifespan limitations. That's just how genetics and DNA work. As you age your DNA becomes more damaged, when it becomes more damaged it will be more error prone. The more error prone the more likely cancerous mutations are to develop. Unless we can find a way of fundamentally changing our DNA and how it operates that's just the way the cookie crumbles as we age. + +Thanks for explaining what cancer is.. I I'm having a difficult time working out what points you think you made here. + +Cancer doesn't just come from ageing, you clearly have no idea what cancer is. Many children have cancer. + +>Autism was just an example to show that statistics can be misleading without given proper context i'm not going to go into whatever that nonsense of a last statement was. + +And how does this example demonstrate that it's misleading? + +Autism rates are massively correlated with vaccination rates, in different countries, where health, food, living conditions, and hygiene are the same.",2019-07-01 19:38:23 +Comment,1,esfyuxg,,0,1561967330.0,">autism has increased greatly in the past couple decades” well yeah no shit because now we understand it better and are able to identify and address it better than they could more than 40-50 years ago. + +But not only autism; encephalopathy, meningitis, brain damage, SIDS, chronic illnesses, autoimmune disorders, diabetes, and organ failures, especially in kids, have also drastically risen. + +to credit the entire growth of 50 fold to mere diagnosis and understanding is pretty shoddy + +>It is more cancer though, technically, since more people are able to live longer there’s going to be more people with cancer - which increases rate of cancer in a population. So someone can skew some statistics and say “vaccines lead to a higher percentage of people with cancer” or “vaccines lead to a higher chance of cancer” which is true, albeit an out of context statement, because people live longer = more older people with cancer = higher cancerous population = higher chance of becoming cancerous. + +I guess nothing can rise anymore, because it all just comes down to more people living.. + +so no, the number of cell phones is not rising, it's just the amount of people that can be alive to have them increase due to living longer and better with cell phones.",2019-07-01 10:48:50 +Comment,1,eseg35a,,0,1561926263.0,"Andrew Wakefield did get approval, from a parents involved.",2019-06-30 23:24:23 +Comment,0,eseffmv,,0,1561925502.0,"Wait, vaccines allow adults? + +Last time I checked, being an adult didn't require being vaccinated. + +It required being over 18. + +And most unvaccinated people will do so. + +Just like most vaccinated.",2019-06-30 23:11:42 +Comment,1,esefcvq,,0,1561925412.0,"higher chance of cancer.. not higher amount. + +🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ + +There's a difference between rate/likeliness/ratio + +And quantity.",2019-06-30 23:10:12 +Comment,1,es9q9gy,,0,1561770851.0,"Sure... + +📁 News Articles – Fully/mostly vaccinated outbreaks. May need to go to site archives to see article. + +5/30/19 All 12 vaccinated… +http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/mobile-app-news-feed/mumps-outbreak-near-university-of-florida#/ + +5/22/19 Maine measles, vaccinated. +https://www.wmtw.com/article/maines-first-case-of-measles-confirmed/27547628 + +5/20/19 Just Vaccinated. +https://www.wmur.com/article/health-officials-warn-about-measles-case-in-cheshire-county/27535355 + +5/10/19 92 infected. Mostly vaccinated. +https://www.abcfoxmontana.com/missoula/whooping-cough-outbreak-infecting-vaccinated-children-health-dept-hiring-additional/article_a89a3236-7355-11e9-a66b-cf7f8341ff6f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share + +4/18/19 14:17 infected. +https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/iu-nearly-all-mumps-patients-were-vaccinated-prompting-some-students-to-get-third-mmr-shot/1935080190 + +Over 100 infected, most vaccinated. +http://vaccineimpact.com/2019/more-evidence-of-mmr-vaccine-failure-university-mumps-outbreak-among-vaccinated-students/ + +All vaccinated… +https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/us-warship-quarantined-virus/index.html?r=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com + +Pertusis…90 total in area. All vaccinated. +https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/02/27/whooping-cough-harvard-westlake/?fbclid=IwAR3MDI-5zeaTwllsibzLvzdmmj_xezJrd7T8rlIkhGe-LSNJWyqBIX74EzQ + +https://m.chron.com/houston/article/Three-cases-of-measles-confirmed-in-Harris-County-13587566.php +3/3 were vaccinated. + +http://wivb.com/2017/10/11/14-syracuse-univ-students-diagnosed-with-mumps-were-vaccinated/ + +Quebec measles… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1884314 + +http://m.ky3.com/6-university-of-missouri…/21050392_34391724 Mumps – 6/6 were vaccinated; July 28, 2015 + +diagnowhttp://www.kwch.com/…/70-diagnosed-with-whooping-c…/34378784ith-whooping-c…/34378784 pertussis – 70/70 were vaccinated; July 27, 2015 + +http://broomenorthps.wa.edu.au/…/…/kimberley-mumps-outbreak/ Mumps – 49/49 were vaccinated; July 24, 2015 + +http://www.nbclosangeles.com/…/Del-Mar-Mom-Frustrated-Famil… Pertussis – 2/2 in family were vaccinated; January 12, 2015 + +http://www.news-gazette.com/…/23-case-c-u-mumps-outbreak-co… Mumps – 23/23 were vaccinated; June 12, 2015 + +http://www.statesmanjournal.com/…/whooping-cough-…/28172681/ Pertussis – 10/11 were vaccinated; May 29, 2015 + +http://www.eastoregonian.com/…/weaker-vaccine-blamed-for-wh… Pertussis – “vast majority” were vaccinated; April 22, 2015 + +http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/…/doc552e6ac55789d24869547… Pertussis – 6/7 were vaccinated: April 17, 2015 + +http://fox13now.com/…/19-kids-in-summit-co-diagnosed-with-…/ Pertussis – 19/19 were vaccinated; March 27, 2015 + +http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/…/doc55096b683d9f209908844… Pertussis – 3/3 were vaccinated; March 23, 2015 + +http://q13fox.com/…/man-vaccinated-against-measles-in-1970…/ Measles – 5/5 were vaccinated; March 13, 2015 + +http://dailyjournalonline.com/…/article_8c06f651-f5a7-5e51-… Pertussis – 2/2 were vaccinated; February 19, 2015 + +http://www.crowrivermedia.com/…/article_c4a7e525-e90c-5546-… Pertussis – 2/2 were vaccinated; February 11, 2015 + +http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/la…/mumps-in-nhl_b_6351358.html +Mumps in NHL players – all sick were vaccinated; December 19, 2014 + +http://www.forbes.com/…/nhl-mumps-outbreak-whats-up-with-t…/ Mumps – 14/14 were vaccinated; December 16, 2014 + +http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6342a3.htm… Flu – onboard ship 25/25 vaccinated; October 24, 2014 + +http://www.news10.net/…/toddler-contracted-whoopin…/9531047/ Pertussis – 18 month old gets pertussis from fully vaccinated healthcare worker who was sick with it; May 23, 2014 + +http://www.myfoxny.com/…/8-confirmed-mumps-cases-at-stevens… Mumps – 18/18 were vaccinated; April 18, 2014 + +http://www.reuters.com/…/us-usa-health-ohio-mumps-idUSBREA3… Mumps – 113/116 were vaccinated; April 1, 2014 + +http://news.sciencemag.org/…/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-… Measles – Measles Mary – outbreak tracked to fully vaccinated person; April 11, 2014 + +http://www.ksbw.com/…/pertussis-outbreak-at-monter…/31881324 pertussis in school – 99.5% vaccinated, all sick were vaccinated; March 19, 2015 + +http://7online.com/archive/9438450/ Mumps – 14/14 were vaccinated; February 21, 2014 + +http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article… H1N1 – woman dies, was vaccinated; February 8, 2014 + +http://www.thenewscenter.tv/…/Athens-Woman-Dies-From-H1N1-2… H1N1- woman dies, was vaccinated; January 10, 2014 + +http://www.kptv.com/…/doctors-confirm-oregon-boy-5-dies-fro… H1N1 – boy dies, was vaccinated; January 3, 2014 + +http://www.sanjuanjournal.com/news/238314341.html# Chicken pox – child got pox 11 days after vaccination; December 31, 2013 + +http://nsnbc.me/…/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-…/ Polio – oral polio causes 47,500 cases of paralysis; May 8, 2013 + +http://www.reuters.com/…/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM2012… Pertussis; vast majority vaccinated; April 3, 2012 + +http://7online.com/archive/8203711/ pertussis in schools – all sick were vaccinated; June 22, 2011 + +http://nursingcenter.com/static?pageid=1204097 Pertussis – vaccinated nurse gets pertussis and spr + +http://www.nbcnews.com/…/polio-outbreak-sparked-vaccine-e…/… polio from the polio vaccine, 69 get it; October 5, 2007 + +http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/vaccine-derived-polio-spreading-polio-free-india + +http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSN1744524120070518… Smallpox – 2 year old gets smallpox after dad is vaccinated (shedding); May 18, 2007 + +http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14993534 Chickenpox – 409/422 (97%) students were vaccinated; March 11, 2004 + +http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198703263161303 Measles – 14/14 were vaccinated, outbreak in fully immunized school; March 26, 1987 + +https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6438a7.htm + +2004-2018 Flu vaccine has had an average efficacy of less than 41% – it fails approximately 60 percent of time. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectiveness-studies.htm + +Several studies involving secondary transmission of measles among highly vaccinated populations: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/0BzZQJIuS86YFeTREeGFGaEdtclk/0BzZQJIuS86YFaEl0cVRZUlBUYk0?usp=sharing&sort=13&direction=a + +Vaccine measles transferred between siblings after MMR. +https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(89)91274-9/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR2zfAse3mPnchTFQIPuGwVGRFNkXWmUMbj0-4B0gBG_cO3iEtuLODL5QkQ +Reply",2019-06-29 04:14:11 +Comment,1,es5vhbn,,0,1561659286.0,Unfortunately I'm 14...,2019-06-27 21:14:46 +Comment,1,es4qj4v,,0,1561620051.0,What exactly do vaccines have to do with the distribution of crack?,2019-06-27 10:20:51 +Comment,2,erwgdh5,,0,1561371602.0,You’ll be fine buddy just don’t do stupid things for a selfie,2019-06-24 13:20:02 +Comment,1,eruoo45,,0,1561320113.0,"just saying that the 1 in 1000 is for encephalitis, or brain swelling, which is not deadly in all cases but leaves a whole lot of brain damage. Which is why we try to prevent measles!",2019-06-23 23:01:53 +Comment,1,eruo9cl,,0,1561319574.0,I just want to make another comment to say that professor stick and other science yt channels said that the anti-vaxx movement would end up harming ppl. and look now,2019-06-23 22:52:54 +Comment,2,eruo5q3,,0,1561319438.0,"don't fell bad, my bud. learned about this garbage about... well idk but it was before the movement was so big. im confused af about it, tbh. to summarize what it is, well, it's a bunch of Karens just saying vaccines cause autism and taking essential oils instead. +edit: the garbage is the anti-vaxx movement.",2019-06-23 22:50:38 +Comment,1,erunzi0,,0,1561319211.0,anti-vaxxer edit here:,2019-06-23 22:46:51 +Comment,1,erunvbk,,0,1561319054.0,anti-vaxxers on this thread be like:,2019-06-23 22:44:14 +Comment,1,erunpg5,,0,1561318832.0,ah shoot didnt see the ps...,2019-06-23 22:40:32 +Comment,2,erunomg,,0,1561318803.0,"how old are you? or, a more anonymous question, are you within age to vaccinate on your own? if so, please PLEASE do so. also, im vaccinated and there seems to be no issue with it, so.........",2019-06-23 22:40:03 +Comment,1,ere2wd8,,0,1560800179.0,"You can sue vaccine manufacturers. Kinda wasted your time, bud.",2019-06-17 22:36:19 +Comment,1,er7jhn0,,0,1560608190.0,"My daughter never cried for any of her shots, she shrugged them off like a real trooper.",2019-06-15 17:16:30 +Comment,1,eqv0zkt,,0,1560367843.0,Oki,2019-06-12 22:30:43 +Comment,2,equl7sy,,0,1560360316.0,I can tell you pertussis can make you wish you were dead.,2019-06-12 20:25:16 +Comment,3,eqt9zym,,0,1560335149.0,This is simply false,2019-06-12 13:25:49 +Comment,1,eqt6bcm,,0,1560332186.0,"if a booster is required, that makes herd immunity sound llike an impossible goal. With medicine now trying to get adults to get new shots like hpv and the other litany in development, how many adults are not up to date with their old childhood shots? how many adults even go to the dr once a year for a checkup? + +when the efficacy of the flu shot varies from year to year, you realize the entire population would have to get the shot 3x to ensure a >50% immunized base that many say is needed for herd immunity of the flu because it has a low Ro (assuming 25% efficacy rate which is not implausible)",2019-06-12 12:36:26 +Comment,3,eqsywd7,,0,1560326346.0,"You're going to die. But not from the vaccine. When you ignore the risk of things you have come to implicitly accept, it makes the other actionable risks you must *choose* to face seem disproportionately large. Remember the baseline risks to put new things into perspective. Human nature doesn't do this automatically.",2019-06-12 10:59:06 +Comment,1,eqsrk8s,,0,1560320754.0,But i never said anything so r/wooosh,2019-06-12 09:25:54 +Comment,2,eqspgch,,0,1560319208.0,"Thanks, all! I know its completely silly, but STILL.",2019-06-12 09:00:08 +Comment,6,eqsl5qj,,0,1560316212.0,"You are good. I get mild flu-like symptoms for a day or so after every shot, but that's just my hyperactive immune system going into overdrive because that shit works. Still worth it to not die horribly of diseases we already cured. + +Welcome to the civilized age!",2019-06-12 08:10:12 +Comment,-1,eqs8t9p,,0,1560308135.0,"If you were going to have a reaction like that from the vaccine, it would have been immediate. If you made it past 5 seconds, you're all good",2019-06-12 05:55:35 +Comment,5,eqs5slq,,0,1560306162.0,"No you're not going to die, for one thing the large majority of babies who got the pertussis vaccine survived, otherwise why is the population what it is now? Also (Im assuming your in the US) back when you were a baby they used a whole-cell pertussis vaccine, and it could cause neurological problems for some babies, but now they use an acellular vaccine that is less likely to cause problems. Also, adults are given a smaller dose than babies, so there is really nothing to worry about",2019-06-12 05:22:42 +Comment,6,eqs2oko,,0,1560304150.0,"You're not going to die. + +Not from the vaccine at least. + +Go drink some wine and celebrate the fact that you have taken a few items out of the list of things that can kill you.",2019-06-12 04:49:10 +Comment,2,eqjmj6e,,0,1560136425.0,Yeah I fell for the trap. Didn’t see the bottom line. My bad.,2019-06-10 06:13:45 +Comment,1,eqjj10p,,0,1560134503.0,"Suck your kids dick before they die, to prove they were alive you anti vaxxer thottiana hoe",2019-06-10 05:41:43 +Comment,1,eqj3fdf,,0,1560127027.0,Yeh iknow im not tryna make fun of op just commenter,2019-06-10 03:37:07 +Comment,1,eqj36iw,,0,1560126903.0,They have a vaccine for that 🤣🤣🤣,2019-06-10 03:35:03 +Comment,0,eqi6mv3,,0,1560109103.0,I cant tell if your joking but if your not i hope you step on a rusty nail,2019-06-09 22:38:23 +Comment,1,eqf1y0c,,0,1560042514.0,Adults are by far the worse side effect of any medicine.,2019-06-09 04:08:34 +Comment,-1,eqevo1z,,0,1560039294.0,False. Nothing scientific in this statement. Just opinionated nonsense 🙄,2019-06-09 03:14:54 +Comment,1,eqdb7b1,,0,1560015324.0,now im not gonna woosh you but this was a joke lol,2019-06-08 20:35:24 +Comment,1,eqd1c6n,,0,1560010798.0,Fix your grammar before you try to prove anything.,2019-06-08 19:19:58 +Comment,1,eqd15ur,,0,1560010705.0,And u expect me to believe that at the age of 7 you knew what vaccines are?,2019-06-08 19:18:25 +Comment,1,epvw387,,0,1559583376.0,"Believe it or not if you go to the vaccine injury website www.vaccineinjury.info and look up Stories of unvaccinated children with autism, it gives people's accounts of their unvaccinated kids getting autism. A lot of them have 0 vaccines.",2019-06-03 20:36:16 +Comment,1,epuoqlm,,0,1559541894.0,What the fuck,2019-06-03 09:04:54 +Comment,2,epqeifc,,0,1559433283.0,"1 I'm from Israel +2 it's not working like that in my country unless you're in a real danger your parents choose what medical treatments they're child get. I wish I could get vaccinated without my parents permission because on high school I want to be a teen paramedic and I'm scared to get hepatitis (this is blood disease) and my sister is a teen paramedic and she is not vaccinated from hepatitis but she's ok right now. Hope I'll be too.",2019-06-02 02:54:43 +Comment,2,epqczma,,0,1559432522.0,"I have 2 questions +1 what is your country? +2 WHY DID YOU NOT CONTACT THE FUCKING POLICE THIS IS CHILD NEGLECT!?",2019-06-02 02:42:02 +Comment,2,epp0ym3,,0,1559388770.0,Zero links to autism and the charts argument is debunked due to classifications issue's with ASD (autism) and making it easier to find and I'm the only one out of 23 students in my class with autism and they are all vaccinated and hey if it was not for people with autism we would not have Alternating current or Pokemon.,2019-06-01 14:32:50 +Comment,2,epkziuq,,0,1559313129.0,I would too!,2019-05-31 17:32:09 +Comment,1,epk03tg,,0,1559293287.0,You got it bud,2019-05-31 12:01:27 +Comment,1,epjzx5p,,0,1559293153.0,The earth is flat /s,2019-05-31 11:59:13 +Comment,1,epjfv9b,,0,1559282131.0,You got it bud,2019-05-31 08:55:31 +Comment,1,epj60gt,,0,1559276877.0,Jar jar binks was the best Star Wars character /s,2019-05-31 07:27:57 +Comment,1,epgumzi,,0,1559247445.0,You got it bud,2019-05-30 23:17:25 +Comment,1,epgudn1,,0,1559247347.0,Lol,2019-05-30 23:15:47 +Comment,1,epgu5fx,,0,1559247258.0,You got it bud,2019-05-30 23:14:18 +Comment,1,epe9wvh,,0,1559209021.0,Why did the chicken cross the road,2019-05-30 12:37:01 +Comment,1,epch00v,,0,1559182927.0,"I'm a bot, *bleep*, *bloop*. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit: + +- [/r/vaccinehero] [Look in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/vaccinehero/comments/bui6jt/look_in_the_comments/) + +- [/r/vaccineswork] [I almost died of vaccination](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccinesWork/comments/bugh6w/i_almost_died_of_vaccination/) + + *^(If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads.) ^\([Info](/r/TotesMessenger) ^/ ^[Contact](/message/compose?to=/r/TotesMessenger))*",2019-05-30 05:22:07 +Comment,1,epa1zny,,0,1559149155.0,amen,2019-05-29 19:59:15 +Comment,3,ep7rjsq,,0,1559114265.0,You are a true survivor. Thoughts and prayers,2019-05-29 10:17:45 +Comment,1,ep5htzu,,0,1559084954.0,You got it bud,2019-05-29 02:09:14 +Comment,2,ep1uoe0,,0,1559025320.0,"Sorry for hy bad English. +But basically, when you inject a vaccine, some cells called memory cells will be stocked in the ganglyon with a print of the antigene that a virus can wear, so if the virus come again with the antigene, your body will be able to recognize it and kill it. But those memory cells don't live forever. Some can live up to 10-15 years but that's all. That's why it's important to reinject the vaccine so memory cells can be created once again.",2019-05-28 09:35:20 +Comment,1,eoxxm07,,0,1558959219.0,The Soviet onion was a salad,2019-05-27 15:13:39 +Comment,1,eoqlnnn,,0,1558822547.0,Hell yeah brother!,2019-05-26 01:15:47 +Comment,1,eop9hih,,0,1558786888.0,"Haha yeah you tell him. We only trust a trusted doctors at the FDA to approve medications. Like the safe and totally not addictive opioids. No I'm going to go smoke healthy and safe drugs like crack cocaine and heroin and avoid dangerous and deadly drugs like marijuana just as the FDA tells me to. Wouldn't want to fawn over independent unfunded by super powerful for-profit private pharmaceutical industry researchers. I'll stick to the true blue bought and paid for pharmaceutical industry they gave us Monsanto GMO Foods and adderal for children as young as 3 years old. And like our genius of a president says if the"" TV says it it must be true""",2019-05-25 15:21:28 +Comment,1,eomxyca,,0,1558727147.0,You got it bud,2019-05-24 22:45:47 +Comment,1,eola9jr,,0,1558696597.0,You got it bud,2019-05-24 14:16:37 +Comment,1,eoizfja,,0,1558659236.0,You got it bud,2019-05-24 03:53:56 +Comment,-4,eoifp7x,,0,1558647456.0,SH*T NOT AGSIN!,2019-05-24 00:37:36 +Comment,5,eoifnjp,,0,1558647425.0,"You again, have the wrong sub. Checked your post history. Read the sidebar. This is a satire subreddit.",2019-05-24 00:37:05 +Comment,1,eohdphi,,0,1558607735.0,Rrdrdfryghuihiuhjjkmomok,2019-05-23 13:35:35 +Comment,1,eobf5oc,,0,1558469925.0,You got it bud,2019-05-21 23:18:45 +Comment,1,eoa0jte,,0,1558433400.0,Viola,2019-05-21 13:10:00 +Comment,1,eo98f8c,,0,1558413729.0,You got it bud,2019-05-21 07:42:09 +Comment,1,eo973pj,,0,1558412741.0,You are dumb,2019-05-21 07:25:41 +Comment,1,eo5tbfx,,0,1558332287.0,You got it bud,2019-05-20 09:04:47 +Comment,1,eo4wy1l,,0,1558315305.0,Lol,2019-05-20 04:21:45 +Comment,1,eo4v2nl,,0,1558314307.0,You got it bud,2019-05-20 04:05:07 +Comment,0,eo1y41z,,0,1558237878.0,What about cacti?,2019-05-19 06:51:18 +Comment,1,eo1wsc0,,0,1558237104.0,You got it bud,2019-05-19 06:38:24 +Comment,0,eo1p4n4,,0,1558232571.0,Um do you like them,2019-05-19 05:22:51 +Comment,1,enz0z9d,,0,1558168638.0,You got it bud,2019-05-18 11:37:18 +Comment,0,enyyax2,,0,1558166734.0,yeah thanks. anyways whats your opinion on cucumbers. Do you like them?,2019-05-18 11:05:34 +Comment,1,enwl2fj,,0,1558127720.0,You got it bud,2019-05-18 00:15:20 +Comment,0,enuxeja,,0,1558093341.0,"Yeah like the swing for resonance, if you push a swing too hard it loops back on itself and the person falls out sometimes, when you have too much resonance it just explodes. + +Is this right?",2019-05-17 14:42:21 +Comment,1,enrzm62,,0,1558051042.0,"There probably isn't a good macro analogy for it but I wouldn't worry about it. Analogies are just for the specific points, not every aspect on both levels",2019-05-17 02:57:22 +Comment,0,enrz3fz,,0,1558050841.0,"Yeah, a better analogy would be that you can’t taste the eggs in the cake, like how you can’t really access the atoms inside a 3D molecule without breaking bonds",2019-05-17 02:54:01 +Comment,1,enryy7f,,0,1558050786.0,"Yep, and that kind of identity doesn't make sense on a chemical level. Eggs are macro items with intermediate constituents between 'egg' and 'atom', which is not true for chemical compounds. + +So it isn't a good analogy to illustrate allergies, since atoms are haptens and cannot trigger allergic reactions individually.",2019-05-17 02:53:06 +Comment,1,enrln9m,,0,1558045847.0,Ya but a flaw in the analogy is that if you are allergic to eggs you are allergic to cake.,2019-05-17 01:30:47 +Comment,1,enrld8s,,0,1558045747.0,">Ya, like how cake is not really a form of eggs because it contains other things, however boiled eggs are(I think this is correct?) + +I'd say it's a passable analogy, sure. Point being cakes don't have the same properties as eggs and vice-versa. And also that if one is going to be asinine, one should be technically correct (not aimed at you). + +>Oh and off topic, do you play StarCraft 2? If you play Zerg, how do you defend against Terran? + +Surprisingly no. I'm a fan of sci-fi lore which is what inspired the name. Always a let down to those that comment on the name.",2019-05-17 01:29:07 +Comment,1,enpkxns,,0,1558005877.0,"Ya, like how cake is not really a form of eggs because it contains other things, however boiled eggs are(I think this is correct?) + +Just like H and H2 + +Oh and off topic, do you play StarCraft 2? If you play Zerg, how do you defend against Terran?",2019-05-16 14:24:37 +Comment,1,enozux1,,0,1557996187.0,"> Zerg just admit that if a vaccine contains thimerosal it contains mercury. +> +> + +Well of course it does. I was just correcting their terminology: compounds are not forms of elements. The socratic method just backfired on their end when they couldn't follow through. + +>However it does contain mercury, the mercury is basically locked in the compound. + +Yes. We would say that thiomerosal is a mercury-containing compound.",2019-05-16 11:43:07 +Comment,1,enoy5p8,,0,1557995537.0,"Zerg just admit that if a vaccine contains thimerosal it contains mercury. + +​ + +However it does contain mercury, the mercury is basically locked in the compound.",2019-05-16 11:32:17 +Comment,1,enoxpnn,,0,1557995365.0,because we invented vaccines?,2019-05-16 11:29:25 +Comment,1,endr66b,,0,1557815388.0,"Huh. I never actually thought about it that way. That could be part of the truth. Not all of course, but that definitely could be part of the reason why.",2019-05-14 09:29:48 +Comment,1,emzwea5,,0,1557500654.0,I like you,2019-05-10 18:04:14 +Comment,3,emzwd96,,0,1557500622.0,"In a coma +Wakes up + +Holy hell you guys seriously messed up while I was away",2019-05-10 18:03:42 +Comment,1,emyntn3,,0,1557469155.0,It’s mercury with an extra electron? What’s the big deal about that,2019-05-10 09:19:15 +Comment,1,emynoyo,,0,1557469083.0,And you somehow got stupider in just a couple responses. Compounds almost never carry the same attributes as the elements that make them. Just because it has mercury in it doesn’t mean it’s toxic,2019-05-10 09:18:03 +Comment,1,emyngls,,0,1557468951.0,Dosage makes the poison dude just because it has it doesn’t means it’s toxic,2019-05-10 09:15:51 +Comment,1,emyn9nd,,0,1557468843.0,"I'm simply suggesting that you must be a very, very smart person.",2019-05-10 09:14:03 +Comment,1,emyn2nx,,0,1557468736.0,I... what?,2019-05-10 09:12:16 +Comment,1,emxabln,,0,1557442012.0,"Well I'm certainly not going to argue! I'm glad you posted solid facts, and not opinions. Are you a medical doctor? Silly question, you must be.",2019-05-10 01:46:52 +Comment,1,emx9oyk,,0,1557441642.0,"Ok I had three points + +1. Vaccines aren’t perfect they fail to protect sometimes because they just teach your immune system your immune system is still doing all the heavy lifting + +2. Your immune system gets worse as you get older you aren’t loosing antibodies you’re just getting older + +3. Yes you people (antivaxxers ) are responsible for the measles outbreak",2019-05-10 01:40:42 +Comment,1,emx95lm,,0,1557441320.0,"What you said here didn't really make much sense. if you can rephrase in a more lucid manner, it would be much appreciated.",2019-05-10 01:35:20 +Comment,1,emx8x7u,,0,1557441183.0,Vaccines aren’t a 100% protection against disease and as you age your immune system gets worse. It’s not the vaccines and yes people like you are entirely the source of the measles outbreak,2019-05-10 01:33:03 +Comment,1,emvp8kg,,0,1557391336.0,Then I see no problem with it.,2019-05-09 11:42:16 +Comment,3,emumob6,,0,1557367380.0,"Immunology is a complicated science. Assumptions are that a vaccination is life long protection. Viruses and bacteria mutate over time. Some faster than others. Measles virus hasn't changed much over time, where as the flu changes yearly. Also, now this is a speculation, that to not have to maintain antibodies for everything we come in contact with, the body makes room to be able to learn new ones. This may be an adaptation to free up resources for survival. Also adaptations aren't perfect and what we think the way life should adapt is just our misconception that life is all about us.",2019-05-09 05:03:00 +Comment,1,emufrjx,,0,1557363578.0,"It is a good idea to be carful about any medical treatment, but I will say if you are in or near an area with a measles outbreak get the MMR, the virus can float around in the are where a child has been, infected people are contagious before they show symptoms, and adult measles is way worse than adult chickenpox.",2019-05-09 03:59:38 +Comment,4,emue7dz,,0,1557362754.0,"Thanks for the reply. I'm trying to do a little research before I have more live viruses injected into my body. +If the statistic you state is a generally agreed-upon one, then I met hold off a while for both. I am fairly terrified of adult chicken pox though. But as far as that and measles I'm not normally near any children, especially sick ones, so...",2019-05-09 03:45:54 +Comment,4,emucz5h,,0,1557362095.0,"This is an interesting idea, and running out of antibodies *is* the reason mumps and maybe pertussis are coming back, but measles is mostly infecting unvaccinated kids",2019-05-09 03:34:55 +Comment,1,emryoht,,0,1557294663.0,I never said it was bad. I said it's a myth that there's no mercury in vaccines.,2019-05-08 08:51:03 +Comment,1,emp5q0n,,0,1557221108.0,"Yes, of course it does. Let’s remember, however: + +Table salt is composed of sodium and chlorine (NaCl). Mixing sodium with water has, simply put, bad effects. Combining it with chlorine makes the compound safe. + +You can think of this situation when you think of mercury. The mercury in thimerosal is *ethyl mercury* - it gets flushed out of the body. It’s brother, methyl mercury? Not the same. + +In short, thimerosal is an anti fungal agent that preserves vials of vaccine. It also has mercury in it. That does not make it bad.",2019-05-07 12:25:08 +Comment,2,emhnx02,,0,1557011550.0,You literally followed this exact protocol. You asked why don’t we expose our kids to disease anymore to get immunity. Several people responded me being on of them. You went to the top comment and tried arguing that because that vaccine damage compensation is a thing so therefore vaccines must be bad. Another person came in with the metaphor that just because car insurance exists doesn’t mean that cars are made to deliberately crash. You said it was moronic and tried to stop responding I came in and this all happened. Sounds extremely similar to what’s up in that list. Also I didn’t say what you were saying had double meanings I said your actions and arguments are contradictory. You said you’re pro vaxx but you’re arguing and hiding like and antivaxxer who had been beat if we you guys were arguing the same point wouldn’t you just take the info they gave you and leave.,2019-05-05 02:12:30 +Comment,1,emgozgc,,0,1556971667.0,Yes I’m repeating it because your statements and actions are contradictory. Clearly you can’t read otherwise you would realize that,2019-05-04 15:07:47 +Comment,1,emgmr4q,,0,1556969430.0,You’re here for answers yet when someone brings you an answer for why no one just exposes their kids to diseases anymore you try to argue with their explanation and you kept talking about how “they don’t hurt us directly” what else could you be talking about. Don’t try to backtrack and claim you’re pro vaxx when you very clearly aren’t,2019-05-04 14:30:30 +Comment,2,emgkgsh,,0,1556967296.0,"Yeah money does run the world otherwise what motivation do we have to go to school, to work, etc. You have a very abstract and childish view of the world that you need to grow up from. The crap you spout sounds like something put of r/im14andthisisdeep and you know what it’s not surprising you think you know better than the rest of us since that’s were anti vaccine culture comes from. It stems from that little part of your mind that makes you feel entitled and makes you narcissistic. Subconsciously you realize there is nothing special about you so you have to find some bullshit to latch onto to make you feel like you have access to something others don’t, heres the sad truth you’re not special. By your definition i guess what you’re saying isn’t anti vaxx propaganda since you’re following a script, it’s the same shit with all of you antivaxxers I can list the steps + +1. Spout some nonsense about vaccines causing autism or ask a rhetorical question you don’t actually want an answer to + +2. Wait for people to respond + +3. Respond to those responses with a closed mind and your ideals already set in stone + +4. Ignore all of evidence of you being wrong because that would damage your ego and make you feel like you’re not special + +Rinse repeat + +We aren’t brainwashed we’re smart, you are a lunatic who says he’s pro vaxx but is actually just a bullcrap spouting broken record",2019-05-04 13:54:56 +Comment,1,emgiffn,,0,1556965483.0,What the hell does that have to do with my response my other comment? It that supposed to be some lazy attempt at an ad hominem insult? And you day you’re pro vaxx but you’re preaching anti vaxx propaganda,2019-05-04 13:24:43 +Comment,1,emggh3q,,0,1556963807.0,"We aren’t paid we’re just tired of your bullshit rantings. This use to be a place were we could make fun of you people, now people like me have to try and get you off here. You’re obviously not welcome, leave. Also you sound like a total choosy beggar “if vaccines were so good it would be for free” so food and housing are actually harmful since they cost money. Vaccines are good but supplies and research are needed for new and better vaccines and those cost money dumbass. And guess what in third world country people can’t afford vaccines, have you ever heard of unicef? Yeah they help give free vaccines to these people fucking moron.",2019-05-04 12:56:47 +Comment,1,emg3krg,,0,1556952907.0,It’s actually a pretty good metaphor you’re just burying your head in the sand,2019-05-04 09:55:07 +Comment,1,emfv22z,,0,1556946538.0,"Oh my! 😳... This is what I call, succulent and intense! Thanks so far you all!",2019-05-04 08:08:58 +Comment,2,emfqb8s,,0,1556943265.0,"> No exaggeration. Thirteen hundred, mostly children. Permanently injured with narcolepsy/cataplexy following vaccination. +> +> + +Yes this is true. + +>I'm conceding nothing. + +Your actions say otherwise. You had nothing of substance to appeal to. Your baseless and conflicting hypotheses were exposed as flimsy ad hoc rationalizations. You once again showed you have no depth of understanding the topic at hand. + +>I'm just getting bored with your constant bullshit and I have other things to do today. + +Womp womp. Rest and get back to the usual lying hustle. Then we can beat that spirit out of you all over again in similarly embarrassing fashion.",2019-05-04 07:14:25 +Comment,3,emfn0gv,,0,1556941112.0,As a passerby it definitely looks like you conceded the point by shifting to another argument since you knew you couldnt win the last one.,2019-05-04 06:38:32 +Comment,0,emfffzz,,0,1556936160.0,"No exaggeration. Thirteen hundred, mostly children. Permanently injured with narcolepsy/cataplexy following vaccination. + +""And, wow, you seem to have totally given up and conceded the point with ASD. See you next time."" + +I'm conceding nothing. + +I'm just getting bored with your constant bullshit and I have other things to do today.",2019-05-04 05:16:00 +Comment,5,emfcrco,,0,1556934349.0,"You can't work with it--it's garbage. It's also inconsistent with your racial bias in ASD diagnosis you just pulled out of your ass earlier in the thread, but that has yet to slow you down in fawning over Mawson and goons.",2019-05-04 04:45:49 +Comment,3,emfcc69,,0,1556934066.0,"> Nope. There was a tiny subset in China in which there appeared to be some correlation between the virus and narcolepsy. +> +> + +Yes, Taiwan and China. Both prior to vaccine campaigns and after unadjuvanted vaccination, respectively. And by ""handful"" exactly how many cases are you suggesting happened in Europe following Pandemrix vaccination compared with China/Taiwan? You keep using spin despite your apparent disdain for it. + +>No cases in Europe like that. They were all associated with the vaccine, not the virus. + +Only Pandemrix, and there is no current hypothesis in which the vaccine was a risk factor *outside of* viral antigen (not specific to the vaccine) or other concurrent environmental factors (e.g. H1N1 infection, GAS). + +>About 1300 cases. All vaccine, no virus. + +That's not even remotely true. You're literally just bullshitting: + +>> [A biologic mechanism](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30122647) to explain this observation has not been established, but it has been postulated that an interaction involving the immune responses to administration of Pandemrix-AS03 and infection with wild-type pH1N1 virus could be a contributing factor [20]. This would explain the apparent presence of an association in Finland, Sweden and Norway where wildtype virus circulated coincident with the vaccination program, whereas no association was seen in Ontario where wild-type virus was no longer circulating at the time of the vaccination program. + +You also are greatly exaggerating the numbers of those with NT1 narcolepsy relative to the overall risk. It really isn't known exactly how and why some people who received Pandemrix even with the associated HLA did or did not develop narcolepsy. Over 11 million doses have been distributed total. + +>Funny how genetics works, isn't it. + +You really wouldn't know. But, yes. + +And, wow, you seem to have totally given up and conceded the point with ASD. See you next time.",2019-05-04 04:41:06 +Comment,1,emf98hc,,0,1556931967.0," ""To repeat: **circulating H1N1 virus was correlated with increased narcolepys/cataplexy rates prior to vaccine campaigns in several countries**."" + +Nope. There was a tiny subset in China in which there appeared to be some correlation between the virus and narcolepsy. + +No cases in Europe like that. They were all associated with the vaccine, not the virus. + +About 1300 cases. All vaccine, no virus. + + +Funny how genetics works, isn't it.",2019-05-04 04:06:07 +Comment,3,emf7fqr,,0,1556930756.0,">No more AS03 being used in Europe right now, though, is there? + +Well, duh, it's an experimental adjuvant that isn't used in any vaccine excepting emergent circumstances and clinical trials. It's also not used in the US, either, because there isn't a need for it. It's just used for pandemic vaccines in emergent circumstances. + +>You can spin it how you want. An interplay of vaccine and genetics really screwed these people. + +There's no spin, just fact. But since you live and breathe off spin and lies, I'm not surprised you recognize a different consistency here. You've gone waaay off the beaten path because you don't know shit about immunology, ASD pathogenesis, or infectious disease. So you found that one discontinued vaccine increased the risk of narcolepsy/cataplexy in a subset of genetically disposed individuals and you're trying to run hard with it. + +It has nothing to do with childhood vaccines, nothing to do with ASD, and likely nothing to do with AS03. That there was an association with the vaccine is incidental and due to the fact that it was, apparently, able to recapitulate the natural tendency of some circulating pandemic 2009 H1N1 strains to increase rates of narcolepsy/cataplexy. To repeat: **circulating H1N1 virus was correlated with increased narcolepys/cataplexy rates prior to vaccine campaigns in several countries**. + +Cryptic antigen mimicry which is the presumed mechanism of action is likely at play in several diseases. If we can determine the B or T cell epitopes with cross reactivity these can be removed from the vaccine. As it currently stands, these epitopes were never determined. Nevertheless, you will still run to such edge cases with relatively small impacts on small incidence rates because this is how you behave when you've been cornered. You repeat this pattern over and over, much to the amusement of onlookers. + +>Maybe you should go back to playing with next year's flu vax formulation. + +I don't make flu vaccines or any vaccine. + +>You know, make it really work this time. + +It's working this time and worked last time. But your scientific literacy or even critical thinking has never been impressive in the past, so, eh. + +At some point you'd expect you to go deaf with that loud bottom-of-the-barrel scrabbling. Better luck next time.",2019-05-04 03:45:56 +Comment,1,emewag6,,0,1556923601.0,"Lol. + +No more AS03 being used in Europe right now, though, is there? + +You can spin it how you want. An interplay of vaccine and genetics really screwed these people. + +Maybe you should go back to playing with next year's flu vax formulation. You know, make it really *work* this time.",2019-05-04 01:46:41 +Comment,5,emeuiyr,,0,1556922489.0,">Yawn. + +In your sleep deprivation it seems you completely forgot your operating hypothesis: differences in ethnicity ultimately lead to a differential ASD diagnostic outcome. + +Congratulations! We have [data](https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/addm-community-report/differences-in-children.html) on that. It doesn't support your hypothesis--that non-white ethnicities have higher ASD diagnosis. So we keep piling up the implausibility. You have to now plausibly explain why higher antibody titers or other unknown immune response factors to a vaccine lead to differential ASD diagnosis among races. And *then* you have to explain why in *your* link there is no difference among genders--which is a hallmark for differential ASD diagnosis. Oops, guess ya didn't read that after all. + +So, yes, I'm curious: how would race, but not gender, impact ASD development according to the above link when this 1) doesn't fit epi data on ASD diagnosis among ethnicities; 2) doesn't fit gender epi data on ASD diagnosis? But we know the answer: you haven't thought about it and you don't care. You just bring up some random hair-brained idea to deal with your cognitive dissonance. The pattern has borne itself out twice in this thread alone. + +>I'm ""caucasian"". I've also found out I have fairly recent genetic ties to subsaharan Africa. + +Excellent--so this would *not* be a problem with the Danish study, as genetic factors can be cryptic and not adequately accounted for by simple race-binning. High five! + +>That was a pretty big fuckup too, wasn't it? One in five europeans carrying a dormant gene for narcolepsy that the vaccine adjuvant just happened to trigger? + +Uh oh, sounds like you don't know much about AS03, MF59, or the Pandemrix situation and that this is just a random distraction from the actual conversation you've so thoroughly lost. No worries--I'm used to having to fill you in on everything. + +The Pandemrix association with narcolepsy appears to be a cryptic antigen site, not related to any of the adjuvants used in the pandemic vaccines. Read the [multi-country](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6404226/) assessment which looked at several AS03 and one MF59 vaccine, as well as the safety assessment of [AS03](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19305225?via%3Dihub). + +Also, you don't seem to understand how genes work. The vaccine didn't trigger a ""dormant gene"". The virus, which the vaccine recapitulated specific antigenic sites, can apparently trigger autoimmune reaction in a small subset of people among a specific HLA type. I recommend hitting up wikipedia on [genes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene) so you can get that under your belt. + +You're lucky I grade on a curve, bucko. See, OP? He don't know anything. Recognize the signs and you can spot 'em a mile away, as well as the usual tactics that fall flat.",2019-05-04 01:28:09 +Comment,-2,emeq9m2,,0,1556919551.0,"Yawn. + +https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-discovers-african-americans-respond-better-to-rubella-vaccine/ + +I'm ""caucasian"". I've also found out I have fairly recent genetic ties to subsaharan Africa. + +No, we can't draw ANY conclusions about the genetic history of anyone getting vaccines. Obviously. + +We don't understand shit about the role of genetics in immunity right now. Another example? Pandemrix and narcolepsy. + +That was a pretty big fuckup too, wasn't it? One in five europeans carrying a dormant gene for narcolepsy that the vaccine adjuvant just happened to trigger? + +That one was pretty bad.",2019-05-04 00:39:11 +Comment,8,emepp6w,,0,1556919182.0,"They're referencing the same ""study"" which is an **online poll** about the first decade or so of your child's life from memory. It also recruited anti-vaxxers preferentially, so the sample is non-random. + +But if Doodle Polls count as a scientific paper, then the second one is spot on. + +And careful! They're all white except 21 participants, even though apparently /u/toxicchildren is actually very concerned about the breakdown of race. Guess we can conclude, ahem: + +>>We can draw NO universal conclusions from this study.",2019-05-04 00:33:02 +Comment,2,emepie4,,0,1556919049.0,">Also the study not broke out by race + +No reason to. + +>now that we know that those of African descent respond differently to vaccination than caucasians (at least to the MMR) + +That's a hilarious assertion. + +>So we have a study comprised of children all most likely of a single ethnic/racial background (white and northern European) with no racial/ethnic diversity considered whatsoever. + +The diversity is representative of the Danish population. So you concede there is no cause for concern among the Danish population. Excellent. Now we just need to walk you from this bizarre racial angle. + +If you think race is a better predictor of autism risk factors than sex, smoking during pregnancy, family history of ASD diagnosis, head circumference at birth, weight at birth, method of birth delivery, and, vaccination status...then yous an idiot. + +But you don't *really* think that, it's just the convenient way you try to remedy your cognitive dissonance. We get it. + +>We can draw NO universal conclusions from this study. + +Not even your own logic supports this ridiculous claim. In the most conservative interpretation, even if we assume your hypothesis about race to have *some* merit, we can now rule out all medical, non-race, factors from influencing ASD development in association with vaccines. And by extension based on the Danish population we can confidently declare that anyone of caucasion descent also has no differential response, either. + +So good job, pal. You convinced nobody but yourself--again.",2019-05-04 00:30:49 +Comment,-1,emep7p4,,0,1556918843.0,It's what we have to work with right now.,2019-05-04 00:27:23 +Comment,0,emenku5,,0,1556917755.0,"Also the study not broke out by race - now that we know that those of African descent respond differently to vaccination than caucasians (at least to the MMR). So we have a study comprised of children all most likely of a single ethnic/racial background (white and northern European) with no racial/ethnic diversity considered whatsoever. + +We can draw NO universal conclusions from this study.",2019-05-04 00:09:15 +Comment,5,emenb98,,0,1556917572.0,"1st one is a questionable source. Seems slanted toward autism in general. 2nd one doesn't actually mention autism, that I could tell. I saw other ailments, but not autism. I also question the research methods, as it includes a sample that is very specifically white, homeschooled, Christian families and by survey (which doesn't have to be answered truthfully, and statistically aren't). These sources aren't much help to OP in either direction.",2019-05-04 00:06:12 +Comment,6,ememuo3,,0,1556917233.0,">sure. That being the reason that they weren't vaccinated in the first place - a family history of ASD and most likely some symptoms of their own; hence the reason they were unvaxxed to begin with. + +If you read the study you'd see this was tracked. But ya didn't because your conclusion doesn't rely on data. + +>Nice try, though. + +Man you're just so smart + +See OP? He's a real winner.",2019-05-04 00:00:33 +Comment,-5,ememqkz,,0,1556917151.0,"Lol. + +sure. That being the reason that they weren't vaccinated in the first place - a family history of ASD and most likely some symptoms of their own; hence the reason they were unvaxxed to begin with - a fear of exacerbating autism symptoms (cost not being an issue - vaccination being at no cost to consumers there). + +Nice try, though.",2019-05-03 23:59:11 +Comment,1,emem9nq,,0,1556916833.0,Observational studies would be suitable for this.,2019-05-03 23:53:53 +Comment,4,emelzuz,,0,1556916653.0,"OP, don't listen to this person. They don't know really anything about what they speak. + +Their username says it all...",2019-05-03 23:50:53 +Comment,3,emelwb2,,0,1556916590.0,"Sure. [Just published recently.](https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study) Danish cohort study found no association with autism and MMR (and other) vaccines. This was compared to unvaccinated children. Of note is the observation that the unvaccinated children had higher rates of ASD than their vaccinated counterparts. + +Good news for you and your wife!",2019-05-03 23:49:50 +Comment,0,emej8bn,,0,1556914685.0,"https://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/stunner-in-first-ever-vaxunvax-study-vaxxed-kids-have-47-fold-higher-risk-of-autism.html + +Here it is. + +https://antivakcina.org/files/MawsonStudyHealthOutcomes5.8.2017.pdf + +It's not exactly good news for the pro-vax crowd. + +You won't really find much else in the way of a comparison; *ahem - ""ethical issues"" in studying vaxxed vs. unvaxxed*, as cited by the other commenter.",2019-05-03 23:18:05 +Comment,1,emdw95s,,0,1556889850.0,"I don't know that such a study has been done, the IRB would say it is unethical to not give vaccines to the unvaxxed group",2019-05-03 16:24:10 +Comment,1,emc6977,,0,1556850181.0,"Just because damages from NATURAL ALLERGIES of vaccines have a compensation program, doesn't mean damages are deliberate. Why would they compensate something they are supposedly covering up if they even were covering it up?",2019-05-03 05:23:01 +Comment,2,em9hyb7,,0,1556776739.0,"Car insurance compensates for damages to your vehicle and health insurance compensates for injuries to you, so does this mean that car and health insurance companies are actively trying to cause car crashes?",2019-05-02 08:58:59 +Comment,1,em863xd,,0,1556749676.0,"Well if you have auto immune problems sadly live vaccines can cause some issues. + +I had to have the chicken pox vaccine last year (two doses). Because I was starting immunosuppressants. I knew the trade off could be a relapse or two. +First round want too bad just a week of drop foot. But the second round caused both legs to have drop foot. Now it's permanent. +The relapses are caused by the stress the vaccines/attenuated virus causes on the body. Relapses get triggered from stressful events anyways so it makes absolute sense that a vaccine would also do this. + +Now I've been on immunosuppressants I have to watch out with each live vaccine, most are an absolute no go. Although they still don't know entirely which vaccines on a whole will cause an issue. +However it's still safer to have the vaccines in majority of cases. But it's a trade off we have to accept before doing so.",2019-05-02 01:27:56 +Comment,1,em6o06f,,0,1556698830.0,Your right.,2019-05-01 11:20:30 +Comment,3,em6ny2l,,0,1556698790.0,"Does what, a fraudulent study? I would say only a selfish criminal does that",2019-05-01 11:19:50 +Comment,2,em6mei8,,0,1556697785.0,"Oh. Thanks for letting me know. I forgot about that part. Still though, what k8nd of person does that!?",2019-05-01 11:03:05 +Comment,1,em6mbmq,,0,1556697732.0,">This greatly upsets me. + +My comment? or the OP? + +I agree with much of what you say, but I will say that the fraud you refer to was in 1998, but the idea of vaccines causing autism started in the 1980s",2019-05-01 11:02:12 +Comment,1,em6jy48,,0,1556696146.0,"This greatly upsets me. I am autistic. But as you can tell by how I am writing this, you can tell that it does not affect me. It merely affects how I process things. You see, vaccines help greatly and they actually help you prevent death(not 100% but more than those who are unvaccinated) . They have rid the world of polio and other uncommon or no longer existing diseases. There is also actual scientific evidence that vaccines work. And the ""vaccines cause autism"" thing? Yeah, caused by a doctor who paid kids at his sons birthday party to give blood, manipulated data, and sold the false findings for money. Correct me if im wrong, but sme like you are pro vaccine. I agree with you. I'm also pro vaccine.",2019-05-01 10:35:46 +Comment,3,em1wacz,,0,1556568463.0,Sounds like you were vaccinated /s,2019-04-29 23:07:43 +Comment,3,em10d34,,0,1556533156.0,Probably shouldn't have made a thread without doing so,2019-04-29 13:19:16 +Comment,0,em0zvg6,,0,1556532704.0,Pretty hard when you are on mobile.,2019-04-29 13:11:44 +Comment,3,em0uq7p,,0,1556528196.0,I had a small stroke reading the first comments,2019-04-29 11:56:36 +Comment,6,em0uhwh,,0,1556528008.0,How hard is it to read a sidebar?,2019-04-29 11:53:28 +Comment,-5,em0ilw6,,0,1556518633.0,The food that would be ingested by the children that are in early graves,2019-04-29 09:17:13 +Comment,1,em0gey9,,0,1556517129.0,"Antivaxers still want their kids to live healthily, but they are misinformed about vaccines, it's not a bout not wanting the child to live. + +>Well,survival of the god damn fittest, when my kid is eating the food your kid could've eaten if they were in a family that relies on facts and evidence instead of phony ""studies"", I'll be laughing my ass off. + +Food? what are you on about here?",2019-04-29 08:52:09 +Comment,1,eltndn4,,0,1556306828.0,"I believe the issue was they didn't get ethical approval to do spinal taps on the kids. But you don't need approval if you clinically treat the patients after the study. And Walker-Smith treated them for years after, so no wrongdoing.",2019-04-26 22:27:08 +Comment,1,elt8ykr,,0,1556287109.0,"> In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. + +This is called the *Post hoc ergo propter hoc* (Latin for *after this, therefore because of this*) fallacy. Just because the two things happened in order doesn't mean that one caused the other. For example, most pregnancies happen in people who have previously watched television. Does this mean that watching television gets you pregnant? Of course not.",2019-04-26 16:58:29 +Comment,1,elsceer,,0,1556262783.0,Awesome.,2019-04-26 10:13:03 +Comment,1,els4pmg,,0,1556257721.0,With a quack quack here and a quack quack there...,2019-04-26 08:48:41 +Comment,1,els4eq9,,0,1556257521.0,Citation please. Has there never been an adverse reaction of any kind? Why should the brain be my only concern?,2019-04-26 08:45:21 +Comment,1,els3cbn,,0,1556256814.0,"> You haven't addressed anything I've said + +Your link does. Anyone can read and see that. + +...Can you? + +>your talking in circles + +Because you've made no progress in digesting your own resource. + +>like so many of the brainwashed antiscience crowd are only interested in protecting your religion of vaccine safety and efficacy. + +Uh huh. Your link disagrees.",2019-04-26 08:33:34 +Comment,2,elrv9ua,,0,1556251870.0,"Lol. My comprehension is comprehensive. +You are just looking to post things so if someone comes by and ponders what I've said they can scroll down see what you say and go oh it's BS and move on. +You haven't addressed anything I've said your talking in circles because you like so many of the brainwashed antiscience crowd are only interested in protecting your religion of vaccine safety and efficacy.",2019-04-26 07:11:10 +Comment,1,elrud7d,,0,1556251324.0,"If you have trouble finding it, that's one thing. If you have trouble reading anything, that's another thing. + +But you're not even trying, so why would I? Clever quips work better when they aren't foiled by basic reading comprehension and, well, your own links.",2019-04-26 07:02:04 +Comment,0,elrtjl5,,0,1556250830.0,Is there music playing where you are because you dance so well.,2019-04-26 06:53:50 +Comment,1,elrrt5l,,0,1556249739.0,"How long does it take ethyl mercury to metabolize? +What happens to the brain with long term exposure? These are the questions you should be asking. +The answers to the questions to summarize the half-life is 7 days for ethyl. Longer for methyl. + +Not high enough dose and not in your system long enough to cause any damage. Regardless of the way it enters your body.",2019-04-26 06:35:39 +Comment,1,elrqfk3,,0,1556248894.0,"> Why is it sounding like I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel? + +You keep bouncing around erratically from point to point, never fully developing them and leaving them untouched after minor pushback. + +>Look at the actual study. The conclusion just asks for more study. Why does that upset anyone? + +...did you read your summary yet? It answers this question. + +>Why did it first get published and then take so long to be retracted? + +...did you read your summary yet? It answers this question. + +>Why is the statement of retraction basically the same as the study conclusion? + +It isn't. You didn't read the paper or your own link. + +>You didn't answer these main questions. + +...did you read your summary yet? It answers this, so why should I?",2019-04-26 06:21:34 +Comment,1,elrph9m,,0,1556248302.0,"Why is it sounding like I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel? +Look at the actual study. The conclusion just asks for more study. Why does that upset anyone? + +Why did it first get published and then take so long to be retracted? + +Why is the statement of retraction basically the same as the study conclusion? + +You didn't answer these main questions.",2019-04-26 06:11:42 +Comment,1,elroxqn,,0,1556247963.0,"Is that what the study said? Did you read the study? +Did you actually read the conclusion? +The conclusion is saying the same thing as the supposed retractions. +That is a fact.",2019-04-26 06:06:03 +Comment,1,elro7rb,,0,1556247529.0,">So on the one hand you say a paper is needed + +Yes. + +>on the other you say read a commentary for explanation + +For *the papers*. Now go back and read the summary you brought up to answer the questions you've disingenuously posed. + +All of this is really sounding like you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.",2019-04-26 05:58:49 +Comment,1,elrnw1f,,0,1556247338.0,"I'm sorry, did you not know that Wakefield discredited the MMR vaccine because he wanted to promote his own measles vaccine?",2019-04-26 05:55:38 +Comment,2,elrnoid,,0,1556247215.0,"Oh. Another one yah! +Money is not a logical motivator.. Interesting perspective.",2019-04-26 05:53:35 +Comment,1,elrnkt8,,0,1556247156.0,"So on the one hand you say a paper is needed, on the other you say read a commentary for explanation.",2019-04-26 05:52:36 +Comment,1,elrmhx8,,0,1556246502.0,I l l o g i c a l,2019-04-26 05:41:42 +Comment,2,elrlyvd,,0,1556246177.0,See [here](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mercurate). Or alternatively IUPAC nomenclature rules if you're feeling frisky.,2019-04-26 05:36:17 +Comment,1,elrl1ur,,0,1556245621.0,"Is brain damage the only concern? Precisely what are the chances of brain damage from mercury/a cardiac event from sodium chloride? If you know it's the same, you should know the respective odds too right?",2019-04-26 05:27:01 +Comment,1,elrki11,,0,1556245289.0,"Could you explain ""mercurate(1-)""?",2019-04-26 05:21:29 +Comment,1,elrjamk,,0,1556244540.0,"Yes, quite obvious indeed. + +>Vaccine industry is using the same tactics - My point + +Then link a paper about the known tactics of Big Vaccine instead of Big Tobacco. + +>There was nothing wrong with Wakefield stud + +Then you didn't read your own link.",2019-04-26 05:09:00 +Comment,3,elris5z,,0,1556244222.0,"It is obvious. Vaccine industry is using the same tactics - My point. +There was nothing wrong with Wakefield study at least nothing out of the norm especially when compared with the ludicrous vaccine safety studies. +But hey the Danish paper right! +It is all ridiculous.",2019-04-26 05:03:42 +Comment,2,elreleu,,0,1556241657.0,"I'll let you do all the talking as to what your original argument is. + +But your tobacco paper is a non-sequitur and you've provided no tie-in to vaccines. Now if you want to go through the trouble of tying red yarn between ""Big Tobacco lied about tobacco science"" and ""Wakefield is a disgraced quack"", be my guest. You won't have data to do so, though, which is my point.",2019-04-26 04:20:57 +Comment,1,elref7e,,0,1556241554.0,"You asked why it was retracted. The article explains it. You making a coy rhetorical but opening yourself to easy jabs is, well, your own fault. + +If you want to point out the ""hypocracy"", then go ahead and do it. But saying ""m o n e y"" is only going to invite me to chide you with my favorite canned vegetable.",2019-04-26 04:19:14 +Comment,1,elre25o,,0,1556241330.0,So are you saying that the manipulation of science is not my original argument?,2019-04-26 04:15:30 +Comment,1,elrdxlt,,0,1556241249.0,Oh I see. You assume I didn't read it and wasn't pointing out the hypocracy of what is reported.,2019-04-26 04:14:09 +Comment,1,elrahb4,,0,1556239083.0,"The chemical pathway forEthel-mercury shows no damage to the brain. Ethel mercury has the same likelihood of causing Brain damage (regardless of age) as sodium chloride causing a cardiac event, as in the case of sodium Pentothal. I’ll",2019-04-26 03:38:03 +Comment,3,elr5za8,,0,1556236357.0,"Yawn. Look up ""non-sequitur""",2019-04-26 02:52:37 +Comment,1,elr5o4d,,0,1556236170.0,Just read your own resource. Take my tips to heart.,2019-04-26 02:49:30 +Comment,1,elr4eni,,0,1556235394.0,https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/,2019-04-26 02:36:34 +Comment,1,elr35vy,,0,1556234618.0,So it was retracted for cream corn?,2019-04-26 02:23:38 +Comment,3,elqz3rh,,0,1556232080.0,C r e a m e d C o r n,2019-04-26 01:41:20 +Comment,2,elqz2wa,,0,1556232064.0,"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal + +Ethyl(2-mercaptobenzoato-(2-)-O,S) mercurate(1-) sodium, minus the sodium in water.",2019-04-26 01:41:04 +Comment,0,elqybv1,,0,1556231598.0,Excellent. Why?,2019-04-26 01:33:18 +Comment,-1,elqy6em,,0,1556231505.0,M o n e y,2019-04-26 01:31:45 +Comment,1,elqwqiv,,0,1556230601.0,What is thimerosal made of?,2019-04-26 01:16:41 +Comment,2,elqnxtl,,0,1556224485.0,Compounds aren't forms of elements. That's literally chem 101.,2019-04-25 23:34:45 +Comment,5,elqkd1n,,0,1556221321.0,"Your link addresses why it was retracted. If you are still confused, go back and sound out the words in succession, maybe multiple times.",2019-04-25 22:42:01 +Comment,1,elqca9z,,0,1556211333.0,"And Wakefield's colleague, John Walker-Smith, had his license reinstated.",2019-04-25 19:55:33 +Comment,1,elnv8rx,,0,1556147882.0,"> recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine EXPERIENCE RASH AND FEVER which may be INDISTINGUISHABLE from measles + +The rash and fever are not the total of the measles pathology. Literally the entire point of the paper you cite is to distinguish in a rapid way wild type pathogenic measles from reactions to MMR. It is literally the justification for their assay, funding, and paper that MMR does not and cannot cause wild-type measles pathology. *Some* aspects make the distinction difficult. Try as you might, they are not equivalent and your source makes that clear. + +>Clinically indistinguishable means that when OBSERVING the patient, the PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS (rash & fever) can look the same in BOTH wild strain and vaccine strain measles. + +Yes the FEVER and the RASH can BOTH be SIMILAR in wild type MEASLES or a REACTION to the MEASLES component of the MMR VACCINE. NOWHERE do the AUTHORS suggest THAT wild-type measles IS clinically identical IN consequence TO the measles VACCINE component. + +>True. They differ on a genetic level. But they share the common physical symptoms of rash & fever. + +And they also don't share other pathologies, hence the distinction being important from a public heath standpoint. You keep ignoring this. + +>You taught me that the pathogenic strain can cause further complications like SSPE. According to the CDC, severe complications are rare. Pneumonia is said to be 1 in 20. + +Death is about 1-2 per 1000 for wild-type measles, as well as immune repertoire depletion, deafness, pneumonia you mention, encephahlitis you mention. This doesn't happen with the vaccine component. + +>The studies show 40-50% of kids got upper respiratory infections and gastro-intestinal disorders after the MMR vaccine. + +Link it if you want me to consider it in our discussion. + +>That's a harsh trade-off for a virus that causes rash & fever in the common person + +And would kill thousands annually unnecessarily, along with the sequelae we've mentioned previously. But, sure, let's equate increased risk of a cold with measles pathology. + +>and then gives you lifelong immunity. + +You can get lifelong immunity *and* avoid the disease with vaccines. Immunity isn't the goal--avoiding the disease and its ramifications is. + +>Unless you're immunocompromised, no reason to be scared of wild measles. + +We've literally mentioned excellent reasons, such as the unnecessary deaths of thousands and other bad sequelae. All of which has disappeared from the US due to vaccination. + +>Your argument is that these vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had the EXACT SAME PHYSICAL REACTION as the people that DID catch the measles at the SAME TIME & LOCATION of a measles outbreak? + +That's not my argument--that's what your study says. They didn't have the exact same physical reaction, they had a fever and rash. They were not shedding measles virus, they were potentially shedding attenuated measles vaccine virus. They were not having a risk of pneumonia, encephalitis, or death. They were having an uncommon reaction to the vaccine strain. + +>Maybe entertain the possibility of primary & secondary vaccine failure. Or viral shedding from other recent vaccinees. Your faith in this vaccine is strong my friend. + +Vaccination failure exists. The solution is to titer and re-vaccinate, or rely on herd immunity. + +As for shedding from recent vaccinees, they'd be shedding attenuated vaccine virus. Which, again, is not pathogenic. + +There's no faith at play here. + +>Now the 1999 pilot. You got this wrong. And I'm the one that doesn't know how to read? + +Either unable or unwilling, yes. + +>Actually they looked at less data. The 1999 unpublished pilot looked at 400,000 infants in the VSD. Phase I of the 2004 published study only looked at 124,170 infants in the VSD. + +Ah, here's that inability to read again. Let's fact check this bit. + +>>We assessed the risk for neurologic and renal impairment associated with past exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccine using automated data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). VSD is a large linked database from four health maintenance organizations in Washington, Oregon and California, containing immunization, medical visit and demographic data on over 400,000 infants born between '91 and '97. + +There are 400,000 infants in the VSD. That doesn't mean all were appropriate or selected for in their analysis. So you're already off base here. But it gets better. + +>>A 2-phased retrospective cohort study was +conducted using computerized health maintenance organization (HMO) databases. Phase I screened for associations between neurodevelopmental disorders and thimerosal exposure among 124 170 infants who were born during +1992 to 1999 at 2 HMOs (A and B). In phase II, the most +common disorders associated with exposure in phase I +were reevaluated among 16 717 children who were born +during 1991 to 1997 in another HMO (C). Relative risks +for neurodevelopmental disorders were calculated per +increase of 12.5 g of estimated cumulative mercury exposure from TCVs in the first, third, and seventh months +of life + +So, no, they didn't use a smaller sample size. The exact inclusion criteria of the abstract presented isn't known, since only the abstract has been saved. And, no, phase II doesn't use a smaller sample size or remove the first. It is a comparison of a different HMO investigating rates found in the first two HMOs. And there was no association. And, finally, this study (both phases) looks at the 1st, 3rd, and 7th month of life whereas the initial abstract is just about the first month. + +This is also evident when you look at the sheer number of disorders found in the full paper's phase I as it clearly outnumbers the total of all disorders of the abstract. + +So my advice: work on that reading comprehension. You've got some words down, but the ability to interpret meaning is tripping you up. + +>Wrong again. In phase II, the most common disorders associated with exposure in phase I were re-evaluated among only 16,717 children. + +No, all associations and RR of significance in phase I were analyzed at a different site. It's not the ""most common"" but those with apparent RR of concern. + +>It's so obvious that they reduced the sample size to make the links to autism, sleep disorders, learning disabilities and speech delays in the 1999 pilot statistically less significant. + +How so? The sample size of the abstract isn't known. The paper has a combined sample size of 140,887. The significance of phase I isn't removed by addition of a *smaller* sample size. That makes no sense at all. Do you not understand how that makes no sense? + +>Furthermore, there's a massive ethical issue with the 1999 study. If you're the CDC, and you find data that points to a 762% increase in autism after the Hep B shot, you have a duty to disclose that to the public. The CDC is the health protection agency of the nation. + +Which they investigated. And found no apparent significance at different HMOs. And recommended further study with larger samples and consistent diagnostic criteria. In no way were the results buried. + +>Instead, they hid the study. Then 5 years later, they reduce the sample sizes and publish a study ""proving"" everything was safe all along. + +You're living in a fantasy land. They published the study. You (claim) to have read it yourself. + +>Thanks again for turning me onto the 2004 study. + +No problem. Keep hitting the books. Read them, also, but keep hitting them, too.",2019-04-25 02:18:02 +Comment,1,eljbwai,,0,1556007829.0,"She was likely born in a hospital, where you have no clue what other family members have and do not have. +I believe the virus can live on surfaces a while (ie, someone carrying it touched the door handle or elevator button, her family touched it, brought it in. Boom whooping cough )",2019-04-23 11:23:49 +Comment,1,eliy1wu,,0,1555997391.0,"Everything is okay in modesty. Sure Mercury is poisonous, but so is literally everything else att the right amount. Simple.",2019-04-23 08:29:51 +Comment,1,elimzki,,0,1555990305.0,"Over 3,000 studies and 0 inert placebo controls. There’s none for the current vaccines we inject into children. + +Untested.",2019-04-23 06:31:45 +Comment,1,elibl1w,,0,1555983182.0,"What a ridiculous statement. Watch the Plotkin testimony and see how much a vaccine patent makes. Wakefield was vilified, the Truth is coming out. Vaccines are bad, very bad. It is tobacco all over again.",2019-04-23 04:33:02 +Comment,1,eli2sbt,,0,1555977476.0,"Vaccines have been tested more than any other pharmaceutical product ever. I've done searches on ""X vaccine safety"" and on ""ingredient X safety"" on PubMed, and the smallest number of hits was over 3,000.",2019-04-23 02:57:56 +Comment,1,elhyokp,,0,1555974475.0,"Wakefield's study was retracted because the information was falsified, he was paid by a lawyer to manufacture evidence, and he had applied for a patent for a standalone measles vaccine. He lost his license for this *and* for performing unauthorized tests on children (not just blood draws, but lumbar punctures!) without the approval of an IRB. + +His paper said ""needs further testing,"" and 17 other much better designed studies were done, trying to replicate his results without success on millions of children worldwide. He may not have stated ""vaccines cause autism"" outright, but he certainly does now, and is making far more money than a single patented vaccine ever would have earned him.",2019-04-23 02:07:55 +Comment,1,el86rnx,,0,1555659224.0,Because she's not vaccinated. You can still be a carrier and not have symptoms yourself....,2019-04-19 10:33:44 +Comment,1,el83bz0,,0,1555656630.0,"Same! I got vaccinated and now I'm suffering the consequences, living for more then 3 years.",2019-04-19 09:50:30 +Comment,1,el82z51,,0,1555656367.0,"100% agree with you, these people have trust issues and use Google for 2 minutes and believe vaccines are bad. They have lifes and even if you have a low chance of measles you are spreading it around to other people increasing it. Vaccines are good and you should trust the government.",2019-04-19 09:46:07 +Comment,0,el2ppps,,0,1555499865.0,"Anti-vax is [promulgated by Russian trolls.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/08/25/that-anti-vaccination-message-may-be-from-a-russian-bot-or-troll/) + +Any way they find to create a more divisive America is fair game to them. And, hey- if it ties up our hospitals with kids sickened by preventable diseases, that's just bonus in their eyes.",2019-04-17 14:17:45 +Comment,8,el1s4uk,,0,1555475841.0,Don’t feel bad. I wasn’t in a coma & am also confused ab what is going on. I only uncovered it when I became a parent & saw people openly asking for pediatrician recommendations for doctors that don’t “push vaccines” in fb groups.,2019-04-17 07:37:21 +Comment,-1,ekzpzov,,0,1555411232.0,"Was it misguided back then? Since everyone got measles and it is more serious for people over 20, it made sense to get it on purpose when you were younger, so that you would be immune and not get it when you were older (same with chickenpox, but that is more serious if over 12) + +However, nowadays we have a weakened virus (in the vaccine) that makes us immune but is way less likely to cause complications, so now it makes no sense to choose the stronger virus.",2019-04-16 13:40:32 +Comment,-1,ekzjq2b,,0,1555406714.0,That and the vaccine was available until 1960 or something,2019-04-16 12:25:14 +Comment,3,ekzjotk,,0,1555406689.0,Because it wasn’t controlled and while the kids did gain immunity the experience was horrible.,2019-04-16 12:24:49 +Comment,7,ekzfn4v,,0,1555403846.0,"I’ve only heard about that with the chickenpox (which can also be deadly e.g. [hemorrhagic varicella](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8240570) ). If they did, it was highly misguided and irresponsible. People die from measles and the complications it causes. For example, it wipes out the memory of your immune cells, so you have the immune system of a newborn again and susceptible to everything you ever had before. + +They didn’t have the medical advances or knowledge that we do now. The vaccine wasn’t available until 1963. + +https://www.princeton.edu/news/2015/05/07/deadly-shadow-measles-may-weaken-immune-system-three-years + +https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27481-measles-leaves-you-vulnerable-to-a-host-of-deadly-diseases/amp/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908915/ + +https://www.wired.com/story/how-measles-hacks-the-body-and-harms-its-victims-for-years/amp + +https://relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/science/2019/03/measles-vaccine-protect-disease-immune-amnesia",2019-04-16 11:37:26 +Comment,1,ekul5bq,,0,1555243151.0,"Night, darling. + +👋🏻",2019-04-14 14:59:11 +Comment,1,ekuit1z,,0,1555241159.0,You said it's the only point you can imagine as a way to justify ignoring what I said in order to reply to what you think I said... Very clever. Peace.,2019-04-14 14:25:59 +Comment,1,ektmyqf,,0,1555216986.0,"I didn’t say you were anti vaccine. See how you haven’t actually progressed the discussion by telling me why what you’re arguing about even matters? You can argue with yourself without me, friend.",2019-04-14 07:43:06 +Comment,1,ektgbr8,,0,1555212596.0,"I'm not anti-vaccine. See how we're still talking about what you want me to be saying vs what I actually said? So you can't address anything I said? You can argue with yourself without me, friend.",2019-04-14 06:29:56 +Comment,1,ekt8mby,,0,1555207478.0,I really can’t imagine you’d have any other point given anti-vaccine propagandists never bring up mercury unless it’s to talk about how it’s toxic in vaccines. But have fun in your echo chamber.,2019-04-14 05:04:38 +Comment,1,ekt3ujq,,0,1555204216.0,"No that is not my point, which is why I didn't say that. I can't talk to you if you're going to ignore everything I say and respond only to your own perceived insinuations, as you've just done. Please re-read and respond to my previous comment/what I actually said.",2019-04-14 04:10:16 +Comment,1,eksvcq6,,0,1555198021.0,"If your point is that the thimerosal content is too toxic to be in vaccines, that’s just not true. There are hundreds of studies proving it breaks down just fine in the human body barring allergic reaction. + +Unless you have a peer reviewed medical study claiming otherwise. But I doubt it.",2019-04-14 02:27:01 +Comment,1,eksnrwc,,0,1555191845.0,"> firstly flying turtles is not killing humans and causing endless suffering + +Then why are so many boeing planes all “mysteriously” crashing + +Y’all forgot about flight 370? + +Wake up",2019-04-14 00:44:05 +Comment,1,eksmz7f,,0,1555191109.0,"Salt is non-toxic? What if you eat 3 Lbs? Is Thimerosal harmless? Has no one ever had an adverse reaction? You can drown in water or milk, but they're both different- does that matter?",2019-04-14 00:31:49 +Comment,1,eks3bqc,,0,1555163649.0,"Allow me to help by reiterating what that person said: + +Elements and compounds are the not the same thing. + +They have completely different properties and react differently to other elements/compounds. + +Example: salt (NaCl) is perfectly non toxic and is consumable. However, taken individually, Na and Cl are quite toxic. + +There. Education. :)",2019-04-13 16:54:09 +Comment,1,eklscub,,0,1554983186.0,"Same odds as getting struck by lightning, but would you carry an umbrella in a thunder storm?",2019-04-11 14:46:26 +Comment,1,ekigwyl,,0,1554885221.0,She got it because she doesn’t have the vaccine to fight against it. And because she’s so little and young her body doesn’t have a strong immune system yet. There’s probably a 50-50 chance she does. I’d recommend vaxxing her.,2019-04-10 11:33:41 +Comment,1,ekg66uv,,0,1554813951.0,"There are still 100,000 deaths from measles every year world wide and the numbers 1 to 1000 do match up to the global deaths",2019-04-09 15:45:51 +Comment,1,ekasgdm,,0,1554647111.0,What qualifies something as a toxin? What ppb or even ppm of these toxins are considered to have adverse affects? ,2019-04-07 17:25:11 +Comment,1,ek9w4kt,,0,1554616460.0,You didn't answer my question. You said it can't cause damage to the body. Is that true or isn't it?,2019-04-07 08:54:20 +Comment,2,ek9vhds,,0,1554615900.0,"Yeah, a long time ago, vaccines weren’t as safe as today, but nowadays, they are way safer and I don’t know any story about people being hurt by mercury in modern vaccines",2019-04-07 08:45:00 +Comment,1,ek9v4u8,,0,1554615601.0,So no one has ever been hurt by the mercury in any vaccine ever?,2019-04-07 08:40:01 +Comment,2,ek9ocan,,0,1554609735.0,"But you do have a point there. Going through the blood is harder to expel and can cause brain damage, but only in big amounts",2019-04-07 07:02:15 +Comment,2,ek9oa6b,,0,1554609684.0,"Going into the blood can cause non-lethal, but very serious, brain damage and many others, but its more likely to cause brain damage than going into the digestive tract. However, going into the digestive tract has a higher chance of causing liver problems. Both of them can be expelled from the body, respectively through urine and feces. Going through the blood is, in fact, probably more dangerous, but the quantity is so miniscule it can be easily expelled and, even if it isn’t, it can’t cause damage to the body. You would need to take a whole bunch of vaccines to cause any noticeable effect. I’m gonna guess like 10 shots per month or 5 shots per month",2019-04-07 07:01:24 diff --git a/RedditVaccineMyth/vm_clean.csv b/RedditVaccineMyth/vm_clean.csv new file mode 100644 index 0000000..5277913 --- /dev/null +++ b/RedditVaccineMyth/vm_clean.csv @@ -0,0 +1,4903 @@ +title,score,id,url,comms_num,created,body,timestamp +Health Canada approves AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine,7,lt74vw,https://www.canadaforums.ca/2021/02/health-canada-approves-astrazeneca.html,0,1614400425.0,Health Canada approves AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine,2021-02-27 06:33:45 +COVID-19 in Canada: 'Vaccination passports' a near certainty says bio-ethicist,2,lsh0ij,https://www.canadaforums.ca/2021/02/covid-19-in-canada-vaccination.html,1,1614316267.0,COVID-19 in Canada: 'Vaccination passports' a near certainty says bio-ethicist,2021-02-26 07:11:07 +Coronavirus variants could fuel Canada's third wave,6,lohlle,https://www.canadaforums.ca/2021/02/coronavirus-variants-could-fuel-canadas.html,0,1613886608.0,Coronavirus variants could fuel Canada's third wave,2021-02-21 07:50:08 +Canadian government to extend COVID-19 emergency benefits,1,lnptv8,https://www.canadaforums.ca/2021/02/canadian-government-to-extend-covid-19.html,0,1613795713.0,Canadian government to extend COVID-19 emergency benefits,2021-02-20 06:35:13 +Canada: Pfizer is 'extremely committed' to meeting vaccine delivery targets,6,lkslm6,https://www.canadaforums.ca/2021/02/canada-pfizer-is-extremely-committed-to.html,0,1613468188.0,Canada: Pfizer is 'extremely committed' to meeting vaccine delivery targets,2021-02-16 11:36:28 +Canada: Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine approval expected this week,5,lftbji,https://www.canadaforums.ca/2021/02/canada-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine.html,0,1612869431.0,Canada: Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine approval expected this week,2021-02-09 13:17:11 +Comment,1,ej9x066,,0,1553474093.0,Your OP. It's not a myth. Only one vaccine contains it and you can get it without it. So your OP is pointless flex. ,2019-03-25 02:34:53 +Fuck you anti-vaxxing retards,10,g6jkhp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/g6jkhp/fuck_you_antivaxxing_retards/,8,1587662622.0,https://youtu.be/zBkVCpbNnkU,2020-04-23 20:23:42 +Comment,0,fofa0yy,,0,1587759590.0,Because Anti-Vaxxers have no sense,2020-04-24 23:19:50 +Comment,0,ej9xuaf,,0,1553474721.0,"What do you mean by ""your OP"". I am fairly new to reddit.",2019-03-25 02:45:21 +Comment,1,ej9x2qr,,0,1553474147.0,"When they say there's no thimerasol, they mean in the childhood schedule. That IS a fact. ",2019-03-25 02:35:47 +Comment,2,ejacj98,,0,1553485820.0,"The ""myth"" you're debunking is in regards to the childhood schedule. ZERO OF THOSE VACCINES CONTAIN IT. You're being a pedantic fuck for no reason. ",2019-03-25 05:50:20 +Comment,2,ejabpdx,,0,1553485203.0,"You'll have to read it again because I didn't say that, the CDC did. You say one flu vaccine but the CDC says multiple. Check the CDC link. To paraphrase, ""It's out of most single dose and in most multi-dose."" That's more than one. I can't keep responding to people who won't even read what they're disagreeing with...",2019-03-25 05:40:03 +Comment,3,ejaculv,,0,1553486050.0,"Nope. I didn't say anything about childhood vaccines in my OP. The myth, as I stated plainly, is ""Vaccines do not contain mercury."" They do contain mercury. Not all, but some, so the statement is incorrect.",2019-03-25 05:54:10 +Comment,1,ejackaa,,0,1553485841.0,"I didn't say thimerosal is mercury. I said thimerosal contains mercury. You're not disagreeing with me. Again, I can't respond if you're not tracking the conversation. We won't get anywhere if you're not even willing to put your own shoes on...",2019-03-25 05:50:41 +Comment,1,ejn2f7c,,0,1553870162.0,Doctors recommend vaccines for whatever you're most at risk for considering the area you live in. ,2019-03-29 16:36:02 +Comment,1,ejn1jon,,0,1553868938.0,"I'm saying that even if you live away from people, you can still get diseases from plants / funghi. Things like Malaria, Dengue and JEV can be gotten from animals. + +And if you're on Reddit, you got some piece of technology. This is pretty silly. :P",2019-03-29 16:15:38 +Comment,1,ejmzlio,,0,1553866351.0,"Kind of hard to avoid exposure unless you abandon being in contact with people completely - and even then, not all diseases that you can vaccinate against come from humans. + +It's not possible to (safely) avoid exposure.",2019-03-29 15:32:31 +Comment,1,ejdklga,,0,1553584261.0,Herd immunity to me is a delegation of one's responsibility of his wellbeing to others. That's basically what it is; regardless if a drug works or not. And that's insanity at its finest point having someone to blame others for his immune being grounded. It's unbelievable.,2019-03-26 09:11:01 +Comment,1,ejc4ys1,,0,1553549348.0,"I didn't admit there are. Two vaccines contain thimerasol. That is a compound and not an element. If you'd like, I'll start a GoFundMe to put you into a basic chemistry class so you understand the fucking difference. Jesus Christ, it's literally been like arguing with an anti-vaxxer. You cannot retain anything taught to you, no matter how many people explain it to you.",2019-03-25 23:29:08 +Comment,1,ejc4rd0,,0,1553549174.0,"You finally admit there is mercury in vaccines. You arguing with yourself kid. I never said it's worrisome. I just said it's in there and that's a problem when doctors and TED talks are saying it's not. You seem to only be able to disagree with things I didn't say. 100% of my argument is that mercury is in vaccines, which you seem to suddenly agree with after spending an entire day saying the opposite. I'm gonna let go of your hand now. ✌️",2019-03-25 23:26:14 +Comment,2,ejc48az,,0,1553548719.0,"Because it is an ethylmercury you monumental dumbass. Also, just because there is mercury in the compound doesn't mean it's unsafe. That's like saying table salt is dangerous because it contains sodium and chloride. We obviously don't worry about the elements that make up what goes on or in most of our foods, why are you making a fuss about thimerasol? Oh yeah, because you're an idiot. + +Also, your analogy is shit. You could go get 40 vaccines at once and still receive less ""mercury"" than you would eating fish, and fish contains methylmercury, which is actually harmful. + +Even if we humored your ridiculous idea that the mercury in thimerasol is actually worrisome, which it isn't because thimerasol still isn't mercury, you should worry more about literally everything else because of the minuscule amounts of it. The dose makes the poison and your liver and easily handle less than a mcg of ethylmercury.",2019-03-25 23:18:39 +Comment,0,ejc2imz,,0,1553547167.0,"Good thing I didn't say thimerosal is mercury, but there is mercury, in the form of ethylmercury, in thimerosal. Jumping off a 5-story building is ""relatively safe"" compared to Jumping off a 10-story building. Why are you saying ""ethyl""? Would it make you look stupid to say ethylmercury? Yeah probably.",2019-03-25 22:52:47 +Comment,1,ejb7724,,0,1553508491.0,"You can be anything on the internet and you choose to be an idiot. There is no mercury in vaccines. Never has been. Now, let's humor the idea and hey into your world where for some reason, it matters that thimerosal is 50% ethyl organomercury by weight. + +There isn't even a microgram of thimerosal in the multi-dose flu shot, which is referred to as a ""trace amount."" Now, only half of that not even a mcg is actually ethyl organomercury. + +Your body, a result of billions of years of evolution, has an organ system whose sole purpose is to filter stuff out. Guess what? That incredibly tiny amount of ethyl organomercury is processed by this system extremely easily and is removed from the body. + +So, Dr. Dumbass, do you want to keep going on about the total NON-FUCKING-ISSUE of thimerosal and how it ISN'T FUCKING MERCURY, or do you want to continue to be a total idiot? + +Jesus fucking Christ, dude, you might as well be against vaccines because you sure as shit aren't for the truth. + +Also, go get a flu shot and come back and tell me if there's a question on the form you filled out about being allergic to thimerosal. They don't exactly hide it. 1. It's an ingredient in a shot which has a thimerasol free version and 2. Unless your body personally has a problem with it, it's not harmful. + +Fuck. ",2019-03-25 12:08:11 +Comment,1,ejasy5x,,0,1553497556.0,"Just ethylmercury, which is a form of this thing called mercury...",2019-03-25 09:05:56 +Comment,2,ejarnxh,,0,1553496600.0,You just went full retard.,2019-03-25 08:50:00 +Comment,1,ejaqwhg,,0,1553496049.0,"Not in my mind, but in the FDA's mind, ""Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound."" +https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228 + +But you are correct, chloride isn't one of the fucking ingredients of french fries, unless they're salted, in which case it is, because there is chloride in sodium-chloride. That's why it's called sodium-chloride. Bye now.",2019-03-25 08:40:49 +Comment,2,ejao1av,,0,1553493953.0,"Think about this. When you eat french fries, chloride isn't one of the fucking ingredients. So why do vaccines that have thimerasol, in your mind, contain mercury?",2019-03-25 08:05:53 +Comment,2,ejanygr,,0,1553493898.0,What's in table salt?,2019-03-25 08:04:58 +Comment,3,ejai8qo,,0,1553489861.0,"I agree with the statement because it's true. That doesn't mean there is mercury in vaccines. Just stop. You lost as soon as you posted, and then decided to double, triple, and quadruple down on your idiocy.",2019-03-25 06:57:41 +Comment,0,ejah7aa,,0,1553489130.0,"What is thimerosal? I know it's a compound, but what's in it? What's it made of?",2019-03-25 06:45:30 +Comment,1,ejaglyf,,0,1553488704.0,"So you agree with the statement, ""Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound.""?",2019-03-25 06:38:24 +Comment,2,ejagid2,,0,1553488633.0,They're not lying! Your inability to grasp a simple concept makes me wonder how you breathe on your own. ,2019-03-25 06:37:13 +Comment,0,ejagfa0,,0,1553488573.0,"I never once said I was concerned about thimerosal. But allot of people feel like they should be, in no small part because doctors and medical professionals are lying about it, to millions of people. If you want to encourage vaccine participation, that's bad isn't it?",2019-03-25 06:36:13 +Comment,3,ejagcz8,,0,1553488527.0,"That's not how chemistry works, Dr. Dumbass. If this were the case, table salt would literally kill you upon ingesting. ",2019-03-25 06:35:27 +Comment,2,ejag8w0,,0,1553488447.0,"Sodium explodes in water and chloride is a poisonous gas. So, tell me, why are you concerned about thimerasol?",2019-03-25 06:34:07 +Comment,1,ejag1r5,,0,1553488306.0,"I have not disputed this. Elements (mercury) are in compounds (thimerosal). Thimerosal, a compound, contains mercury, an element.",2019-03-25 06:31:46 +Comment,0,ejaftc8,,0,1553488143.0,Sodium and chloride.,2019-03-25 06:29:03 +Comment,3,ejafaqc,,0,1553487787.0,True or false: Compounds are not elements.,2019-03-25 06:23:07 +Comment,2,ejaf2ms,,0,1553487634.0,Please tell me what table salt is made of. ,2019-03-25 06:20:34 +Comment,2,ejae7fj,,0,1553487019.0,"True or false- ""Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound."" +???",2019-03-25 06:10:19 +Comment,1,ejadvtu,,0,1553486786.0,"I sure am, which is how I know there is mercury in vaccines when doctors have told me and millions of others the opposite... I didn't post this intending to be educated. If you claim to have knowledge I don't, it only makes sense for me to ask what it is, and for you to explain it, especially if it's elementary. Why not just educate me? Wouldn't that be easier?",2019-03-25 06:06:26 +Comment,2,ejadlyg,,0,1553486588.0,I've been studying and debating vaccine safety for years. You're just flat out wrong. ,2019-03-25 06:03:08 +Comment,3,ejadjse,,0,1553486545.0,They don't contain mercury. Compounds are not elements. You're still wrong. Go take a chemistry class before you look like a dumbass again. ,2019-03-25 06:02:25 +Comment,1,ejn5xrv,,0,1553875497.0,"Yes, that can be a few vaccinations. I've been vaccinated a number of times, personally. I travel a lot, so I get vaccinated more then most.",2019-03-29 18:04:57 +Comment,1,ejpjkm0,,0,1553943184.0,Why are you deleting all your comments?,2019-03-30 12:53:04 +Comment,1,ejy4sim,,0,1554242883.0,Lol,2019-04-03 01:08:03 +Comment,1,ejpwlwu,,0,1553957825.0,Sorry to hear about that. ,2019-03-30 16:57:05 +Comment,2,ejzgker,,0,1554275692.0,"You make a good point about natural infection antibodies being passed from mother to child. So if the child did contract measles, the body would recognize it & a lesser reaction would occur. + +Now that we're in the 3rd generation of lower quality vaccine immunity, children/adults contracting measles would have a more serious reaction. ",2019-04-03 10:14:52 +Comment,1,ejz8glc,,0,1554269533.0,"See my comment above, this probably is a error on the part of the cdc, but isn't a reason not to vaccinate + +Also, your link doesn't talk about the effects of measles, it just says MMR doesn't cause autism",2019-04-03 08:32:13 +Comment,1,ejz85ic,,0,1554269313.0,"Good job catching this error, but note that the case-fatality rate may have gone up in recent decades due to the fact that most people are vaccinated, so a higher percentage of those who get measles may be immune-compromised, too young to be vaccinated (natural infection leads to immunity that are passed on to the child, but vaccination doesn't as much), or adults (who get worse measles) + +Even so, way less people die of measles now than before the vaccine, because of the massive ( >20,000 fold) decrease in the number of people infected.",2019-04-03 08:28:33 +Comment,4,ejyuv4g,,0,1554260683.0,"> neurobiologists ... lawyers + +Oh, good, that's relevant. + +",2019-04-03 06:04:43 +Comment,8,ejytxj4,,0,1554260092.0,">The 1 in 1000 fatality rate from measles is a known calculation error by the CDC. + +Nah. + +>It's actually closer to 1 in 10,000 or 0.01% of cases. + +It's actually closer to 0% in areas where it's been eliminated, due to vaccination. + +There's also a whole host of terrible sequalae associated with the virus. And the known fact that anyone framing a situation as ""the only thing you should care about is the rate at which you will literally die"" is a complete asshat. + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/",2019-04-03 05:54:52 +Comment,1,ejyekic,,0,1554249972.0,Try [again](https://vaxopedia.org/2018/01/15/measles-propaganda-from-the-physicians-for-informed-consent/).,2019-04-03 03:06:12 +Comment,1,ejyd6qo,,0,1554248995.0,"Similar things can also be said about small groups of scientists who don't believe in evolution, or deny climate change. They're all still quacks.",2019-04-03 02:49:55 +Comment,3,ejyawnq,,0,1554247392.0,"Who can't tell the difference between aluminium and aluminium hydroxide. Get outta here with those dumb ""references"". Wouldn't trust them to even properly take my pulse. ",2019-04-03 02:23:12 +Comment,-6,ejy5w08,,0,1554243731.0,"Physicians for Informed Consent is a group of board certified medical doctors, neurobiologists, immunologists, nurses & lawyers. Members have also testified in front of Congress regarding vaccine safety. I don't see how that's a conspiracy ",2019-04-03 01:22:11 +Comment,1,ejzjlqf,,0,1554278117.0,">Now that we're in the 3rd generation of lower quality vaccine immunity, children/adults contracting measles would have a more serious reaction. + +Note that although now measles may be more serious for the who do get it, the chance of getting it at all now is lower than the chance of *dying* from measles before the vaccine, so this is not an argument against vaccination + +​",2019-04-03 10:55:17 +Comment,-1,ejzsq7u,,0,1554285345.0,"And you're still wrong--it's not an error. The estimate is actually 1-2 per 1000 which derived from surveillance data collected throughout the 1985-1992 measles resurgence. +Read [that](https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.me.43.020192.002315) and then get back to me. Also, to state the obvious, you're conflating *estimated* cases with *reported* deaths, aka apples to oranges. As an aside, it is fun to note your wording stance change from ""Known calculation error"" to ""probably an error"". + +Finally, my link does not ""just"" say MMR doesn't cause autism. It's a chestnut for standard anti-vaxxer nonsense. For measles sequelae you can read any of the dozen CDC articles for laypeople or you can check [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22889539/) for just CNS sequelae, if you're feeling frisky. + +You should probably stick to reputable sources, such as the CDC. ",2019-04-03 12:55:45 +Comment,1,ejzuye6,,0,1554287124.0,"I meant it was an error to say the death rate was 1 in 1,000 before the vaccine, note that in my other comment[https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b8jhk7/myth\_1\_in\_1000\_measles\_cases\_are\_fatal/ejz85ic?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b8jhk7/myth_1_in_1000_measles_cases_are_fatal/ejz85ic?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x) I said the case-fatality rate may be going up as the number of cased dropped due to vaccination, so I am not challenging the estimate that it was 1 in 1,000 in 1985-1992 (more recent data actually shows 1 in 250) + +>Finally, my link does not ""just"" say MMR doesn't cause autism. + +What does it say then? I didn't see anything about neurological sequelae in that article, but I do know they exist. + +>It's a chestnut for standard anti-vaxxer nonsense. + +Did you miss ""but isn't a reason not to vaccinate""? Also note that in the comment I linked I also say the vaccine has reduced deaths + +>As an aside, it is fun to note your wording stance change from ""Known calculation error"" to ""probably an error"". + +I wasn't the one who said ""Known calculation error"", but even if I was, arguing semantic details is pointless + +>You should probably stick to reputable sources, such as the CDC + +I am not OP, all my info is coming from the CDC",2019-04-03 13:25:24 +Comment,1,ek0lcq0,,0,1554321260.0,"> I meant it was an error to say the death rate was 1 in 1,000 before the vaccine + +I understand you're saying that. I don't believe it. + +>I said the case-fatality rate may be going up as the number of cased dropped due to vaccination + +Which would be an interesting hypothesis considering the apparent mortality rate hasn't changed from pre-1963 to recent outbreaks. I don't see much support for it from where I'm standing. + +>(more recent data actually shows 1 in 250) + +That could be something. + +>What does it say then? + +If you're curious, read it. + +>Did you miss ""but isn't a reason not to vaccinate""? Also note that in the comment I linked I also say the vaccine has reduced deaths + +No. It's still a good resource. + +>I wasn't the one who said ""Known calculation error"", but even if I was, arguing semantic details is pointless + +It's not arguing semantics. And in any case, you'd be saying it's ""probably an error"" which is unsubstantiated. + +>I am not OP, all my info is coming from the CDC + +Ah, I see that now. + + + +",2019-04-03 22:54:20 +Comment,3,ek0a3jp,,0,1554303456.0,"Measles has never been eliminated. There have been cases every year since the introduction of the vaccine. Numbers vary by year. In 1982, there were 1,697 reported cases of measles in the US and public health officials stated that elimination was around the corner. Then a resurgence occurred between 1989-1991 with over 53,000 cases. As a result of this increase, children were required to get a second dose of the vaccine. + +In the year 2000, when the US declared it ""eradicated,"" there were still 86 cases of measles. + +Then take into account vaccine strain virus shedding after MMR. Reports of throat, blood, and urine samples all testing positive for vaccine strain measles infection up to 5 weeks from vaccination. + +[Vaccine associated measles 5 weeks post vaccine](https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES2013.18.49.20649) + +[Measles in Throat of Vaccinated Child](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X01004959) + +[Excretion of Vaccine Strain Measles virus](https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/ese.15.35.19652-en) + +During the 2015 California measles outbreak, many suspected cases actually occurred in persons who were recently vaccinated. 194 measles virus sequences were collected in 2015, with 73 cases found to have actually been vaccine strain measles. + +2011 New York, report of 88 person measles outbreak started by a twice-vaccinated individual. + +[Measles Mary](https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/58/9/1205/2895266) + +Can measles truly be eliminated if the live virus continues to be injected into the population with vaccines? + +​ + +And since you sent me a study discussing MMR, thimerosal and autism. Here's a link to a hidden CDC study of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. It compares children receiving the thimerosal containing Hepatitis B vaccine during the first month of life. The results of this study were never released by the CDC and an abstract was only obtained under FOIA request. + +Children vaccinated with Hepatitis B vaccine in the first month of life compared to children receiving no vaccines in the first month of life had an increased risk of 762% for autism, 829% for ADHD, 638% for ADD, 565% for tics, 498% for sleep disorders, and 206% for speech delays. + +[CDC unpublished vax vs unvax study](https://vaccine-safety.s3.amazonaws.com/CDC_FOIA_Response_UnpublishedStudy.pdf) + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​",2019-04-03 17:57:36 +Comment,2,ek0or1b,,0,1554324545.0,"> Measles has never been eliminated. + +The Americas were declared measles free back in 2016. I'm guessing you confused 'locally eliminated' with 'globally eradicated'. + +>There have been cases every year since the introduction of the vaccine. + +You mean since the virus has existed? + +>Then take into account vaccine strain virus shedding after MMR. Reports of throat, blood, and urine samples all testing positive for vaccine strain measles infection up to 5 weeks from vaccination. + +Vaccine strain isn't the same as the pathogenic strain. This isn't scary for anyone except those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations. + +>During the 2015 California measles outbreak, many suspected cases actually occurred in persons who were recently vaccinated. + +[Wrong](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm?s_cid=mm6406a5_w): + +>>Among the 110 California patients, 49 (45%) were unvaccinated; five (5%) had 1 dose of measles-containing vaccine, seven (6%) had 2 doses, one (1%) had 3 doses, 47 (43%) had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, and one (1%) had immunoglobulin G seropositivity documented, which indicates prior vaccination or measles infection at an undetermined time. + +Which is entirely consistent with vaccination efficacy. + +>194 measles virus sequences were collected in 2015, with 73 cases found to have actually been vaccine strain measles. + +Wrong again: + +>>The source of the initial Disney theme park exposure has not been identified. Specimens from 30 California patients were genotyped; all were measles genotype B3, which has caused a large outbreak recently in the Philippines, but has also been detected in at least 14 countries and at least six U.S. states in the last 6 months (1). + +Vaccine strain is not capable of causing wild-type disease. + +>2011 New York, report of 88 person measles outbreak started by a twice-vaccinated individual. + +Wow, let's hope this isn't a common occurrence. From your source: + +>>**This is the first report** of measles transmission from a twice-vaccinated individual with documented secondary vaccine failure. + +Impressive. You've convinced me fully. We should stop vaccinating. + +>Can measles truly be eliminated if the live virus continues to be injected into the population with vaccines? + +Yep. Happened with smallpox, and from entire hemispheres with polio and measles. Did you forget that? + +>And since you sent me a study discussing MMR, thimerosal and autism. + +You didn't read it. You should read it. + +>The results of this study were never released by the CDC and an abstract was only obtained under FOIA request. + +Wait...you mean *this* unpublished study??? + +http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/112/5/1039.full.pdf + +You'd apparently believe any bold-faced lie a fellow anti-vaxxer told you. Truly hot on the case!",2019-04-03 23:49:05 +Comment,1,ek0ul3u,,0,1554329201.0," Here is an explanation of how I calculated the measles death rate (including the 1 in 250 estimate) [https://vaxfact.fandom.com/wiki/4](https://vaxfact.fandom.com/wiki/4) + +>If you're curious, read it + +Okay, it says that MMR, thimerosal, and ""too many vaccines"" don't cause autism, but no one ever said anything about autism, so I still don't know why you brought this up",2019-04-04 01:06:41 +Comment,1,ek1met5,,0,1554346685.0,">Okay, it says that MMR, thimerosal, and ""too many vaccines"" don't cause autism, but no one ever said anything about autism, so I still don't know why you brought this up + +I just explained it. I thought you were the other poster who is an antivaxxer. I provided a general resource debunking the core pillars of antivaxxer nonsense. And, to be clear, OP and the conspiracy squad have mentioned autism. So it is directly relevant to the overall discussion, just maybe not to you. + +I don't know why you find this is so bothersome. If you want to know what's in it, read it. If you like it, save it. If you don't find it useful, don't worry about it. Repeat as necessary. As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to mention it further. + +--- + +>Here is an explanation of how I calculated the measles death rate (including the 1 in 250 estimate) + +Great, let's break that down. + +>CDC lists a death rate up to 1 in 500, but mentions that before the vaccine there were thought to be 3-4 million cases and 500 deaths each year, which would be a 1 in 6,000-8,000 death rate + +There are three incongruous parts meshed together with one bad assumption: + +1) The mortality rate of measles is ""up to 1:500"" + +2) Pre-1963, there were an estimated 3-4 million cases of measles annually + +3) Pre-1963, there were 500 deaths annually + +For the third point, this is, according to the CDC source, from reported measles deaths. This is not an estimate, it is an average value of actual, reported cases. This is true for pre-1963 era. + +For the second, this is an estimate of the total measles morbidity annually prior to 1963. This is probably accurate for pre-1963 era, but comes loaded with a 25-33% error range, not including a particular confidence interval. + +For the first, the mortality rate is based on data from both before 1963 and after. This is derived from confirmed measles cases and confirmed measles deaths. Nuance is lost in the first point since you've lost the range, which is 1-2 per 1000. Additionally, this value is reported in an intuitive way (X per 1000) rather than the more scientifically meaningful way, a decimal number (2.0 per 1000; 0.63 per 1000). You can make the denominator increase or decrease 'large' amounts for relatively small movements in actual case fatality rates and with no or little meaningful statistical resolution between the two. + +And to belabor the point I've already made, you are comparing **estimated** morbidity with **known** mortality. That is apples to oranges. If you had an estimate of morbidity with an estimate of mortality, you could have at it. What's interesting, then, is that to get your 1:250 number you compare **known** cases with **known** mortality, not estimates. And this is further massaged by picking, presumably arbitrarily, 1994-2014. If we, also arbitrarily, include up to 1988 then we get a CFR of 0.0022 or roughly 1:450. If we just look at the outbreak of 1989-1991 we also get a CFR of 0.0022. If we just take the first five years of reported values starting at 1950--which has a combined 40 times case numbers than the entirety of 1988 onward--we get a CFR of 0.001 or roughly 1:970. Which rounds out a nice estimate of 0.001-0.002 or 1-2 per 1000. + +And yet in the first paragraph you have picked a *single range*--with no mind for data collection, statistical confidence, attack rate by age, or other extrapolation issues--while ignoring the repeatedly collected and congruent information which suggests this homebrewed estimate is wrong or not informative as packaged. + +But I appreciate you explaining how you calculated it. Vaxfact seems like a very dubious website, as an aside. I would like to repeat my caution that you stick to reputable sources. + + + +",2019-04-04 05:58:05 +Comment,1,ek1b9a9,,0,1554340299.0,You get more of those minerals by breathing for 1 hour than you do from 1 vaccine,2019-04-04 04:11:39 +Comment,1,ek35upu,,0,1554394062.0,"What does this mean? +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534",2019-04-04 19:07:42 +Comment,1,ek24urf,,0,1554358587.0,"Thanks for explaining the issues you saw in my calculations, this was helpful. + +>I would like to repeat my caution that you stick to reputable sources. + +What non-reputable source did I use?",2019-04-04 09:16:27 +COVID-19: Músicos que han recibido la vacuna,2,lxzqpx,https://losmejoresrock.com/covid-19-musicos-que-han-recibido-la-vacuna/,0,1614933314.0,COVID-19: Músicos que han recibido la vacuna,2021-03-05 10:35:14 +Comment,1,ek37pd4,,0,1554397404.0,"The information I provided is not wrong. It's from a 2017 study in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology. One of the co-authors is CDC Division of Viral Diseases official Rebecca J. McNall. + +[Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype](https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735) + +McNall wrote, ""During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees. Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences."" This proves that the measles outbreak was in part caused by the vaccine. + +​ + +>Vaccine strain isn't the same as the pathogenic strain. This isn't scary for anyone except those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations. + +McNall contradicts that by explaining that vaccine strain reaction (rash & fever) is clinically indistinguishable from the natural disease. You need genotyping to confirm the origin and distinguish vaccine strain cases from wild-type cases. + +So by you saying that vaccine strain measles is only scary for the immunocompromised, and CDC stating that the reaction of vaccine strain and wild strain is identical, it proves that the general public should NOT be worried about measles. It is a mild illness to everyone but, as you said, ""those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations."" + +​ + +Also, thank you for showing me the 2004 Thimerosal study. You've uncovered something interesting. + +The 1999 study is titled *Increased Risk of developmental neurologic impairment after high exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccine in first month of life.* It states children who received the Hep B at birth had an increase of 762% for autism, 498% for sleep disorders, and 206% for speech delays compared to children that did not receive the vaccine. + +The conclusion: This analysis suggests that high exposure to ethylmercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines in the first month of life increases the risk of subsequent development of neurologic development impairment... + +​ + +Oddly, the 2004 continuation study is the exact opposite. Titled *Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two-Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases.* + +In this ""Phase II"" study, they've re-analyzed the Phase I data and suddenly found no increased risks for autism or attention-deficit disorder. + +*Conclusions.* No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes. **Conflicting results were found at different HMOs for certain outcomes. For resolving the conflicting findings, studies with uniform neurodevelopmental assessments of children with a range of cumulative thimerosal exposures are needed.** + +​ + +I have a feeling that you regard everything the CDC reports as unquestionably true. But even you might find this a bit sketchy: + +\- In 1997, Congress mandated the FDA to complete a review of mercury in drugs and food. + +\- In 1999, CDC conducted their study, found incredibly concerning data, and instead of making it public, they decided not to publish. + +\- In 2001, the CDC removed or reduced thimerosal in all childhood vaccines because of safety concerns. + +\- In 2004, they published the continuation study that suddenly found that thimerosal was safe all along. And to resolve this obvious conflict in data between Phase I & II, they suggested that more studies of children exposed to thimerosal were needed. Conveniently, thimerosal had already been removed... + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​",2019-04-04 20:03:24 +Comment,2,ek9lcmk,,0,1554607175.0,"It’s the FDA, the US food and drug administration. They administrate the vaccines and food",2019-04-07 06:19:35 +Comment,1,ek9kyu2,,0,1554606848.0,"Let me be more clear. There's a way they know that- how do they know? Also, does everyone eat tuna every day? No, so is it in other foods or what? You made a really broad statement that you're only showing as it applies to tuna and your citation is just a website. It's the FDA ok, but what scientific data is it based on? A website is not the same as a medical journal or a published study etc.",2019-04-07 06:14:08 +Comment,2,ek9ky0c,,0,1554606829.0,"I really don’t understand what you’re asking for. I read our conversation, made sure the article I linked to was referring to my second sentence (“there’s more mercury in your daily consumption of food than in vaccines”), read the quotation (the specific part that refers to my sentence is the last one, talking about tuna cans), checked you request, but I really don’t know what you’re asking for now. What are you trying to say by “references”? I linked the article and quoted the relevant part. I don’t understand your request at all",2019-04-07 06:13:49 +Comment,1,ek9ki74,,0,1554606450.0,"Can you provide a reference? 3rd request. Last try. Please read and respond to what I say or you're just talking to yourself, which you shouldn't need my help to do.",2019-04-07 06:07:30 +Comment,2,ek9k3n8,,0,1554606113.0,"“Your daily consumption of food has more mercury than vaccines” + +Right there dude, in a tuna can theres as much mercury as in a shot ",2019-04-07 06:01:53 +Comment,1,ek9k0xy,,0,1554606056.0,So... the second one... is the one I said to provide a citation for. Gotta be able to track the conversation or we can't have one...,2019-04-07 06:00:56 +Comment,2,ek9jnic,,0,1554605766.0,"https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228 + +“Thimerosal in concentrations of 0.001% (1 part in 100,000) to 0.01% (1 part in 10,000) has been shown to be effective in clearing a broad spectrum of pathogens. A vaccine containing 0.01% thimerosal as a preservative contains 50 micrograms of thimerosal per 0.5 mL dose or approximately 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5 mL dose. For comparison, this is roughly the same amount of elemental mercury contained in a 3 ounce can of tuna fish”",2019-04-07 05:56:06 +Comment,1,ek9j5p8,,0,1554605378.0,Did I say there's lots or did I say it's in there and people are saying it's not? Provide citation for your second sentence please.,2019-04-07 05:49:38 +Comment,2,ek9b6uz,,0,1554599588.0,"You know the dosis of mercury in vaccines is ridiculously small, right? Your daily consumption of food has more mercury in it than vaccines",2019-04-07 04:13:08 +Comment,1,ek7ibqr,,0,1554529973.0,That doesn't change the toxins in the vaccines.,2019-04-06 08:52:53 +Comment,1,ek76qqk,,0,1554521873.0,"Please don’t call it “pro vaccination.” + +Call it modern, evidence based, life saving way that a human should participate in society. ",2019-04-06 06:37:53 +Comment,0,ek76jw5,,0,1554521745.0,"Why are you giving examples from other countries 40-60 years ago?? To think vaccines are made in the same way today, in America, as they were in countries that many years ago would be like saying your new dodge caravan is the same thing as an old rusty VW Van. Where vaccines are manufactured matters. The quality of the facility matters. The quality of the ingredients matters. + +American made vaccines are in high demand in China right now after receiving faulty Chinese made vaccines. + +",2019-04-06 06:35:45 +Comment,1,ek5wq4z,,0,1554481795.0,"You misinterpreted some of what I said. I'm going to explain myself again and capitalize the important words. + +​ + +>""...recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine EXPERIENCE RASH AND FEVER which may be INDISTINGUISHABLE from measles."" [Source](https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735) +> +>""We report a 1-year-old boy who, 10 days after vaccination, DEVELOPED VACCINE MEASLES which was CLINICALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from the natural disease."" [Source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15804301?dopt=Abstract) + +Clinically indistinguishable means that when OBSERVING the patient, the PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS (rash & fever) can look the same in BOTH wild strain and vaccine strain measles. + +​ + +>Vaccine strain isn't the same as the pathogenic strain. This isn't scary for anyone except those undergoing chemotherapy and other immune-depleting situations. + +True. They differ on a genetic level. But they share the common physical symptoms of rash & fever. You taught me that the pathogenic strain can cause further complications like SSPE. According to the CDC, severe complications are rare. Pneumonia is said to be 1 in 20. That doesn't look bad when compared to the MMR II pre-licensing studies that got released this week. The studies show 40-50% of kids got upper respiratory infections and gastro-intestinal disorders after the MMR vaccine. That's a harsh trade-off for a virus that causes rash & fever in the common person and then gives you lifelong immunity. Unless you're immunocompromised, no reason to be scared of wild measles. + +​ + +>Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences + +​ + +>Those recent vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had a relatively common reaction to the vaccination and, due to proximity (locale and time) with an actual measles outbreak, were initial false-positives. + +Your argument is that these vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had the EXACT SAME PHYSICAL REACTION as the people that DID catch the measles at the SAME TIME & LOCATION of a measles outbreak? + +Maybe entertain the possibility of primary & secondary vaccine failure. Or viral shedding from other recent vaccinees. Your faith in this vaccine is strong my friend. + +​ + +Now the 1999 pilot. You got this wrong. And I'm the one that doesn't know how to read? + +>More data can do that. Weird how sample sizes work? + +Actually they looked at less data. The 1999 unpublished pilot looked at 400,000 infants in the VSD. Phase I of the 2004 published study only looked at 124,170 infants in the VSD. + +>Yep. Bigger sample size. + +Wrong again. In phase II, the most common disorders associated with exposure in phase I were re-evaluated among only 16,717 children. + +It's so obvious that they reduced the sample size to make the links to autism, sleep disorders, learning disabilities and speech delays in the 1999 pilot statistically less significant. Then they reduced it again. Wow. This is the same strategy Dr. William Thompson said he used with his team to bury the autism link during the famous 2004 MMR study. + +​ + +Furthermore, there's a massive ethical issue with the 1999 study. If you're the CDC, and you find data that points to a 762% increase in autism after the Hep B shot, you have a duty to disclose that to the public. The CDC is the health protection agency of the nation. + +They had multiple options: + +Hold a press conference and re-assure the public that a further study would be done immediately. (This study analyzed existing data in the VSD so they could literally have done this study with a computer in a few hours). + +Remove the Hep B vaccine indefintely for non-risk newborns until further study was completed. Only administer it to at-risk newborns if their mother tested positive for Hep B during pregnancy. It is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease given on the first day of life. It would have made zero difference. + +Either option would would have built public trust and strengthened the vaccine program. + +Instead, they hid the study. Then 5 years later, they reduce the sample sizes and publish a study ""proving"" everything was safe all along. + +Fortunately for us, the FOIA request has exposed the unpublished 1999 pilot. Now, the CDC loses credibility, and confirms people's suspicions that it cares more about protecting pharma profits and the reputation of vaccines than children's health. + +Thanks again for turning me onto the 2004 study. + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​ + +​",2019-04-05 19:29:55 +Comment,0,ek49q2s,,0,1554430197.0,"The problem is the calculations themselves and the idea that layperson napkin math is uncovering some ""truth"" hidden by trusted sources, or an ""error"" in their reporting. It's the attempt at synthesis of new information with no education background that makes Vaxfact itself a site of misinformation, which is supposed to be its antithesis. ",2019-04-05 05:09:57 +Comment,1,ek3zf86,,0,1554423402.0,"I created the Vaxfact site using references to reliable sources, I understand you don't like the way I did some calculations, but all the data I based the calculations on was from the CDC",2019-04-05 03:16:42 +Comment,1,ek3rpwr,,0,1554418287.0,">The information I provided is not wrong + +You've repeatedly said nonsensical and incorrect statements as well as ludicrous conclusions from otherwise innocuous sources. Some of your links are fine. Your ability to interpret them is supremely bad. + +>This proves that the measles outbreak was in part caused by the vaccine. + +It proves you don't know how to read. The outbreak in California was caused by the Phillipines strain as already referenced. What the paper you *just* referenced is talking about is the ability to discriminate between vaccine measles strains and pathogenic measles strains. Your source goes on to say: + +>>Since approximately 5% of recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine experience rash and fever which may be indistinguishable from measles (9), it is very important to identify vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary isolation of the patient, as well as the need for contact tracing and other labor-intensive public health interventions. + +And the part you liked to leave out, because you are dishonest and in over your head: + +>>Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data). + +>>Genotyping is used to confirm the origin of an outbreak and to exclude endemic circulation, but it is also the only way to distinguish vaccine strains from wild-type viruses. + +Those recent vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had a relatively common reaction to the vaccination and, due to proximity (locale and time) with an actual measles outbreak, were initial false-positives. + +>McNall contradicts that by explaining that vaccine strain reaction (rash & fever) is clinically indistinguishable from the natural disease. + +No they don't. How else, then, can the PCR test distinguish them if they are indistinguishable? How else, then, do public health authorities justify quarantine for those with measles rather than vaccination reactions? You know, like McNall says here: + +>>During measles outbreak investigations, rapid detection of measles vaccine reactions is necessary to avoid unnecessary public health interventions. + +And also in **the first line of the paper**: + +>>During measles outbreaks, it is important to be able to rapidly distinguish between measles cases and vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary outbreak response measures such as case isolation and contact investigations. + +>and CDC stating that the reaction of vaccine strain and wild strain is identical + +They don't. Even in *your source* they are clearly distinguishable. The measles component is twice attenuated and not pathogenic. It can cause a rash and fever. It does not cause CNS damage, immune repertoire depletion, or SSPE--hallmarks of pathogenic measles. + +>Also, thank you for showing me the 2004 Thimerosal study. You've uncovered something interesting. + +Wait, you mean the study that was only accessed by FOIA and was buried by the CDC, never to be released to the public? Yeah, imagine that... + +>The 1999 study + +Except it's a pilot study given a presentation. It wasn't a paper yet. Further data collection resulted in a complete study, published in 2004. + +>Oddly, the 2004 continuation study is the exact opposite. Titled Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two-Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases. + +More data can do that. Weird how sample sizes work? + +>In this ""Phase II"" study, they've re-analyzed the Phase I data and suddenly found no increased risks for autism or attention-deficit disorder. + +Yep. Bigger sample size. + +>Conclusions. No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes. Conflicting results were found at different HMOs for certain outcomes. For resolving the conflicting findings, studies with uniform neurodevelopmental assessments of children with a range of cumulative thimerosal exposures are needed. + +Next question for ya: what was the follow up result? Spoiler: you're going to be disappointed. + +>I have a feeling that you regard everything the CDC reports as unquestionably true + +Your feelings seem to be based on nothing but nonsense, as evidenced by the complete 180s you've been doing this whole conversation. + +>In 1999, CDC conducted their study, found incredibly concerning data, and instead of making it public, they decided not to publish. + +They published that study...you just ""read"" it. And by ""read"" of course we mean you skimmed the abstract. + +>In 2004, they published the continuation study that suddenly found that thimerosal was safe all along. + +Oh, OK. That and, I suppose, FDA testing showing ethylmercury doesn't have the safety profile it was assumed to have (i.e. worse than methylmercury). Read the testimony to congress. The concern was that ethylmercury was expected to be *worse* than methylmercury. And, lo and behold, it's not. + +Anything else? Anything you've maybe actually read?",2019-04-05 01:51:27 +Comment,1,ek3q3xm,,0,1554417159.0,"Basically nothing. + +>Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. + +According to no-one. Interesting hyothesis, but autimmunity to MBP is called multiple sclerosis. If these children had reactivity to it, they would have multiple sclerosis. + +>Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. + +Nonsensical reason. Literally makes no sense. + +>Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. + +Not really. These children don't have MS. + +>Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism. + +Great, then test that dumb hypothesis if you want.",2019-04-05 01:32:39 +Comment,0,ek3pc0s,,0,1554416607.0,"In this instance, yourself. Broader, that Vaxfact site. ",2019-04-05 01:23:27 +Comment,2,ek9n4w7,,0,1554608698.0,"Turns out hg is used to measure the pressure exerted by a column of mercury 1 inch (25.4 mm) in height at the standard acceleration of gravity. I live in south america so I dont know much about these types of measurements, so yeah, if that helps or if you know how to use hg against % of mercury please tell me, then I will be able to transfer it and tell you the comparison between mercury in food and mercury in vaccines.",2019-04-07 06:44:58 +Comment,3,ek9mr5t,,0,1554608370.0,"I’m still looking for the hg in vaccines, but I found a site with the hg in food. Here is the quotation and here is a link to the site. + +“Statewide average Hg concentrations in ppb were milk, 0.8; eggs, 12; beef muscle, 5; beef liver, 10; pork muscle, 11; pork liver, 15; head hair, 1708; soil, 30; rainwater and well water, less than one” + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1190840/ + +As for the hg in vaccines for comparison, I’m looking it up. When I find it I’ll send it to you",2019-04-07 06:39:30 +Comment,1,ek9lvxx,,0,1554607621.0,"You said there's more mercury in what I eat every day than in a vaccine. I don't eat tuna every day. So would you like to change your statment to ""There's mercury in tuna."" or are you sticking with ""There's more mercury in what I eat everyday than vaccines.""?",2019-04-07 06:27:01 +Comment,1,ek9nhbq,,0,1554608993.0,"Good. But lets say your statement holds, which I think it probably does- does it make sense to say it's the same when one is going through your digestive tract and the other is going directly into your blood? Definitely not, so it's a false equivalency isn't it.",2019-04-07 06:49:53 +No Heath Care and Side Effect?,1,myctlr,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/myctlr/no_heath_care_and_side_effect/,11,1619399943.0,They seem to be pushing a mandatory vaccination for COVID-19. There also seems to be several side effects and even a few deaths due to the vaccination. If I don’t have health insurance and I don’t qualify for Medicaid will I be covered if I have adverse side effects from the shot?,2021-04-26 04:19:03 +Magnetic Therapy and Covid Vaccines,4,mxn4an,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mxn4an/magnetic_therapy_and_covid_vaccines/,8,1619309729.0,"Hey all + +I was wondering if someone knew the affects of magnetic therapy and covid vaccines? + +My mother likes to get magnet therapy every so often. I personally don’t believe in it but she does. + +She recently got her first shot of Pfizer about 2 weeks ago and will get her 2nd shot in a few months. + +She’s thinking of going to get another magnet therapy session soon. + +Is there any risk if she does do it? Like would it affect the vaccine currently inside her?",2021-04-25 03:15:29 +tElEkInEtIc WaVeS,19,mkcxei,https://i.redd.it/nnl0k50bcar61.png,5,1617626979.0,tElEkInEtIc WaVeS,2021-04-05 15:49:39 +FACT: vaccines cause cancer.,0,mhma6j,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mhma6j/fact_vaccines_cause_cancer/,10,1617275285.0,"You guys don't know the impact this will cause to children. They will be damaged for life, believing they are unsafe in a land of lawless, ruthless scummy terrorists you call medical professionals. This is literally 1984, yet you sheeple call it 2021! What will help is natural medicines, and organic food. It causes cancer. Wake the hell up, know your facts.",2021-04-01 14:08:05 +Is My COVID Vaccine Response Linked to My Immunity Level?,7,mclbcb,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mclbcb/is_my_covid_vaccine_response_linked_to_my/,5,1616661209.0,My sister and I both got the Moderna vaccine (both doses) from the same lots on the same days. I am 57; she is 55. I had almost no side effects from either dose. My sister had fever of 102 and felt like she’d been run over by a truck after her 2nd dose. Does this mean my pre-existing immune system started out stronger and didn’t need to work as hard to mount a defense as my sister’s? Or does this mean my sister built up better immunity to COVID than I did since her body mounted a stronger response to the vaccine ?,2021-03-25 10:33:29 +Beyond the Vaccine with Celeste Solum,0,mcfqhn,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mcfqhn/beyond_the_vaccine_with_celeste_solum/,2,1616646399.0,"Do you ever wonder why we are given an experimental drug that injects unknown synthetic RNA for the first time ever into billions of people? It's not even approved by the FDA and pays no regard to previous laws and regulations put in place to avoid this level of dangerous and deadly unknowns. + +Watch our show with Celeste Solum at [https://uimedianetwork.org/en/playing/beyond-the-vaccine-with-celeste-solum](https://uimedianetwork.org/en/playing/beyond-the-vaccine-with-celeste-solum)",2021-03-25 06:26:39 +AntiVax Nonsense Nothing New,6,mbjh53,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/mbjh53/antivax_nonsense_nothing_new/,0,1616548122.0,"""Can any person say what may be the consequences of introducing a bestial humour into the human frame after a long lapse of years? Who knows beside, what ideas may rise, in the course of time, from a brutal fever having exercised its incongruous impression on the brain? Who knows also, that the human character may undergo strange mutations from quadruped sympathy; and that some modern Pasiphae may rival the fables of old."" +Benjamin Moseley (early antivaxxer objecting to Jenner's use of cowpox in preventing smallpox infection. Pasiphae was a mythological being, half-cow, half-human). Moseley seemed to be suggesting that giving people cowpox might turn them into cows. The resemblance to modern anti-vaxxer rhetoric is striking. Moseley too suggests implausible outcomes and sets them in the distant future so their absence now won't invalidate his argument. Quote derives from 1853 issue of Lancet as quoted in Berman, Antivaxxers:How to challenge a misinformed movement""",2021-03-24 03:08:42 +Pfizer covid vaccine second shot,9,m7hasc,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/m7hasc/pfizer_covid_vaccine_second_shot/,4,1616064278.0,"Hi, + +Just sharing my experience with the Pfizer Biontech 2nd dose covid vaccine. + +I received my 2nd shot yesterday around 630pm. This morning started like any other. I woke up at 630am, had my bkst, rode my bike up signal hill CA like I alway do, came back tobest, and all was peachy, around 1 pm, I felt extremely tired and bruised, my head started aching and I feel like I have a cold. Not trying to scare anyone, just plan your 2nd shot ahead of time.",2021-03-18 12:44:38 +"Now Casting COVID-19 Vaccine Volunteers, Freezer Truck Drivers, and Others!",6,lve7ps,https://i.redd.it/17k6kv3l6gk61.jpg,0,1614646739.0,"Now Casting COVID-19 Vaccine Volunteers, Freezer Truck Drivers, and Others!",2021-03-02 02:58:59 +Beer after corona vaccination,1,lt67lb,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/lt67lb/beer_after_corona_vaccination/,0,1614397967.0,"Hello hello people, +Yesterday I just got my first corona vacation shot. +What do you think If I drink some beers ? +Anyone knows if it somehow can kill me ? +Cheers !",2021-02-27 05:52:47 +Waiting for vaccine,0,ls25xp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ls25xp/waiting_for_vaccine/,2,1614271838.0,"The harsh reality is that particular countries choose not the most effective vaccine, bu the available one.Russia cannot confirm the high quality, efficiency and safety of Sputnik V using an independent scientific investigation +[https://defendingthetruth.com/threads/waiting-for-vaccine.127458/](https://defendingthetruth.com/threads/waiting-for-vaccine.127458/)",2021-02-25 18:50:38 +A great article: myths vs facts of the Covid vaccine,9,lngr0r,https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact%3famp=true,1,1613772658.0,A great article: myths vs facts of the Covid vaccine,2021-02-20 00:10:58 +"Vietnam's Covid-19 vaccine, Nanocovax effective on variants: university 'Vietnam is currently working on four Covid-19 vaccines produced by Nanogen, the Institute of Vaccines and Medical Biologicals..'",6,lgk3wu,https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-s-covid-19-vaccine-effective-on-variants-university-4233946.html,0,1612953875.0,"Vietnam's Covid-19 vaccine, Nanocovax effective on variants: university 'Vietnam is currently working on four Covid-19 vaccines produced by Nanogen, the Institute of Vaccines and Medical Biologicals..'",2021-02-10 12:44:35 +Pertussis,3,le3vep,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/le3vep/pertussis/,6,1612665963.0,"I am. 50+ male. I recently had to get a new round of vaccinations. The university I’m getting my masters at required it. I question having to be forced as a 50+ year old to re vaccinate. That is not my question though + +My question is...a month after getting mumps / rubella I believe it was a total of 3 shots. I got shingles. As it child I don’t remember having chicken pox. My siblings don’t remember either + +I don’t have any views about vaccines and their connection to anything other that making us healthier n general. Not look for conspiracy thoughts please. + +Does it make sense that I would get shingles after getting shots? + +Btw I did not get vaccinated against shingles. + +Any thought would be appreciated",2021-02-07 04:46:03 +"Sobre las vacunas para el COVID19, compilación de textos científicos y opinión personal.",4,lace91,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/lace91/sobre_las_vacunas_para_el_covid19_compilación_de/,1,1612238173.0,"A propósito de los comentarios que he leído y escuchado sobre las vacunas para el COVID19, pero sobre todo de la vacuna rusa Sputnik V, me he dado a la tarea de estudiar algunos textos científicos y hacer una compilación de los mismos para hacerlos de su conocimiento, a continuación les comparto + +**SOBRE LA VACUNA RUSA SPUTNIK V** +The Lancet, una de las revistas médicas más prestigiosas del mundo, publicó los resultados de los ensayos de la primera y la segunda fase de la vacuna rusa SPUTNIK V, que demostraron lo siguiente: + +1. La plataforma de vectores adenovirales humanos es eficaz, a pesar de las preocupaciones por la posibilidad de una inmunidad preexistente a los adenovirus. + +2. Se seleccionó la dosis segura óptima que permitió lograr una respuesta inmunitaria humoral y celular en el 100 % de los participantes, incluso en aquellos que habían tenido una infección con adenovirus. + +3. El uso de dos vectores diferentes permite lograr una respuesta inmune más efectiva. + +4. El nivel de anticuerpos contra el SARS-CoV-2 en voluntarios vacunados con Sputnik V fue entre 1,4 y 1,5 veces más alto que el nivel de anticuerpos en los pacientes que se habían recuperado del covid-19. + +5. Tiene una eficacia de 91.4 por ciento contra el virus SARS-CoV-2, y de 100 por ciento para evitar los cuadros graves de la enfermedad Covid-19. + +Al mismo tiempo, no se encontraron eventos adversos graves en los vacunados con Sputnik V, mientras que para otras vacunas, este parámetro oscila entre el 1 y el 25 por ciento. + +Varias otras empresas están utilizando también plataformas basadas en vectores adenovirales humanos para sus vacunas contra el covid-19, como por ejemplo Johnson & Johnson, que usa el vector Ad26, y la china CanSino, que emplea el Ad5 mientras que la Rusa SPUTNIK V utiliza dos vectores adenovirales, el Ad5 y el Ad26. + +Vale la pena mencionar que las plataformas para vacunas que usan otros países, como el vector de adenovirus de chimpancé (OXFORD-ASTRA ZENECA, quienes por cierto están estudiando la posibilidad de aplicar de manera conjunta su vacuna y la SPUTNIK V para incrementar su efectividad) o la tecnología de ARN (PFIZER-BIONTECH), nunca antes habían sido utilizadas en vacunas que hayan pasado la FASE 3. Tampoco han sido sometidas a estudios a largo plazo sobre sus posibles efectos secundarios en el cuerpo humano, como por ejemplo los riesgos de desarrollar complicaciones relacionadas con el cáncer o sus efectos sobre la fertilidad. + +**Las vacunas de ARN mensajero (PFIZER-BIONTECH-MODERNA).** +La mayor preocupación con este tipo de vacunas ha sido su inestabilidad, su baja eficiencia para introducirlas en las células y que expresen el antígeno. También ha preocupado el hecho de que el ARN puede estimular reacciones inmunológicas de tipo inflamatorio, por lo que todos estos factores han limitado en parte su desarrollo. El ARN es una molécula muy inestable que requiere condiciones de mantenimiento extremas (de menos 80℃), se degrada muy fácilmente por enzimas y no se internaliza de forma eficiente. + +Sin embargo, esta tecnología también tiene ventajas. Es relativamente más barata que otro tipo de vacunas y, sobre todo, permite diseñar una vacuna nueva en un tiempo récord. Una vez que se conoce el genoma del patógeno, en unas semanas se pueden producir los primeros prototipos vacunales, lo que la convierte en una excelente herramienta cuando aparece un patógeno nuevo para el que se necesita una vacuna con urgencia, como en una pandemia. En este caso, la rapidez es un beneficio mayor que el problema de su inestabilidad. Moderna fue capaz de diseñar su vacuna de ARNm contra SARS-CoV-2 tan solo seis semanas después de que el genoma del virus se hiciera público. + +**MI OPINIÓN.** +Por un lado la vacuna rusa aprovecha los modelos de vacunas ya probados, innova en el sentido de usar dos vectores en lugar de uno solo. Es un modelo que, si bien no tiene la efectividad que manifiestan en las vacunas de ARN mensajero, es más segura en términos de efectos secundarios adversos e igual de efectiva que la vacunas que todos conocemos hasta ahora y que nos hemos aplicado. + +Por el otro lado Pfizer y otras le apuestan al futuro y a lo económico, puede que en esta ocasión tengan tropezones pero el avance que van a lograr es un ahorro en años de investigación, aún así, como el resto de las vacunas, el reto será que en el mediano y largo plazo resulten eficaces y que sus efectos adversos sean mínimos para poder compararlas con el modelo tradicional de vacunas que, guste o no a políticos y villamelones, es eficaz y seguro. + +**¿CONCLUSIÓN?** +Me encuentro optimista, las vacunas contra el COVID19 comentadas en este texto han demostrado científicamente que podemos seguir confiando en la ciencia para resolver y prevenir problemas de salud como las pandemias. La competencia entre científicos es sana y provoca desarrollos alternativos, lo que nos permite tener varias respuestas a un mismo problema y con ello se abran posibilidades para tomar decisiones que, de acuerdo a cada país, pueden ser más adecuadas para cada uno. + +¿Guerra fría en pleno siglo XXI? + +FUENTES. +1. [https://www.thelancet.com/.../PIIS0140-6736(20.../fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR0VjZBvuesks49C8K0qoaIN6Bp3kelYldFvPe_y2QJ7ydNHCFXG97UYpoY) + +2. [https://theconversation.com/vacunas-de-arnm-un-mensaje-de...](https://theconversation.com/vacunas-de-arnm-un-mensaje-de-esperanza-152632?fbclid=IwAR1tw2HoPDMnOSk-SyKlAGyHnbSiL7EWKmnp-dHHH52cpdAzUezYEwyXyYQ) + +3. Imagen: Creador: Klubovy | Imagen propiedad de: Getty Images + +Copyright: Klubovy",2021-02-02 05:56:13 +"If someone tells you the vaccine contains a microchip, ask them what would be the point.",20,l7xuci,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/l7xuci/if_someone_tells_you_the_vaccine_contains_a/,12,1611968752.0,"For the sake of argument, let's assume that world government, Bill Gates or whoever else is ""really running things"" wants to secretly monitor the population. They already have the means to do this and most people voluntarily carry it around in our pockets. Smartphones can track not only your location but also your internet activity and your conversations. There would be nothing to be gained from the supposed microchip",2021-01-30 03:05:52 +When do we expect to see that the vaccine starts to slow down the pandemic in the US?,12,l5blq3,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/l5blq3/when_do_we_expect_to_see_that_the_vaccine_starts/,1,1611686813.0,"The data shows that more than 20 millions people have taken the first dose. +After how many people takes the vaccine will the pandemic starts to slow down? Any data or thoughts?",2021-01-26 20:46:53 +Homeopaths (and other SCAM practitioners) are peddling dangerous myths,13,l4k6sk,https://edzardernst.com/2021/01/homeopaths-and-other-scam-practitioners-are-peddling-dangerous-myths/,0,1611594731.0,Homeopaths (and other SCAM practitioners) are peddling dangerous myths,2021-01-25 19:12:11 +"*SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN*, verified and established FACTS to immediately shut down the arguments of an uneducated anti-vaxxer. This post contains facts that will help you win any vaccine debate.",5,kwt886,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kwt886/scientifically_proven_verified_and_established/,14,1610610299.0,"This comprehensive and thorough list of facts will help you to counter and win any vaccine debate. If an antivaxer is attacking you or making baseless/outlandish + unscientific claims, you can use this list of information to shut their arguments down immediately with facts: + +\-**Vaccines are extremely safe**: in fact, *no serious adverse events* (besides injection site pain/erythema) have ever actually been proven. + +\-Vaccine adverse events are notoriously **OVER** (not under!) reported. It is estimated by a Harvard study using data mining technology + VAERS reports that **adverse events are reported at 100x** (or more) the **rate that they actually occur.** + +\-One study found that **97% of ""adverse events""** from vaccines are actually **nocebo effects** (like the placebo effect, people believe/imagine they are having symptoms due to fear/expectation) + +\-Not **a single case of autism** has ever made it to higher courts, because the **autism + vaccine connection has an overwhelming amount of research debunking it.** + +\-in 1986, vaccine manufacturers took **on increased liability** for their product to reassure the public of safety: this is because research has proven without doubt that vaccines are **incredibly safe.** Despite manufacture liability, vaccine manufactures have never actually needed to pay out any amount for any purported ""injury"" claims. The evidence is overwhelming to **debunk these claims.** + +\-**Andrew Wakefield,** a public disgrace and conspiracist theorist with multiple agendas, is the **only physician or scientist** to have **ever published a medical paper criticizing vaccine safety**. His paper was later **retracted for fraud** and his licence **revoked**. + +\-**Vaccine inserts** list events that occur normally in populations and **do NOT prove any causative association** between vaccines and these purported ""events"". If the events listed in vaccine inserts actually \*caused\* these effects, billions in personal injury lawsuits would be paid out --> which is *not* the case! + +\-Unlike what antivaxers claim, it has been proven thoroughly that Gardasil is incredibly safe. The supposed ""injuries"" that circulate the internet in the form of horror stories can be explained psychologically by the phenomenon of mass psychogenic events, instigated by fear + the nocebo effect. + +\-The MMR does not cause any adverse neurological events or damage in the brains of laboratory animals, even at doses higher than used in humans. + +\-The cumulative effect of the entire vaccination schedule (72 doses in children by the age of 18 today, in 2020) has been completely and thoroughly investigated for safety, and no issues have been found. + +\-Vaccines have rigorous long-term safety studies for all potential of carcinogenicity, fertility, and long-term health adverse effects, and no issues have been found. + +\-Despite some ethical concerns raised, several vaccinated vs. unvaccinated studies have been conducted. It was found that vaccinated children have significantly lower rates of allergies, chronic health problems, and neurological issues. + +\-Vaccines are thought to have a potential neuroprotective and anti-cancer effect, which is still being studied. It is suspected that vaccines may prevent infertility, dementia, and cancer, although further investigation is needed. + +\-All clinical trials for vaccines use double-blinded trials with saline placebos, which is the gold standard in medical research. + +\-The FDA has an independent taxpayer-funded committee to examine and analyze all raw data from vaccine clinical trials. Scientists and data analysts conducting this research have extensive background testing to ensure no conflicts of interest in any pharmaceutical company. This debunks the myth of ""conflict of interest"" regarding vaccine manufacturers funding their own safety studies for FDA/CDC approval. + +\-There are comprehensive laws to prevent the myth of the “revolving door” phenomenon that anti-vaxers like to use as proof of government-pharmaceutical corruption. If a scientist/researcher who investigated vaccine safety has had any financial ties to a pharmaceutical company, they are disqualified from the vaccine approval committee. Similarly, once an individual has worked in the field of vaccine approval for the FDA/CDC, they are unable to accept positions as pharmaceutical-hired scientists. These laws prevent conflicts of interest between vaccine approval and pharmaceutical profit. + +\-Studies of vaccinated vs unvaccinated infants have thoroughly refuted any claims linking vaccines to SIDS. + +\-The USA has very high vaccination rates as well as one of the lowest rates of infant mortality in all developed nations. + +\-France, which has a notoriously high rate of vaccine hesitancy, has higher rates of autism, SIDS, and chronic illnesses than other developed countries of similar socioeconomic structure. + +\-Autism is “more prevalent” due to more advanced and specific diagnostic criteria. Once diagnostic criteria was established, people of older generations (age 50’s-80’s) were found to have nearly identical rates of autism to those of younger generations (age 40’s and under). + +**Source: CDC, WHO, and FDA.** + +If an antivaxer ever tries to argue with you about the safety of vaccines, this comprehensive list of facts will immediately shut down all their false claims and misunderstanding. Don’t let false information spread! Share this to anyone who needs to hear it. + +TL;DR: FACTS to fight + win any antivax debate.",2021-01-14 09:44:59 +"I’m Allergic to Penicillin, Will I Take the COVID Vaccine?",0,kw3ll2,https://medium.com/beingwell/im-allergic-to-penicillin-will-i-take-the-covid-vaccine-69d85d6613f0,9,1610522879.0,"I’m Allergic to Penicillin, Will I Take the COVID Vaccine?",2021-01-13 09:27:59 +Johnson & Johnson COVID phase 3 trial,8,kvirym,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kvirym/johnson_johnson_covid_phase_3_trial/,2,1610449162.0,"I got the J&J vaccine about 40 days ago in their phase 3 trial and don’t have any problems after some initial minor nerve pains in my legs. They closed the one shot trial but have a 2 shot trial still open so my wife got in that one and her first shot is in a few days so I’m hoping she gets the vaccine also and not the placebo. + +I looked at it as a way to get a vaccine earlier and it worked. But if I got the placebo, they said we would get the vaccine once it is approved so again I would’ve gotten it earlier. Or I could take another vaccine if one became available. + +My goal was to avoid catching COVID and get a vaccine. + +So these phase 3 trials from J&J and other companies are a way to get a chance to get a vaccine early.",2021-01-12 12:59:22 +"My parents got both doses of the Chinese covid vaccine but the Pfizer came out recently. Can they still take the Pfizer vaccine as well? If so, how much of a time gap should they keep",0,krl2zy,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/krl2zy/my_parents_got_both_doses_of_the_chinese_covid/,7,1609956570.0,"My 67 year old father (65 kgs, has hypertension, type two diabetes) has been inoculated with the inactivated sinovac COVID-19 Vaccine (both doses). He is not overweight and exercises regularly. We had to get him inoculated due to the increasing virus transmission rate as well as the easy access to the Chinese sinovac vaccines in our country. + +However, recently out country introduced the Pfizer vaccine and opened up access to elderly people. I would like my dad to get vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine as well as I trust it more that the sinovac vaccine, due to the level of peer reviewed research published on the former candidate. + +Please advise on if he is able to take the Pfizer vaccine as well. If so, please advise how long of a gap should he keep between the last dose of the Sinovac vaccine and the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. + +P.S. After inoculation of the Sinovac vaccine, my father did not experience and adverse effects or experience any side effects.",2021-01-06 20:09:30 +Vaccine,3,kpm95n,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kpm95n/vaccine/,1,1609715904.0,"​ + +https://preview.redd.it/mr1ba23vx4961.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a5cbeade983b7978c7136b7fdbc608898c2b278",2021-01-04 01:18:24 +Is it biologically possible to insert a 5G tracker into a human via a vaccine?,9,khzpug,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/khzpug/is_it_biologically_possible_to_insert_a_5g/,9,1608646779.0,"Although I don't believe this to be true about the COVID-19 vaccine, this recent conspiracy theory has got me thinking about this, can this even work? Wouldn't a tracker require a battery source? Would a microchip fit into a syringe?",2020-12-22 16:19:39 +Well this is sad,7,khtmqn,https://i.redd.it/cgks1zamqm661.jpg,1,1608624245.0,Well this is sad,2020-12-22 10:04:05 +Vaccines exposed,39,kfctnr,https://i.redd.it/3ebjmlp8uk561.jpg,4,1608289872.0,Vaccines exposed,2020-12-18 13:11:12 +COVID19 Vaccination sentiments survey,4,kdfi7x,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/kdfi7x/covid19_vaccination_sentiments_survey/,2,1608038330.0,"Dear all, + +We have prepared a short #survey, where you can express your opinion about the #COVID19Vaccine #CoronaVaccine. + +If you are living in the #USA, we will be grateful if you will participate and share: +[COVID19 Vaccination survey](https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=IYhnPFB3o0eTfyZhQ5q7eqGjfqSLSvhBqoV3r-scx2hUNkZGQlpBRDNMWTdTU1I0QUhESjhNWURPNC4u) + +#COVID19 #vaccine #vaccination #coronavirus #pandemic #covid #research #publichealth #health #medicine #covid19insights + +Thanks for taking and sharing this survey! + +The Investigators + +Prof. Abraham Seidmann, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA, +Dr. Arriel Benis and Prof. Shai Ashkenazi, Holon Institute of Technology, Tel-Aviv, Israel",2020-12-15 15:18:50 +"Officials confront challenges to get public to take COVID vaccine. 'A new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Monday found that more than 80% of Americans planned to get the vaccine, either when immediately available, or eventually. It signals growing confidence in the vaccine..'",2,kd1mf5,https://abcnews.go.com/Health/officials-confront-challenges-public-covid-vaccine/story?id=74708303,1,1607994432.0,"Officials confront challenges to get public to take COVID vaccine. 'A new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Monday found that more than 80% of Americans planned to get the vaccine, either when immediately available, or eventually. It signals growing confidence in the vaccine..'",2020-12-15 03:07:12 +Delicious,21,k8tios,https://i.redd.it/hy7qvpohzu361.jpg,1,1607416539.0,Delicious,2020-12-08 10:35:39 +The last COVID vaccine,0,k7z13k,https://youtu.be/v_hFsRJ3pqU,0,1607307998.0,The last COVID vaccine,2020-12-07 04:26:38 +"Is there any truth in this article that states, zero child out 562 didn’t develop adha, were 0006% did that were vaccinated.",3,k4ww49,https://informedchoicewa.org/news/its-here-the-vaxxed-vs-unvaxxed-study/?fbclid=IwAR3LG0IHlIGQdmIxEiB0b39VGKQbfHiX_iB0B2enLJDktJ-VKL_tuj9GvNg,7,1606893939.0,"Is there any truth in this article that states, zero child out 562 didn’t develop adha, were 0006% did that were vaccinated.",2020-12-02 09:25:39 +Measles – An overview,3,k0nnhw,https://medsphere.wordpress.com/2020/11/25/measles/,0,1606318462.0,Measles – An overview,2020-11-25 17:34:22 +Why Scientists & Public Health Officials Need To Address Vaccine Mistrust Instead of Dismissing it,5,jmopup,https://onlinemarketingscoops.com/why-scientists-public-health-officials-need-to-address-vaccine-mistrust-instead-of-dismissing-it/,0,1604357296.0,Why Scientists & Public Health Officials Need To Address Vaccine Mistrust Instead of Dismissing it,2020-11-03 00:48:16 +The future is ‘CLEAR’ and it’s Dystopian: Virus hype ushers in a Covid 19-84 nightmare of restricted access — RT Op-ed,0,i5gs97,https://www.rt.com/op-ed/497272-clear-health-pass-covid-dystopian/,1,1596845983.0,The future is ‘CLEAR’ and it’s Dystopian: Virus hype ushers in a Covid 19-84 nightmare of restricted access — RT Op-ed,2020-08-08 03:19:43 +Lol,1,i3ytpi,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/i3ytpi/lol/,0,1596630747.0,"​ + +https://preview.redd.it/der9arzr34f51.png?width=702&format=png&auto=webp&s=11b00743183670fbdda1773c6ae8dda5dd2ce5bc",2020-08-05 15:32:27 +Vaccine = Mind Control,16,htmgsa,https://i.redd.it/g9ona2hs2ob51.jpg,4,1595129158.0,Vaccine = Mind Control,2020-07-19 06:25:58 +Enough is enough,2,heokpe,https://youtu.be/VLfZhUCX86s,1,1592980100.0,Enough is enough,2020-06-24 09:28:20 +"I felt the need to question why this Anti Vaccine page spreads misinformation, Misinformation that can be so dangerous in the time of a pandemic",17,gqmbdm,https://i.redd.it/3ez33zl430151.jpg,3,1590480223.0,"I felt the need to question why this Anti Vaccine page spreads misinformation, Misinformation that can be so dangerous in the time of a pandemic",2020-05-26 11:03:43 +.,14,gosvog,https://i.redd.it/rvq3nab93e051.jpg,5,1590213915.0,.,2020-05-23 09:05:15 +If I drink alcohol the day before or the after the vaccine will it affect the vaccine?,7,gnivbp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/gnivbp/if_i_drink_alcohol_the_day_before_or_the_after/,1,1590034247.0,If I drink alcohol the day before or the after the vaccine will it affect the vaccine?,2020-05-21 07:10:47 +What is the mortality rate of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children right now?,4,gm03sw,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/gm03sw/what_is_the_mortality_rate_of_vaccinated_vs/,1,1589831921.0,What is the mortality rate of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children right now?,2020-05-18 22:58:41 +"I'm not necessarily anti-vaccine but we need to talk about the specific companies that are distributing them, freely and openly",0,gk7vy5,https://i.redd.it/v55j8ufy5xy41.png,8,1589573182.0,"I'm not necessarily anti-vaccine but we need to talk about the specific companies that are distributing them, freely and openly",2020-05-15 23:06:22 +Why some common arguments about autism don't work,0,gfivrb,/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/gfhov5/why_some_common_arguments_about_autism_dont_work/,5,1588926914.0,Why some common arguments about autism don't work,2020-05-08 11:35:14 +Why are the world’s top vaccine promoters frantically warning us about the unique and frightening dangers inherent in developing a coronavirus vaccine?,0,g1zp4n,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/g1zp4n/why_are_the_worlds_top_vaccine_promoters/,1,1587010220.0,"From: + +[https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/heres-why-bill-gates-wants-indemnity-are-you-willing-to-take-the-risk/](https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/heres-why-bill-gates-wants-indemnity-are-you-willing-to-take-the-risk/) + +​ + +Why are the world’s top vaccine promoters, like Paul Offit and Peter Hotez, frantically warning us about the unique and frightening dangers inherent in developing a coronavirus vaccine? + +Scientists first attempted to [develop coronavirus vaccines](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22536382) after China’s 2002 SARS-CoV outbreak. Teams of US & foreign scientists vaccinated animals with the four most promising vaccines. At first, the experiment seemed successful as all the animals developed a robust antibody response to coronavirus. However, when the scientists exposed the vaccinated animals to the wild virus, the results were horrifying. Vaccinated animals [suffered hyper-immune responses](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22536382) including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs. Researchers had seen this same “enhanced immune response” during human testing of the [failed RSV vaccine tests](https://cvi.asm.org/content/23/3/189) in the 1960s. [Two children died](https://cvi.asm.org/content/23/3/189). + +In this video footage, Offit, Hotez and even Anthony Fauci (in an unguarded moment), warn that any new coronavirus vaccine could trigger lethal immune reactions “vaccine enhancement” when vaccinated people come in contact with the wild virus. Instead of proceeding with caution, Fauci has made the reckless choice to [fast track](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200316005666/en/Moderna-Announces-Participant-Dosed-NIH-led-Phase-1) vaccines, partially [funded by Gates](https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/bill-gates-says-foundation-will-invest-billions-fight-stop-covid-19/MMAFTSVGKZHPTEGYKEQKMRWTWU/), without critical [animal studies](https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11/researchers-rush-to-start-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-without-usual-animal-testing/) before moving into human clinical trials that could provide early warning of runaway immune response. + +Gates (in the video) is so worried about the danger of adverse events that he says vaccines shouldn’t be distributed until governments [agree to indemnity](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/09/watch-cnbcs-full-interview-with-microsoft-co-founder-bill-gates-on-past-pandemic-warnings.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.Mail&fbclid=IwAR0RG79OtbdXUpY_ylULT6sY_Xo5D-cBQ0awSo6vGS19VnLGqB9z)against lawsuits. On February 4, 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) [website](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html), there were only [11 active CV cases](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html) in the USA, yet the U.S. quietly pushed through [Federal regulations](https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/prepact/Pages/COVID19.aspx) giving coronavirus vaccine makers full immunity from liability. + +​ + +""...""",2020-04-16 07:10:20 +Have you heard any myth about Coronavirus Vaccine?,1,fuaq4z,https://i.redd.it/mu49q1ducmq41.jpg,1,1585957660.0,Have you heard any myth about Coronavirus Vaccine?,2020-04-04 02:47:40 +Is There Any Vaccine Available For Coronavirus (COVID-19)?,2,fua146,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/fua146/is_there_any_vaccine_available_for_coronavirus/,2,1585955274.0,Novel Coronavirus is a big threat to the world and all the doctors are trying to make the vaccine of COVID-19. But there is no such dedicated and preventive [coronavirus vaccine](https://lifestyleheart.com/is-there-any-vaccine-available-for-coronavirus-covid-19/) is available in the world medical centers.,2020-04-04 02:07:54 +Check this out 😊,6,frbw72,https://www.facebook.com/102941431365157/posts/103010051358295/,0,1585539822.0,Check this out 😊,2020-03-30 06:43:42 +Now where are those people who says vaccine are bad we don't have vaccine for covid 19 and whole world is fucked up,10,fqzmys,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/fqzmys/now_where_are_those_people_who_says_vaccine_are/,1,1585484079.0,Now where are those people who says vaccine are bad we don't have vaccine for covid 19 and whole world is fucked up,2020-03-29 15:14:39 +Is my daughter safe?,6,fmsids,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/fmsids/is_my_daughter_safe/,21,1584874088.0,"This might be a stupid question, and forgive me but I would very much like to know. My daughter is 2, up to date on vaccines, no underlying health issues. Is she fully protected from the diseases she is vaccinated for? Do I need to worry about if she is around unvaccinated children? I don’t know all of the vaccine arguments and debates, but I do know I believe in them and they save lives. Any info would be appreciated",2020-03-22 12:48:08 +"Having a youtube comment debate, how do I respond to this?",5,fl6mot,https://i.redd.it/hcfyu45obln41.png,4,1584635500.0,"Having a youtube comment debate, how do I respond to this?",2020-03-19 18:31:40 +Supreme court antivax case,8,ffx8bp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ffx8bp/supreme_court_antivax_case/,11,1583799832.0,So a nurse friend of mine is antivax(idk how she gets a job). She posted some cdc vs icandecide supreme court case. I'm trying to find formation about the case but cant find anything online except for what she provided. Apparently the ruling was that the cdc doesnt have any proof that vaccines did not cause autism. Any help or clarification?,2020-03-10 02:23:52 +How ironic,30,feb0wn,https://i.redd.it/3p53rb7hs0l41.jpg,3,1583515179.0,How ironic,2020-03-06 19:19:39 +Hmm,19,f1w9rj,https://i.redd.it/hnu1yiwbo5g41.png,1,1581395078.0,Hmm,2020-02-11 06:24:38 +Are vaccines made by pompous people?,0,f05tlq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/f05tlq/are_vaccines_made_by_pompous_people/,15,1581081472.0,"Is it more likely that Corona and other viruses like SARS, Avian and ZIKA + +are man-made diseases implanted through vaccinations years in advance inadvertantly + +that are triggered when common diseases infect the contaminated cells? + +_ can blind faith in medical practices and practioners be our ultimate demise.",2020-02-07 15:17:52 +Anti-Vaccine Points Refuted A Thousand Times,13,ewsgky,https://vaxopedia.org/2018/07/29/anti-vaccine-points-refuted-a-thousand-times/,0,1580523379.0,Anti-Vaccine Points Refuted A Thousand Times,2020-02-01 04:16:19 +My mom is adamant that there are aborted fetus cells in vaccines,15,ewfixs,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ewfixs/my_mom_is_adamant_that_there_are_aborted_fetus/,11,1580459376.0,Are there really? Can someone explain to me why this scare started and give sources that suggest otherwise?,2020-01-31 10:29:36 +Does the Vitamin K Shot Contain 100mcg of Aluminum?,10,evbvpj,https://vaxopedia.org/2018/08/25/does-the-vitamin-k-shot-contain-100mcg-of-aluminum/,6,1580275437.0,Does the Vitamin K Shot Contain 100mcg of Aluminum?,2020-01-29 07:23:57 +Is 100% of Injected Aluminum Absorbed?,2,evbtzu,https://vaxopedia.org/2019/08/21/is-all-injected-aluminum-absorbed/,3,1580275254.0,Is 100% of Injected Aluminum Absorbed?,2020-01-29 07:20:54 +I’m having a debate and I can’t find any links online,3,etjlw2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/etjlw2/im_having_a_debate_and_i_cant_find_any_links/,5,1579942127.0,"So my question is do getting vaccines boost your overall immune system and helping fight off diseases, bacterial infections, and viruses?",2020-01-25 10:48:47 +Anti-Vaxer Harassment,1,eqknqd,https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200117/cincinnati-pediatrician-created-viral-tiktok-video-supporting-vaccinations-then-things-got-ugly,0,1579402944.0,Anti-Vaxer Harassment,2020-01-19 05:02:24 +What should I say to my sister who keeps sending me crap like this??,13,enrmmu,https://i.redd.it/2a9b21etaea41.jpg,20,1578884407.0,What should I say to my sister who keeps sending me crap like this??,2020-01-13 05:00:07 +Vaccines DO CAUSE AUTISM,0,en62e6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/en62e6/vaccines_do_cause_autism/,9,1578768719.0,My wonderful daughter hailey got what seems like autism from vaccines she got! 1 vaccine made her autistic and the doctor lied to us saying she wouldn’t become autistic. we are now curing her autism with essential oils like lavender and using crystals to purify her mind and spirit,2020-01-11 20:51:59 +Vaccinate folks.,24,em2eo8,https://i.redd.it/nvz6th3ynn941.jpg,7,1578561937.0,Vaccinate folks.,2020-01-09 11:25:37 +STROKE AFTER FLU SHOT,0,ejon4x,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ejon4x/stroke_after_flu_shot/,8,1578126807.0,A girl I work with had two strokes after getting a flue shot. Has any one else heard of this?,2020-01-04 10:33:27 +The World Health Organization Are Hypocrites,3,eixjck,https://youtu.be/X7_O-ynxenI,22,1577996184.0,The World Health Organization Are Hypocrites,2020-01-02 22:16:24 +"How I left the antivax movement and took others with me, and what we need to do to counter unscientific thinking",9,ehzxhg,/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/ehji1f/how_i_left_the_antivax_movement_and_took_others/,0,1577807742.0,"How I left the antivax movement and took others with me, and what we need to do to counter unscientific thinking",2019-12-31 17:55:42 +Common vaccine fallacies to avoid,1,eg7m7g,/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/chwrg7/common_vaccine_fallacies_to_avoid/,3,1577457298.0,Common vaccine fallacies to avoid,2019-12-27 16:34:58 +Anti vax billboard in my town!!! Help,25,eetdr4,https://i.redd.it/fq5lp10r8h641.jpg,18,1577176643.0,Anti vax billboard in my town!!! Help,2019-12-24 10:37:23 +Do you guys think it's alright to censor anti-vaccination information? If it's such bullshit why bother?,4,ea6zt6,https://i.redd.it/ri2h6p64of441.png,49,1576286989.0,Do you guys think it's alright to censor anti-vaccination information? If it's such bullshit why bother?,2019-12-14 03:29:49 +Can't fix stupid.,8,ea4yvg,https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaxxers-refuse-leave-nj-transit-meeting-despite-being-told-theyre-protesting-wrong-place-1477063,0,1576277724.0,Can't fix stupid.,2019-12-14 00:55:24 +A vaccine debate group juts started up. If you’re interested in joining.,0,e83687,https://www.facebook.com/groups/445000352804849/?ref=share,4,1575885382.0,A vaccine debate group juts started up. If you’re interested in joining.,2019-12-09 11:56:22 +Brave Baby Yoda.,20,e758iq,https://i.redd.it/svaea3xm43341.jpg,5,1575698218.0,Brave Baby Yoda.,2019-12-07 07:56:58 +To the Kevin whomst this message is directed,6,e29q5r,https://i.redd.it/ul2wpkgrb5141.jpg,4,1574853132.0,To the Kevin whomst this message is directed,2019-11-27 13:12:12 +Do live vaccines shed?,4,e229g6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/e229g6/do_live_vaccines_shed/,10,1574822294.0,"After you get a live vaccine do you need to stay away from elderly / newborns / immunocompromised? I can't find any solid studies that show vaccines can spread disease. In fact, all I can find are studies debunking this. But sources say *in theory* it could happen. So just curious if anyone has better info or links to help me out",2019-11-27 04:38:14 +A mom friend is excited her kids got chicken pox,10,e1l9oc,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/e1l9oc/a_mom_friend_is_excited_her_kids_got_chicken_pox/,5,1574739253.0,"I posted this on the antivaxxers too because I don’t know where it belongs. + +I guess i have many questions. + + + +Why is this mom excited about the chicken pox? + + + +Is it not dangerous? + + + +What do anti vaxxers believe that would make getting the chicken pox exciting? + + + +My kids are both fully vaccinated (4 and 2 years old), are they protected? + + + +My husband never got the chicken pox but got a vaccine when he was a kid, is he protected? + + + +I am pregnant but had them as a kid, am i protected? + + + +Arent your risk of getting shingles greatly increased if you have had the chicken pox? + + + +If anti vaxxers get excited that your body builds natural immunity after having the disease, isnt that what vaccines do for your body except your never ""sick""? + + + +Bonus, she posted about it and many moms commented how happy they are her and that they wish they were closer so they could go over. I was very confused and also didn't realized i knew this many moms that believed this lol..",2019-11-26 05:34:13 +Anyone able to help with a uk university survey?,6,e144c2,https://forms.gle/ZtxQZQSj3zqbZA7U9,1,1574656134.0,Anyone able to help with a uk university survey?,2019-11-25 06:28:54 +Anti-Vax Nurse?!,7,dwwffd,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dwwffd/antivax_nurse/,27,1573878552.0,"Sorry if this is the wrong sub, but I don’t know where else to post this. + +My dad is dying of congestive heart failure. He has temporary home healthcare due to procedures he just had done on his heart, and the latest nurse shared that she believes in the autism-vaccine link as well as “bad chemicals hurting people”, and she agrees with her daughter about delaying vaccines for the grandkids. My dad is also anti-vax. I brought up vaccines hoping that she could talk some sense into my dad about getting a pneumonia vaccine but instead ran into this baffling BS. It’s so frustrating. My dad is already hard headed enough. + +I’m starting to get frustrated with nurses and PAs stepping on doctors’ orders after talking to my dad for less than 30 minutes and taking a brief history. The last PA he saw also cleared him to stop taking one of his heart failure medications that his cardiologist prescribed. We had to badger him into taking his meds after that. I can only hope his cardiologist talked some sense into him today.",2019-11-16 06:29:12 +Need help with an anti-vaxxer on Reddit,7,dtu0rj,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dtu0rj/need_help_with_an_antivaxxer_on_reddit/,32,1573321779.0,"Hi all. + +They’re saying things like double-blind studies and aluminium and have provided sources and stuff but I don’t know how to combat that and I most CERTAINLY don’t want to walk away from this with a little bit of doubt about vaccines, just because I didn’t know enough to hold a discussion about it, but I also don’t want to cling to a belief even when I’m presented with good evidence. Problem is, I don’t know if it’s good bloody evidence! + +Where can I get sources? Would anybody who knows more about the subject matter like to ‘casually’ step in to the argument? I feel like an audience member in a debate and I’ve just been made to take part!",2019-11-09 19:49:39 +Do you know that vaccines contain Dihydrogen Monoxide?,17,dp6z4z,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dp6z4z/do_you_know_that_vaccines_contain_dihydrogen/,6,1572472092.0,It’s true!,2019-10-30 23:48:12 +Any studies on how much ethylmercury is acceptable in injections?,5,doyqqk,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/doyqqk/any_studies_on_how_much_ethylmercury_is/,24,1572422638.0,"I'm compiling evidence against a website, www.learntherisk.org, to educate some antivax friends on vaccines.",2019-10-30 10:03:58 +Vaccines are bad and we should ban them,16,dnsss8,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dnsss8/vaccines_are_bad_and_we_should_ban_them/,8,1572209493.0,"Vaccinated people live long enough to be adults and adults are meanies + +Signed by: +Three 8 year olds in a Trenchcoat",2019-10-27 22:51:33 +Myth: No Studies Compare the Health of Unvaccinated and Vaccinated People,16,dl428r,https://thoughtscapism.com/2015/04/10/myth-no-studies-compare-the-health-of-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people/?fbclid=IwAR1v1HQ-jOwzwTfzBWUXQaH2dUOJLC6nIAJfY6mvOmLC1DljdA8sL8FttK4,1,1571708579.0,Myth: No Studies Compare the Health of Unvaccinated and Vaccinated People,2019-10-22 04:42:59 +An unvaccinated child's EKG be like:,15,dk5aqy,https://i.redd.it/ycb6v9froit31.jpg,8,1571528108.0,An unvaccinated child's EKG be like:,2019-10-20 02:35:08 +BEWARE! Vaccines contain a deadly chemical called DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!,15,dcylei,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/dcylei/beware_vaccines_contain_a_deadly_chemical_called/,16,1570171642.0,"Dihydrogen monoxide is a deadly chemical that causes excess sweating, urination, and even death!! Read the ingredients people!!!",2019-10-04 09:47:22 +Why they use Mercury in vaccines?,9,d73fc2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/d73fc2/why_they_use_mercury_in_vaccines/,18,1569053701.0,"I want to be humble and open minded and I'm skeptical. +I'm asking in this place bc I don't know where to start. +First of all I have 2 boys one is 6 (I stopped following the schedule of vaccination) the other is 6 months (never vaccinated). +Please excuse my English. +BEFORE you jump with your outraged let me clarify why I'm doing this PERHAPS I'm wrong, people won't realized many ""anti-vaxxers"" are just normal parents unsure of what is the right thing to do and they just don't trust institution for good reasons but all of them are being ridiculized with memes for example, this type of behavior reminds me discussions from circumcised people (supposedly an advantageous practice) fluoride in the water (recently scientifically proven to reduce iq in children), the supposed benefits of Masturbation and porn consumption when I personally have a life changing experience with NOFAP while when you Google Masturbation first page shows articles from the Huffpos, Bustler etc..about the wonders of said habit. + +Add this my own personal experience and people I know irl, in my quest for knowledge I found my own vaccination schedule, I got 27 vaccines before I was 18! Mumps, chicken pox, measles included, ironically I got these 3 diseases anyway, mumps at 6, chicken pox at 19 measles at 9-10. + +Even worst I'm autistic irl something I'm not proud of (I live in perpetual embarrassment) this only adds more sceptisim honestly I wanted to learn from ""both sides"" but most ""pro-vaccination"" people seems to be unconcerned individuals who only enjoy making jokes and memes about the whole subject I use to be like that until the day I was a father, I have no doubts there are people working to improve the world but let's not forget sometimes science takes a while to catch on maybe they just don't know any better the bad news pharmaceutical companies do have motives to promote vaccination just check the cost of each unit your government have to pay.",2019-09-21 11:15:01 +I need help debunking this,2,cwfzcc,https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157381142528490&id=111877548489,1,1566996054.0,I need help debunking this,2019-08-28 15:40:54 +This is how vaccines were linked to autism,11,cuzm3a,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cuzm3a/this_is_how_vaccines_were_linked_to_autism/,12,1566712137.0,"It stemmed from an article published by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues back in the 1998 in the UK. + +In the study, Wakefield looked at 12 children with gastrointestinal issues also had neurological deficits. Eight of those children received the MMR vaccine. He concluded the article saying they couldn't prove a connection between the MMR vaccine and the gastrointestinal issues because the evidence is inadequate. Nowhere in the article he said there was a link between autism and the vaccine, until Wakefield claimed that it did in a press conferences. + +His article was published in *the Lancet*, a well-known medicinal journal, and he was known to be a prestigious and highly regarded doctor( he's the doctor who identify the cause of Crohn's disease), so when the public heard of the vaccine-autism link, the public ate it up, fear arose, and vaccination rates dropped. + +The article and his claims are farfetch once you look at the detail. First, the size of his studies was too small, only 12 children, making any connection seem statistically significant. There was only a few variables were studies and according to him, those 12 children exhibited forms of autism (the symptoms were not akin to autism). Not only that, his study didn't have the Ethical Practice Committee approve the study, which is necessary to ensure that the research doesn't harm its participants. + +What's worse it that it was discovered after much denial that Wakefield was being funded $800,000 by a personal injury lawyer named Richard Barr, who needed evidence that autism was caused by vaccine for cases of parents of autistic children who were suing pharmaceutical companies for compensation. Five of the 12 children were even clients of Barr. Wakefield's collaborators didn't even know about the money and were furious enough to retract their names for the study. But Wakefield had another motive. He advocated that vaccines need to be safe and tells the public that the current MMR vaccine isn't safe. Prior to his study, he was applying for a vaccine patent, he wanted to make his own MMR vaccine and wanted to get rid of the completion. + +Wakefield had his medical license evoked in 2005. This should have been the end of the myth, but sadly no. He moved to the USA and is still highly regarded by people. Now his MMR and autism phase is dying down, but his new topic takes the spotlight, mercury in vaccines.",2019-08-25 08:48:57 +For those concerned about thimerosal,2,cuzfzp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cuzfzp/for_those_concerned_about_thimerosal/,1,1566711300.0,"Everyone knows that mercury is harmful of the body as it is classified as a neurotoxin. So the thought of thimerosal being injected into our children and our bodies is concerning, since it does contain some mercury. + +But mercury has different forms. The one that is dangerous is methylmercury. In terms of chemistry, it is the combination of a mercury atom to one carbon atom. It is known to be very dangerous to all living beings. Out of all forms of mercury, methylmercury is absorbed the easily and can even cross the blood brain barrier. Since, there are tiny tiny doses of it in contaminated food, like fish, which is why pregnant women are told to avoid seafood. + +I wanted to clarify that methylmercury was never used in vaccines. While thimerosal does have mercury, it is not methylmercury. It is ethlymercury. + +Ethlymercury has two carbon atoms, instead of one, which drastically changes its properties and abilities. Due to its size, it's hard for it to cross the blood brain barrier and it's quickly excreted. + +Despite this, in 2002, thimerosal was removed from nearly all vaccines due to, not under the prove that it is harmful, but the idea that is has the potential for harm from the general public. This might have been due because of an article called ""Autism: A Novel Form of Mercury Poisoning"" . It was published by a group of parents in the 2001 that linked autism to mercury poisoning and the thimerosal was to blame. This article was not reviewed by any medical or scientific professionals, but it stirred up the public enough for the preservative to be removed.",2019-08-25 08:35:00 +For any parents concerned about the ingredients in vaccines,11,cuz8mq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cuz8mq/for_any_parents_concerned_about_the_ingredients/,11,1566710262.0,"When reading the ingredients that are in vaccines, it is understanding why many parents want to avoid preservatives with names like aluminum hydroxide and formaldehyde. But without those preservatives, vaccines will have a very short shelf life and then afterward inefficient. Parents may question if that's enough reason to expose their children to poison. I wanted to reassure and inform that those ingredients are harmless, despite its name and known uses, because of its dosage. + +Anything in the world can act as a poison or be completely harmless depending on the dosage. So just because something sounds good or bad doesn't mean that any dosage of it remains so. For example, too much vitamin A can actually poison you and damage your liver. + +Here is a list of some ingredients in vaccines and their dosage, as well as some usages: + +* Aluminum hydroxide: Used as a adjuvant (helps with efficacy of vaccine) in the DTap (0.625 mg). Also used antacids and in infant formula (0.225 mg per liter). +* Formaldehyde: Prevent growth of harmful bacteria in vaccine. All vaccine combined has 1.2 mg of it, while 1 kg of bananas has 16.3 mg. +* Monosodium Glutamate: Help preserve vaccines and used as a flavor enhancer. Some flu vaccines contain 0.188 mg of MSG, while grape juice can contain 0.258 mg per 100 grams. +* Sodium Chloride: Another name for salt and some vaccine have them to keep them in a state that will not badly affect the cells. +* Sorbitol: Preservative, found naturally in fruits, and also used a sweetener in sugar-free products. MMR vaccine has 15 mg and 1 stick of sugar-free gum has 1.25 g.",2019-08-25 08:17:42 +Seeking help to inform an anti vaxxer who may be convinced otherwise.,6,coam4c,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/coam4c/seeking_help_to_inform_an_anti_vaxxer_who_may_be/,11,1565423706.0,"Hello, I have a friend pregnant with her first baby and she's afraid of vaccinating her baby, however she just seems to have seen only one or two videos and might be swayed. I'm not good at finding good links and resources. If ylu guys would help that would be bomb. I dunno if she believes the autism thing but to cover the major myths I think would be good to start? Km not good at reddit so if there's a thread I should read a link will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!",2019-08-10 10:55:06 +This is one of the best explanations I've ever read about the moment an anti-vaxxer experienced an epiphany & realized that everything they thought they knew about vaccines were false after lab test results debunked their beliefs about vaccines.,26,cm32s0,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cm32s0/this_is_one_of_the_best_explanations_ive_ever/,15,1564989227.0,"​ + +https://preview.redd.it/x1zr9qxkeie31.png?width=597&format=png&auto=webp&s=c1cf44bdac7cb6709f564e335607e29445f7ee70 + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/39k74geueie31.png?width=557&format=png&auto=webp&s=9da0ea22b7761f94bda08626345d208b0cd3c272 + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/tyao7ypveie31.png?width=593&format=png&auto=webp&s=16ba5eecad3b33c5ea0a4e92a7774272c46d31cc + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/1p7sf4qweie31.png?width=586&format=png&auto=webp&s=e3d8874c19c22d7bf670219bb39001915c0cc3d4",2019-08-05 10:13:47 +Ask an anti-vaxxer?,9,cccdvh,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cccdvh/ask_an_antivaxxer/,9,1562974476.0,Is there anywhere/any subs where anti-vaxxers and pro-van people can talk in good faith? I’m trying to understand their arguments and rationales but I’m really not into online arguments.,2019-07-13 02:34:36 +"Saying vaccines cause autism, is not the same as saying ""Vaccines are bad, stop them!""",0,cb0ebr,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/cb0ebr/saying_vaccines_cause_autism_is_not_the_same_as/,22,1562705100.0,"It may or may not be this. + +It could simply mean ""they do cause autism, and this is an issue, it doesn't mean vaccines must be taken off schedule right now. or ever, but it must be talked about."" + +So if anyone does claim they do, just remember, that they are only claiming one thing. Not anything else.",2019-07-09 23:45:00 +"Took this from one of my textbooks at UNI - if anyone says they don’t believe vaccines work, send them this",11,c83yra,https://i.redd.it/bhe77vw53t731.jpg,0,1562065385.0,"Took this from one of my textbooks at UNI - if anyone says they don’t believe vaccines work, send them this",2019-07-02 14:03:05 +Vaccines have a huge side effect,31,by5sm2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/by5sm2/vaccines_have_a_huge_side_effect/,13,1560010595.0,"Vaccines have a huge side effect, vaccines are shots filled with heavy metals that will cause this side effect which is + + + + + + + +It allows me to grow to a adult.",2019-06-08 19:16:35 +I almost died of vaccination,0,bu2j8m,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bu2j8m/i_almost_died_of_vaccination/,15,1559091833.0,"my mom gave me a vaccine at 7 and I almost died and I saw jesus and he told me +""Child you are a moron"" +And since then I pee sitting and poo poo standing",2019-05-29 04:03:53 +VACCINES ARE SO GOOD I CAN GROW TO BE AN ADULT WITH THEM!,12,bs2zvq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bs2zvq/vaccines_are_so_good_i_can_grow_to_be_an_adult/,2,1558647175.0,VACCINES ARE SO GOOD I CAN GROW TO BE AN ADULT WITH THEM!,2019-05-24 00:32:55 +"Anti-vaxxing, or expired antibodies?",14,bm6kr0,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bm6kr0/antivaxxing_or_expired_antibodies/,13,1557357825.0,"I'm 49, and just had a Measles titre. I have no antibodies left from my childhood immunization, and therefore must be re-inoculated. + +I also found out that a titre on my Chicken pox vaccination from 15 years ago, I'm left without any antibodies either. I've never had Chickenpox. + +Why has the media not caught on to the concept that the resurgence may not just be about anti-vaxxers? It might seem that a good deal of this might have to do with us older Americans running out of antibodies.",2019-05-09 02:23:45 +"Non vaccinated children (not just MMR, I mean 0 vaccines) ratio to Autism.",8,bk3dp9,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bk3dp9/non_vaccinated_children_not_just_mmr_i_mean_0/,31,1556879392.0,"Hello people! + +I am trying to find studies that show no causation/correlation between absolutely non-vaccinated vs fully vaxxed children and the ratio to autism in both groups (not just MMR, I mean non vaxxed at all). Or simply the ratio between those that have autism but have 0 vaccines on them. This would be the nail-in-the-coffin for my wife to show her, ""Lady, here you go"". The problem is that everything I find so far is only focusing on MMR/Rubella shots... which is kind a lame because is still comparing vaxxed vs vaxxed, just ones have not had the MMR shot yet... + +Can anyone point me to something like this? + +Thanks in advance!",2019-05-03 13:29:52 +Vacvimes cause Autism: YOU NEED TO READ!,0,bigdzp,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bigdzp/vacvimes_cause_autism_you_need_to_read/,25,1556516177.0,"Everyone on this sub that's not here for a joke are retarded. Like, sorry that I had to say it, but how dumb do you have to be to not want your child to live? Are you actually that intellectually challenged? Your child needs to suffer due to you having some problem with a medical shot that is known to prevent disease. Well,survival of the god damn fittest, when my kid is eating the food your kid could've eaten if they were in a family that relies on facts and evidence instead of phony ""studies"", I'll be laughing my ass off.",2019-04-29 08:36:17 +Wait Wakefield said what?,0,bh5d1p,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bh5d1p/wait_wakefield_said_what/,32,1556202412.0,"Can't wait to see your disqualificarion of this truth on all the usual websites. + +If vaccines are so safe and effective why does the industry need to tell lies? The local news just advertised 1 in 4 measles patients needs to be hospitalized... + +According to + +https://www.autism-watch.org/news/lancet.shtml + +In 2004, ten of the study's authors issued a ""retraction"" which stated: ""We wish to make it clear that in this paper no causal link was established between MMR vaccine and autism as the data were insufficient."" + +So just how different is that from the studies conclusion? See for yourself - + +""We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described. Virological studies are underway that may help to resolve this issue. + +If there is a causal link between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and this syndrome, a rising incidence might be anticipated after the introduction of this vaccine in the UK in 1988... + + +....We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine."" + +Isn't the 2004 ""retraction"" Saying the same thing as the study? Nothing was proved. + +The study was published in 1998.. It was retracted a very long time later. Why did it take so long? + +Some of the claims of fraudulent activities aim at Dr. Wakefield's payment to be a witness or a supposed link to an application for a vaccine patent. +Have you seen how much money Dr Offit and Plotkin make from all the vaccines. They have the patent on the R in MMR yet they are often called as witness against Dr Wakefield or give expert witness for a news report. +These two are part of the vaccine club, they are luteal millionaires as a result of vaccines and if Dr Wakefield's credibility is questioned over a 55 thousand pound payment and possible vaccine patent how much more should these other two be muted.",2019-04-25 17:26:52 +"I'm sorry, just gotta say this",10,bdxm3p,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/bdxm3p/im_sorry_just_gotta_say_this/,5,1555469348.0,"Sorry, promise I'm not attention seeking when I say some of this, it is relevant... + +I was in a horrendous RTA 3 years ago, in which I sustained a fractured skull, bruised lung, lacerated scalp and two brain injuries. As a result I was in an induced coma for two weeks and only started being minimally aware after 5 months, in hospital for 13. + +I only started learning of the anti-vaxx movement 6 months ago. And I just don't quite understand... + +How are people THAT stupid? To think that vaccines are, in essence, ""BAD?"" I don't even care what retaliation I get from anti-vaxxers. They can say anything they want if they are really that idiotic!",2019-04-17 05:49:08 +Myth: 1 in 1000 measles cases are fatal,7,b8jhk7,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b8jhk7/myth_1_in_1000_measles_cases_are_fatal/,32,1554241895.0,"The 1 in 1000 fatality rate from measles is a known calculation error by the CDC. + +It's actually closer to 1 in 10,000 or 0.01% of cases. + +To put it in perspective, 1 in 10,000 is the same probability of getting struck by lightning in your lifetime. (Howstuffworks.com) + +Proof: https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/critical-calculation-error-in-background-information-for-hearing-on-vaccines-save-lives-what-is-driving-preventable-disease-outbreaks-on-march-5-2019/ + +Prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963, “there were an estimated 3 to 4 million people infected with measles in the United States, and as many as 500 related deaths each year,” which is correct. However, this computes to a number of deaths which, at most, is one in 6,000 (3,000,000 divided by 500). More precisely, between 1959 and 1962, about 400 measles deaths occurred among about 4,000,000 measles cases, which results in a one in 10,000 (0.01%) chance of a child dying from measles, not one in 500 or one in 1,000. By comparison, over 23,000 infant deaths occur every year in the U.S. and thus the chance of a child dying in his or her first year of life is currently one in 170 (0.6%)—this is 60 times the risk of a child dying from measles in 1962, a time period when almost every child had measles by age 15. + +The reason this calculation error unfortunately commonly occurs is because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publishes case-fatality rates based on the number of reported cases only. And, since it is estimated that nearly 90% of measles cases are benign and therefore not reported to the CDC, the widely publicized measles case-fatality rate is a 10-fold miscalculation. Such an error has grave public health consequences. + +1 in 10,000 lightning strike odds: +https://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/death-dying/odds-of-death.htm + +",2019-04-03 00:51:35 +"Myth- ""There is no thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines.""",2,b3twz4,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/b3twz4/myth_there_is_no_thimerosal_mercury_in_vaccines/,166,1553220838.0,"and yet... +https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm + +""Flu vaccines in multi-dose vials contain thimerosal to safeguard against contamination of the vial. Most single-dose vials and pre-filled syringes of flu shot and the nasal spray flu vaccine do not contain a preservative because they are intended to be used once.""",2019-03-22 04:13:58 +Mandatory Vaccinations,0,azmxh6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/azmxh6/mandatory_vaccinations/,39,1552294913.0,"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) strongly opposes federal interference in medical decisions, including mandated vaccines. + +IwAR14tPRiZV1l6KSINFXguIacuJBr68XytbAnxGDNYhGw1q_jjiCkCH_QLBQ",2019-03-11 11:01:53 +Herd Immunity is it really achievable?,1,azlm88,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/azlm88/herd_immunity_is_it_really_achievable/,17,1552287102.0," +In 1933, Dr. Arthur W. Hedrich, a health officer in Chicago, IL observed that during 1900-1930, outbreaks of measles in Boston, MA appeared to be suppressed when 68% of the children contracted the virus.3 Subsequently in the 1930s, Dr. Hedrich observed that after 55% of the child population of Baltimore, MD acquired measles, the rest of the population appeared to be protected. It was that observation that formed the basis for mass vaccination campaigns.4 + +When the mass vaccination campaign for measles in the U.S. began in earnest in the mid-1960s, the U.S. Public Health Service planned to vaccinate over 55% (based on the Baltimore observation) of the U.S. population, and it announced that it fully expected to eradicate measles by 1967. When that didn’t happen, the Public Health Service came up with vaccination rate figures of 70-75% as the way to ensure herd immunity. When eradication was still not achieved at those rates, public health officials jacked up the rates to 80%, 83%, 85%, and ultimately to 90%. + +The process by which the decisions to raise the rates is unclear. Was it based on some scientific methodology or assumptions? Or were the decisions simply made because officials felt pressure to fulfill their promises to fully eradicate measles? Did they ever consider pausing and re-evaluating the original premise behind the theory of herd immunity? Or did they trudge on, arbitrarily raising the bar? + +Now the rate is up to 95% to achieve herd immunity. But as we see with the continual outbreaks, even at 95% we still do not have full immunity. In China, the vaccination rates are even higher—99%. But there are also still measles outbreaks there.  So is the answer 100%? And what if at 100% you still get outbreaks? We’ve gone from herd immunity supposedly achieved at 55% to herd immunity that is clearly not achieved even at 95%. At what point will public health officials have to confront the possibility that herd immunity may not be the best theory on which to base vaccination policy? + +3 - Hedrich AW. Estimates of the child population susceptible to measles, 1900-1930. Am. J. Hyg. 17:613-630. + +4 - Oxford Journals. Monthly Estimates of the Child Population “Susceptible” to Measles, 1900-1931. Baltimore, MD. Am. J. Epidemiol.17(3):613-636. + +5 - Ji S. Why Is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?. GreenMedInfo.com Sept. 20, 2014 +",2019-03-11 08:51:42 +Help Debunking this?,2,axguvs,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/axguvs/help_debunking_this/,5,1551788415.0,"So I posted something in the comments of a news article trying to explain how babies are exposed to way more antigens daily than are in the entire childhood vaccine schedule and that our immune systems respond to vaccines the same way and some anti-vax mom commented saying +“Actually, no. The immune system doesn't respond the same way. There is T1/T2 skew and T1/T17 skew as well as humoral vs cellular immunity to consider based upon the immune system's first contact with the pathogen.” +I’m not quite sure what she’s talking about or how to respond with facts. I prefer to try to educate rather than just go “you’re wrong” even though I know psychologically it probably won’t change anyone’s mind. I did find this link talking about vaccines: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3238379/ +Still I don’t know how to respond when I have no idea what she’s talking about ",2019-03-05 14:20:15 +Why?,7,atpl34,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/atpl34/why/,9,1550913963.0,"So my 2 month old niece has been in the hospital for over a week with whooping cough. She obviously hasn't gotten vaccinated but the only people she has been around have been, everyone and she hadn't been out her home since she left the hospital after being born. So if everyone around her got the vaccine why did she get it?",2019-02-23 11:26:03 +"Dear Anti Vaccination movement,",20,at83m8,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/at83m8/dear_anti_vaccination_movement/,74,1550810203.0,"First of all, to not give your child vaccinations is completely illegal. Secondly, the fact that vaccines cause things like autism is bull crap. Autism is a condition that happens at birth. While the exact cause of autism is unknown, there is no scientific evidence that states vaccinations cause autism. Lastly, vaccinations contain very weak forms of the virus the vaccination protects you against. Your body produces white blood cells to fight against these forms and produces the right antibodies for it. So if it ever got back into your body, you have the antibodies ready. +Sincerely, +MY816 + +Edit: Jesus I made this to make a point. Not to start fucking world war 3 in the comments",2019-02-22 06:36:43 +Do not give a platform for anti-vaxxers to propagate.,34,apmakx,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/apmakx/do_not_give_a_platform_for_antivaxxers_to/,5,1549955048.0,"I am of the mind to report social media groups that identify as anti-vaxxers as dangerous and miss-leading. + +Whether it’s a YouTube video or a Facebook Page, etc. + +My thinking is that such groups simply become more and more influential through confirmation bias and thus promote more people towards dangerous actions. + +When you visit these groups the degree of critical thinking and criticism drops because every statement no matter how ridiculous reinforces the same misleading theme that vaccines are bad. + +So now the claims are not just vaccines cause autism, it’s vaccines cause cancer, diabetes, Down syndrome, depression, genetic mutations, and so forth. + +And yes I have read all these ridiculous claims made by anti-vaxxers. + +The evolving implied insanity is becoming that vaccines cause disease! + +My thought is that these anti-vaxxers do not deserve a social media platform to further nurture their growing ignorance. + +I encourage everyone to report all anti-vaxxers social media groups as ‘misleading’ and ‘potentials dangerous.’ + +Because there actions affect us, not just them!",2019-02-12 09:04:08 +My podcast will be discussing vaccinations and I need your help!,7,ali5am,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ali5am/my_podcast_will_be_discussing_vaccinations_and_i/,5,1548914830.0,"Hey all, on my podcast we will be discussing vaccinations on an upcoming episode and I will be helming the pro vaccination discussion. I don’t want to come across brash by just taking the stance of ‘you’re a moron if you don’t get your kids vaccinated’ rather I would like to have plenty of facts and information to back myself up. So if you have any of that, please feel free to link whatever you’d like. ",2019-01-31 08:07:10 +My podcast will be discussing vaccinations and I need your help,5,ali10a,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ali10a/my_podcast_will_be_discussing_vaccinations_and_i/,0,1548914183.0,"Hey all, on my podcast we will be discussing vaccinations on an upcoming episode and I will be helming the pro vaccination discussion. I don’t want to come across brash by just taking the stance of ‘you’re a moron if you don’t get your kids vaccinated’ rather I would like to have plenty of facts and information to back myself up. So if you have any of that, please feel free to link whatever you’d like. ",2019-01-31 07:56:23 +Vaccine Survey,0,ak5ziq,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ak5ziq/vaccine_survey/,5,1548571329.0,"Hi guys! I was wondering if you could help me out with my research project! It would really help me out if you could take the time to fill it out. + +Here's the link: + +[https://goo.gl/forms/p8m8y3rZjOOuxWnE3](https://goo.gl/forms/p8m8y3rZjOOuxWnE3)",2019-01-27 08:42:09 +....,2,ajb0d6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ajb0d6/_/,2,1548353310.0,"Vaccinate your kid guys. No more of this. ....no more,",2019-01-24 20:08:30 +Vax,1,aj95zn,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/aj95zn/vax/,34,1548336132.0,So if your telling me that vaccines are bad then why does the government still say we should get them why do some schools require them why would they lie there is no point. The thing is they don’t like they are good vaccines are deeply tested and researched and it Can take some times 15 years for the vaccinations to reach the public. So if they hurt then your telling me all that research and testing was wrong and your stupid essential oils is right. Just one more question would you rather have you kid die of polio or have autism ,2019-01-24 15:22:12 +5 Products you should Have Before you get your Next Vaccine,2,afvif8,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/afvif8/5_products_you_should_have_before_you_get_your/,12,1547499076.0,"Vaccine products are a contentious topic in our current society, with everyone having a steadfast opinion on whether they are for it or against it. + +While neither are side will budge on their stance, it makes it all the more difficult for an average person to get an unbiased and helpful outlook towards vaccine products when they are on the fence on whether to get vaccinated, whether it’s for themselves or their children. + +​ + +https://preview.redd.it/xr7rfn0zxda21.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=64f980a97449d402f8f0d9b2d63bfab18dc93044 + +Many schools, as well as countries, are making it compulsory that individuals receive Vaccine products at regular intervals for protection against various miscellaneous diseases and infections. Many people, however, are still apprehensive about vaccination. + +Before you allow your doctor to inject a concoction of chemicals into their body their bloodstreams you [should be aware of the pros and cons of the vaccine otherwise](https://www.seekandread.com/advantages-disadvantages-vaccinations/) vaccines can be very frightening. + +They don’t wish to opt for vaccination without receiving ample information about what these chemicals constitute and whether or not they can have harmful side effects. + +## What is a Vaccine? + +Read more: [https://www.seekandread.com/5-products-you-should-have-before-you-get-your-next-vaccine/](https://www.seekandread.com/5-products-you-should-have-before-you-get-your-next-vaccine/)",2019-01-14 22:51:16 +Why do vaccines contain Mercury and nickel ?,6,aeh78h,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/aeh78h/why_do_vaccines_contain_mercury_and_nickel/,30,1547138314.0,Why do vaccines contain Mercury and nickel ?,2019-01-10 18:38:34 +Wasn't vaccinated as a child,19,ac21o2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/ac21o2/wasnt_vaccinated_as_a_child/,24,1546519304.0,"My mom is EXTREMELY anti-vax, and swears that she will never let me get any as long as she lives. Whenever I bring up the topic she will cherry pick articles from the internet showing that vaccines cause autism and brain damage. I can’t reason with her because she believes everything pro-vaccine is from the government and pharmaceutical companies. Unfortunately, I get the flu every year and got chicken pox last year. I would definitely like to stay on the safe and get at least some vaccinations, what should I do? I am 15, can I legally get vaccines without parental consent? + + +",2019-01-03 14:41:44 +"If the evidence isn't on your side, submit a blog to one of HenryCorp's 300 subs that are used to spam anti-vaxx ideology and ban users/scientists/physicians from disagreeing.",5,aalfnu,https://np.reddit.com/r/bioscience/comments/a9ze74/this_industry_document_a_1271page_confidential/,1,1546121010.0,"If the evidence isn't on your side, submit a blog to one of HenryCorp's 300 subs that are used to spam anti-vaxx ideology and ban users/scientists/physicians from disagreeing.",2018-12-30 00:03:30 +"I need help. I have someone, anti-vaxxer, I’m debating with bringing up Epi Studies as a clear link between autism and vaccinations.... what are they talking about? Does anybody here have the debunk for these Epi Study arguments? Cheers!",5,a1mg80,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/a1mg80/i_need_help_i_have_someone_antivaxxer_im_debating/,20,1543561106.0,"I need help. I have someone, anti-vaxxer, I’m debating with bringing up Epi Studies as a clear link between autism and vaccinations.... what are they talking about? Does anybody here have the debunk for these Epi Study arguments? Cheers!",2018-11-30 08:58:26 +Oh no! I got vaccinated!,27,9z5wxf,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/9z5wxf/oh_no_i_got_vaccinated/,6,1542854102.0," + + +And I'm completely fine, do some research lol.",2018-11-22 04:35:02 +Please check out my blog exposing the myths behind vaccines,10,95r3jk,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/95r3jk/please_check_out_my_blog_exposing_the_myths/,3,1533798724.0,"Made for the lay public. [https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/](https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/) + +Discusses vaccines and other topics. + +Great if you love sarcasm. And please share if you love it (or even if you hate it).",2018-08-09 10:12:04 +Can we please spill the tea on vaccines?,4,95i6p1,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/95i6p1/can_we_please_spill_the_tea_on_vaccines/,0,1533724922.0,This article says it all! [https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/](https://scienceandsarcasm.org/spilling-the-tea-on-vaccines/),2018-08-08 13:42:02 +Please sign my petition to give Wakefield the measles,12,91716y,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/91716y/please_sign_my_petition_to_give_wakefield_the/,4,1532381100.0,"We aren't literally giving him measles just letting him know we don't like him or his ideas. I'd appreciate it if you could help me get this going! Thanks. + + +https://www.change.org/p/media-vaxxed-com-give-andrew-wakefield-the-measles?recruiter=248828706&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition",2018-07-24 00:25:00 +Relationship status: vaccinated,11,8mtt5c,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/8mtt5c/relationship_status_vaccinated/,2,1527573940.0,"I am +⚪️ single +⚪️ taken +🔘 vaccinated ",2018-05-29 09:05:40 +How does an unvaccinated child present a risk to a vaccinated child? I doubt I'll get a reasoned response. Edit: Herd Immunity has nothing to do with my question.,0,8migoi,https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8mh669/how_fake_science_is_costing_lives_the_malign_rise/dznpdm4/,49,1527463784.0,How does an unvaccinated child present a risk to a vaccinated child? I doubt I'll get a reasoned response. Edit: Herd Immunity has nothing to do with my question.,2018-05-28 02:29:44 +‘Police State’ Registry System Being Set Up to Track Your Vaccination Status,4,7y6qy9,https://www.march-against-monsanto.com/police-state-registry-system-being-set-up-to-track-your-vaccination-status/,2,1518904533.0,‘Police State’ Registry System Being Set Up to Track Your Vaccination Status,2018-02-17 23:55:33 +"Uh, what?!? From an anti-vax millennial on my newsfeed...",19,7gb4ep,https://i.redd.it/1g7m6rrxvu001.jpg,3,1511964621.0,"Uh, what?!? From an anti-vax millennial on my newsfeed...",2017-11-29 16:10:21 +No. Big pharma has more than one employee. It takes more than one person to create a plan. To take over subs which compete with big pharma. To remove posts or make the sub private.,7,70xy6r,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/70rs2t/at_least_five_holistic_health_subs_have_been/dn6j3rz/,2,1505796962.0,No. Big pharma has more than one employee. It takes more than one person to create a plan. To take over subs which compete with big pharma. To remove posts or make the sub private.,2017-09-19 07:56:02 +"March Against Monsanto Showing Their True, Scientifically Ignorant Colors",21,6yqeqj,https://i.redd.it/57d76rpr7jkz.jpg,11,1504849808.0,"March Against Monsanto Showing Their True, Scientifically Ignorant Colors",2017-09-08 08:50:08 +Damn hipsters!,15,6xbx2v,https://i.redd.it/il8orjb8v6jz.jpg,0,1504264401.0,Damn hipsters!,2017-09-01 14:13:21 +The corrupt industry goes to great lengths to accurately recount all of the proof vaccines are harmful.,5,6x6okx,https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/6x04kh/iama_professor_of_microbiology_at_boston/dmcyxs8/,15,1504213034.0,The corrupt industry goes to great lengths to accurately recount all of the proof vaccines are harmful.,2017-08-31 23:57:14 +The vast majority have stood up to peer review and haven't been redacted like Wakefield's. Maybe the science isn't as settled as you're lead to believe?,4,6t4eg8,https://np.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/6kv6uu/you_cant_pick_and_choose_which_science_you/djqtpca/,2,1502516636.0,The vast majority have stood up to peer review and haven't been redacted like Wakefield's. Maybe the science isn't as settled as you're lead to believe?,2017-08-12 08:43:56 +And the Gish is Galloping!!,8,6ob6w6,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6o1ggy/vaccine_shills_challenge_refute_all_this/,1,1500524247.0,And the Gish is Galloping!!,2017-07-20 07:17:27 +Bigger Pharma,7,6k4oml,http://sizzle.af/i/8792309,1,1498723410.0,Bigger Pharma,2017-06-29 11:03:30 +Autism Symptoms in Pets Rise as Pet Vaccination Rates Rise,1,64jdcb,http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2017/04/autism-symptoms-in-pets-rise-as-pet-vaccination-rates-rise/,1,1491857382.0,Autism Symptoms in Pets Rise as Pet Vaccination Rates Rise,2017-04-10 23:49:42 +Vegan mother forced by High Court to vaccinate her children,11,642mfl,http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vegan-mother-vaccinate-children-high-court-toxin-free-kids-mmr-anti-vaxxer-a7670881.html,2,1491622638.0,Vegan mother forced by High Court to vaccinate her children,2017-04-08 06:37:18 +"The Truth About Vaccines. FREE Online Program, from April 12 to 18 (USA)",0,63uef6,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/63uef6/the_truth_about_vaccines_free_online_program_from/,8,1491528344.0,"Did you know that actors like ""Robert Deniro"" or ""Jim Carrey"" are demanding an investigation about vaccines and the autism epidemic in the USA? + +The Untold Story About Vaccines... especially if you have kids or grand kids under the age of 5. Would Doctors still continue vaccinating babies if they knew this data? + +More than 60 doctors, scientists, and researchers join together to give you the complete information no one is telling you about vaccines. Question like: Do vaccines cause autism or brain damage? Are so many vaccines necessary? What are the benefits and risks? + +This is the great health “controversy” of the 21st century and every single mother, expectant parent, physician, nurse, medical researcher, representative of the media, elected official, school administrator and concerned citizen should watch and share this Free Online Event. + +http://www.primal.es/vaccines.html +",2017-04-07 04:25:44 +World Health Organization (WHO) identifies websites with reliable information on vaccine safety at vaccinesafetynet.org.,5,5zl34q,http://www.vaccinesafetynet.org,1,1489630659.0,World Health Organization (WHO) identifies websites with reliable information on vaccine safety at vaccinesafetynet.org.,2017-03-16 04:17:39 +"[+17] There are numerous instances of the wrong flu strains being targeted. Indeed, it's more common than not.",3,5v16ev,https://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/5usq5w/cmv_vaccination_should_be_mandatory/ddwnnei/,7,1487575816.0,"[+17] There are numerous instances of the wrong flu strains being targeted. Indeed, it's more common than not.",2017-02-20 09:30:16 +"Has anyone got any critique of this PDF by Jeff Prager ""The history of the global vaccination program in 1000 peer reviewed reports and studies""",2,5ttjf2,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/5ttjf2/has_anyone_got_any_critique_of_this_pdf_by_jeff/,3,1487029472.0,"Currently having a conversation on facebook with a woman who is a total antivaxer. +Her friend has just dropped this PDF on me with its supposed 1000 peer reviewed papers proving the autism link. + +Googling isnt bringing much up about the legitimacy of it and because its facebook I dont want to invest too much time reading 1000 pages, Which I suspect is her way of shutting me down. + +Has anyone seen this before? + +http://vaccine-injury.info/pdf/vaccinepeerreview.pdf +",2017-02-14 01:44:32 +Fake News: Trump DID NOT Sign Executive Order Banning Childhood Vaccinations | Lead Stories,5,5sls78,http://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3150308-fake-news-trump-did-not-sign-executive-order-banning-childhood-vaccinations.html,0,1486507817.0,Fake News: Trump DID NOT Sign Executive Order Banning Childhood Vaccinations | Lead Stories,2017-02-08 00:50:17 +War on Vaccines,6,5shgcb,https://sciencemom.net/2017/02/05/vaccine-preventable-diseases-on-the-rise-because-of-anti-vaxxers/,4,1486449171.0,War on Vaccines,2017-02-07 08:32:51 +Vaxxed movie being pulled is proof Big Pharma is not willing to engage in unethical double-blind studies with vaccines.,9,5qqcr8,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5qio5r/vaxxed_pulled_from_private_screening_at_uk_cinema/,1,1485671479.0,Vaxxed movie being pulled is proof Big Pharma is not willing to engage in unethical double-blind studies with vaccines.,2017-01-29 08:31:19 +Bill Gates is funding a new initiative... and the antivaxxers come out of the woodwork in the comment section.,5,5p4pt4,https://www.facebook.com/nytimes/videos/10151052642379999/,1,1484957133.0,Bill Gates is funding a new initiative... and the antivaxxers come out of the woodwork in the comment section.,2017-01-21 02:05:33 +A NAP Case for Childhood Mandatory Vaccination,2,5ou9o9,http://www.lnnpolitics.com/single-post/2017/01/17/A-NAP-Case-for-Childhood-Mandatory-Vaccination,0,1484825473.0,A NAP Case for Childhood Mandatory Vaccination,2017-01-19 13:31:13 +Vaccine Critic Kennedy Set to Chair Trump Panel on Vaccination Safety,6,5ncq53,https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-critic-kennedy-set-to-chair-trump-panel-on-vaccination-safety/,1,1484176946.0,Vaccine Critic Kennedy Set to Chair Trump Panel on Vaccination Safety,2017-01-12 01:22:26 +TIL that tetanus is not dangerous because it's only found in animal excrement...,6,5evh45,https://np.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/5eum1i/ysk_that_in_the_us_you_can_get_a_tetanus_shot/dafc55r,1,1480132974.0,TIL that tetanus is not dangerous because it's only found in animal excrement...,2016-11-26 06:02:54 +Flu shots aren't really true vaccines... I trust my immune system for now.,5,5bcar1,https://np.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/5ba202/good_job_antivaxxers_you_did_it/d9n2rms/,1,1478410488.0,Flu shots aren't really true vaccines... I trust my immune system for now.,2016-11-06 07:34:48 +This is very sad. Everybody knows that vaccines are dangerous. These nurses are heroes.,3,58kz8q,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/58ja9q/australian_nurses_who_spread_antivaccination/d915omb/,1,1477046195.0,This is very sad. Everybody knows that vaccines are dangerous. These nurses are heroes.,2016-10-21 13:36:35 +New apparent anti-vaccine strategy: What study? Ignore all information. It will disappear like magic.,9,561f0e,https://i.reddituploads.com/8c19e52f461241c3a03a586ca062d390?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=35b488e39a00787e04b4f69ad5288fb4,3,1475725861.0,New apparent anti-vaccine strategy: What study? Ignore all information. It will disappear like magic.,2016-10-06 06:51:01 +This is not fear-mongering,4,53rob0,http://np.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/53rn4w/colony_collapse_disorder_igfarb_descendants_and/,4,1474463988.0,This is not fear-mongering,2016-09-21 16:19:48 +What are the anti-vax arguments regarding older children / teens?,5,51isrw,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/51isrw/what_are_the_antivax_arguments_regarding_older/,0,1473241412.0,"My ex-wife is a strident anti-vaxxer, while I am pro-vaccination. Our children, aged 10 and 12, are not vaccinated. + +I’m trying to get info from anti-vaxxers in order to prepare myself for an upcoming discussion/argument about whether or not to vaccinate our children as mandated by the state so that they can enroll in school. (as opposed to having her home-school them, or having her make good on her threats to move to another state with the kids if the current law is not repealed). + +My main question: the majority of anti-vaccine arguments I've read revolve around increased risks for infant autism, and around adverse reactions in children under 3 years old. I would like to know what are the main reasons put forth by the anti-vax community regarding keeping older children from getting vaccinated?",2016-09-07 12:43:32 +I explained (with sources) that death/disability following vaccination was literally one-in-a-million,15,4zzueh,http://imgur.com/N6yS8mW,6,1472426998.0,I explained (with sources) that death/disability following vaccination was literally one-in-a-million,2016-08-29 02:29:58 +"The $150,000 Vaccine Challenge « Science-Based Medicine",4,4y5l1m,https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-150000-vaccine-challenge/,1,1471469576.0,"The $150,000 Vaccine Challenge « Science-Based Medicine",2016-08-18 00:32:56 +Hillary earns our recommendation for President,13,4ubmff,https://i.redd.it/0c7gcd1jy3bx.jpg,3,1469361400.0,Hillary earns our recommendation for President,2016-07-24 14:56:40 +"Yeah, no vaccines dont work do your research. At best they put you at risk for health problems.",4,4r1j6f,http://np.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/4r0avz/can_we_make_an_effort_to_eliminate_pseudoscience/d4xdyo8,2,1467570591.0,"Yeah, no vaccines dont work do your research. At best they put you at risk for health problems.",2016-07-03 21:29:51 +"vaccines not only do not work but they are also lethal, but yeah okay.",7,4r1j2x,http://np.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/4r0avz/can_we_make_an_effort_to_eliminate_pseudoscience/d4xba7p,0,1467570523.0,"vaccines not only do not work but they are also lethal, but yeah okay.",2016-07-03 21:28:43 +"Mother is forcing me to go see ""VAXXED"" in theaters. What do I need to know?",14,4nir8v,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/4nir8v/mother_is_forcing_me_to_go_see_vaxxed_in_theaters/,9,1465625743.0,"My mother is adamantly an anti-vaxxer and I've been in many discussions , most heated, about vaccines. I've learned not to challenge her on it because it's gotten me nowhere but she views my beliefs as a personal attack on her directly. She runs a supplements company and has traveled the world teaching about the dangers of vaccines and how it caused my youngest brother to get autism. It's actually the entire basis of why she's a Trump supporter because of his stance on the issue, but that's another issue entirely. + + I know the basis of the argument for vaccines (herd-immunity, diseases are worse etc) but our discussions always boil down to sources and generally what or who to believe. She has the assumption that all CDC sympathetic media or articles are in the pockets of big pharma so they can make all their profits through vaccines. I anticipate this being the crux of the argument following this movie. I don't believe I will break through to her but I do hope to get a better understanding of the issue before I go into 2 hours of full propaganda, then to be bombarded with questions. + +Here's a link of a bunch of articles she views as ""proof"" of what she believes: + +http://vaccinepapers.org/ + + I've gone through most of it and don't really know what to make of them. There's a lot of prefacing for the studies that are mentioned but like I said, I'm no expert. What do some of you make of these links and/or what valuable information can you give me before going to see ""VAXXED""? + +Edit: So I went to see the movie and most of it isn't about what you think. Rather it's about the CDC coverup of the study that showed correlation between autism and the MMR. It's actually really compelling on that front and I urge those of you to go and watch it for yourselves and then come back to discuss what you saw. Don't just take my word for it.",2016-06-11 09:15:43 +‘Vaxxed’: Anti-Vaccination Film Pulled From Tribeca Film Festival,12,4gw6ip,http://deadline.com/2016/03/robert-de-niro-vaxxed-tribeca-film-festival-statement-1201726799/,0,1461907214.0,‘Vaxxed’: Anti-Vaccination Film Pulled From Tribeca Film Festival,2016-04-29 08:20:14 +I Need to Detox Because I Held a Vaccinated Baby,16,49401t,http://imgur.com/a/4pmKO,8,1457237956.0,I Need to Detox Because I Held a Vaccinated Baby,2016-03-06 06:19:16 +Mother Beats Cancer With JUICING After Told She Only Had Two Weeks To Live... HOLY SHITOLY BATMAN! WE HAVE A BULLSHIT ALTERT,8,48zag9,http://worldtruth.tv/mother-beats-cancer-with-juicing-after-told-she-only-had-two-weeks-to-live/,1,1457154059.0,Mother Beats Cancer With JUICING After Told She Only Had Two Weeks To Live... HOLY SHITOLY BATMAN! WE HAVE A BULLSHIT ALTERT,2016-03-05 07:00:59 +What the everloving fuck is this shit,10,48d8ze,https://truthkings.com/is-stephen-hawking-a-vaccine-injury/,1,1456817341.0,What the everloving fuck is this shit,2016-03-01 09:29:01 +Scratch my nose,24,44mmhs,http://i.imgur.com/egkCws6.png,0,1454896056.0,Scratch my nose,2016-02-08 03:47:36 +The Zika Virus isn't the problem- it's the vaccine (obviously),6,43owpw,https://www.facebook.com/IFLPsuedoSci/posts/947925065293182,0,1454369234.0,The Zika Virus isn't the problem- it's the vaccine (obviously),2016-02-02 01:27:14 +"Joseph Mercola on vaccinations - ""If you have a healthy lifestyle, exposure to nearly all of these infectious agents will ultimately make you healthy and stronger""",3,40a305,http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/01/18/history-vaccination.aspx,2,1452433354.0,"Joseph Mercola on vaccinations - ""If you have a healthy lifestyle, exposure to nearly all of these infectious agents will ultimately make you healthy and stronger""",2016-01-10 15:42:34 +"fwiw, i'm 90% sure vaccines killed my niece and nephew. turned them into vegetables, never learned to walk or talk or even eat without a feeding tube. they each died about 6 years later. yeah.",10,3z9e5h,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3z704k/how_to_turn_a_corporate_lie_into_a_science_fact/cyk0z2e,2,1451845862.0,"fwiw, i'm 90% sure vaccines killed my niece and nephew. turned them into vegetables, never learned to walk or talk or even eat without a feeding tube. they each died about 6 years later. yeah.",2016-01-03 20:31:02 +Bill Gates kills people via vaccinations and GMO mosquitoes [x-post /r/GMOMyths],6,3yw4o3,https://np.reddit.com/r/ChristiansAwake2NWO/comments/3yh5vj/bill_gates_kills_people_via_vaccinations_and_gmo/,7,1451579679.0,Bill Gates kills people via vaccinations and GMO mosquitoes [x-post /r/GMOMyths],2015-12-31 18:34:39 +TIL: There are people who equate pediatric facilities which only treat vaccinated children with Jim Crow laws. I wish I hadn't.,14,3vegy9,http://imgur.com/t61iD2V,4,1449253982.0,TIL: There are people who equate pediatric facilities which only treat vaccinated children with Jim Crow laws. I wish I hadn't.,2015-12-04 20:33:02 +Anyone who vaccinates their children is gambling with their future and is a piece of shit.,12,3shzzk,http://np.reddit.com/r/european/comments/3s6bfn/as_vaccines_are_used_up_by_migrants_german/cwv66vb,3,1447332043.0,Anyone who vaccinates their children is gambling with their future and is a piece of shit.,2015-11-12 14:40:43 +Supreme Court lets NY state’s school vaccination requirement stand,12,3nmnb5,http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20151005/supreme-court-lets-ny-states-school-vaccination-requirement-stand,0,1444110956.0,Supreme Court lets NY state’s school vaccination requirement stand,2015-10-06 08:55:56 +Researchers profile 4 types of non-vaccinators (resourse),5,3n3zcu,http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-10/sp-rpf092915.php,0,1443741019.0,Researchers profile 4 types of non-vaccinators (resourse),2015-10-02 02:10:19 +Behold this Shitstorm,11,3lgwse,http://np.reddit.com/r/Chattanooga/comments/3l1vll/looking_for_antivax_okay_daycare/?,0,1442632761.0,Behold this Shitstorm,2015-09-19 06:19:21 +"Girl dies from Benadryl overdose. Obviously, it means the HPV vaccine is at fault.",16,3h0j8y,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3gybuy/girl_with_sore_throat_gets_hpv_vaccine_dies_hours/,1,1439610067.0,"Girl dies from Benadryl overdose. Obviously, it means the HPV vaccine is at fault.",2015-08-15 06:41:07 +Iraq War Vet Copy Pasta,3,3gvmhv,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/3gs9zu/i_always_share_this_with_antigmomonsanto_people/cu1a9q4,0,1439518812.0,Iraq War Vet Copy Pasta,2015-08-14 05:20:12 +"""And you leave thousands of people dead and disabled from vaccines, not worth hit! Vaccines make us profitable to the pharmaceuticals i.e. they make us sick with autoimmune diseases, so as we are then dependent on expensive drugs to treat our symptoms. That's the true reason they are pushed""",7,3gu8ox,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3gpuas/california_to_throw_adults_in_jail_if_they_refuse/,7,1439495428.0,"""And you leave thousands of people dead and disabled from vaccines, not worth hit! Vaccines make us profitable to the pharmaceuticals i.e. they make us sick with autoimmune diseases, so as we are then dependent on expensive drugs to treat our symptoms. That's the true reason they are pushed""",2015-08-13 22:50:28 +"Yea, I just don't believe that vaccines should be forced upon anyone. I feel that everyone should always have a choice. If I think about someone who doesn't really want it all, and then to force an injection on them, seems really cruel to me.",8,3glbfu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/offmychest/comments/3gk56y/i_get_paid_to_chat_on_reddit/ctz06bn,9,1439329505.0,"Yea, I just don't believe that vaccines should be forced upon anyone. I feel that everyone should always have a choice. If I think about someone who doesn't really want it all, and then to force an injection on them, seems really cruel to me.",2015-08-12 00:45:05 +"""There is HIV in vaccines. Proof: NaturalNews""",16,3gk2kb,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3gjd73/this_is_the_mmr_vaccine_insert_given_to_doctors/ctyt3de,0,1439298291.0,"""There is HIV in vaccines. Proof: NaturalNews""",2015-08-11 16:04:51 +"Fluoride, Vaccines, and the wrath of Ra all in /r/conspiracy",7,3fe19n,https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3fc7lb/leaked_pentagon_video_shows_vaccine_designed_to/ctng5be,3,1438446424.0,"Fluoride, Vaccines, and the wrath of Ra all in /r/conspiracy",2015-08-01 19:27:04 +The most disgusting anti-vaxxer I've probably encountered to date.,17,3c4zaa,http://imgur.com/gallery/F1qgmrU,1,1436072474.0,The most disgusting anti-vaxxer I've probably encountered to date.,2015-07-05 08:01:14 +"No matter what side of the debate you are on, is anyone else bothered by the language being used over the current mandatory vaccination controversy?",0,3bw90w,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/3bw90w/no_matter_what_side_of_the_debate_you_are_on_is/,3,1435888003.0,"The fact that human society is continually being referred to in the media as a ""herd,"" as though we were just a bunch of animals, is, at the base level, ominous.",2015-07-03 04:46:43 +"I have an autistic child. Don't know what caused it, but you saying that if indeed vaccines do cause it, it is an exceptable risk... Makes me want to kick you right in your filthy cunt.",3,3bedxo,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3bcvcm/publisher_of_controversial_autism_research_dr/csl9kox,3,1435526018.0,"I have an autistic child. Don't know what caused it, but you saying that if indeed vaccines do cause it, it is an exceptable risk... Makes me want to kick you right in your filthy cunt.",2015-06-29 00:13:38 +"The annals of “I’m not antivaccine,” part 18: Dr. Bob goes full Godwin over SB 277",3,3a6xxy,http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/06/17/the-annals-of-im-not-antivaccine-part-18-dr-bob-goes-full-godwin-over-sb-277/#.VYG9h88PA1c.reddit,1,1434594863.0,"The annals of “I’m not antivaccine,” part 18: Dr. Bob goes full Godwin over SB 277",2015-06-18 05:34:23 +Cervical cancer vaccine 'Gardasil' being deemed the largest scam in medical history,7,355iuq,http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/,3,1431013393.0,Cervical cancer vaccine 'Gardasil' being deemed the largest scam in medical history,2015-05-07 18:43:13 +I Got 99 Problems But A Brain Ain't One,3,34lqmx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/34lgwh/the_vaccine_song_say_no_to_the_vaccine_by_trillion/,1,1430580866.0,I Got 99 Problems But A Brain Ain't One,2015-05-02 18:34:26 +Jenny McCarthy in a Nutshell,3,32zf46,https://youtu.be/MNwsj6wbxZM,2,1429346130.0,Jenny McCarthy in a Nutshell,2015-04-18 11:35:30 +Vote delayed on California bill seeking to toughen vaccine mandate,10,32rj6h,http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-senate-panel-toughen-mandate-vaccinating-children-20150415-story.html,2,1429183056.0,Vote delayed on California bill seeking to toughen vaccine mandate,2015-04-16 14:17:36 +"Gardasil ""Removed"" from Japanese market (even though it wasn't ""removed"" at all)",7,32oo5h,http://www.tokyotimes.com/side-effects-in-young-girls-take-gardasil-out-from-japanese-market/,2,1429135227.0,"Gardasil ""Removed"" from Japanese market (even though it wasn't ""removed"" at all)",2015-04-16 01:00:27 +How Anti-Vaxxers Sound to Normal People,17,32i5bl,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hCLWtEHL8,1,1428998340.0,How Anti-Vaxxers Sound to Normal People,2015-04-14 10:59:00 +"""Mom asks CDC some questions..."" A sophomoric attempt to be a hero by a vaccine denier: an analysis",2,31dtwr,http://imgur.com/9WlxXXC,4,1428145498.0,"""Mom asks CDC some questions..."" A sophomoric attempt to be a hero by a vaccine denier: an analysis",2015-04-04 14:04:58 +"Naturalpath ""Dr"" Glidden tries desperately to discredit vaccines. Uses a lot of pseudo-science and shameless promotes his own profits in trying to do so. [x-post from /r/truthaboutvaccines]",9,30poea,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/30hz38/dr_peter_glidden_destroys_the_myths_surrounding/,4,1427676927.0,"Naturalpath ""Dr"" Glidden tries desperately to discredit vaccines. Uses a lot of pseudo-science and shameless promotes his own profits in trying to do so. [x-post from /r/truthaboutvaccines]",2015-03-30 03:55:27 +"So, how is the vaccinated kid going to die from a disease the unvaccinated kid has? And if two unvaccinated kids have a disease and one dies, how can you prove original carrier? Shedding and symptoms may not be concurrent.",5,30h0xq,https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2tkxnp/would_you_support_a_law_holding_antivax_parents/co02mqq?context=3,1,1427473893.0,"So, how is the vaccinated kid going to die from a disease the unvaccinated kid has? And if two unvaccinated kids have a disease and one dies, how can you prove original carrier? Shedding and symptoms may not be concurrent.",2015-03-27 18:31:33 +RFK JR going derp,5,2zdcf7,http://www.twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/531912864555347968,2,1426641718.0,RFK JR going derp,2015-03-18 03:21:58 +Italian Court Reignites MMR Vaccine Debate After Award Over Child with Autism,4,2y6x0o,http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/25/mmr-vaccine-caused-autism.aspx,2,1425715774.0,Italian Court Reignites MMR Vaccine Debate After Award Over Child with Autism,2015-03-07 10:09:34 +"In my case I have investigated vaccine technology and found it to be a crime against humanity in how they are currently used. Certainly they are one of the principal causes of autism, and are undoubtedly linked to a host of other emerging disorders.",4,2y3ts4,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2xoakb/jimmy_kimmels_ignorant_vaccine_doctors_i_work_for/cp2cmxk?context=1,1,1425645693.0,"In my case I have investigated vaccine technology and found it to be a crime against humanity in how they are currently used. Certainly they are one of the principal causes of autism, and are undoubtedly linked to a host of other emerging disorders.",2015-03-06 14:41:33 +"This PowerPoint is my attempt at a public resource for exhaustively addressing antivax claims. This will remain a work in progress, to be updated to follow emerging popular claims. Suggestions are encouraged. Please read and share",6,2xhkll,http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/izzythedrumist-2410156-scientific-literature-vaccinations/,1,1425181081.0,"This PowerPoint is my attempt at a public resource for exhaustively addressing antivax claims. This will remain a work in progress, to be updated to follow emerging popular claims. Suggestions are encouraged. Please read and share",2015-03-01 05:38:01 +"I'm interested in discussing the vaccine aspect of this documentary and the arguments presented within. Note, It's only available for the next six days for free.",4,2xfg1c,http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/,20,1425123624.0,"I'm interested in discussing the vaccine aspect of this documentary and the arguments presented within. Note, It's only available for the next six days for free.",2015-02-28 13:40:24 +"Antivax mom makes concentration camp-style badge to protest her ""persecution""",15,2wusj5,http://imgur.com/gallery/uvp7Uya/new,1,1424710415.0,"Antivax mom makes concentration camp-style badge to protest her ""persecution""",2015-02-23 18:53:35 +Lifting The Lid On The Vaccination Debate: Why We Deserve To Hear Both Sides Of The Argument,2,2wcqpb,http://www.trueactivist.com/lifting-the-lid-on-the-vaccination-debate-why-we-deserve-to-hear-both-sides-of-the-argument1/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TrueActivist+%28True+Activist%29,3,1424322197.0,Lifting The Lid On The Vaccination Debate: Why We Deserve To Hear Both Sides Of The Argument,2015-02-19 07:03:17 +Basically just a bunch of bullshit talking points dreamed up by vaccine propagandists to scare you into using their products and push the public debate toward mandatory vaccination for any and every disease they think they can make a buck on.,6,2w5zbh,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2w1fif/hey_look_more_vaccine_propaganda_on_the_front/comuxot?context=2,1,1424181110.0,Basically just a bunch of bullshit talking points dreamed up by vaccine propagandists to scare you into using their products and push the public debate toward mandatory vaccination for any and every disease they think they can make a buck on.,2015-02-17 15:51:50 +Fake Disney Outbreak post debunked,3,2w5nhr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2w32u2/fake_disney_measles_outbreak_send_in_the_clowns/,2,1424174314.0,Fake Disney Outbreak post debunked,2015-02-17 13:58:34 +"I'm not scared of measles, even the atypical form. I'll take my chances with measles or polio or whatever, but NOT vaccines.",2,2w3zij,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2w32u2/fake_disney_measles_outbreak_send_in_the_clowns/con6yz4,2,1424145955.0,"I'm not scared of measles, even the atypical form. I'll take my chances with measles or polio or whatever, but NOT vaccines.",2015-02-17 06:05:55 +Ottawa daycare is promising a ‘vaccine-free environment’ for kids.,8,2vyg07,http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/09/ottawa-daycare-promises-vaccine-free-environment-for-kids-public-health-is-not-happy-about-it/,4,1424017161.0,Ottawa daycare is promising a ‘vaccine-free environment’ for kids.,2015-02-15 18:19:21 +"From /r/conspiracy - a post linking to the package insert for the MMR vaccine, but everything is being taken way out of context - my post corrects it.",3,2vxwha,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2vv7cx/from_the_insert_of_mmr_vacine/,4,1424001583.0,"From /r/conspiracy - a post linking to the package insert for the MMR vaccine, but everything is being taken way out of context - my post corrects it.",2015-02-15 13:59:43 +www.antivaxxvalentines.com,7,2vu3b1,http://40.media.tumblr.com/054404a698c9621882222ca8fc5eb4aa/tumblr_njmau3WeVV1unzj07o1_r1_1280.jpg,1,1423910232.0,www.antivaxxvalentines.com,2015-02-14 12:37:12 +"More from Antivax book ""Dissolving Illusions"" review comments: ""INJECTED through a vaccine ... neurotoxins get taken up through our lymphatic system where immune cells carry them into the brain.""",5,2vscbq,http://www.amazon.com/review/R1C1ZYX11ON8TA/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&asin=1480216895&cdForum=Fx28U0CZVZDOVBB&cdMsgID=Mx33Y23CUHCSPPL&cdMsgNo=75&cdPage=8&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3IADG8MGYXGLQ&store=books#Mx33Y23CUHCSPPL,2,1423878898.0,"More from Antivax book ""Dissolving Illusions"" review comments: ""INJECTED through a vaccine ... neurotoxins get taken up through our lymphatic system where immune cells carry them into the brain.""",2015-02-14 03:54:58 +The measles virons only live outside the body for a short period of time (about two hours). Close Disney World for one day.,4,2vg5dl,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2vd2nh/one_thing_i_find_disturbing_about_vaccination/cogpy2n,5,1423625150.0,The measles virons only live outside the body for a short period of time (about two hours). Close Disney World for one day.,2015-02-11 05:25:50 +Melanie's Marvelous Measles,5,2v2cke,http://www.amazon.com/Melanies-Marvelous-Measles-Stephanie-Messenger/dp/1466938897/,2,1423314227.0,Melanie's Marvelous Measles,2015-02-07 15:03:47 +Measles vaccination urged amid Disneyland outbreak,7,2twflb,http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/measles-vaccinations-urged-amid-disneyland-outbreak/?WT.mc_id=SA_HLTH_20150127,1,1422430957.0,Measles vaccination urged amid Disneyland outbreak,2015-01-28 09:42:37 +The past and present rebuke antivaccinationists who claim measles is “benign”,5,2thyu1,http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/01/22/the-past-and-present-rebuke-antivaccinationists-who-claim-measles-is-benign/?utm_source=widgets,2,1422117761.0,The past and present rebuke antivaccinationists who claim measles is “benign”,2015-01-24 18:42:41 +"Last Year’s Flu Vaccine Killed and Injured Over 93,000 US Citizens – Will This Year be Any Different?",2,2thk3z,http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/11/11/last-years-flu-vaccine-killed-and-injured-over-93000-us-citizens-will-this-year-be-any-different/,4,1422105611.0,"Last Year’s Flu Vaccine Killed and Injured Over 93,000 US Citizens – Will This Year be Any Different?",2015-01-24 15:20:11 +Vaccinations Made My Cat Autistic,16,2tfmeq,http://reductress.com/post/vaccinations-made-my-cat-autistic/,2,1422070158.0,Vaccinations Made My Cat Autistic,2015-01-24 05:29:18 +Why We Didn’t Vaccinate Our Child,11,2tcmr6,http://nightofthelivingdad.net/2014/08/13/why-we-didnt-vaccinate-our-child/,5,1422002426.0,Why We Didn’t Vaccinate Our Child,2015-01-23 10:40:26 +"I'm not a crazy, 43 year old mom with nothing better to do than to campaign against a lost cause. I'm 18, from the UK, and whilst Dr Wakefield is my godfather's brother, I don't feel biased towards him.",7,2t5e5b,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2t2yij/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_that_there_was_a_link/cnvg3yy,7,1421853762.0,"I'm not a crazy, 43 year old mom with nothing better to do than to campaign against a lost cause. I'm 18, from the UK, and whilst Dr Wakefield is my godfather's brother, I don't feel biased towards him.",2015-01-21 17:22:42 +"Are courts in the business of handing out 6 and 7 figure payouts to anyone claiming damages from vaccines? Is this like one of the world's best kept secrets? Also, is the tooth fairy real?",2,2t5dxf,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2t3wd5/1_post_on_front_page_from_rtodayilearned_allows/cnvlg0s,2,1421853601.0,"Are courts in the business of handing out 6 and 7 figure payouts to anyone claiming damages from vaccines? Is this like one of the world's best kept secrets? Also, is the tooth fairy real?",2015-01-21 17:20:01 +Tim Burtons 'Batman' clearly is the proof vaccines cause autism,6,2t5dq7,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2t4r5h/doctor_behind_vaccineautism_link_loses_license/cnvp7w6,3,1421853442.0,Tim Burtons 'Batman' clearly is the proof vaccines cause autism,2015-01-21 17:17:22 +"Not sure what condition you have, but many conditions that leave you with a compromised immune system can be passed down to your kids, so it might be better to adopt even if you weren't sterile.",2,2t5ddc,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2t33vj/24_unvaccinated_students_banned_from_oc_high/cnvmmvn,1,1421853163.0,"Not sure what condition you have, but many conditions that leave you with a compromised immune system can be passed down to your kids, so it might be better to adopt even if you weren't sterile.",2015-01-21 17:12:43 +"Hmmm, so if people are vaccinated then why the fear of the unVaccinated? Who cares if they spread it amongst themselves and as far as compromised immune systems are concerned should they be around kids who are cesspool of virus and diesese regardless if vaccinated or not?",2,2t5db3,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2t33vj/24_unvaccinated_students_banned_from_oc_high/cnv9hs4,1,1421853104.0,"Hmmm, so if people are vaccinated then why the fear of the unVaccinated? Who cares if they spread it amongst themselves and as far as compromised immune systems are concerned should they be around kids who are cesspool of virus and diesese regardless if vaccinated or not?",2015-01-21 17:11:44 +Anti-Vaccine Body Count,8,2t1md2,http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html,1,1421785675.0,Anti-Vaccine Body Count,2015-01-20 22:27:55 +Computer programmer gets it wrong about the Amish and vaccinations.,4,2s793i,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/2s216h/chart_heres_the_rise_in_personal_belief/cnmdqm7,2,1421123268.0,Computer programmer gets it wrong about the Amish and vaccinations.,2015-01-13 06:27:48 +University of PiktoChart: Vaccines Don't Work,6,2rqx42,https://magic.piktochart.com/output/4043568-vaccines-dont-work-here-are-th,3,1420758069.0,University of PiktoChart: Vaccines Don't Work,2015-01-09 01:01:09 +The people who signed this petition....,4,2qui17,https://www.change.org/p/lewis-r-first-editor-in-chief-publicly-issue-a-retraction-of-the-fraudulent-2004-mmr-autism-study?share_id=IrJihwRkUn&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition,2,1419999795.0,The people who signed this petition....,2014-12-31 06:23:15 +I wonder if that correlates with glyphosate too. Another more scary theory I have is that autism is caused by vaccines they use as a form of eugenics in order to produce genius children at the cost of causing a lot of autism.,6,2qegwt,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2qdj81/mit_researcher_finds_99_correlation_between_the/cn5am2a,1,1419580125.0,I wonder if that correlates with glyphosate too. Another more scary theory I have is that autism is caused by vaccines they use as a form of eugenics in order to produce genius children at the cost of causing a lot of autism.,2014-12-26 09:48:45 +"Antivax book ""Dissolving Illusions"" - 2 negative reviews and 88 consecutive perfect reviews.",3,2pt5ee,http://amzn.com/1480216895,4,1419042605.0,"Antivax book ""Dissolving Illusions"" - 2 negative reviews and 88 consecutive perfect reviews.",2014-12-20 04:30:05 +Which graph do you believe? Left? Right? Both? I'm interested in discussing the credibility of these two sources and interpreting what these graphs are telling us.,5,2ow0jc,http://imgur.com/ZhfXhxt,17,1418266342.0,Which graph do you believe? Left? Right? Both? I'm interested in discussing the credibility of these two sources and interpreting what these graphs are telling us.,2014-12-11 04:52:22 +Only Vaccinated Students Affected By Whooping Cough Outbreak In Massachusetts...,0,2osew5,http://www.naturalnews.com/047930_whooping_cough_vaccinations_exemptions.html#,19,1418185400.0,Only Vaccinated Students Affected By Whooping Cough Outbreak In Massachusetts...,2014-12-10 06:23:20 +"There have been more than 200 cases of polio in Pakistan since January. ""Many people here think the polio vaccination campaign is a western conspiracy to sterilise their children - it's an idea the Taliban have been putting about for 10 years now.""",10,2nkr5i,http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30133279,4,1417123208.0,"There have been more than 200 cases of polio in Pakistan since January. ""Many people here think the polio vaccination campaign is a western conspiracy to sterilise their children - it's an idea the Taliban have been putting about for 10 years now.""",2014-11-27 23:20:08 +"Why I chose to delay vaccines with my first, and why I won't do that again",6,2nf9kj,http://wildhomestead.org/2014/11/25/why-i-chose-to-delay-vaccines-with-my-first-and-why-i-wont-do-that-again/,2,1416987105.0,"Why I chose to delay vaccines with my first, and why I won't do that again",2014-11-26 09:31:45 +"Mercola is a hero, he dares to fight TPTB, it's surprising he hasn't been assassinated yet. He's an individual who truly cares about health",1,2mub28,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2msro8/monsantos_roundup_and_glyphosate_toxicity/cm7gtp8,2,1416482904.0,"Mercola is a hero, he dares to fight TPTB, it's surprising he hasn't been assassinated yet. He's an individual who truly cares about health",2014-11-20 13:28:24 +it's now been admitted by a CDC whistleblower that they've been covering up the data which shows vaccines are causing Autism. Mercola recommends products which are far safer and more likely to be effective than anything that comes out of Big Pharma.,8,2mu29k,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2msro8/monsantos_roundup_and_glyphosate_toxicity/cm7hbkn,6,1416478200.0,it's now been admitted by a CDC whistleblower that they've been covering up the data which shows vaccines are causing Autism. Mercola recommends products which are far safer and more likely to be effective than anything that comes out of Big Pharma.,2014-11-20 12:10:00 +"The concept of herd immunity (protection for the population) is often used by vaccine addicts as a way to push guilt at people who don’t line up, with their children, like robots for their shots.",3,2maqdr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2manhq/vaccines_and_herd_immunity_nonsense/,10,1416012886.0,"The concept of herd immunity (protection for the population) is often used by vaccine addicts as a way to push guilt at people who don’t line up, with their children, like robots for their shots.",2014-11-15 02:54:46 +Hepatitis B vaccine kills three newborn babies with anaphylactic shock - Anti Vaxxer Woo from SeattleOrganicRestaurants.com,2,2lyvfe,http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-food/infant-deaths-hepatitis-b-vaccines.php,4,1415745797.0,Hepatitis B vaccine kills three newborn babies with anaphylactic shock - Anti Vaxxer Woo from SeattleOrganicRestaurants.com,2014-11-12 00:43:17 +"If the government was really covering up ""The truth"" about vaccines, and someone blew the whistle, how would we know if he was telling the truth?",0,2lls6t,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2lls6t/if_the_government_was_really_covering_up_the/,1,1415416117.0,"If the government was really covering up ""The truth"" about vaccines, and someone blew the whistle, how would we know if he was telling the truth?",2014-11-08 05:08:37 +Supposed research papers linking vaccines and autism. Anyone seen these before?,3,2ll62f,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2ll62f/supposed_research_papers_linking_vaccines_and/,4,1415404521.0,"My anti-vax aunt just posted [this list](http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link). + + Has anyone seen this before? It seems pretty fishy, especially given that it only consists of the abstracts for these supposed papers.",2014-11-08 01:55:21 +"""Being Anti Vax is just like the fight for Civil Rights"" - White Girl",12,2l68hu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/GMOMyths/comments/2l5y2w/real_studies_prove_gmos_are_highly_doused_in/clrszoc,5,1415064138.0,"""Being Anti Vax is just like the fight for Civil Rights"" - White Girl",2014-11-04 03:22:18 +Ebola Can Be Prevented and Treated Naturally-so Why Are These Approaches Completely Ignored?,4,2korl8,http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_31244.cfm,1,1414628714.0,Ebola Can Be Prevented and Treated Naturally-so Why Are These Approaches Completely Ignored?,2014-10-30 02:25:14 +Mucus,11,2ko787,http://i.imgur.com/TR7YV3A.jpg,16,1414617245.0,Mucus,2014-10-29 23:14:05 +I would rather have any vaccine preventable illness than run the risk of getting an autoimmune disease from a vaccine.,4,2kfwxc,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2kann3/cdc_whistleblower_also_a_player_in_the/clk4l9b,1,1414419269.0,I would rather have any vaccine preventable illness than run the risk of getting an autoimmune disease from a vaccine.,2014-10-27 16:14:29 +"""A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth."" - an ironic quote from a woo website",3,2k6pho,http://www.vaccination.inoz.com,1,1414177143.0,"""A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth."" - an ironic quote from a woo website",2014-10-24 21:59:03 +Check out r/HealthySkepticism a subreddit for the discussion of all kinds of medical myths,3,2iqixu,http://np.reddit.com/r/HealthySkepticism/,1,1412863061.0,Check out r/HealthySkepticism a subreddit for the discussion of all kinds of medical myths,2014-10-09 16:57:41 +Rob Schneider's Anti-Vaccine State Farm Ad !!,1,2i4lm3,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHzVXvD8FeY&feature=youtu.be,3,1412312684.0,Rob Schneider's Anti-Vaccine State Farm Ad !!,2014-10-03 08:04:44 +Rob Schneider Has Guts and Intelligence,3,2i2p9g,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2hpbw5/the_censoring_of_rob_schneider_schneider_gets/,6,1412267750.0,Rob Schneider Has Guts and Intelligence,2014-10-02 19:35:50 +Wealthy L.A. Schools' Vaccination Rates Are as Low as South Sudan's,15,2gog85,http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/,4,1411004537.0,Wealthy L.A. Schools' Vaccination Rates Are as Low as South Sudan's,2014-09-18 04:42:17 +New subreddit: /r/conspirawhiners,0,2fxinj,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2fxinj/new_subreddit_rconspirawhiners/,2,1410317012.0,There is a new subreddit for calling out conspiracy theorists and their lies. It's /r/conspirawhiners.,2014-09-10 05:43:32 +MSM Buries CDC Scientist’s Confession About Vaccines & Autism Link,1,2ewn3m,http://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=AUb6ucF9uZ4&u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DriX1eiXgpNw%26feature%3Dshare,2,1409335562.0,MSM Buries CDC Scientist’s Confession About Vaccines & Autism Link,2014-08-29 21:06:02 +"The Conspiracy is Falling Apart! Autism Vaccine Link Exposed by World Renowned Expert in Diseases, Vaccines and Child Development.....(wait for it).... ROB SCHNEIDER",13,2ei5sm,http://www.canaryparty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149:rob-schneider-demands-answers-on-cdc-mmr-fraud&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50,2,1408970847.0,"The Conspiracy is Falling Apart! Autism Vaccine Link Exposed by World Renowned Expert in Diseases, Vaccines and Child Development.....(wait for it).... ROB SCHNEIDER",2014-08-25 15:47:27 +Today I can report that I now have in my possession CDC documents which prove beyond any doubt that the former head of the CDC actively participated in willful scientific fraud in order to bury clinical evidence linking the MMR vaccine to a 340% increase in autism among African-American children.,7,2e97ms,http://www.naturalnews.com/046537_vaccine_violence_black_Americans_scientific_fraud.html,6,1408717163.0,Today I can report that I now have in my possession CDC documents which prove beyond any doubt that the former head of the CDC actively participated in willful scientific fraud in order to bury clinical evidence linking the MMR vaccine to a 340% increase in autism among African-American children.,2014-08-22 17:19:23 +"C is 3rd letter of the alphabet; 6th letter is F. 18 is what they equal multiplied: R is the 18th letter. Council the verb in German is rat. Noun: der rat. Lucifer comes to mind, personally.",1,2dlzr4,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2dg147/flashback_cfr_recording_suggests_creating_false/,1,1408108650.0,"C is 3rd letter of the alphabet; 6th letter is F. 18 is what they equal multiplied: R is the 18th letter. Council the verb in German is rat. Noun: der rat. Lucifer comes to mind, personally.",2014-08-15 16:17:30 +I can't believe how many anti-science people like you there are on Reddit,8,2dlzhz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/offbeat/comments/2dadmz/high_school_students_make_a_scientifically/cjoh3kz,5,1408108455.0,I can't believe how many anti-science people like you there are on Reddit,2014-08-15 16:14:15 +And now this.,6,2btiel,http://youtu.be/g48CfiCHLWo,4,1406448153.0,And now this.,2014-07-27 11:02:33 +See?!?!,12,2afwz7,http://i.imgur.com/uZC5fF9.gif,3,1405128403.0,See?!?!,2014-07-12 04:26:43 +Immunity,23,29tdec,http://i.imgur.com/E8C1nqi.jpg,3,1404495065.0,Immunity,2014-07-04 20:31:05 +"Conspiratard claims recent study of vaccine safety was paid for by ""big pharma."" Study itself makes no indication of who paid for it. [X-post from /r/conspiratard]",3,29r0u2,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/29qrd7/bigpharma_vaccines_deemed_safe_by_bigpharma/,2,1404432701.0,"Conspiratard claims recent study of vaccine safety was paid for by ""big pharma."" Study itself makes no indication of who paid for it. [X-post from /r/conspiratard]",2014-07-04 03:11:41 +A review by one graduate student at Harvard is evidence that the flu isn't as deadly as the CDC says it is,1,2922qs,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/2922qs/a_review_by_one_graduate_student_at_harvard_is/,3,1403733610.0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28vj90/only_18_confirmed_us_flu_deaths_in_2001_not_36000/,2014-06-26 01:00:10 +"So, I have to inject my kid with a low dose of a disease 'vaccinated' or they can't go to school. That's total bullshit............. ; (",9,2920wo,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/29148b/court_ruling_parents_dont_have_the_right_to_send/ciggoqg,1,1403732319.0,"So, I have to inject my kid with a low dose of a disease 'vaccinated' or they can't go to school. That's total bullshit............. ; (",2014-06-26 00:38:39 +Hysterical!!! Conspiracy theorists fall for a SATIRICAL medical blog!,6,28kqqr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28k2ou/it_seems_like_the_cdc_is_going_to_require/,4,1403233585.0,Hysterical!!! Conspiracy theorists fall for a SATIRICAL medical blog!,2014-06-20 06:06:25 +Anti-vaxxer claims to know topic inside and out and that doctors ask her opinion,4,28jzr1,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28dcro/how_you_can_tell_if_youre_posting_a_hot_topic_to/cib3mbt,2,1403218364.0,Anti-vaxxer claims to know topic inside and out and that doctors ask her opinion,2014-06-20 01:52:44 +Activist posting stating that 85% of those contracting measles are fully vaccinated.,14,28aabs,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/28a8ff/california_measles_85_of_those_contracting_it_are/,4,1402961100.0,Activist posting stating that 85% of those contracting measles are fully vaccinated.,2014-06-17 02:25:00 +Parent calls on /r/conspiracy to aid in harming his/her child by providing antivaccine information,14,27rc2u,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/27p8ky/please_assist_i_need_everything_you_know_on_the/,2,1402401348.0,Parent calls on /r/conspiracy to aid in harming his/her child by providing antivaccine information,2014-06-10 14:55:48 +"""It's sad to think parents are still poisoning their children with vaccines"" Non-cited, non-researched, scare-tactic poster",6,279d2c,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2797tm/its_sad_to_think_parents_are_still_poisoning/,3,1401878902.0,"""It's sad to think parents are still poisoning their children with vaccines"" Non-cited, non-researched, scare-tactic poster",2014-06-04 13:48:22 +"""Measles is like chicken pox, not a big deal.""",9,272fgl,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/26zsfi/measles_cases_in_the_us_reach_20year_high/chwbwrx,2,1401694555.0,"""Measles is like chicken pox, not a big deal.""",2014-06-02 10:35:55 +(UN)convincing paper (tries) to provide proof that the myth of immune overload is not a myth.,2,271xgx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2718bh/new_paper_provides_convincing_evidence_vaccine/,6,1401682396.0,(UN)convincing paper (tries) to provide proof that the myth of immune overload is not a myth.,2014-06-02 07:13:16 +Supposed link between vaccines and Diabetes/Autoimmune disorders?,2,26yzs2,http://www.vaccines.net/vaccine-induced-immune-overload.pdf,4,1401588731.0,Supposed link between vaccines and Diabetes/Autoimmune disorders?,2014-06-01 05:12:11 +"Mercury causes autism, no matter what anyone says. This youtube video is definitive proof!",11,26pft5,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26m39l/how_mercury_triggered_the_age_of_autism/chsmjmt?context=3,1,1401323017.0,"Mercury causes autism, no matter what anyone says. This youtube video is definitive proof!",2014-05-29 03:23:37 +"""Big pharma shill, Dr. Goldman, wants to tattoo a yellow star on unvaccinated Canadians.""",7,26n9br,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26mvwj/time_for_a_national_vaccine_registry_big_pharma/,1,1401259104.0,"""Big pharma shill, Dr. Goldman, wants to tattoo a yellow star on unvaccinated Canadians.""",2014-05-28 09:38:24 +"We should create a list of canned speeches and place them in the sidebar, like a FAQ of sorts. They could be used as a toolbox to counter antivax claims often used.",5,26f34p,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/26f34p/we_should_create_a_list_of_canned_speeches_and/,2,1401013461.0,"I often see rebuttals created that are often hostile or attack ad hominem rather than their specific claims, something I believe we should avoid. We shouldn't stoop to their level, they can call us shills or indoctrinated sheep, but that should not affect our argument. We should have clear, evidenced rebuttals that address all aspects of the claim. Topics may include + +* Mercury +* Mercury specifically in children +* Autism +* SIDS +* Herd immunity +* Resurgence of nearly extinct polio +* et al + + +This should be a good starting point, but we should expand on certain topics. + +This will provide a good, standardized systematic way of combating their concerns and doubts. If they refuse our facts and evidence and still remain convinced of their pseudoscience, we need a canned as well to explain how *not* vaccinating can hurt others.",2014-05-25 13:24:21 +"Since the anti-vaccination movement doesn't have any facts on their side, their new tactic is to post gish-gallops.",4,26djaz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26c6ca/the_not_so_conspiracy_of_uneccesary_and_deadly/,46,1400968835.0,"Since the anti-vaccination movement doesn't have any facts on their side, their new tactic is to post gish-gallops.",2014-05-25 01:00:35 +"Toni Braxton claims her son’s autism was God’s punishment for abortion, may be due to vaccinations",7,26b2il,http://www.salon.com/2014/05/23/toni_braxton_claims_her_sons_autism_was_gods_punishment_for_abortion_may_be_due_to_vaccinations/,1,1400890168.0,"Toni Braxton claims her son’s autism was God’s punishment for abortion, may be due to vaccinations",2014-05-24 03:09:28 +"Vaccines are linked to SIDS, according to activist post",10,26azrp,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26axn2/shaken_baby_syndrome_medical_science_or_medical/,4,1400888394.0,"Vaccines are linked to SIDS, according to activist post",2014-05-24 02:39:54 +"""...a lot of vaccines contain a tiny bit of mercury.""",5,26azcx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/26ak7u/are_some_vaccines_necessary_or_are_all_of_them/chp7031,11,1400888128.0,"""...a lot of vaccines contain a tiny bit of mercury.""",2014-05-24 02:35:28 +The WHO contrived a polio emergency. Poster doesn't understand why vaccine is still necessary.,4,263db1,http://http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/261io3/polio_global_health_emergency_entirely_fabricated/,1,1400674499.0,The WHO contrived a polio emergency. Poster doesn't understand why vaccine is still necessary.,2014-05-21 15:14:59 +People have been paralyzed by the flu vaccine and polio vaccine in African. Bill gates funded all those polio vaccines and then a lot of kids became sick or paralyzed from it,6,25y9en,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/25v7kw/study_of_13_million_kids_reveals_vaccines_arent/chldi3v,2,1400545402.0,People have been paralyzed by the flu vaccine and polio vaccine in African. Bill gates funded all those polio vaccines and then a lot of kids became sick or paralyzed from it,2014-05-20 03:23:22 +Apparently this user's opinion trumps a meta-analysis showing that vaccines don't cause autism. He's also fond of the big-pharma conspiracy.,8,25xu7d,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/25v7kw/study_of_13_million_kids_reveals_vaccines_arent/chl71xo,3,1400535172.0,Apparently this user's opinion trumps a meta-analysis showing that vaccines don't cause autism. He's also fond of the big-pharma conspiracy.,2014-05-20 00:32:52 +Use of a youtube video to try to prove the polio vaccine is bad. Doesn't realize there are two forms of the vaccine. Also doesn't realize that the risk of poliomyelitis is greater than the risk of VAPP. Use of nominal numbers rather than percentage to make argument about VAPP.,11,25qt7x,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/25pr5r/pakistan_mandatory_polio_vaccination_required_for/,3,1400304224.0,Use of a youtube video to try to prove the polio vaccine is bad. Doesn't realize there are two forms of the vaccine. Also doesn't realize that the risk of poliomyelitis is greater than the risk of VAPP. Use of nominal numbers rather than percentage to make argument about VAPP.,2014-05-17 08:23:44 +"Fuck you Reddit, you tyrants. I am glad no one listens to you. If someone doesn't want a vaccine, then they don't have to take one, regardless of how you fuckers think",2,25qd3x,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/25pmtd/this_pisses_me_off_to_no_end/chjnkdo,1,1400294204.0,"Fuck you Reddit, you tyrants. I am glad no one listens to you. If someone doesn't want a vaccine, then they don't have to take one, regardless of how you fuckers think",2014-05-17 05:36:44 +"It was aspirin that killed millions in 1918-19. Now it is mandated and unknown, untested vaccines with banned adjuvants in them that threaten the country with millions of death",4,25c4y2,http://www.sott.net/article/278748-The-vaccine-hoax-is-over-Documents-from-UK-reveal-30-years-of-coverup,2,1399899954.0,"It was aspirin that killed millions in 1918-19. Now it is mandated and unknown, untested vaccines with banned adjuvants in them that threaten the country with millions of death",2014-05-12 16:05:54 +"CDC video asking parents to vaccinate their children against cancer-causing HPV is ""creepy"" according to activistpost. Seems like these people are in favor of cancer. Most cervical cancers is caused by HPV - the vaccine prevents HPV. People peddling this stuff should put 2 and 2 together...",8,25bkqt,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/257lj5/creepy_cdc_video_promotes_hpv_vaccine_to_all/,17,1399884584.0,"CDC video asking parents to vaccinate their children against cancer-causing HPV is ""creepy"" according to activistpost. Seems like these people are in favor of cancer. Most cervical cancers is caused by HPV - the vaccine prevents HPV. People peddling this stuff should put 2 and 2 together...",2014-05-12 11:49:44 +Berries,22,255k29,http://i.imgur.com/cOhHzk8.png,3,1399693851.0,Berries,2014-05-10 06:50:51 +"he WHO's Global Polio ""Emergency"": Is that 417 cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) or wild polio? For 27 years there was more VAPP in the US than wild-strain polio...apparently the oral polio vaccine is still ""safe"" for babies in the third world. : conspiracy",7,254vr9,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/254s6x/the_whos_global_polio_emergency_is_that_417_cases/,3,1399678711.0,"he WHO's Global Polio ""Emergency"": Is that 417 cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) or wild polio? For 27 years there was more VAPP in the US than wild-strain polio...apparently the oral polio vaccine is still ""safe"" for babies in the third world. : conspiracy",2014-05-10 02:38:31 +"New paper in Pediatrics: tested four educational interventions meant for anti-vax parents, all four further increased anti-vax sentiment. In short: anti-vaxxers are totally immune to education.",10,254l16,http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyhan/vaccine-misinformation.pdf,4,1399671409.0,"New paper in Pediatrics: tested four educational interventions meant for anti-vax parents, all four further increased anti-vax sentiment. In short: anti-vaxxers are totally immune to education.",2014-05-10 00:36:49 +"I refuse the flu vaccination. Fucking rethefuckfuse the flu vaccination. I believe that one is the gov'ment's way of injecting us with shit to control us. Let us have snifflies, I say.",3,2519lh,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/250ut0/what_is_your_stance_on_vaccination_why/chcjwf2,3,1399579493.0,"I refuse the flu vaccination. Fucking rethefuckfuse the flu vaccination. I believe that one is the gov'ment's way of injecting us with shit to control us. Let us have snifflies, I say.",2014-05-08 23:04:53 +"""The US infant mortality is I think number 38 (IT'S NOT), one of the worst out of all the developed countries. Also number 1 for number of vaccines."" Therefore the conclusion is that vaccines are the cause of the high infant mortality rate in the US.",3,24y8nl,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/24wy5g/the_us_is_one_of_the_only_countries_in_the_world/chbrg1h,1,1399499382.0,"""The US infant mortality is I think number 38 (IT'S NOT), one of the worst out of all the developed countries. Also number 1 for number of vaccines."" Therefore the conclusion is that vaccines are the cause of the high infant mortality rate in the US.",2014-05-08 00:49:42 +"""The Cancer Virus""",13,24k8a6,http://i.imgur.com/Bvaia9C.jpg,4,1399084506.0,"""The Cancer Virus""",2014-05-03 05:35:06 +"I was mildly sceptical of vaccines being a cause of autism until my partner told me of her child being a normal healthy happy little boy until the week after his MMR vaccination, he now has aspergers syndrome",0,24h3x6,http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/24gr2a/us_mmr_measles_vaccine_failing_vaccinated_new/ch71cel,7,1398997264.0,"I was mildly sceptical of vaccines being a cause of autism until my partner told me of her child being a normal healthy happy little boy until the week after his MMR vaccination, he now has aspergers syndrome",2014-05-02 05:21:04 +Meet my friend's anti-vax wife,30,24ay6d,http://imgur.com/hkm8hqC,1,1398829661.0,Meet my friend's anti-vax wife,2014-04-30 06:47:41 +"However, hidden to most Americans was an elaborate Public Relations scheme being carefully and methodically applied to their psyche. Propaganda was used heavily to promote the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis and the March of Dimes solution to the polio epidemics: a vaccine.",1,241dvr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/23yfad/top_post_in_jf_queenys_vaccine_myths_sub_calls_my/ch20mmm,0,1398558171.0,"However, hidden to most Americans was an elaborate Public Relations scheme being carefully and methodically applied to their psyche. Propaganda was used heavily to promote the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis and the March of Dimes solution to the polio epidemics: a vaccine.",2014-04-27 03:22:51 +"Long-winded, ill-researched diatribe over at r/conspiracy. Author admits that he's unable to think for himself.",4,23sqo0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/23oi4e/the_skeptics_guide_to_vaccines_part_i_poxes_polio/cgzx0u6,55,1398313863.0,"Long-winded, ill-researched diatribe over at r/conspiracy. Author admits that he's unable to think for himself.",2014-04-24 07:31:03 +"This is getting passed around my Facebook feed. VACCINES ARE BAD, MMMK? POLIO WAS CURED WITH BETTER HYGIENE!",10,23hw85,http://thepeopleschemist.com/reasons-dont-vaccinate-children-vaccine-supporters-shouldnt-give-shit/,5,1398006464.0,"This is getting passed around my Facebook feed. VACCINES ARE BAD, MMMK? POLIO WAS CURED WITH BETTER HYGIENE!",2014-04-20 18:07:44 +Pro-Vaccine Immunologist Admits a Shocking Truth About Vaccines,1,23h82m,http://gaetacommunications.com/site/?p=1092,4,1397985141.0,Pro-Vaccine Immunologist Admits a Shocking Truth About Vaccines,2014-04-20 12:12:21 +Logical Response,2,2396ma,http://i.imgur.com/L2UlzO8.jpg,1,1397751510.0,Logical Response,2014-04-17 19:18:30 +"You don't get lots of things, ma'am.",20,2396kn,http://i.imgur.com/U1sS2og.jpg,2,1397751438.0,"You don't get lots of things, ma'am.",2014-04-17 19:17:18 +How Dead Babies Work,3,2396jc,http://i.imgur.com/0sCqsjm.jpg,1,1397751388.0,How Dead Babies Work,2014-04-17 19:16:28 +Impact Font. Black and Red Lettering on White Background.,2,2396hg,http://i.imgur.com/GWqRBnR.jpg,1,1397751313.0,Impact Font. Black and Red Lettering on White Background.,2014-04-17 19:15:13 +Teething is like a telephone in the Matrix,1,2396eq,http://i.imgur.com/a1SPhnr.jpg,1,1397751237.0,Teething is like a telephone in the Matrix,2014-04-17 19:13:57 +Now We Have a New Normal,3,2396db,http://i.imgur.com/7vdi80L.jpg,1,1397751171.0,Now We Have a New Normal,2014-04-17 19:12:51 +"My anti-vax aunt just posted this comment on an article, much more cogently argued than most posts I see, and since I'm not knowledgeable enough to specifically refute anything I was wondering if one of you were.",11,238hku,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/238hku/my_antivax_aunt_just_posted_this_comment_on_an/,22,1397729168.0,"She's a little bit of a conspiracy nut and is super into homeopathy, but she also has a Ph.D. and has written books, so the usual idiocy isn't on display (at least rhetorically). If everything she claims in this post is true, then vaccines are the devil. I know that's not the case, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to refute most of her points, so I was wondering if any of you were. + +Here's the post: + +""Contrary to the view that non-vaccinators are uneducated fools duped by conspiracy theories, most have taken the time to study the scientific data that show most vaccinations not to be worth the risk. Even the Supreme Court has deemed vaccination to be ""unavoidably unsafe"". +Are you aware that, by law, the CDC sponsors a vaccine injury database called VAERS -- the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. According to VAERS data, over the past 10 years alone, 26,793 people have been hospitalized with vaccine injuries and 2,081 have died. Did you know that 162 young people, mostly healthy teenage girls, have now died after receiving the HPV vaccine? +Did you know that, in exchange for granting legal immunity to vaccine manufacturers, the US government sponsors a vaccine court that awards compensation to families with vaccine-injured children? This court has paid out billions of dollars to families, including for children whose autism was deemed to have been caused by vaccination. Did you know that a 2005 FDA report on the Tripedia DTP vaccine listed many neurological problems as potential side effects, including autism? +Did you know that one of the key studies that supposedly exonerated vaccines from causing autism was authored by Poul Thorsen, now a fugitive wanted for money laundering and fraud? And that, in contrast to what is constantly repeated in the media, there are dozens of studies implicating vaccines as playing a role in causing autism, as well as many other neurological and chronic diseases, including Type 1 diabetes (also on the rise in children)? Did you know that a 2011 study in Germany that compared vaccinated versus unvaccinated populations found unvaccinated children to be far more healthy, with much lower rates of asthma, allergies, ear infections, epilepsy, gluten sensitivities, GERD, anxiety and depression, autism, and dyslexia? +Did you know that a growing number of physicians and immunologists are admitting that vaccination may not be worth the risk? They point out that, in an effort to avoid the childhood diseases (which only 60 years ago were considered beneficial because they triggered true immunity and spurts in child development), we may be causing an increase in chronic disease and a form of disease immunity that is not as strong and longlasting? Did you know that recent outbreaks of childhood diseases among vaccinated children is not due to their ""contamination"" by unvaccinated children or due to loss of so-called ""herd immunity"", but rather, is usually occurring in completely vaccinated populations because their artificial immunity is waning? +Please understand. Parents who wish to forego vaccination for their children are not asking that others follow their lead. They simply want to be permitted to follow their beliefs and not be forced to administer these drugs to their children. Indeed, many of these families already have a vaccine-injured child. Each year, the extremely powerful vaccine industry sponsors media campaigns (like the one we are currently experiencing) whose ultimately goal is to force everyone to become their customers. As a society, we must preserve our human right not to be forceably injected and medicated against our will.""",2014-04-17 13:06:08 +"""Saddest part is how ignorant and dogmatic the fascist pro-vaccination people are. It's like you think I have a monopoly on science so yo can just reject scientific reality. The people concerned about vaccines have more scientific support.""",12,22zgjq,http://np.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/22x6fv/phew_glad_you_nipped_that_in_the_bud/cgrn3r6,3,1397484386.0,"""Saddest part is how ignorant and dogmatic the fascist pro-vaccination people are. It's like you think I have a monopoly on science so yo can just reject scientific reality. The people concerned about vaccines have more scientific support.""",2014-04-14 17:06:26 +I don't know if this belongs here. Let me know if these aren't welcome. xpost /r/cringepics,14,22yzwe,http://i.imgur.com/hySy8AI.png,2,1397471095.0,I don't know if this belongs here. Let me know if these aren't welcome. xpost /r/cringepics,2014-04-14 13:24:55 +"In fact, the AMA (American Medical Association) is in part financed by Pfizer, which owns Monsanto, the company that manufactured controversial and proven-to-be-dangerous products such as the insecticide DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin",1,22ryi5,http://www.thrivemovement.com/empowering-your-health-beyond-monsanto-rockefeller-and-american-medical-association.blog,3,1397251713.0,"In fact, the AMA (American Medical Association) is in part financed by Pfizer, which owns Monsanto, the company that manufactured controversial and proven-to-be-dangerous products such as the insecticide DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin",2014-04-12 00:28:33 +"The oral polio vaccine grown on chimpanzee kidneys in Africa just prior to the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and administered to ~3m people, is almost certainly the culprit of said disease in humans.",3,22rxpg,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/22qvcz/anyone_else_notice_a_lot_of_postscomments/cgpl2sr,1,1397251049.0,"The oral polio vaccine grown on chimpanzee kidneys in Africa just prior to the emergence of HIV/AIDS, and administered to ~3m people, is almost certainly the culprit of said disease in humans.",2014-04-12 00:17:29 +Roald Dahl's daughter died from measles.,17,22qebu,http://quantumblog.tumblr.com/post/82284530486/olivia-my-eldest-daughter-caught-measles-when,3,1397199247.0,Roald Dahl's daughter died from measles.,2014-04-11 09:54:07 +"Can't do math, tries convincing the Amish don't vaccinate, can't provide proof that the Amish are not susceptible to vaccine-preventable diseases, jumps to a 2002 video about congressional hearings regarding dental amalgams, ignores fact that thimerosal is no longer in required childhood vaccines.",12,22nbyh,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/22k0hq/how_to_talk_to_vaccinehesitant_parents/cgo52l4,1,1397113698.0,"Can't do math, tries convincing the Amish don't vaccinate, can't provide proof that the Amish are not susceptible to vaccine-preventable diseases, jumps to a 2002 video about congressional hearings regarding dental amalgams, ignores fact that thimerosal is no longer in required childhood vaccines.",2014-04-10 10:08:18 +Docs challenge opt-out laws for childhood vaccines,19,22jo26,http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2014/04/08/doctors-challenge-opt-laws-childhood-vaccines/7460961/,3,1397017378.0,Docs challenge opt-out laws for childhood vaccines,2014-04-09 07:22:58 +Dog autism caused by owners giving unnecessary dog vaccines.,6,22iuhw,http://www.vetinfo.com/dog-autism-symptoms.html#b,2,1397000292.0,Dog autism caused by owners giving unnecessary dog vaccines.,2014-04-09 02:38:12 +An easy to understand summary of the evidence:,2,22ipkk,http://youtu.be/o65l1YAVaYc,1,1396997251.0,An easy to understand summary of the evidence:,2014-04-09 01:47:31 +"Hydration and a cold rag are all that are needed for measles because it works wonders. Also there is, apparently, too much hype about death from measles.",8,22hr62,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/22g7xj/school_in_canada_makes_nonvaccinated_students/cgmx8yo,4,1396961774.0,"Hydration and a cold rag are all that are needed for measles because it works wonders. Also there is, apparently, too much hype about death from measles.",2014-04-08 15:56:14 +"Besides, vaccination immunity wears off. Contracting the Measles and actually letting your body immunize itself naturally means it will become immune for life.",6,22hq9b,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/22g7xj/school_in_canada_makes_nonvaccinated_students/cgms8v7,2,1396960990.0,"Besides, vaccination immunity wears off. Contracting the Measles and actually letting your body immunize itself naturally means it will become immune for life.",2014-04-08 15:43:10 +"""There is a bot-based campaign to ATTACK NAA - a great org - started at the kitchen table of real autism Moms""",2,22hpyc,http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/04/heroes-chilis-supports-safety-for-people-with-autism-thank-you.html,1,1396960712.0,"""There is a bot-based campaign to ATTACK NAA - a great org - started at the kitchen table of real autism Moms""",2014-04-08 15:38:32 +"""We haven't even looked at that page — it's been up there for years,"" she said of the section on the group's site that says vaccines can trigger autism.",7,22h8oq,http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/chilis-backs-off-autism-event-backlash-23222904,6,1396949323.0,"""We haven't even looked at that page — it's been up there for years,"" she said of the section on the group's site that says vaccines can trigger autism.",2014-04-08 12:28:43 +"Much like Natural News, the NAA is routinely defamed by the mainstream media through the deliberate engineering and publication of false, defamatory lies and misinformation intentionally spread by the medical mafia to try to shut down anyone who questions vaccine safety",3,22ewes,http://www.naturalnews.com/044620_Chilis_autism_awareness_week_medical_mafia.html,5,1396892305.0,"Much like Natural News, the NAA is routinely defamed by the mainstream media through the deliberate engineering and publication of false, defamatory lies and misinformation intentionally spread by the medical mafia to try to shut down anyone who questions vaccine safety",2014-04-07 20:38:25 +Chili's Cancels Plan To Fundraise For Anti-Vaccination Autism Group (UPDATE),11,22e28e,http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5101026,1,1396863705.0,Chili's Cancels Plan To Fundraise For Anti-Vaccination Autism Group (UPDATE),2014-04-07 12:41:45 +No mystery why the measles have returned,7,22dvr1,http://www.thoroldedition.ca/2014/04/06/no-mystery-why-the-measles-have-returned,1,1396859194.0,No mystery why the measles have returned,2014-04-07 11:26:34 +Success!!!,24,22dcir,http://i.imgur.com/YXsaK71.png,12,1396846107.0,Success!!!,2014-04-07 07:48:27 +Chili's Fail,3,22bkdv,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/22bkdv/chilis_fail/,0,1396784676.0,"I bet the local health departments (who promote vaccinations) would be more than happy to cooperate in having random and repeated inspections of all Brinker properties... + +Please tweet or contact Chili's on Facebook to let them know your opinion",2014-04-06 14:44:36 +Chili's Response to Fundraising for an Anti Vaxx group,16,227jx3,http://i.imgur.com/a10JVrY.jpg,11,1396663993.0,Chili's Response to Fundraising for an Anti Vaxx group,2014-04-05 05:13:13 +"Polio is transmitted through the fecal/oral route. Gates hasnt built one well or improved sanitation in these countries, just jab jab jab. ""Donates"" millions to his own companies to vaccinate children and "" women of child bearing years"". This is exactly what Rothchild did on his eugenics bent.",5,22694l,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1can13/every_time_i_post_something_about_bill_gates_and/c9exeki,1,1396623142.0,"Polio is transmitted through the fecal/oral route. Gates hasnt built one well or improved sanitation in these countries, just jab jab jab. ""Donates"" millions to his own companies to vaccinate children and "" women of child bearing years"". This is exactly what Rothchild did on his eugenics bent.",2014-04-04 17:52:22 +"I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby, I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby, I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby...Chili's Baby Anti Vax Idiots!",14,2267jy,http://i.imgur.com/eRMkuhN.jpg,1,1396621360.0,"I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby, I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby, I want my Mumps and Measles Back in my Baby...Chili's Baby Anti Vax Idiots!",2014-04-04 17:22:40 +"""You believe what you want, but I know what happened to my child. I don't care what studies you have posted""",13,2262gy,http://i.imgur.com/VkjozI3.jpg,4,1396616434.0,"""You believe what you want, but I know what happened to my child. I don't care what studies you have posted""",2014-04-04 16:00:34 +"""It has been proven time and again that vaccines trigger adverse reactions in certain individuals,"" states NAA President and parent Wendy Fournier in defense of Andrew Wakefield",6,225zg5,http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/national-autism-association-says-bmj-article-is-yet-another-attempt-to-thwart-vaccine-safety-researc.html,2,1396613800.0,"""It has been proven time and again that vaccines trigger adverse reactions in certain individuals,"" states NAA President and parent Wendy Fournier in defense of Andrew Wakefield",2014-04-04 15:16:40 +@NationalAutism - Some fine twitter anti vax BS,3,225vyu,https://twitter.com/nationalautism/status/274251664444235776,2,1396611095.0,@NationalAutism - Some fine twitter anti vax BS,2014-04-04 14:31:35 +The Bullshit The National Autism Association Promotes (and Chili's Restaurants apparently endorses),7,225oe6,http://i.imgur.com/c0nKwg5.jpg,1,1396605788.0,The Bullshit The National Autism Association Promotes (and Chili's Restaurants apparently endorses),2014-04-04 13:03:08 +"How Fixing a ""Broken Cheeseburger"" Brought Chili's To Contribute To Anti Vaxxers - A Press Release In The WSJ",4,225o59,http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140402-912405.html,2,1396605611.0,"How Fixing a ""Broken Cheeseburger"" Brought Chili's To Contribute To Anti Vaxxers - A Press Release In The WSJ",2014-04-04 13:00:11 +Chili's Restaurants Goes Full Derp - Hooks Up With Anti Vaxxer Charity - Will Give 10% of Mondays (April 7) Sales To A Pseudoscience Autism Group,14,225mx6,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/225m0q/chilis_to_donate_10_of_every_check_on_april_7th/,4,1396604757.0,Chili's Restaurants Goes Full Derp - Hooks Up With Anti Vaxxer Charity - Will Give 10% of Mondays (April 7) Sales To A Pseudoscience Autism Group,2014-04-04 12:45:57 +"Milk is used to control the populace, not vaccines. That's why you can't buy milk from a farm legally, it has to fda regulated.",4,225at0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2255qi/i_know_reddit_is_seriously_provaccination_and_i/cgjgwp6,1,1396596498.0,"Milk is used to control the populace, not vaccines. That's why you can't buy milk from a farm legally, it has to fda regulated.",2014-04-04 10:28:18 +Boom. Undeniable proof of the dangers of vaccines. Big pharma won't stop until they kill all of us.,3,2251cj,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/224nz4/a_new_autoimmunity_syndrome_linked_to_aluminum_in/cgjauy3,2,1396590646.0,Boom. Undeniable proof of the dangers of vaccines. Big pharma won't stop until they kill all of us.,2014-04-04 08:50:46 +"TIL ""it was proven in a Federal court that MMR vaccine caused autism in several children, prompting multi-million dollar verdict""",7,224lw0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/224kbe/til_it_was_proven_in_a_federal_court_that_mmr/,5,1396581787.0,"TIL ""it was proven in a Federal court that MMR vaccine caused autism in several children, prompting multi-million dollar verdict""",2014-04-04 06:23:07 +It's a known fact that the US Gov't created AIDS. I'm getting the feeling that vaccines are being used to spread it and keep the population down. What do you think?,0,224518,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/223yhq/its_a_known_fact_that_the_us_govt_created_aids_im/,1,1396572022.0,It's a known fact that the US Gov't created AIDS. I'm getting the feeling that vaccines are being used to spread it and keep the population down. What do you think?,2014-04-04 03:40:22 +Typical debate with an anti-vaxer (I'm teal),23,223dj9,http://imgur.com/a/Qwhin,16,1396551394.0,Typical debate with an anti-vaxer (I'm teal),2014-04-03 21:56:34 +"The argument for 'herd immunity' is completely invalid, because one person should not be able to compel another to do something they don't want to protect the first person. That is simply tyranny.",4,22305h,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/222yo9/cmv_people_should_be_able_to_not_vaccinate_their/,10,1396534472.0,"The argument for 'herd immunity' is completely invalid, because one person should not be able to compel another to do something they don't want to protect the first person. That is simply tyranny.",2014-04-03 17:14:32 +From /r/Rage,43,221h6d,http://imgur.com/a/sZf8z,13,1396497709.0,From /r/Rage,2014-04-03 07:01:49 +These doctors should be ashamed of themselves for submitting this family to such a terrifying ordeal.,0,2211n5,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/220mxm/parents_told_to_vaccinate_newborn_or_have_him/cgi9wfe,1,1396488770.0,These doctors should be ashamed of themselves for submitting this family to such a terrifying ordeal.,2014-04-03 04:32:50 +I would rage if this was handed to me...,1184,21zc6n,http://m.imgur.com/a/bZDWg,596,1396434762.0,I would rage if this was handed to me...,2014-04-02 13:32:42 +Vaccines Cause Peanut Allergies!,8,21xswj,http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/allergies/vaccines-and-the-peanut-allergy-epidemic/,2,1396401455.0,Vaccines Cause Peanut Allergies!,2014-04-02 04:17:35 +"The hive mind has little time for vaccines, this is clearly the propagandist team. It's about time Reddit investigate them and put a stop to this obvious manipulation and misinformation.",3,21xi7l,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21xeo5/front_page_vaccine_propaganda_continues/cghd8iq,2,1396395569.0,"The hive mind has little time for vaccines, this is clearly the propagandist team. It's about time Reddit investigate them and put a stop to this obvious manipulation and misinformation.",2014-04-02 02:39:29 +"Autism is NOT one thing with one cause. In many cases of what is called Autism, we are looking at vaccine damage, pure and simple. Then CALL IT VACCINE DAMAGE, NOT AUTISM. Call “it” what it is found to be, in that child. The label is a deception.",3,21x2yf,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiro/comments/1o8awq/autism_is_not_one_thing_with_one_cause_in_many/,2,1396385445.0,"Autism is NOT one thing with one cause. In many cases of what is called Autism, we are looking at vaccine damage, pure and simple. Then CALL IT VACCINE DAMAGE, NOT AUTISM. Call “it” what it is found to be, in that child. The label is a deception.",2014-04-01 23:50:45 +"I feel that the general, blanket acceptance of anything called a vaccine, and the instant dismissal of anything considered ""anti-vaccine"" currently circulating reddit is dangerous.",0,21wyue,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/21w9de/til_an_extremely_effective_lyme_disease_vaccine/cgh8as4,1,1396381392.0,"I feel that the general, blanket acceptance of anything called a vaccine, and the instant dismissal of anything considered ""anti-vaccine"" currently circulating reddit is dangerous.",2014-04-01 22:43:12 +"Activist posting: so many inaccuracies...my head hurts. If I didn't know this person actually believed what they wrote, I would think it was purely satire.",3,21w1i2,http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/hands-off-our-vaccine-exemptions.html,1,1396350023.0,"Activist posting: so many inaccuracies...my head hurts. If I didn't know this person actually believed what they wrote, I would think it was purely satire.",2014-04-01 14:00:23 +The Bizarro Logic of /r/Conspiracy,8,21sylw,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21qyuw/vaccination_is_not_immunization_the_gold_standard/cgfpt43,2,1396269118.0,The Bizarro Logic of /r/Conspiracy,2014-03-31 15:31:58 +Hands Off Our Vaccine Exemptions: Blaming an unvaccinated child for the spread of a disease they’ve never had on a population that is almost entirely vaccinated is like you blaming a random person’s cat in Oklahoma for the grey hair you found on your head. : conspiracy,3,21ruyd,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21qyoq/hands_off_our_vaccine_exemptions_blaming_an/,1,1396241917.0,Hands Off Our Vaccine Exemptions: Blaming an unvaccinated child for the spread of a disease they’ve never had on a population that is almost entirely vaccinated is like you blaming a random person’s cat in Oklahoma for the grey hair you found on your head. : conspiracy,2014-03-31 07:58:37 +I also don't trust any governments to stab me with needles with their word as all my assurance of what exactly they are shooting me full of. Not all conspiracy theorists are nuts when it comes to the covert eugenics programs of the medical industry,1,21qx0c,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/21ovsf/mandatory_vaccines_how_do_you_feel_about_it/cgfduz2,2,1396218455.0,I also don't trust any governments to stab me with needles with their word as all my assurance of what exactly they are shooting me full of. Not all conspiracy theorists are nuts when it comes to the covert eugenics programs of the medical industry,2014-03-31 01:27:35 +Sticking a metal object into my skin and injecting who know's what (someone can tell you what it is but you're assuming if you didn't make it yourself) into my body is not my opinion of what is natural. So I don't do it.,0,21qglg,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21mdys/anyone_else_notice_a_rise_in_posts_about/cgew2qd,1,1396195815.0,Sticking a metal object into my skin and injecting who know's what (someone can tell you what it is but you're assuming if you didn't make it yourself) into my body is not my opinion of what is natural. So I don't do it.,2014-03-30 19:10:15 +"What exactly would mandatory vaccines look like? It could very well look like Child Protective Services kidnapping children from families who are not ""modern"" enough, including children in ghettos, in reservations, in Appalachian poor rural areas, in off-grid radical families",2,21plqu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/21ovsf/mandatory_vaccines_how_do_you_feel_about_it/cgf7yzu,2,1396167783.0,"What exactly would mandatory vaccines look like? It could very well look like Child Protective Services kidnapping children from families who are not ""modern"" enough, including children in ghettos, in reservations, in Appalachian poor rural areas, in off-grid radical families",2014-03-30 11:23:03 +I've offered some evidence that polio is not what you think it is and that the mainstream history of the polio vaccine is grossly incorrect...I honestly have no reason to engage with you further.,2,21bu7c,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/21bn9y/more_bullshit_vaccine_propaganda_on_the_front/cgbhub2,1,1395790680.0,I've offered some evidence that polio is not what you think it is and that the mainstream history of the polio vaccine is grossly incorrect...I honestly have no reason to engage with you further.,2014-03-26 01:38:00 +The main reason I am cautious about vaccines is that my brother sustained a vaccine-related injury as a child - and is now severely retarded.,0,21accc,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/218jvi/serious_antivaxxers_of_reddit_why_are_you_against/cgarbdw,1,1395742012.0,The main reason I am cautious about vaccines is that my brother sustained a vaccine-related injury as a child - and is now severely retarded.,2014-03-25 12:06:52 +anti-vax blogger make some points that i am unequipped to refute.,5,217ind,http://ancestral-nutrition.com/why-jenny-mccarthy-katie-couric-and-kristin-cavallari-are-my-new-heroes/,4,1395666674.0,anti-vax blogger make some points that i am unequipped to refute.,2014-03-24 15:11:14 +Here's Why Celebs Shouldn't Play Doctor,3,216jjo,http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/03/21/anti-vaccine-celebrities-should-stop-playing-doctor?cmpid=organic-share-reddit,1,1395642391.0,Here's Why Celebs Shouldn't Play Doctor,2014-03-24 08:26:31 +Whooping Cough News Coverage is Part of a Jewish Conspiracy,4,211ygn,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/science/comments/20yfip/whooping_cough_outbreaks_tied_to_parents_shunning/cg8bl5m,1,1395489687.0,Whooping Cough News Coverage is Part of a Jewish Conspiracy,2014-03-22 14:01:27 +"The Answer is 'Yes, Yes it Does'",18,20z2ec,http://i.imgur.com/JVRqifI.jpg,2,1395408346.0,"The Answer is 'Yes, Yes it Does'",2014-03-21 15:25:46 +'good idea',2,20z2by,http://i.imgur.com/YVyRZ8c.jpg,2,1395408283.0,'good idea',2014-03-21 15:24:43 +It stems from flawed thinking and ignorance. All of the vehement vaccine people don't realize that there's no such thing as herd immunity,0,20ywek,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/20egd2/if_this_isnt_propaganda_i_dont_know_what_isthanks/cg2igxd,1,1395403507.0,It stems from flawed thinking and ignorance. All of the vehement vaccine people don't realize that there's no such thing as herd immunity,2014-03-21 14:05:07 +Creative Problem Solving,14,20yoyd,http://imgur.com/4kd9rxV,1,1395398394.0,Creative Problem Solving,2014-03-21 12:39:54 +Keep this in mind,19,20uw2x,http://i.imgur.com/8yGsHit.jpg,1,1395301376.0,Keep this in mind,2014-03-20 09:42:56 +"It's just like the common cold, really...",3,20tbxt,http://i.imgur.com/lHz07iP.jpg,2,1395269393.0,"It's just like the common cold, really...",2014-03-20 00:49:53 +"I've never had had a vaccination shot and get a cold maybe once a year. Know what you eat, stay healthy, wash your hands, it's that simple. To each their own obviously, but some people in this post need to chill the fuck out.",0,20dqj5,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/20dc5b/jay_cutler_and_wife_kristin_cavallari_come_out_as/cg26p1m,1,1394802066.0,"I've never had had a vaccination shot and get a cold maybe once a year. Know what you eat, stay healthy, wash your hands, it's that simple. To each their own obviously, but some people in this post need to chill the fuck out.",2014-03-14 15:01:06 +"We have a pharmaceutical industry that has brought us absolute poisons like Vioxx and has introduced a series of bullshit vaccines like HPV and flu ""vaccines."" Moreover, the industry has completely captured the FDA and most of the academic institutions that research its products.",0,20dq9o,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/20djdl/thanks_antivaxxers_you_just_brought_back_measles/cg285d8,1,1394801823.0,"We have a pharmaceutical industry that has brought us absolute poisons like Vioxx and has introduced a series of bullshit vaccines like HPV and flu ""vaccines."" Moreover, the industry has completely captured the FDA and most of the academic institutions that research its products.",2014-03-14 14:57:03 +Water vs Mercury,5,204uhp,http://i.imgur.com/mFNNdPY.jpg,4,1394571015.0,Water vs Mercury,2014-03-11 22:50:15 +Swine Flu Immunity Confirmed,6,1zyy6b,http://i.imgur.com/QSeTOcD.jpg,3,1394408406.0,Swine Flu Immunity Confirmed,2014-03-10 01:40:06 +"Vaccines cause SIDs, according to one extremely incompetent commenter.",4,1zrm8s,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1zhdsj/antivaccination_parents_dig_in_heels_even_after/cfu1yfo,4,1394180480.0,"Vaccines cause SIDs, according to one extremely incompetent commenter.",2014-03-07 10:21:20 +"Yep, this is one of the main reasons why this type of propaganda backfires. If they really wanted us to take their vaccines they'd be better off not bringing more attention to them.",0,1zmwc2,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1zjces/provaccination_propaganda_is_backfiring_study/cfu59sp,1,1394065856.0,"Yep, this is one of the main reasons why this type of propaganda backfires. If they really wanted us to take their vaccines they'd be better off not bringing more attention to them.",2014-03-06 02:30:56 +"I keep hearing, vaccines don't cause autism. It's been 'proven'. Well if this was really so why have the US vaccine courts (the ones that protect the company and make the tax payer foot the bill) paid out money for vaccine induced autism",3,1ziwgx,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1zhdsj/antivaccination_parents_dig_in_heels_even_after/cfu01ap,4,1393965819.0,"I keep hearing, vaccines don't cause autism. It's been 'proven'. Well if this was really so why have the US vaccine courts (the ones that protect the company and make the tax payer foot the bill) paid out money for vaccine induced autism",2014-03-04 22:43:39 +"Hello, My Name Is",7,1zdb6g,http://m.imgur.com/AKkJi5G,4,1393819668.0,"Hello, My Name Is",2014-03-03 06:07:48 +...but im not a biologist or even a chemist or doctor lol,4,1za4c0,http://m.imgur.com/a/XjbaR,3,1393727065.0,...but im not a biologist or even a chemist or doctor lol,2014-03-02 04:24:25 +The most common injury I have seen is vaccine induced MS.,1,1za3as,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1za2qo/im_going_to_keep_submitting_this_this_needs_to_be/,2,1393726389.0,The most common injury I have seen is vaccine induced MS.,2014-03-02 04:13:09 +...and sent to jail,3,1z32zb,http://i.imgur.com/25flhz3.jpg,2,1393538534.0,...and sent to jail,2014-02-28 00:02:14 +Humans are not being considered when someone is making such a mighty profit. we were created with a certain DNA and it shouldn't be tampered with by vaccines.,0,1z32hd,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1yxv6m/take_the_risk/,1,1393538128.0,Humans are not being considered when someone is making such a mighty profit. we were created with a certain DNA and it shouldn't be tampered with by vaccines.,2014-02-27 23:55:28 +"The dtap (acellular pertussis vaccine) actually isn't very effective against whooping cough. Fortunately, you can treat whooping cough with vitamin c.",2,1z32be,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/1z0v2r/im_trying_to_raise_funds_for_a_vaccines_save/cfppfjt,1,1393537968.0,"The dtap (acellular pertussis vaccine) actually isn't very effective against whooping cough. Fortunately, you can treat whooping cough with vitamin c.",2014-02-27 23:52:48 +...other than penicillin,7,1z326l,http://i.imgur.com/2MwMKeg.jpg,3,1393537841.0,...other than penicillin,2014-02-27 23:50:41 +In a larger context commerce is war and that is what this is all about re: two ex-Navy SEALS turn up dead on the Maersk Alabama (Tom Hanks movie on pirates).,0,1z31s9,http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion/2014/02/compelling-vaccine-testimony-from-a-desert-storm-veteran-mind-boggling-video-2448174.html,1,1393537511.0,In a larger context commerce is war and that is what this is all about re: two ex-Navy SEALS turn up dead on the Maersk Alabama (Tom Hanks movie on pirates).,2014-02-27 23:45:11 +Rat Poison,4,1yxghy,http://i.imgur.com/cK3og25.jpg,2,1393393732.0,Rat Poison,2014-02-26 07:48:52 +"The Amish don't vaccinate (they actually do), big-pharma...you know the drill",5,1ywbj4,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1wvlek/pediatrician_vaccinate_your_kidsor_get_out_of_my/cfo6wej,2,1393371169.0,"The Amish don't vaccinate (they actually do), big-pharma...you know the drill",2014-02-26 01:32:49 +Irrefutable Prufe,10,1y8rac,http://i.imgur.com/2GJQiFb.jpg,5,1392762552.0,Irrefutable Prufe,2014-02-19 00:29:12 +You are the only person here that knows what you're talking about.,3,1y0s0k,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/1y0s0k/you_are_the_only_person_here_that_knows_what/,5,1392538295.0," + +I think this guy is probably doing these ""unvaccinated undesirables"" a favor by staying away from them. Nobody likes a pretentious douchebag, especially one that doesn't really understand how vaccines work. + +Don't worry about the down votes, I'm un subscribing to this sub anyway. I realize reddit is a pro vaccine community but you guys aren't even bothering to try to back up your position, you just automatically condemn anyone who doesn't think just like you. It's wrong and if what you're really worried about is children going unvaccinated, you've done nothing but convince these people that they're doing the right thing because you're nothing but a bunch of haters. How would you know if a child was unvaccinated unless the parents told you? + +Peace out and haters to the left.",2014-02-16 10:11:35 +"Although I don't agree with all of the article, it really made me question vaccines. If they don't work and can even cause illness, why are we using them?",0,1xsjib,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1xrvq4/i_dont_plan_to_vaccinate_my_children_cmv/,1,1392315044.0,"Although I don't agree with all of the article, it really made me question vaccines. If they don't work and can even cause illness, why are we using them?",2014-02-13 20:10:44 +"""Don't you see the absurdity of advocating for blanket one-size-fits-vaccinations? Not yet? Fire back so I can keep educating you.""",8,1wyihs,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/antivax/comments/1w0hmm/why_is_this_sub_called_antivax_if_it_is_actually/cf6bpoa,2,1391516418.0,"""Don't you see the absurdity of advocating for blanket one-size-fits-vaccinations? Not yet? Fire back so I can keep educating you.""",2014-02-04 14:20:18 +"Anti-vaccine blogger ""refutes"" LA Times Whooping Cough Story. She thinks she has a monopoly on the ""truth""",6,1wxgjy,http://gianelloni.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/la-times-and-the-whooping-cough-story/,1,1391493792.0,"Anti-vaccine blogger ""refutes"" LA Times Whooping Cough Story. She thinks she has a monopoly on the ""truth""",2014-02-04 08:03:12 +Dr Dre would have been slightly more credible...,8,1wq90e,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTU-uXdEq84,1,1391294968.0,Dr Dre would have been slightly more credible...,2014-02-02 00:49:28 +50 Reasons to Not Vaccinate your Children!,0,1wn42f,http://www.endalldisease.com/50-reasons-to-not-vaccinate-your-children/,2,1391202250.0,50 Reasons to Not Vaccinate your Children!,2014-01-31 23:04:10 +Shut Down the FDA,2,1wn3te,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1wlarg/should_the_fda_be_shutdown/,2,1391201981.0,Shut Down the FDA,2014-01-31 22:59:41 +"""I consider the dangers posed by the side effects of vaccines to be greater than the dangers posed by the diseases those vaccinations are supposed to prevent""",0,1wn3my,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1wm2hz/going_to_be_a_new_mom_soon_questions_about/cf3i8ar,4,1391201755.0,"""I consider the dangers posed by the side effects of vaccines to be greater than the dangers posed by the diseases those vaccinations are supposed to prevent""",2014-01-31 22:55:55 +"""The CDC and FDA are not credible sources"" uses th CDC to prove a point...",9,1wi8lz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1w9xpr/vaccine_fears_are_causing_an_influx_of/cf1iryc,2,1391065684.0,"""The CDC and FDA are not credible sources"" uses th CDC to prove a point...",2014-01-30 09:08:04 +No real quote from this guy. You just have to read what he's writing. He's completely bungling immunology.,6,1wfggi,http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1w9xpr/vaccine_fears_are_causing_an_influx_of/cf0nl9z,4,1390991345.0,No real quote from this guy. You just have to read what he's writing. He's completely bungling immunology.,2014-01-29 12:29:05 +This will enrich Big Pharma and allow the Government to put whatever chemical into the public's bloodstream they the Government see's fit. This is putting too much trust in the Government,2,1wd4v0,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1wboy2/big_pharma_and_corporate_media_team_up_for/cf0h5qc,0,1390938150.0,This will enrich Big Pharma and allow the Government to put whatever chemical into the public's bloodstream they the Government see's fit. This is putting too much trust in the Government,2014-01-28 21:42:30 +This is a pretty terribly written blog.,5,1wcagm,http://resistancejournals.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-vaccine-debate.html,4,1390907718.0,This is a pretty terribly written blog.,2014-01-28 13:15:18 +"Those in favor of vaccines are ""fighting a loosing battle."" ""It's stupid to vaccinate a 5 minute old infant against a sexually transmitted disease.""",10,1w5o4i,http://np.reddit.com/r/antivax/comments/1w0hmm/why_is_this_sub_called_antivax_if_it_is_actually/ceyve72,8,1390726193.0,"Those in favor of vaccines are ""fighting a loosing battle."" ""It's stupid to vaccinate a 5 minute old infant against a sexually transmitted disease.""",2014-01-26 10:49:53 +"I stopped reading at the second sentence, first paragraph, when you asked me to prove to you that diet and exercise are healthy and boost the immune system. Such elementary ignorance warrants no further interest.",6,1vypcf,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1m9dli/measles_outbreak_in_us_highest_in_17_years_due/cewae0y,1,1390533146.0,"I stopped reading at the second sentence, first paragraph, when you asked me to prove to you that diet and exercise are healthy and boost the immune system. Such elementary ignorance warrants no further interest.",2014-01-24 05:12:26 +"The toll of the anti-vaccination movement, in one devastating graphic",14,1vvac1,"http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-antivaccination-movement-20140120,0,5576371.story#axzz2r9XVqQ5M",1,1390443837.0,"The toll of the anti-vaccination movement, in one devastating graphic",2014-01-23 04:23:57 +Myths & Legends Surrounding the Tetanus Shot,5,1vuu7l,http://www.amoils.com/health-blog/myths-legends-surrounding-the-tetanus-shot/,3,1390434062.0,Myths & Legends Surrounding the Tetanus Shot,2014-01-23 01:41:02 +"had h1n1 and drank raw garlic tea 4x a day for 4 days. I was sick but managed quite well. Some friends that had it said they thought they were going to die, but it felt like mild flu to me.",4,1vu6dz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1vu0so/pandemrix_an_antiswine_flu_h1n1_vaccination/cevtgcq,3,1390407170.0,"had h1n1 and drank raw garlic tea 4x a day for 4 days. I was sick but managed quite well. Some friends that had it said they thought they were going to die, but it felt like mild flu to me.",2014-01-22 18:12:50 +Fwd Fwd Fwd Like And Share,0,1vtcap,http://i.imgur.com/4jS5oU6.jpg,1,1390384329.0,Fwd Fwd Fwd Like And Share,2014-01-22 11:52:09 +"The flu vaccine gave me the flu. Someone with an ironic username proves anti-flu-vaccine guy wrong over and over again, but he doesn't actually comprehend what ironically named guy says.",9,1vofc7,https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/1vofc7/the_flu_vaccine_gave_me_the_flu_someone_with_an/,7,1390262550.0,"http://imgur.com/oAWuM0b + +This is quite an exchange! One guy claims the flu shot gave him the flu. Someone else links him credible source that you can't get the flu from the flu shot. First guy doesn't seem to quite get it.",2014-01-21 02:02:30 +"For all we know, there could be some other substance that deliberately alters our immune system keeping us reliant on pharmaceuticals and such",3,1vo1y1,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1vheac/i_think_the_most_sensical_argument_against/,1,1390250491.0,"For all we know, there could be some other substance that deliberately alters our immune system keeping us reliant on pharmaceuticals and such",2014-01-20 22:41:31 +Bill 'totally Hitler' Gates,5,1vo1pe,http://i.imgur.com/p2bVgh8.jpg,1,1390250190.0,Bill 'totally Hitler' Gates,2014-01-20 22:36:30 +So Sure,12,1vnptz,http://i.imgur.com/EJAroDY.jpg,2,1390234241.0,So Sure,2014-01-20 18:10:41 +500%,3,1vmdvn,http://i.imgur.com/T1Duy0Z.jpg,2,1390197828.0,500%,2014-01-20 08:03:48 +Was told to submit this here.,13,1vm35h,http://www.livememe.com/tk1jo2p,2,1390190572.0,Was told to submit this here.,2014-01-20 06:02:52 +Not worth the risk. Vaccines have thimerosil in them and I don't want mercury in my body or my son's body. I'll take my chances with measles,4,1viwzr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/VACCINES/comments/1l1itq/i_came_here_because_i_am_antivaccines/cbvvj09,2,1390086472.0,Not worth the risk. Vaccines have thimerosil in them and I don't want mercury in my body or my son's body. I'll take my chances with measles,2014-01-19 01:07:52 +"""There's trust issues between First Nations and the government and when they say we're going to prioritize, we want to keep you healthy, people are like, 'Uh, what's in that shot?'",0,1vhdmh,http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/first-nations-woman-struggles-with-flu-shot-decision-1.2499613,1,1390027578.0,"""There's trust issues between First Nations and the government and when they say we're going to prioritize, we want to keep you healthy, people are like, 'Uh, what's in that shot?'",2014-01-18 08:46:18 +Peanut oil in vaccines behind widespread peanut allergy epidemic,3,1vguin,http://www.naturalnews.com/039192_peanut_oil_vaccines_allergies.html,1,1390015298.0,Peanut oil in vaccines behind widespread peanut allergy epidemic,2014-01-18 05:21:38 +"The flu never killed anyone, the Spanish Flu was just a hoax: it was actually aspirin poisoning!",6,1vgwyb,http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/10/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over-freedom-of-information-act-documents-from-uk-reveal-30-years-of-coverup/,2,1390016871.0,"The flu never killed anyone, the Spanish Flu was just a hoax: it was actually aspirin poisoning!",2014-01-18 05:47:51 +It should be up to the parents to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children. Vaccines are not risk-free.,1,1vgv93,http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpqau,5,1390015769.0,It should be up to the parents to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children. Vaccines are not risk-free.,2014-01-18 05:29:29 +I'm sure you all understand scientific theory is theory because science itself admits it doesn't fucking know... But all of you on your high horses with your bro-knowledge and half read studies know this and are being close minded gits because you've read more than everyone else and know more,2,1vg1kr,http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/certzjj,3,1389995273.0,I'm sure you all understand scientific theory is theory because science itself admits it doesn't fucking know... But all of you on your high horses with your bro-knowledge and half read studies know this and are being close minded gits because you've read more than everyone else and know more,2014-01-17 23:47:53 +Let's not forget vaccines come from big pharma. Billions and billions are at stake if a cure is found.,4,1vftqd,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cersb9f,1,1389985302.0,Let's not forget vaccines come from big pharma. Billions and billions are at stake if a cure is found.,2014-01-17 21:01:42 +of course there's no connection. Its not like the vaccine schedule has more than doubled and we have gone from 1 in 400 to 1 in 80.,0,1vft6m,http://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/certau8,2,1389984447.0,of course there's no connection. Its not like the vaccine schedule has more than doubled and we have gone from 1 in 400 to 1 in 80.,2014-01-17 20:47:27 +If you find the truth they destroy you. Sadly most people don't think twice about what is in the vaccination. The FDA is hardly seeing oversight on anything they deem safe.,0,1vfras,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cersso5,1,1389981413.0,If you find the truth they destroy you. Sadly most people don't think twice about what is in the vaccination. The FDA is hardly seeing oversight on anything they deem safe.,2014-01-17 19:56:53 +"Never fails, if you want to bring out the comment bots, shill posters, paid plants and computer generated public opinion spinning bots in the reddit comment section, talk about vax.",0,1vfqr8,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerskme,1,1389980559.0,"Never fails, if you want to bring out the comment bots, shill posters, paid plants and computer generated public opinion spinning bots in the reddit comment section, talk about vax.",2014-01-17 19:42:39 +Why Trust Scientists?,25,1vfnb9,http://i.imgur.com/M9F9c70.jpg,1,1389975405.0,Why Trust Scientists?,2014-01-17 18:16:45 +"You are pathetic, and so are the paid shills that produce these ""results"". Fuck you, go to hell and stop spreading your bullshit to the rest of the world, and hopefully, maybe some day your shitty country gets blown off the map.",2,1vfn9l,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerr3vt,1,1389975328.0,"You are pathetic, and so are the paid shills that produce these ""results"". Fuck you, go to hell and stop spreading your bullshit to the rest of the world, and hopefully, maybe some day your shitty country gets blown off the map.",2014-01-17 18:15:28 +"Why do so many people in this thread demand that parents vaccinate kids? There is legitimate concern that vaccines are dangerous, therefor parents have the right to choose.",0,1vfn56,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerr6ht,1,1389975138.0,"Why do so many people in this thread demand that parents vaccinate kids? There is legitimate concern that vaccines are dangerous, therefor parents have the right to choose.",2014-01-17 18:12:18 +the vaccine cocktail that is pushed on every child unless their parents fight it can cause all sorts of problems. Not to mention that drug companies have been known to use harmful substances such as mercury to extend the shelf life of the product.,0,1vfn3t,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerr6oa,1,1389975089.0,the vaccine cocktail that is pushed on every child unless their parents fight it can cause all sorts of problems. Not to mention that drug companies have been known to use harmful substances such as mercury to extend the shelf life of the product.,2014-01-17 18:11:29 +Of course the scumbags in the pharmacutical industry heads got him banned easily after talking to the scumbags in londonstan . See instead of having sex with the top guy in the pharmaceutical industry to secure your job you have to be pro murdering childrens future,1,1vfn14,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerrexk,1,1389974998.0,Of course the scumbags in the pharmacutical industry heads got him banned easily after talking to the scumbags in londonstan . See instead of having sex with the top guy in the pharmaceutical industry to secure your job you have to be pro murdering childrens future,2014-01-17 18:09:58 +"Revoked?!? It's research, not to mention this individual's passion. A big old fuck you to whomever revoked is life's work!",1,1vfmze,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerrka6,1,1389974918.0,"Revoked?!? It's research, not to mention this individual's passion. A big old fuck you to whomever revoked is life's work!",2014-01-17 18:08:38 +"has anyone seen the video of Dr. Maurice Hilleman who developed measles, mumps, hep a, hep b, chickenpox, meninigits, pneumonia vaccines with Merck admit to putting cancer viruses in the vaccines",3,1vfmyb,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerrlmx,1,1389974876.0,"has anyone seen the video of Dr. Maurice Hilleman who developed measles, mumps, hep a, hep b, chickenpox, meninigits, pneumonia vaccines with Merck admit to putting cancer viruses in the vaccines",2014-01-17 18:07:56 +"And while Dr. Wakefield has been persecuted and prosecuted to the extent of being unable to legally practice medicine because of his discovery, he has instead become a best-selling author, the founder of the Strategic Autism Initiative, and the Director of the Autism Media Channel",4,1vfm16,http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/08/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism.html?m=1,2,1389973626.0,"And while Dr. Wakefield has been persecuted and prosecuted to the extent of being unable to legally practice medicine because of his discovery, he has instead become a best-selling author, the founder of the Strategic Autism Initiative, and the Director of the Autism Media Channel",2014-01-17 17:47:06 +look into the false allegations made against Dr. Wakefield and the pressure put onto the medical board via the vaccine manufacturers which led to his license being revoked.. further.. a new study published in december 2013 verifies Dr. Wakefields findings..,0,1vflqa,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpa02,1,1389973206.0,look into the false allegations made against Dr. Wakefield and the pressure put onto the medical board via the vaccine manufacturers which led to his license being revoked.. further.. a new study published in december 2013 verifies Dr. Wakefields findings..,2014-01-17 17:40:06 +"Except by the dozen or so studies on similar inflammatory bowel disease (the object of his study), that have. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.",2,1vfllz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpxvp,1,1389973061.0,"Except by the dozen or so studies on similar inflammatory bowel disease (the object of his study), that have. I don't even know why I'm bothering with you. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.",2014-01-17 17:37:41 +Vaccinations for diseases are fine. Flu shots every year is stupid. Our glorious human race and its immune system is going to become so fragile that we'll soon be sending people to the ER for a cold.,0,1vflkb,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpa7r,1,1389972998.0,Vaccinations for diseases are fine. Flu shots every year is stupid. Our glorious human race and its immune system is going to become so fragile that we'll soon be sending people to the ER for a cold.,2014-01-17 17:36:38 +"Aids was started by polio vaccine, in africa, this is a fact. They would create the polio vaccine in actual monkeys, and they cut some corners used a local monkey, and boom AIDS!",2,1vflir,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqkcc,1,1389972942.0,"Aids was started by polio vaccine, in africa, this is a fact. They would create the polio vaccine in actual monkeys, and they cut some corners used a local monkey, and boom AIDS!",2014-01-17 17:35:42 +I have seen the eyes of healthy children go to blank stares immediately after massive immunizations suddenly unable to track movement or even make eye contact with a parent again. As the owner of a preschool this cause/effect is described in detail every year at enrollment time by new parents,1,1vflgr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqmdl,1,1389972858.0,I have seen the eyes of healthy children go to blank stares immediately after massive immunizations suddenly unable to track movement or even make eye contact with a parent again. As the owner of a preschool this cause/effect is described in detail every year at enrollment time by new parents,2014-01-17 17:34:18 +This is propaganda by a pro vaccine organisation.,0,1vfldu,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpzbv,1,1389972750.0,This is propaganda by a pro vaccine organisation.,2014-01-17 17:32:30 +"Hey retards, this is just more evidence of the conspiracy to cover up the link between vaccines and autisim. But keep spreading propaganda like good little fascists.....",1,1vflbr,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqpw2,1,1389972684.0,"Hey retards, this is just more evidence of the conspiracy to cover up the link between vaccines and autisim. But keep spreading propaganda like good little fascists.....",2014-01-17 17:31:24 +"vaccinations do fuck up some kids, my son's chicken pox vaccination was later recalled for too much mercury, I can't say for sure if that's why he has a broad spectrum of food allergies, as there's probably more than one factor",1,1vflam,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqoys,0,1389972650.0,"vaccinations do fuck up some kids, my son's chicken pox vaccination was later recalled for too much mercury, I can't say for sure if that's why he has a broad spectrum of food allergies, as there's probably more than one factor",2014-01-17 17:30:50 +"I have 3 children who have NEVER been vaccinated and their 21, 17, 15, and doing perfectly fine. In-fact have never been sick a day in their life. On another note myself who has had every vaccination you can think of has had all types of problems with health.",1,1vfl7s,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerprku,1,1389972559.0,"I have 3 children who have NEVER been vaccinated and their 21, 17, 15, and doing perfectly fine. In-fact have never been sick a day in their life. On another note myself who has had every vaccination you can think of has had all types of problems with health.",2014-01-17 17:29:19 +It's simple logic that they are potentially developmentally damaging unless the ppm allowances established by the FDA are drastically lowered. I'm surprised with you all. Pandering Big Pharma's utter horsecrap and the illogical media response to a lousy research paper.,1,1vfl6d,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerqsh4,0,1389972513.0,It's simple logic that they are potentially developmentally damaging unless the ppm allowances established by the FDA are drastically lowered. I'm surprised with you all. Pandering Big Pharma's utter horsecrap and the illogical media response to a lousy research paper.,2014-01-17 17:28:33 +If the government is going to make it illegal for families to sue the manufacturer (Big Pharma) and force them to go to a special court just for vaccine cases (where they all lose) they have shown that nothing and nobody will get in the way of distributing it.,1,1vfl59,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpxyt,0,1389972472.0,If the government is going to make it illegal for families to sue the manufacturer (Big Pharma) and force them to go to a special court just for vaccine cases (where they all lose) they have shown that nothing and nobody will get in the way of distributing it.,2014-01-17 17:27:52 +Anybody care to explain the recent Vaccine-settlement specific court that awarded a family a large sum of money for their son who started showing signs of autism after his vaccination?,1,1vfkz6,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1vewtu/til_the_doctor_who_claimed_there_was_a_link/cerpvnk,0,1389972278.0,Anybody care to explain the recent Vaccine-settlement specific court that awarded a family a large sum of money for their son who started showing signs of autism after his vaccination?,2014-01-17 17:24:38 +Eugenics Today: How Vaccines Are Used to Sterilize the Masses,1,1va1il,http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/14/eugenics-today-how-vaccines-are-used-to-sterilize-the-masses/,1,1389828075.0,Eugenics Today: How Vaccines Are Used to Sterilize the Masses,2014-01-16 01:21:15 +GUMMY BEARS PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS AND VACCINES MADE OUT OF PEOPLE,1,1v8b9l,http://rawforbeauty.me/news/gummy-bears-pharmaceutical-drugs-and-vaccines-made-out-of-people/,1,1389770822.0,GUMMY BEARS PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS AND VACCINES MADE OUT OF PEOPLE,2014-01-15 09:27:02 +"You don't know what a vaccine is, you don't know that by law no vaccine causes immunity to anything, and you're dumb enough to line up to get injected, which says all that needs to be about your (lack of) intelligence",1,1v8121,http://np.reddit.com/r/taoism/comments/1ux8vo/what_are_some_of_your_greatest_epiphanies_and/cepl3zs,1,1389764617.0,"You don't know what a vaccine is, you don't know that by law no vaccine causes immunity to anything, and you're dumb enough to line up to get injected, which says all that needs to be about your (lack of) intelligence",2014-01-15 07:43:37 +"I've encountered so many parents in my social circle who have kids with various problems... ranging from auto immune disorders, to ASD.... everyone of them - it happened within a month of a vaccination",1,1v7p3u,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1qdt9m/rise_in_autism_rates_go_handinhand_with_increased/cdbuvk8?context=3,1,1389757488.0,"I've encountered so many parents in my social circle who have kids with various problems... ranging from auto immune disorders, to ASD.... everyone of them - it happened within a month of a vaccination",2014-01-15 05:44:48 +"I will continue to refuse getting vaccines and flu shots that contain mercury as a preservative. Wait...that is what Thimerosal is....there you go, why are they using one of the most toxic elements to humans as a preservative?",1,1v6uvz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Health/comments/1v68dt/new_study_vaccine_additive_thimerosal_associated/cep45t1,1,1389736616.0,"I will continue to refuse getting vaccines and flu shots that contain mercury as a preservative. Wait...that is what Thimerosal is....there you go, why are they using one of the most toxic elements to humans as a preservative?",2014-01-14 23:56:56 +Be The First To Like This,0,1v6ex5,http://www.imgur.com/H66wJmE.png,1,1389714403.0,Be The First To Like This,2014-01-14 17:46:43 +200 healthy children have died of influenza in the last 10 years. They're more likely to be shot by police as adults. This does not mean we should vaccinate the entire child population.,1,1v3pad,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1uy46j/reddit_what_is_your_opinions_on_vaccinations/cemt77p,1,1389644234.0,200 healthy children have died of influenza in the last 10 years. They're more likely to be shot by police as adults. This does not mean we should vaccinate the entire child population.,2014-01-13 22:17:14 +Inject That Shit,0,1v3oxn,http://imgur.com/oqHdYpp,2,1389643768.0,Inject That Shit,2014-01-13 22:09:28 +"You think I'm angry about you being ignorant, delusional, and injected with cancer cells? I'm laughing at how insane you are and how mad you are at me for not being insane like you, son.",1,1v3dcz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1qq4cm/til_the_cdc_lied_for_50_years_about_injecting/cdhepi6,1,1389626165.0,"You think I'm angry about you being ignorant, delusional, and injected with cancer cells? I'm laughing at how insane you are and how mad you are at me for not being insane like you, son.",2014-01-13 17:16:05 +"Since we did of course run a secret CIA vaccination program to track down where Osama bin Laden was living, it isn't too terrible a stretch that we might be running some depopulation vaccination program as well.",1,1v3d6z,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/j4l27/nigeria_government_vows_to_prosecute_parents_who/c293zzl,1,1389625987.0,"Since we did of course run a secret CIA vaccination program to track down where Osama bin Laden was living, it isn't too terrible a stretch that we might be running some depopulation vaccination program as well.",2014-01-13 17:13:07 +There's been a lot of literature out there detailing that vaccines are not good for you at all. I understand that there are a lot of lost and stupid sheeple out there - true (I've seen enough of them here on Reddit as it stands),1,1v3czc,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/12nk59/vaccine_bombshell_baby_monkeys_develop_autism/c6wn1hn,1,1389625758.0,There's been a lot of literature out there detailing that vaccines are not good for you at all. I understand that there are a lot of lost and stupid sheeple out there - true (I've seen enough of them here on Reddit as it stands),2014-01-13 17:09:18 +"Dr. Wakefield obviously struck a major nerve with his research, which was quickly torn apart by the establishment and maliciously paraded around as being fraudulent, even though his groundbreaking findings have repeatedly been validated and replicated by many other studies",1,1v3cup,http://www.naturalnews.com/042293_vaccines_autism_medical_studies.html,1,1389625609.0,"Dr. Wakefield obviously struck a major nerve with his research, which was quickly torn apart by the establishment and maliciously paraded around as being fraudulent, even though his groundbreaking findings have repeatedly been validated and replicated by many other studies",2014-01-13 17:06:49 +"Read the studies yourself, research extensively, and do the right thing. Opt out of vaccinations with a religious or philosophical exemption to defend your child. The public schools cannot legally turn you away if you do that, so learn your rights, and use them!",1,1v3cpz,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1jr0sk/the_amish_dont_get_autism_and_they_dont_get/cbhiziv,1,1389625463.0,"Read the studies yourself, research extensively, and do the right thing. Opt out of vaccinations with a religious or philosophical exemption to defend your child. The public schools cannot legally turn you away if you do that, so learn your rights, and use them!",2014-01-13 17:04:23 +...anyone that begins to even question the safety and efficacy of the numerous and ever-increasing vaccines is immediately vilified and lumped in the same category as Holocaust deniers and the like.,1,1v3cci,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cc3t2/three_hours_after_my_bill_gates_vaccine_post_went/c9f4vua,1,1389625049.0,...anyone that begins to even question the safety and efficacy of the numerous and ever-increasing vaccines is immediately vilified and lumped in the same category as Holocaust deniers and the like.,2014-01-13 16:57:29 +"I am a father of five unvaccinated children. Am I unfit to be a parent? Or, is it your opinion that I am unfit?",1,1v3c8o,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cc3t2/three_hours_after_my_bill_gates_vaccine_post_went/c9f5gwn,1,1389624948.0,"I am a father of five unvaccinated children. Am I unfit to be a parent? Or, is it your opinion that I am unfit?",2014-01-13 16:55:48 +Love Them. Protect Them. Never Inject Them.,1,1v3c3i,http://i.imgur.com/SkB0a6T.jpg,2,1389624787.0,Love Them. Protect Them. Never Inject Them.,2014-01-13 16:53:07 +Vaccines Are Just Asping For Trouble,3,1v3brt,http://i.imgur.com/bIPQpbv.jpg,1,1389624451.0,Vaccines Are Just Asping For Trouble,2014-01-13 16:47:31 +"Dr. Harper explained in her presentation that the cervical cancer risk in the U.S. is already extremely low, and that vaccinations are unlikely to have any effect upon the rate of cervical cancer in the United States",1,1v3blj,http://www.feelguide.com/2013/07/16/lead-developer-of-hpv-vaccines-comes-clean-warns-parents-young-girls-its-all-a-giant-deadly-scam/,1,1389624297.0,"Dr. Harper explained in her presentation that the cervical cancer risk in the U.S. is already extremely low, and that vaccinations are unlikely to have any effect upon the rate of cervical cancer in the United States",2014-01-13 16:44:57 +Polio arose in the US at a period where pesticide use skyrocketed and was being applied with reckless abandon (like that famous picture where the kids are running through the DDT being sprayed on the beach),1,1v3bh2,http://www.np.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1avqt7/what_if_the_spent_on_polio_vaccine_in_developing/c91jfvq,1,1389624175.0,Polio arose in the US at a period where pesticide use skyrocketed and was being applied with reckless abandon (like that famous picture where the kids are running through the DDT being sprayed on the beach),2014-01-13 16:42:55 +Comment,1,gx9r5gx,,0,1620422639.0,"I'm not saying there's a chip in it, but if I had to make the argument I would say redundancy. There can never be enough ways to track someone down and the further we get into the future, the harder it will be to truly be off the grid. But again, not saying there's a chip.",2021-05-08 00:23:59 +Comment,1,gwr1mve,,0,1620048807.0,It's immunology 101.,2021-05-03 16:33:27 +Comment,1,gwnxd31,,0,1619994014.0,"""your immune system is preparing itself to handle the actual covid.."" that's not scientific, what a useless information.",2021-05-03 01:20:14 +Comment,0,gwnwdt4,,0,1619993588.0,"Dude, you are such a stereotype. I know a lot of antivaxxers say untrue schizo shit, but.. There are real documented dangers. Even reddit is full of people saying how much they got fucked by a jab.",2021-05-03 01:13:08 +Comment,1,gvyj4mg,,0,1619490475.0," + +[https://nojabforme.info/?fbclid=IwAR0ThruMK6lsXn8tCopVvx9HgYy00LHTECc86BpPXTp2O947dLaqXD1GsP8](https://nojabforme.info/?fbclid=IwAR0ThruMK6lsXn8tCopVvx9HgYy00LHTECc86BpPXTp2O947dLaqXD1GsP8)",2021-04-27 05:27:55 +Comment,0,gvxm3im,,0,1619476397.0,"Most of this comment is wrong + +>If you’re so paranoid that you refuse to believe in science that’s been widely practiced for hundreds of years + +No vaccine in use today has been used for hundreds of years (though that is probably a good thing) + +Also I have already had my first dose + +>then you A.) get a medical exemption, or B.) home school. + +Medical exemptions are only if you have a documented contraindication, and homeschool is impossible for some people, so yes, requiring vaccines for school does in fact force people to take them, some states also require vaccines for homschool + +>But this idea that “They” are pushing to make the vaccine mandatory is laughable to anyone who doesn’t get all their information from Instagram wellness influencers or YouTube videos of guys in MAGA hats screaming in their trucks + +Wrong [https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/article/Editorial-Why-a-COVID-vaccine-for-children-16071946.php](https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/article/Editorial-Why-a-COVID-vaccine-for-children-16071946.php)",2021-04-27 01:33:17 +Comment,0,gvxjrhh,,0,1619475328.0,"No, you aren’t. If you’re so paranoid that you refuse to believe in science that’s been widely practiced for hundreds of years and prefer to instead think that every scientist, every doctor, every nurse, every researcher, every drug company, every drug manufacturer, and every politician in the US is part of some big conspiracy because you have some sEcReT iNfOrMaTiOn then you A.) get a medical exemption, or B.) home school. + +It’s not that complicated. You have the right to say what you do and don’t want to put in your body, and everyone else has the right to say they don’t want to accept the risk of fringe cases who are willing to put their entire community at risk of contracting a potentially deadly and preventable disease so that they don’t have to get a shot that the other 99.9% of people are fine with. It’s a matter of personal responsibility, and your rights end at the tip of everyone else’s nose. + +But this idea that “They” are pushing to make the vaccine mandatory is laughable to anyone who doesn’t get all their information from Instagram wellness influencers or YouTube videos of guys in MAGA hats screaming in their trucks. Even if it was added to the list of suggested vaccines / ones that are required for school, it can’t be done under an EUA and would have to go through the full process for FDA approval, at which point it wouldn’t be “experimental” and antivaxxers would have a polio-crippled leg to stand on.",2021-04-27 01:15:28 +Comment,0,gvx6i9h,,0,1619468172.0,You can still homeschool if you have a problem with mandatory vaccines at public schools. It all depends on just how far you want to take this conviction to be against vaccines.,2021-04-26 23:16:12 +Comment,0,gvwoomp,,0,1619452715.0,">Some states have requirements for school and certain limit jobs, but that’s very different than someone “forcing” you to put something in your body. + +You are forced to go to school though...",2021-04-26 18:58:35 +Comment,1,gvwomx5,,0,1619452669.0,">There have not been any deaths attributed to any of the vaccines + +False [https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447)",2021-04-26 18:57:49 +Comment,1,gvwefyi,,0,1619443944.0,You have strange ideas if you think an unanticipated drug reaction is someone's fault. Are you expecting to hire some antivax greedhead lawyer to sue someone if you break out in hives?,2021-04-26 16:32:24 +Comment,4,gvw65cp,,0,1619438014.0,"You’re not being forced into it though. Nobody is. Who’s this “they” I keep hearing so much about who’s pushing for making it mandatory? I keep hearing anti-vaxxers talk about it like it’s the most obvious thing in the world, but I can’t figure out where they’re getting this shit from. + +There isn’t a single mandatory vaccine in the USA at the federal level. Full stop. Some states have requirements for school and certain limit jobs, but that’s very different than someone “forcing” you to put something in your body.",2021-04-26 14:53:34 +Comment,1,gvuxs3d,,0,1619413713.0,My point exactly if I’m forced to inject something into myself and I have an allergic reaction who’s fault would that be?,2021-04-26 08:08:33 +Comment,2,gvuezkh,,0,1619404766.0,"There have not been any deaths attributed to any of the vaccines, and there isn’t a single chemical compound on the face of the earth that hasn’t had any sort of side effect when given to people. You can literally be allergic to water and you’re primarily made of the stuff.",2021-04-26 05:39:26 +Comment,3,gvueqnp,,0,1619404647.0,"God, this country sucks that this is even a question.",2021-04-26 05:37:27 +Comment,1,gvsb016,,0,1619353203.0,"Aha. Fauci won't let that happen here :) +But seems like it might not need too, we're hogging the vaccines",2021-04-25 15:20:03 +Comment,1,gvr77xy,,0,1619330832.0,Make sure she has all her piercings out,2021-04-25 09:07:12 +Comment,1,gvqvfs7,,0,1619324769.0,Yeah unfortunately where I am the government decided to spread the vaccines out 3-4 months to get more people with their first shot.,2021-04-25 07:26:09 +Comment,2,gvquv6a,,0,1619324474.0,"It doesn't do anything, so the only effect will be on her wallet and being near an anti-science wacko that's probably anti-vaccine and might have covid. + +If your mother had the first Pfizer 2 weeks ago then shouldn't she get the second one in a week's time ? Or are they spreading them out to get more people the first shot where you are ?",2021-04-25 07:21:14 +Comment,2,gvqmc0d,,0,1619320169.0,"Yeah that’s true. Good thing is she doesn’t see her too often. So that gives me enough time to continue talking her up to the vaccine. + +Plus I’m pretty sure my mom is committed to it. At least for now. It was a painless effort on her first shot. So thankfully she won’t think much about getting the 2nd.",2021-04-25 06:09:29 +Comment,2,gvq8gnr,,0,1619313355.0,I’d be more worried about the person she sees trying to talk her out of getting the shot. Anti-vaxxism is a *huge* problem in the alt-health world.,2021-04-25 04:15:55 +Comment,2,gvq7fp9,,0,1619312864.0,"Yeah the 2nd one. + +She always goes to see this person that puts magnets all over her body and finds convenient “viruses” to explain what is going on with her. + +I know it’s not real so I haven’t said much to her about it letting her go to it cause she’s convinced it makes her feel better. + +I’m just hoping that these magnets don’t do anything to the efficacy of the current vaccine she has, is all. I feel weird asking it but here we are lol.",2021-04-25 04:07:44 +Comment,2,gvq5dfj,,0,1619311931.0,"Are you talking transcranial magnet stimulation, or the alternative medicine “magnet therapy” that the wellness influencers like to talk up? TMS is a legitimate medical therapy, and that’s a question for a doctor. Magnetic therapy is essentially a placebo at best, and should have the same chances of contraindication with a vaccination as homeopathic pills that are 99.99999999% water.",2021-04-25 03:52:11 +Comment,1,gvazbzl,,0,1619025047.0,"Actually if you want to take your argument to its logical conclusion, you cant prove the world exists. Maybe all the antivaxxers are trapped in some kind of Matrix nightmare. Maybe you are the only sentient being in the universe and everything you experience is an illusion. You cant prove it isnt so!",2021-04-21 20:10:47 +Comment,1,gv5sqsy,,0,1618916373.0,"Chickenpox used to be almost universal among children before the chickenpox vaccine. So you probably had it when very young. 1 in 3 adults who had chickenpox can later get shingles, sometimes more than once. No relation to MMR.",2021-04-20 13:59:33 +Comment,1,gudpesi,,0,1618356602.0,"Luckily, my symptoms only lasted 1/2 day. I'm happy to feel a bit less anxiety around ppl.",2021-04-14 02:30:02 +Comment,1,gudmocb,,0,1618355395.0," I felt similar things after my 2nd Pfizer vaccine. It all passed within a couple of days. This only means the vaccine is doing its job, and your immune system is preparing itself to handle the actual Covid pathogens.",2021-04-14 02:09:55 +Comment,1,gu50r0o,,0,1618169502.0,Do you have any evidence that what he says is not barking mad?,2021-04-11 22:31:42 +Comment,1,gts0g97,,0,1617888762.0,"you imply as if what he is saying is not true? + +why do you seek to misconstrue truth as false, so you can gain the accolades and applauses of the sheep?",2021-04-08 16:32:42 +Comment,2,gtg52mq,,0,1617655581.0,"Thee can't doth the alternating caps thing. T wast ov'r ere t did start + +*** + + + +^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) + +Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`",2021-04-05 23:46:21 +Comment,1,gtg51sx,,0,1617655567.0,You can't do the alternating caps thing. It was over before it started,2021-04-05 23:46:07 +Comment,3,gtf7kh5,,0,1617627103.0,"Was there, can confirm, it gets funnier too",2021-04-05 15:51:43 +Comment,1,gt9bjtf,,0,1617496400.0,When I got my first covid shot I asked my nurse (I did warn her first I was totally joking) if my microchip would activate immediately after she injected it or if I had to do something afterwards. She laughed so hard. Glad I could make her laugh as she was having a busy and hectic day,2021-04-04 03:33:20 +Comment,1,gt1egbq,,0,1617318774.0,YOU'RE,2021-04-02 02:12:54 +Comment,3,gt0cxc2,,0,1617295129.0,Quality shitpost for this fine fine holiday.,2021-04-01 19:38:49 +Comment,3,gt0cwa2,,0,1617295106.0,"I think you missed the joke here. By the way, what is the date?",2021-04-01 19:38:26 +Comment,1,gt02b62,,0,1617285329.0, 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️,2021-04-01 16:55:29 +Comment,0,gt0093o,,0,1617283679.0,You're an idiot.,2021-04-01 16:27:59 +Comment,-2,gszopad,,0,1617275894.0,STOP LYING!,2021-04-01 14:18:14 +Comment,-2,gszok2r,,0,1617275809.0,WHU AN I BEING DOWNCOTED!!!!!,2021-04-01 14:16:49 +Comment,-5,gszoihv,,0,1617275782.0,YOUR PROBABLY PAID BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO SAY THIS!,2021-04-01 14:16:22 +Comment,-3,gszo9fo,,0,1617275634.0,Shut the hell up! You know vaccines are bad!,2021-04-01 14:13:54 +Comment,5,gszo33q,,0,1617275529.0,"This needs sources + +EDIT: look at OP's userpage, this is a downvotes troll",2021-04-01 14:12:09 +Comment,1,gsvanfl,,0,1617183803.0,"When someone mentions the microchips, I say the same thing. I go along with it and ask how do you know you only get one and not several?! Their reactions are priceless.",2021-03-31 12:43:23 +Comment,1,gsva0qy,,0,1617183460.0,"Did she have Covid at some point prior to her vaccination? That can create a stronger reaction. + +Everyone reacts differently. My grandma was fine while my husband’s grandma had aches and dizziness.",2021-03-31 12:37:40 +Comment,1,gsazbvq,,0,1616803334.0,"Best answer I can come up with: +Fever and body aches are symptoms from the innate immune system ramping up. + +But if your adaptive immune system (the kind of immunity you want from a vaccine) can take care of the antigens before they trigger an innate immune response, then those symptoms won't be as strong, if they're present at all. + +Your immune system isn't *stronger,* *per se,* just you had already started developing the adaptive response and your sister relied more on an innate response. Two weeks after your second shots, you both should have comparable immunity to COVID. :)",2021-03-27 02:02:14 +Comment,1,gs7wrsi,,0,1616735718.0,"*sigh* + +Am I really gonna go pull all my immunology notes from school? +Well, I might when I get home from work. ;P",2021-03-26 07:15:18 +Comment,1,gs50ye7,,0,1616678427.0,This is a serious subject and antivaxxer replies are often so off the wall it is hard to separate them from parody.,2021-03-25 15:20:27 +Comment,2,gs4m5rj,,0,1616669047.0,"I don't think scientists know the answer to that. + +But I'd like to know. I got pretty tired, it would be nice to know it's because I'm super-protected :)",2021-03-25 12:44:07 +Comment,1,gs48w9e,,0,1616662260.0,You honestly thought my reply was serious?,2021-03-25 10:51:00 +Comment,1,gs3v2ut,,0,1616655566.0,"> Fever and chills means the immune system is making the antibodies for the COVID spike protein, so that’s not an issue at all. + +Oh yeah? So if people don't have the chills and a fever **it must mean** their immune system is NOT making the supposed antibodies. Therefore, the people who died, or felt nothing means that the injection didn't work properly. + +> I got the second dose on Friday, was sick all of Saturday, and completely fine on Sunday. Get your head out of your ass. + +Sounds very much like the girl who just died from the injection: + +[Ms. Penrod responded that she had her fingers crossed that March 10 would be the last day of her symptoms and it “goes away.” The next day she said she was feeling better “for the most part.” That was the last comment she made on Facebook. Ms. Penrod died on Wednesday, March 17, becoming the youngest victim this blog has covered for all of the experimental shots.](https://thecovidblog.com/2021/03/22/desiree-penrod-25-year-old-connecticut-educator-dead-one-week-after-johnson-johnson-viral-vector-shot/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=9edd43552370ae2990a4f3fab5013ee6851076f0-1616626641-0-ASifwr7C4GJTz0MkRFBIeRmRnsS58PVhw8eRRx9lK22ofAXbyR8wILt5cVGSYrNHJGENvOkGOSRMbIPbMVOfVbiLVoP9k_xOs31AVfhwD45uxkv1VzzsMonfhZWAjEBzWzjI-7_9aQnyjZCYTQ_TN-VXtUxaTnG9tjkNwkR-q2QTkB7NsW4ykAwqukYBKS87FHUQ0dBVS5Va0GUWi8vr-ACqw17dgD7nmljI-tEpAZL9uDGneAUg6z_gcjQ6Sggxqic1z81lVINghEqKUggHKKT5qhbhi0-KAVwcAUH1IRU35V6zlfm_Y5jMWSn0zesekAR6ocTi5OuorCLPb2ypm4eU3m2tCltQR-h1kIdNfvTLOe7I4BDNYER2BR0Ol_nws01W5r-RfSZChVLadIplXkr7k_nLn9wH2XtzxsmqTQRZ0VKxRj1SWF46cxu27cfeAUNddMAdUIgqyfzLIvmFu28) + +Peace Out ;)",2021-03-25 08:59:26 +Comment,1,gs3tsum,,0,1616654965.0,"Fever and chills means the immune system is making the antibodies for the COVID spike protein, so that’s not an issue at all. I got the second dose on Friday, was sick all of Saturday, and completely fine on Sunday. Get your head out of your ass.",2021-03-25 08:49:25 +Comment,2,gs3t4jt,,0,1616654650.0,"You do know that every cell in our body has RNA, right? And it’s not exactly unknown",2021-03-25 08:44:10 +Comment,1,gs3iy1k,,0,1616649973.0,The way to prevent viral mutation optimally would be to immunize everyone against it. Viruses can only mutate when replicating in hosts. With no hosts available cant mutate.,2021-03-25 07:26:13 +Comment,1,gs3innr,,0,1616649844.0,"Please cite a serious reference that ""everyone has swole polio in their brains""? Whatever ""swole polio"" may be. Everyone else sees that thanks to vaccines the rate of death or paralysis from polio has plummeted.",2021-03-25 07:24:04 +Comment,1,gs3iadk,,0,1616649676.0,I think you will find most people these days who invent something in engineering or science have substantial education behind them. Technology is a lot more complicated than in the days of Thomas Edison or Henry Ford,2021-03-25 07:21:16 +Comment,1,gs3hsd4,,0,1616649446.0,"Also of course others OTF might even take you seriously. People have a responsibility to correct misinformation, particularly when that misinformation can kill.",2021-03-25 07:17:26 +Comment,4,gs3c1iv,,0,1616646959.0,You keep using words but its clear you don't know what they mean.,2021-03-25 06:35:59 +Comment,2,gs39vbp,,0,1616646036.0,Understandable. But Imma tell a you straight away. Viruses don't need that in order to mutate. Especially the covid kind. There's a reason why there is a new normal flu one every year.,2021-03-25 06:20:36 +Comment,1,gs37erw,,0,1616645011.0,Because I would hope you'd be open minded and would actually change your mind when facts are presented to you.,2021-03-25 06:03:31 +Comment,1,gs379np,,0,1616644951.0,"One last question! If you think it’s bullshit, why are you arguing with me? Why are you trying to prove me wrong? +If u think i’m an idiot why would you shrink to my level? As I can see you have a lot of time.",2021-03-25 06:02:31 +Comment,1,gs365w2,,0,1616644499.0,"""Who is stupid to die for!""? You, I suppose, being pro-disease",2021-03-25 05:54:59 +Comment,1,gs352ko,,0,1616644046.0,Aki hülye haljon bele!,2021-03-25 05:47:26 +Comment,1,gs33ehk,,0,1616643346.0,Your own source proved you wrong. Sit down.,2021-03-25 05:35:46 +Comment,1,gs337ck,,0,1616643265.0,"But when the thing that they are trying to claim as the ""truth"" is a misconception cleared up by the people who actually have studied for decades in actual scientific ways instead of contrarian bullshit quack health sites, it's not OK, it's dangerous in fact. I wouldn't advise someone on what to do about cancer, I'd tell them to go to a damn oncologist!",2021-03-25 05:34:25 +Comment,0,gs322kn,,0,1616642803.0,Welcome to the apocalypse!,2021-03-25 05:26:43 +Comment,0,gs2zvg0,,0,1616641902.0,"Why can’t someone tell the thruth and convince someone without a degree? +I don’t now why does that count! Most inventors didn’t go to university but they changed the world !",2021-03-25 05:11:42 +Comment,1,gs2y2h3,,0,1616641151.0,He litterally comes out in support of vaccines here. And even if he didn't one person's opinion doesn't nullify 99.99% of scientists and basic immunology.,2021-03-25 04:59:11 +Comment,0,gs2xeur,,0,1616640883.0,I don’t have one but maybe he will convince you: https://youtu.be/YmWFsk1fa9s,2021-03-25 04:54:43 +Comment,0,gs2ua1r,,0,1616639574.0,"This happened with polio. It totally got stronger after...uh.. the vaccine eradicated it. Now everyone has swole polio (swolio, if you will) in their brains. Thanks a lot, science.",2021-03-25 04:32:54 +Comment,0,gs2u1uq,,0,1616639480.0,"Don’t take the animation seriously! I just wanted to illusrtrate that if we choose the vaccine with not the weakened virus (to prevent the immune system to produce the anti-virus throughout the serious sickness, but produce it before the person gets sick.) it can cause problems! Because if someone didn’t now the vaccine: moderna contains the RNA of Covid 19 wich only prepares the body to attack the virus with the informations of the RNA wich only contains tha half part of the DNA. It won’t know everything about it. And that’s when the virus will mutate. It changes it’s properties which have been uncovered to the body. I DON’T WANT TO REBEL AGAINST THE VACCINES! I’M JUST AFRAID OF THAT IT MAY GET WORSE THAN IT IS NOW IF WE CHOOSE THE WRONG POSSIBILITY!",2021-03-25 04:31:20 +Comment,2,gs2f37b,,0,1616633158.0,Do you have any idea of how vaccines work?,2021-03-25 02:45:58 +Comment,1,gs28k4r,,0,1616630436.0,Where is your immunology PHD?,2021-03-25 02:00:36 +Comment,1,gs1j4wf,,0,1616618919.0,"> they contain a weakened form of the virus + +False. + +> Sure, in theory they could tell us that that was what was in them and put something else in + +Exactly. There is no telling what is in that bottle. They all could be the same exact thing from all companies, just withdifferent labels. Could be anything under the sun. + +> the results we see from taking vaccines are exactly what you would expect from the stated ingredients + +Death, vision issues, increased heart rate, more death, chills, fevers, prolonged headaches, nightmares, hives, death, the wobbles, sunken face, death, etc. Yeah.",2021-03-24 22:48:39 +Comment,1,gs18fyh,,0,1616611652.0,"Well, me, for one. It's easily researchable. Simple answer: they contain a weakened form of the virus along with a handful of other ingredients like antibiotics and preservatives (Gelatin & MSG - both commonly used in foods). +Sure, in theory they could tell us that that was what was in them and put something else in but in practice the results we see from taking vaccines are exactly what you would expect from the stated ingredients",2021-03-24 20:47:32 +Comment,1,gs1255r,,0,1616605626.0,you can look up all these statements - they are indeed facts!,2021-03-24 19:07:06 +Comment,1,grx2ueq,,0,1616529071.0,Maybe with intradermal implantation so it stays put,2021-03-23 21:51:11 +Comment,1,grx2pze,,0,1616528988.0,SARS-1 and MERS dont exist any more so why should anyone produce a vaccine against them? People have been working on AIDS for decades but retroviruses are particularly difficult to vaccinate against. We could create an effective flu vaccine if we were sure which of the many variants would appear in a given year. At the moment current covid vaccines have moderate to great effectiveness against current strains but it is possible vaccines may need to be tweaked a bit if more resistant variants emerge. The mRNA technology fortunately allows more rapid development and modification of vaccines.,2021-03-23 21:49:48 +Comment,1,grvgfr9,,0,1616487265.0,"Who **really** knows what is in that bottle of fluid that is being injected? You can't smell it or taste it. Could be sugar water or could be particles of an unknown material. This is why wild speculations are abound. We don't know what is being injected. + +That is why no one can disprove the conspiracies of microchips to snake oil in those bottles. ;)",2021-03-23 10:14:25 +Comment,1,gruvmun,,0,1616476981.0,Good and accurate summary of debating points but would be far more useful if you added references to your statements,2021-03-23 07:23:01 +Comment,1,gr8jdbd,,0,1616018017.0,"People thought the 95% efficacy was for the virus. This is a myth. Listen to Fauci on March 10, 2021.",2021-03-17 23:53:37 +Comment,1,gr7yw2o,,0,1616003079.0,Also....the vax comes in a multi-dose vial....how ya gonna put chips in it?,2021-03-17 19:44:39 +Comment,1,gphuli4,,0,1614771236.0,"As of today we have 0 vaccines for SARS AIDS MERS combined + +And the flu vaccine which was developed 70 years ago, changes every year, because the flu virus changes every year, and showed efficacy of 40.25% on average for the past 16 years + +And what? 90+ % efficacy from something made in 2 days and tested over 9 months? + +And what about the variants? + +South Africa / Switzerland already rejected AZ Oxford vaccine because they saw it did not show efficacy against the South African variant",2021-03-03 13:33:56 +Comment,1,gorgm3j,,0,1614321114.0,This is a hard no for me and I know vaccines work. We've had pandemics in the past and we've overcame them without having to give public knowledge of who's been vaccinated and who hasn't. This is a violation of HIPAA and shouldn't be taken lightly if countries try to impose this rule.,2021-02-26 08:31:54 +Comment,1,go42h1h,,0,1613851597.0,Olé!,2021-02-20 22:06:37 +Comment,3,go09um4,,0,1613772773.0,"Link without the amp: +https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact",2021-02-20 00:12:53 +Comment,1,gmkvh00,,0,1612820241.0,"This is actually a spam bot that reposts old posts to get you to go to a site that gives you spyware. This is just a robot, and I found this post when I was looking through its account.",2021-02-08 23:37:21 +Comment,1,gmbz6vo,,0,1612697878.0,My direction is always straight to the gutter. Well played sir.,2021-02-07 13:37:58 +Comment,2,gmbxnea,,0,1612697297.0,"Well I got the shingles. +I got nothing on my dingle +I am clear to mingle +Tho I am sadly not single + + +This seemed like the direction you were going",2021-02-07 13:28:17 +Comment,1,gmbedc1,,0,1612690935.0,You got the herpes shingles from the herpes chicken pox. Herpes sucks.,2021-02-07 11:42:15 +Comment,1,gmb7qrf,,0,1612689052.0,"I recently told someone, i would be happy if Dolly Parton added a chip to her Moderna vaccine. I didn’t get the Moderna vaccine, but if She wants to track me she is welcome.",2021-02-07 11:10:52 +Comment,5,gmaor6e,,0,1612683095.0,"You cannot catch shingles from a vaccine you got, as none of those vaccines you list contain the virus that caused shingles, whether the blatant virus in your body was able to flare up due to immune system effects of the vaccine is a question for r/Immunology",2021-02-07 09:31:35 +Comment,8,gma01gs,,0,1612675575.0,"At your age, you probably did have chicken pox as a kid. The MMR vaccine won’t cause it, though. The virus just resurfaced and you got shingles",2021-02-07 07:26:15 +Comment,1,glha29j,,0,1612130237.0,"They had a web site that asked about 10 basic questions and it told you if you qualified for the trial. If you qualified then they said they would call you for your first appointment which lasts 3 or 4 hours. There is a trial search site online. + +They filled up the one I’m in for J&J, but opened a second one for a 2 shot version - my wife is getting her first shot in that trial tomorrow. + +You also get paid, I’ve gotten $260 so far, $150 for first visit.",2021-01-31 23:57:17 +Comment,1,glg70ip,,0,1612097687.0,That is way too logical!,2021-01-31 14:54:47 +Comment,1,glg51y3,,0,1612096511.0,How did you go about being in the trials?,2021-01-31 14:35:11 +Comment,1,gkw4nmd,,0,1611737327.0,"Summary of information from the AMA (source below): The pandemic slows down as we reach herd immunity through a combination of infection and vaccination. Experts estimate that, based on how contagious COVID-19 is, about 70% of the population would need to be immune for herd immunity to be effective. Keep in mind as well that none of the vaccines are 100% effective. But overall probably about 230 million people would need to be immune through a combination of infection and vaccination. + +https://youtu.be/A3fuhAmpLOc",2021-01-27 10:48:47 +Comment,1,gkmnn8b,,0,1611548326.0,are you having a stroke?,2021-01-25 06:18:46 +Comment,1,gkmbqdj,,0,1611542577.0,Dude this is a Wendy's,2021-01-25 04:42:57 +Comment,1,gkm1dw2,,0,1611539578.0,What's up with the title?,2021-01-25 03:52:58 +Comment,0,gklk4sq,,0,1611535117.0,Tell them you don't want their FREE candy or gift cards to take the vaccine,2021-01-25 02:38:37 +Comment,1,gkljptk,,0,1611535041.0,Do your research and not on Google. Yes it is possible,2021-01-25 02:37:21 +Comment,2,gjp3gki,,0,1610980322.0,I think it’s absolutely fine to censor Anti-vaccine information on social media. Less people that see it the less that will be radicalized.,2021-01-18 16:32:02 +Comment,3,gjoys0y,,0,1610976947.0,De-platforming or not propagating dangerously false information is not censorship.,2021-01-18 15:35:47 +Comment,3,gjo901c,,0,1610961943.0,Misinformation propagates more misinformation. They will gobble up any info that agrees with them (makes them a kind of sheep too). Don't give them more ammunition.,2021-01-18 11:25:43 +Comment,4,gjnxotv,,0,1610956037.0,Yes. That's because people are dumb and there are always going to be those two that believe everything. Also it's not a harmless conspiracy like flat earth. It's extremely dangerous as it can lead to the death of several individuals.,2021-01-18 09:47:17 +Comment,4,gjnqv2r,,0,1610952662.0,"it's alright. why bother if it's bullshit? antivaxxers brought back measles to the USA, even if the propaganda is bullshit. + +and judging by your wording, you're antivaxx yourself. why are you here if you trust your 'information' so much?",2021-01-18 08:51:02 +Comment,5,gjn9k1y,,0,1610944958.0,"This is part of a larger conversation re censorship. In this case, I think it appropriate to censor people who spread misinformation in order to profit from the misinformation (buy my book, buy my vitamins, pay to attend my seminar or join my club).",2021-01-18 06:42:38 +Comment,2,gj9hmzq,,0,1610683084.0,That would be odd. I write vaccine recommendations for a job.,2021-01-15 05:58:04 +Comment,-1,gj9h28s,,0,1610682819.0,what are you talking about? baseless accusation.,2021-01-15 05:53:39 +Comment,-1,gj9h1g6,,0,1610682809.0,it really isn't. are you antivax?,2021-01-15 05:53:29 +Comment,0,gj8rrdi,,0,1610671518.0,"I'm pro vaccine, what are you talking about? Are you a troll too?",2021-01-15 02:45:18 +Comment,2,gj8bswv,,0,1610664061.0,"Quoting Ben Goldacre...I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that. + +Oh, and _citations needed_.",2021-01-15 00:41:01 +Comment,4,gj84kh1,,0,1610659916.0,Hello anti-vax troll!,2021-01-14 23:31:56 +Comment,3,gj7hc3e,,0,1610638655.0,I'm not quite sure I understand your point. You have absolutely no citations to the things that you are putting out there. Are you just ranting or something?,2021-01-14 17:37:35 +Comment,-1,gj7ebpo,,0,1610635950.0,"Oh good, you're back. Missed your very subtle antivaxx comments.",2021-01-14 16:52:30 +Comment,1,gj7cc3p,,0,1610634308.0,Hyper Dunning–Kruger,2021-01-14 16:25:08 +Comment,3,gj6dt2g,,0,1610614197.0,"See my comment here [https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiVaxxers/comments/kwt3x4/scientifically\_proven\_verified\_and\_established/gj6cdn1?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiVaxxers/comments/kwt3x4/scientifically_proven_verified_and_established/gj6cdn1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) + +I point out the total lack of sources, and several demonstrably false and implausibly claims, I think OP is an antivaxer tryign to make pro vaxxers look dumb",2021-01-14 10:49:57 +Comment,2,gj6bv8i,,0,1610613210.0,"they are so dumb, arent they....",2021-01-14 10:33:30 +Comment,4,gj6app3,,0,1610612630.0,You can never win a debate with an antivaxxer. Knowing you have good information just makes it worse when they throw shit at you and declare victory.,2021-01-14 10:23:50 +Comment,1,gj55vk8,,0,1610593964.0,"This article really seems to just be asking what ifs and then he comes to the conclusion that if you can be vaccinated, you should be. I don’t know why the covid vaccine would contain penicillin, so unless you do have atopy, there wouldn’t be any reason to be worried.",2021-01-14 05:12:44 +Comment,0,gj3b6zh,,0,1610551515.0,"There are pros and cons to everything in this world my friend, even something like aspirine as cons. The cons in the article refer to my atopy and subsequent allergic reaction to it. More cons, it's difficult to store, and hard to prepare. But as I state, it's worth while the risk. Nothing weird at all, I guess you didn’t even check my CDC link, next time please read don't skim. And please be gentle! Stay safe my friend, keep others safe, and get vaccinated. The pros are vastly superior to the cons.",2021-01-13 17:25:15 +Comment,1,gj3acxo,,0,1610550770.0,Never planned no to :D,2021-01-13 17:12:50 +Comment,1,gj3aazg,,0,1610550722.0,"It shouldn't be a problem unless like me you are mildly suffering from atopy. Stay safe and get vaccinated, as it's worth the risk.",2021-01-13 17:12:02 +Comment,2,gj3aaac,,0,1610550704.0,I’m not questioning the allergy. There’s no pros or cons to the vaccine listed as stated in the outset that there would be. That’s all.,2021-01-13 17:11:44 +Comment,1,gj3a0r5,,0,1610550472.0,In what way is it weird may I ask? Have you heard about atopy?,2021-01-13 17:07:52 +Comment,1,gj37w81,,0,1610548645.0,I am also allergic to penicillin. I wouldn’t know how the Covid vaccine would have anything to do with that. Did not cross my mind at all.,2021-01-13 16:37:25 +Comment,1,gj2qfrg,,0,1610537079.0,This article is weird,2021-01-13 13:24:39 +Comment,4,gj21cxd,,0,1610523666.0,"tldr; ""I will feel confident and grateful when finally it will be my turn to be inoculated. I will do it not only for myself but also for my loved ones and for every other person out there.""",2021-01-13 09:41:06 +Comment,1,gitzmwj,,0,1610362539.0,the websites not up yet. but i can put it up tonight and maybe you can help me design better survey questions. we could drive traffic to the site.,2021-01-11 12:55:39 +Comment,1,gitzjd5,,0,1610362489.0,i just created a website w anonymous survey. i didn’t publish it yet bc i don’t have clinician support. i’m a healthcare data analyst. i want to track the side effects of the vaccines. please contact me if you can. the website will be www.mycovidvaccinestory.com.,2021-01-11 12:54:49 +Comment,1,gigp873,,0,1610080011.0,"One of many reposter spam bots, report and downvote 20 of their posts.",2021-01-08 06:26:51 +Comment,5,giff67v,,0,1610059080.0,Quit stealing images. Downvote this poster.,2021-01-08 00:38:00 +Comment,3,gid6ofh,,0,1610007305.0,This is astonishingly selfish. Leave the Pfizer vaccine to others if he is already vaccinated. Consider him extremely lucky for getting the Chinese one in the first place.,2021-01-07 10:15:05 +Comment,0,gibpifm,,0,1609984015.0,Thank you very much.,2021-01-07 03:46:55 +Comment,5,gib5ime,,0,1609974825.0,"Please don't. If you get your father vaccinated twice, that is denying someone else's father to get vaccinated at all. I understand the concern. But don't be selfish. + +Maybe get his antibody levels tested for reassurance and definitely wait until everyone else has had a chance to get the vaccine before doubling up. There are many of us that are still on strict lock down and barely getting through each day as we pray that our high-risk loved ones can get the shot before catching the disease that would probably kill them.",2021-01-07 01:13:45 +Comment,3,giavrdu,,0,1609969471.0,"You go to any laboratory and ask for a immunological profile for Sars cov2. You ask to have both IgM and IgG for Sars cov 2 done. + +These tests are usually paid by the patient, not by hospitals so expect to be paying. Shouldn't be too expensive though. + +IgM shows an acute infection, but in Sars Cov 2, they fade away slower. But the IgG shows the protective antibody number. Depending on the laboratory's ranges, you'll see if you have a high enough number to be protected. + +If the patient is protected, they don't need a new vaccine too soon.",2021-01-06 23:44:31 +Comment,0,giat7ly,,0,1609967826.0,How do I check that? Please advise.,2021-01-06 23:17:06 +Comment,7,giarx05,,0,1609966919.0,"I'd recommend to first see what IgG sars cov 2 antibody count they have, rather than just havr another vaccine. Why waste a vaccine if the antibody titre is protective?",2021-01-06 23:01:59 +Comment,9,giamwi5,,0,1609962920.0,Should not take Pfizer. No one should be vaccinated twice until all have been vaccinated.,2021-01-06 21:55:20 +Comment,3,ghyky3d,,0,1609716814.0,"I loved this clip for one big reason, the cap is still on the needle...",2021-01-04 01:33:34 +Comment,2,ghqww30,,0,1609556815.0,Just have many chips in there so you're statistically guaranteed to get one one each draw.,2021-01-02 05:06:55 +Comment,1,ghq4lc5,,0,1609545993.0,"Also, how would you draw up the micro chip from a multi use vial?",2021-01-02 02:06:33 +Comment,1,gh9ntef,,0,1609167000.0,"The point is that a 5G implant doesn’t exist, isn’t trivial and can’t be injected with a vaccine needle",2020-12-28 16:50:00 +Comment,1,ggr9qau,,0,1608718875.0,You are essentially carrying a location tracking device in your pocket for most parts of your day. Why still worry about trivial things like 5G implants,2020-12-23 12:21:15 +Comment,3,ggpij8f,,0,1608686286.0,Even the smallest computers will cause a blood clot. There are much easier ways to track you,2020-12-23 03:18:06 +Comment,3,ggp3fr0,,0,1608678340.0,Biologically possible? Sure. Technically possible? No.,2020-12-23 01:05:40 +Comment,1,ggozw7i,,0,1608676255.0,Minions dosent exist why should your children,2020-12-23 00:30:55 +Comment,6,ggoa1ul,,0,1608652980.0,"If your needle was the width of a Boba straw perhaps. + +And why 5G? Why wouldn't you use 4G or 3G, hell - even 2G is still used by trackers you buy on Chinese websites. + +Antennas need certain lengths to transmit particular frequencies, and need power. + +No, you're not fitting a power source, or a means of getting power from the body or radio waves, into something that a needle can inject. Or a transmitter. + +Although, while you're getting your vaccine, a hacker in the next room could hack your phone so it transmitted your location to whoever you want :) + +Seriously, if anyone is worried about body-trackers and still carries a phone, they are truly insane. I mean, they're probably not tracking you much even with your phone for anything other than delivering you ads, but still.",2020-12-22 18:03:00 +Comment,3,gg82wp6,,0,1608298643.0,"A for trolling. + +I hope there are many contenders vying for an A+.",2020-12-18 15:37:23 +Comment,5,gg7y3h0,,0,1608295461.0,"Damn, she had me going.",2020-12-18 14:44:21 +Comment,1,gfxlpc3,,0,1608077925.0,"There is nothing wrong with adhd, you can live a normal life, just it is easier to get bored. Unlike shit like autism where you will need a lot of extra help and it is clear you are disabled, adhd functions just like the average person",2020-12-16 02:18:45 +Comment,1,gfttcbw,,0,1607994435.0," + +A study published in 1998 - since discredited and withdrawn - associated the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine with autism. But the concern it sparked among parents lives on. + +“People didn't like that they were about to be injected with a biological product they didn't understand, and that was the birth of anti-vaccine movements,” Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told ABC. + +Experts say, there’s work to be done to ensure that happens. As distribution of the first 2.9 million doses kicks into gear, public health experts prepare to parse fact from fiction. + +“There's a lot of work that has to be done to ensure that the vaccines that come forward that we trust in them, that we trusted the science was done right,” Besser said after months of whiplashed messaging -- and years of systemic inequality. “A casualty of that approach is trust.” + +“I think it's okay to be scared,” ABC Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Jen Ashton said. “It's okay to acknowledge that - it means you've been paying attention. But in medicine and science, we have to go on facts, not fear.”",2020-12-15 03:07:15 +Comment,1,gf40uh9,,0,1607500806.0,These anti-vaxxers need to atop threatening me with a good time,2020-12-09 10:00:06 +Comment,2,gf3kvvz,,0,1607493428.0,Who here loves Ikea hot dogs? 🙌,2020-12-09 07:57:08 +Comment,1,gf01bpj,,0,1607414895.0,Nanotechnology just refers to the size of the media being used. Tiny Lipid nanoparticle droplets to carry the vaccine as fat soluble and not water soluble. People out here thinking Stark Industries is real.,2020-12-08 10:08:15 +Comment,2,gee4piz,,0,1606959529.0,"Yeah, I generally would ignore most of that nonsense online. While obv super dangerous any doc or nurse will set a parent straight and kids can not attend school in all 50 states w/o vaccinations generally. In regards to Covid-19, the vast majority are hopeful but optimisticly awaiting FDA and peir reviews of Pfizer and Moderna. And yes, all of those methods utilize rna which is groundbreaking and that's gonna freak some people out. I personally think it's cool and have been reading up on rna application in biotech for 20 yrs.",2020-12-03 03:38:49 +Comment,1,gee27ah,,0,1606958528.0,"I know people that are suing this study to try convince people not to vaccinate for their born babies or get the COVID vacation. I’ve been trolled on other social media platforms for promoting vaccines, especially the COVID vaccine as it the first of its kind. It’s made differently from the rest.",2020-12-03 03:22:08 +Comment,3,gedpryy,,0,1606953519.0,"The disclaimer at the end of the ""for educational purposes only"" website says it all for me. That is 100% propaganda. I mean there is a link to a legit study sure, but that being said they are cherry picking results that say basically the data is X when X = exactly what VaX also equals. What's the issue?",2020-12-03 01:58:39 +Comment,1,gecp2a5,,0,1606928311.0,That’s what I said. However there are folk lapping this up as gospel truth about vaccines. It’s scary to think that they are using this as a reason to put their kids at risk of iron lung among others,2020-12-02 18:58:31 +Comment,11,gebmdp0,,0,1606901351.0,"It says: + +***Remarkably, zero of the 561 unvaccinated patients in the study had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) compared to 0.063% of the (partially and fully) vaccinated*** + +and there are 2763 ""variably vaccinated, and 561 unvaccinated."" + +So, 0.063% of 2763 is 1.74. + +I don't know how they got 0.74 of a person, so there's some problem with the numbers, but anyway, if we assume the same ratio of the 561 group, then we'd expect 0.35 people in the unvaccinated group to have ADHD. Which rounds to zero. Which is what we've got. + +So, these are obviously stupidly small sample sizes for this analysis, and so the authors are disingenuous morons.",2020-12-02 11:29:11 +Comment,4,geb9h24,,0,1606894221.0,I personally don’t believe this however I know a couple that do. I need help in getting fact to debunk this article,2020-12-02 09:30:21 +Comment,-3,g4sodx9,,0,1599829822.0,lol.,2020-09-11 16:10:22 +Comment,2,g2cnkwd,,0,1598062835.0,"What nanoparticles? Your phone does a good enough job at tracking you with literally all social media, weather, and other apps having access to your location. What do you think a particle less than 100 nm in diameter is gonna do? It's a dead virus, not a fucking phone.",2020-08-22 05:20:35 +Comment,2,g0rij90,,0,1596894326.0,What the actual flying fuck did I just read.,2020-08-08 16:45:26 +Comment,1,g073xsj,,0,1596482511.0,So she thinks that the govt would lie about the death of about a million people for shits and giggles,2020-08-03 22:21:51 +Comment,1,g073o4k,,0,1596482265.0,What the hell are you scared were gonna commence order 66 or something,2020-08-03 22:17:45 +Comment,1,fx1924q,,0,1594011897.0,Thank you I really appreciate you taking the time to say that,2020-07-06 08:04:57 +Comment,1,fx0nt4p,,0,1594000542.0,"Hello. I am a nursing student displaced from clinical rotation due to Covid-19. I found your post regarding your concern relating to your child’s safety with updated vaccines. As you may know, vaccination is essential because it helps provide immunity before an individual is exposed to certain life-threatening diseases such as chickenpox or measles. There is a possibility that your child might get measles for an example, but very unlikely. According to the Mayo Clinic, more than 93% of people who get the first dose of MMR develop immunity to measles. After the second dose, about 97% of people are protected. The 2020 Recommended immunizations for children from birth through 6-years old from CDC are linked [here](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf). According to the CDC, “everyone six months and older should get the influenza (flu) vaccine every season. + +**Disclaimer:** + +I am not a medical doctor. Please follow the advice of your Primary Care Physician. I can answer questions, but my information does not take the place of what your primary physician states. + +**References:** + +CDC, (2020, April 28). Influenza (Flu).[https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm) + +CDC. (2020). 2020 Recommended immunizations for children from birth through 6-years old [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf) + +Mayo Clinic. (2018, July 11). Measles vaccine: Can I get the measles if I’ve already been vaccinated?[https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/expert-answers/gettingmeasles-after-vaccination/faq-20125397](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/expert-answers/gettingmeasles-after-vaccination/faq-20125397)",2020-07-06 04:55:42 +Comment,1,fw41cv8,,0,1593240460.0,Tell that to the dumbasses over on r/ForcedVaccine,2020-06-27 09:47:40 +Comment,3,fvstv70,,0,1592986581.0,"Is that monetized for the cranks? + +If so, please don't link directly without more explanation. i don't want them getting any of my sweet youtube premium cash.",2020-06-24 11:16:21 +Comment,2,frvj2ym,,0,1590533551.0,"I guess so, fair point",2020-05-27 01:52:31 +Comment,2,frv8ir6,,0,1590527569.0,"It's not like vaccines weaken your immune system. They do the exact opposite. They strengthen it. They make you build immunity with much less risk of dying. And what you said is true, viruses don't want to kill us. But they will anyway. So why not take a vaccine and prevent that? You'll still get your natural immunity.",2020-05-27 00:12:49 +Comment,1,frtnjk3,,0,1590482826.0,"I assumed it did, can you elaborate?",2020-05-26 11:47:06 +Comment,2,frtnbyj,,0,1590482702.0,"Perhaps, but what is the big deal if people vote at home- I may be uninformed on this topic, but how does voting at home change opinions of potential leaders?",2020-05-26 11:45:02 +Comment,2,frtj69n,,0,1590480234.0,"They claimed that vaccines caused them numerous health issues- When I asked how and why, this was their response. @BewareTheNeedle. Instagram needs to remove this and other similar accounts.",2020-05-26 11:03:54 +Comment,3,fro2tz7,,0,1590360935.0,You’re safe because of herd immunity so you will probably be fine,2020-05-25 01:55:35 +Comment,1,fro2o6s,,0,1590360853.0,um... well I havent had one since I was born and I braved through the flu with my natural anti bodies but I guess,2020-05-25 01:54:13 +Comment,2,fro1so0,,0,1590360394.0,Do u at least do the important ones?,2020-05-25 01:46:34 +Comment,1,fro1mld,,0,1590360304.0,"I know this is reddit amd I probably shouldnt say this im no karen im a 13 yr old kid btw- I dont use vaccines because I like to keep my body natural and to train my self to survive diseases. I dont care if I die I dont really fear death. I can see why people will hate this. *sigh* you cant even voice your own opinion anymore but hopefully you guys see my point. Someday a major disease could mutate to get past our vaccines that take years to build and wed have to keep making our vaccines stronger. Ive realized that its all about survival... Viruses and germs dont want to harm us but they naturally do... they naturally are a disease, they just use our body as a host, and you see how we slaughter cows to eat, (No im no vegan either, I love meat) thats how we survive, I know viruses are singlw celled and are not a complex lifeform im just showing you my opinion and I dont really care if anyone asked its reddit I just wanna hesr other peoples opinions too amd for people to get to know why some people dont use vaccines. peace guys",2020-05-25 01:45:04 +Comment,1,frl6id5,,0,1590299329.0,"Right. Like, if rules don't exist then anyone can just wander into that person's house and kill them without consequence. Is that really the world they think they want to live in? It's a huge propaganda success that someone has managed to get so many people to be totally divorced from the very concept of a society with laws.",2020-05-24 08:48:49 +Comment,1,frkfp85,,0,1590284354.0,It's like poeple fail to understand the basic tennants of civilisation and the idea that every protection you have is a social contract.,2020-05-24 04:39:14 +Comment,5,frivijs,,0,1590239395.0,Yet she posts willingly on social media 🤦🏼‍♀️,2020-05-23 16:09:55 +Comment,6,frikm4c,,0,1590231497.0,"This is such a vapid argument. Society is a consensual communal existence. If you are unwilling to abide by the social norms, rules, customs, and laws of the society you chose to live in then you're more than welcome to go live alone in the woods and stop availing yourself of the benefits of civilization. + +Of course, you can try to change the rules too, but ""I DO NOT CONSENT"" reveals a fundamental lack of understanding about how...any of this...works.",2020-05-23 13:58:17 +Comment,1,frcebmj,,0,1590099317.0,How does manufacturing a vaccine pollute? There isn’t anything being burned,2020-05-22 01:15:17 +Comment,3,fracxoi,,0,1590045442.0,no,2020-05-21 10:17:22 +Comment,2,fr7kws3,,0,1589978707.0,"No, he didn’t just “save” anyone from a dangerous vaccine. Moderna themselves have said that the 8 positives results was a good “first step” [(here)](https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/coronavirus/early-results-from-moderna-vaccine-trial-show-participants-developed-antibodies-against-coronavirus-1.4943881) into creating an effective vaccine. Much more testing is to come and the vaccine is expected as early as January. Don’t worry, more testing will come. + +I agree that there are massive flaws with big pharma and politicians in the US, but not everyone lives in the US.... right? People live in countries less corrupt than america where the health industry is not the massive corporation it is in your country. Vaccines remain the same every, big pharma doesn’t.",2020-05-20 15:45:07 +Comment,1,fr4qgrs,,0,1589923574.0,Yup,2020-05-20 00:26:14 +Comment,3,fr3lcqs,,0,1589888747.0,I was going to make fun of anyone who is and I thought you were but I am vaccinated and think anyone who is anti vaccine is dumb,2020-05-19 14:45:47 +Comment,1,fr2fiyx,,0,1589865197.0,Vaccines save many people from preventable disease. Why would someone not use them?,2020-05-19 08:13:17 +Comment,2,fr2fcc1,,0,1589865103.0,?,2020-05-19 08:11:43 +Comment,6,fr2e613,,0,1589864540.0,This is an extremely vague question. Like mortality rate overall as in all vaccinated vs all unvaccinated? For specific vaccines like all mmr vaccinated babies vs non? All babies who are current with their vaccines in general vs non? What exactly do you consider a baby because a 1 and a half year old is going to have more vaccines compared to a 6 month old.,2020-05-19 08:02:20 +Comment,1,fqy5orn,,0,1589771814.0,"Companies =/= exploited people + +Some may, but that's simply false. + +Not saying you aren't allowed to use, but if you think people are being exploited working for a company, not exactly logical to use the exploited peoples products to complain about these companies.",2020-05-18 06:16:54 +Comment,1,fqxlykc,,0,1589763150.0,So I'm not allowed to use the internet because I think people shouldn't be exploited?,2020-05-18 03:52:30 +Comment,1,fqweaoe,,0,1589730159.0,"lack of choice? yeah maybe for food and water, buying a computer.... not so much.",2020-05-17 18:42:39 +Comment,1,fqw53pe,,0,1589721906.0,You criticize something yet you also participate out of a lack of choice. Curious,2020-05-17 16:25:06 +Comment,1,fqvy961,,0,1589716744.0,Why do you spread fear over something that has helped humanity so much?,2020-05-17 14:59:04 +Comment,-1,fqvxr00,,0,1589716403.0,Yes talk to me,2020-05-17 14:53:23 +Comment,6,fqup2rx,,0,1589691199.0,Anti vaxxers don’t really spread disease until a lot of them are living together because of herd immunity so she probably won’t get you infected,2020-05-17 07:53:19 +Comment,6,fquoq4q,,0,1589691048.0,"Definitely not me, but with the pandemic, I've been in the front yard trying to grow all the food since it's the only place I feel safe, and this woman and her 3 little kids has been walkin by, as one does. She stopped to chat with me yesterday and within a few minutes, after touching on her suspicion of 5G technology being linked to Covid-19, she tells me that she is an antivaxx campaigner and she's proud none of her kids were vaccinated. I actually felt panic, began to back away from her physically and was literally stunned into silence as my ears started ringing. Never in my life have I had such a visceral reaction to an antivaxxer, and I wish I could have thought of the one thing I could have said to make her realize her cognitive dissonance is actually a matter of life or death for some of us. I wonder why, when faced with actual medical data, some peoples' cognitive dissonance cannot be broken.",2020-05-17 07:50:48 +Comment,1,fqtpaw7,,0,1589672241.0,Gee I'd hate to think of what kind of device your posting on.,2020-05-17 02:37:21 +Comment,1,fqt73b5,,0,1589660768.0,My extensive political beliefs are as follows: if it's not worker run we should throw it into the sun,2020-05-16 23:26:08 +Comment,1,fqt3t3d,,0,1589657842.0,you don't like companies? Huh?,2020-05-16 22:37:22 +Comment,0,fqrmybs,,0,1589616429.0,Anti vaxxers are just stupid I don’t think saying that does much,2020-05-16 11:07:09 +Comment,1,fqrlr7r,,0,1589615722.0,"I didn't say it was a political debate, I said that saying ""fuck you retards"" to peopel who are wrong only makes them more sure of their wrong beliefs",2020-05-16 10:55:22 +Comment,1,fqri1x4,,0,1589613571.0,This isn’t a political issue like pro life versus pro choice anti vaxxers are just wrong and spread fear over the things that got our society to where it is today,2020-05-16 10:19:31 +Comment,1,fqrhrww,,0,1589613414.0,I love how there is no evidence,2020-05-16 10:16:54 +Comment,1,fqpntbg,,0,1589579355.0,I just don't like god damned companies in general,2020-05-16 00:49:15 +Comment,1,fq9eshe,,0,1589224709.0,Sometimes you have to feed someone their own medicine to defeat them.,2020-05-11 22:18:29 +Comment,1,fq9ebkj,,0,1589224252.0,"hoh, hoh, hoh, many! Such as ""There are microchips in the ""video demonetization virus"" vaccine!"" or ""Givernments use 5G in vaccines!"". And they never make any sense. We still are developing 5G and microchips can't go through a tiny needle, and probably never will.",2020-05-11 22:10:52 +Comment,1,fq9e2ni,,0,1589224009.0,ikr?,2020-05-11 22:06:49 +Comment,0,fpvtp6y,,0,1588980450.0,">The argument that there is a genetic component to autism is not by itself a proof that vaccines cause autism. + +I'm not saying vaccines cause autism, I'm saying many people say that autism is 100% genetic, which is not true + +>I often argue the fact the people unvaccinated for MMR get autism at about the same rate as people vaccinated for MMR is good evidence that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism. + +This is correct, what is not correct is saying that one autistic unvaccinated person proves vaccines don't cause autism + +>When talking about common arguments made on reddit, you have to realize that most people on both sides of any subject are often not educated enough to make adequate arguments, and both sides often have people making poor arguments. + +Which is exactly why I made a post trying to correct some of those poor arguments",2020-05-09 02:27:30 +Comment,3,fpvgpuq,,0,1588973192.0,"When talking about common arguments made on reddit, you have to realize that most people on both sides of any subject are often not educated enough to make adequate arguments, and both sides often have people making poor arguments. + +The argument that there is a genetic component to autism is not by itself a proof that vaccines cause autism. + + Argument X: ""It is also often argued that unvaccinated autistic people prove autism is not caused by vaccines"" + +I often argue the fact the people unvaccinated for MMR get autism at about the same rate as people vaccinated for MMR is good evidence that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism. The argument X above appears to be a misrepresentation of that argument by less intelligent people on reddit. + +When vaccines are introduced, tests are done to see if they are safe. They don't test for every single disease in the book. In general, tests were not done for autism specifically in the distant past. + + Andrew Wakefield wrote a research article claiming the MMR might be associated with autism. The article was analyzed and Wakefield was discredited and eventually lost his license. + +At this point there was no reason to do further analysis scientifically on the subject. There was no reason to think that the MMR vaccine caused autism. Safety research on vaccines does not do analysis on every disease in the book. + +However, with many vaccine opponents spreading false claims that MMR vaccine cause autism, a large expensive research project was performed to show that MMR vaccine is not linked to autism. + + +There have not been large expensive research projects to prove every single vaccine does not cause autism. There are also a thousand + other diseases we could study if there was money enough. Similarly, tests could be done to see what correlations there are between every drug and food we take with every disease, but there is just not enough money for this.",2020-05-09 00:26:32 +Comment,5,fpu7rrg,,0,1588935323.0,"Of course, and that has been done. Vaccines have risks, but generally are safe.",2020-05-08 13:55:23 +Comment,1,fpu7nnt,,0,1588935252.0,"Usually the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, yes, but if you are telling someone to take a vaccine, the burden of proof is on you to show that it is safe",2020-05-08 13:54:12 +Comment,3,fpu5hhf,,0,1588933893.0,"The burden of proof is on those making the claim that there is a link between vaccines and autism. Since there is no evidence supporting the claim, it's not even necessary to disprove it.",2020-05-08 13:31:33 +Comment,1,foemy7i,,0,1587737007.0,Posts like this only add the the problem by making it look like pro-vaxxers are bullies,2020-04-24 17:03:27 +Comment,1,foefsdw,,0,1587731495.0,"That's not a myth. People actually do that still, sadly.",2020-04-24 15:31:35 +Comment,4,fnki1ej,,0,1587056628.0,"Multiple reasons. +There are a lot of incentives to jump through hoops with any vaccine that ""works"" well enough in studies and is feasible to produce. +Also, there are many many laboratories, universities and pharma companies that want in on this. +The fight to be ""first"" will be more important then waiting for the safest and most efficient vaccine (guess where the money is). + +This also includes political willingness to say ""this is good enough, spread it"". + +So proper vaccine scientists warn that the temptation to approve **any** vaccine will probably be an issue. +Also, there are many new technologies being used for this vaccine, some of them never before used for vaccine development in humans. +There are a lot of unknowns, so experts are saying ""let the science be done, don't rush it"" + +In terms of liability, most vaccine manufacturers have some protection against direct lawsuits and this is actually good for the consumer.",2020-04-16 20:03:48 +Comment,1,fnguzi0,,0,1586974760.0,dont respond because they have a thick fucking skull and an incredibly smooth brain,2020-04-15 21:19:20 +Comment,1,fmblyj1,,0,1585957761.0,"Yes, I know so shared about the myths through my blog",2020-04-04 02:49:21 +Comment,4,fmbkbfk,,0,1585956859.0,There is not,2020-04-04 02:34:19 +Comment,-2,flu0ltg,,0,1585521245.0,Theres a reason we dont have a vaccine for SARS either. They haven't been able to make one that doesnt kill you upon reinfection.,2020-03-30 01:34:05 +Comment,1,floujel,,0,1585374559.0,Chill this is a meme sub reddit and i think there is no antivaxers on this sub reddit,2020-03-28 07:49:19 +Comment,1,flniauo,,0,1585347998.0,Clarification: what I should have said was: Genetics cause autism is one of the only widely excepted statements regarding autism amongst real scientists. (Not pseudo/junk scientists. Junk science is for PETA). Most of the reasons stated on the CDC website have something to do with genetics except for one. (Pregnant women taking drugs that they should not be taking). And the CDC website also says that the time when autism is developed is when in mom and immediately after birth. That alone can completely rule out vaccines as the cause.,2020-03-28 00:26:38 +Comment,1,flltc5x,,0,1585296119.0,"What do you mean? I know genetics is part of it, but you can't use that to debunk claims that vaccines are another cause, because there are multiple causes",2020-03-27 10:01:59 +Comment,1,fllsyzz,,0,1585295904.0,But genetics is one of the only widely excepted factors.,2020-03-27 09:58:24 +Comment,1,fllsspc,,0,1585295802.0,It literally says the causes aren't all known and that genetics are only one of multiple factors,2020-03-27 09:56:42 +Comment,1,flljymk,,0,1585290618.0,But almost all the reasons listed have to do with genetics. And pregnant women should not be taking drugs anyway. Especially vaping and smoking are bad.,2020-03-27 08:30:18 +Comment,1,fll6ysf,,0,1585283571.0,The CDC says genetics are only part of the cause [https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/facts.html](https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/facts.html),2020-03-27 06:32:51 +Comment,1,flkj4ow,,0,1585270693.0,Yeah.,2020-03-27 02:58:13 +Comment,1,flkj2zn,,0,1585270668.0,Science deniers. Ironically many of them are college educated.,2020-03-27 02:57:48 +Comment,2,flkiwkh,,0,1585270573.0,Yeah all these anti vaxx Karen’s have no concept of actual science.,2020-03-27 02:56:13 +Comment,1,flki2s3,,0,1585270132.0,"So many spelling and grammatical errors, so much misinformation, clearly an idiot on the internet who thinks vaccines are the cause of autism.",2020-03-27 02:48:52 +Comment,2,flkhuvd,,0,1585270016.0,Yay! People should teach their kids to be brave when getting vaccines.,2020-03-27 02:46:56 +Comment,1,flkfx33,,0,1585268969.0,Coincidence.,2020-03-27 02:29:29 +Comment,1,flkffll,,0,1585268711.0,"It is possible that some vaccines have been developed with fetus cells rather then animal testing it does not mean the cells are in the vaccine. A vaccine has dead cells of a virus/bacteria so that the immune system can learn how to fight the virus/bacteria off. The dead cells can not cause infection. (Because they are dead, duh).",2020-03-27 02:25:11 +Comment,1,flkevm0,,0,1585268413.0,Poor kid.,2020-03-27 02:20:13 +Comment,1,flkeued,,0,1585268394.0,Yeah. Stupid anti vaxxers.,2020-03-27 02:19:54 +Comment,1,flker0d,,0,1585268341.0,But you can. Simple answer. Autism is genetic. Real science proves that.,2020-03-27 02:19:01 +Comment,2,fljjgfd,,0,1585244014.0,"Actually minus the insults, u are dead on here. It's so hard not to insult them tho, I know. It's just DOESNT help our cause. THAT being said I just cant grasp how they can still think that vaccines cause autism. Science is an asshair away from coming our with their finding on how genetics cause autism. Which is what I've been saying for like 10 yrs but thats besides the point rn. If you take a step back and look at the situation as a whole all signs points to genetics. But I think, and I'm just speculating here, that anti vaxxers are petrified that the autism in their child is their failt. And I can almost undestamd why they dont wanna think that. But they are adults who are capable of lying to themselves very easily. And they are als8 very capable of their causing a lit of9 damage to themselves, they they are uneducated and dangerous and that scaryl + +B",2020-03-26 19:33:34 +Comment,1,fljcltg,,0,1585235676.0,shut up loser,2020-03-26 17:14:36 +Comment,1,flhh67e,,0,1585191368.0,That is the vaccine job to protect her dont worry,2020-03-26 04:56:08 +Comment,1,flcxp9u,,0,1585079363.0,"Both studies. On both animal and humans have mentioned waning immunity. But none quantified it. And I already explained to you yhat because the vaccine is acellular, the immunity will wear of completely. So it becomes irrelevant if they're vaccinated, because they have no immunity if they don't get boosters during adulthood. Hence why they're carriers.",2020-03-24 21:49:23 +Comment,0,flb6cff,,0,1585027086.0,">Are you dense? Or didn't even bother to read everything I wrote? + +I did read everything you wrote, mind telling me what part of it you think I misinterpreted? + +>Point being that unvaccinated animals will be more at risk! Omg, you're... something. + +The unvaccinated people are more at risk from pertussis, yes, but the part of the study you quoted says that even the vaccinated can spread it, and the original post that started this discussion was about how much risk a mostly vaccinated person has from being around an unvaccinated person, and I said that since even vaccinated people can spread pertussis, and the kids in question were mostly vaccinated, they increase in risk from being around unvaccinated kids was very small",2020-03-24 07:18:06 +Comment,0,flb38qy,,0,1585025278.0,">The study doesn't say people are forgetting their boosters, it says there is evidence that the vaccine doesn't stop people form being asymptomatic carriers + +Are you dense? Or didn't even bother to read everything I wrote? + +>When these animals were co-housed, they were able to infect other, unvaccinated, animals. + +Point being that unvaccinated animals will be more at risk! Omg, you're... something.",2020-03-24 06:47:58 +Comment,0,flah7i9,,0,1585012610.0,"The study doesn't say people are forgetting their boosters, it says there is evidence that the vaccine doesn't stop people form being asymptomatic carriers + +>They are though, because they become even a bigger reservoir of infection. +> +>""However, Merkel notes that there was a “startling” difference in acellular-vaccinated animals: “After they were infected, they became colonised and remained colonised longer than unvaccinated animals. Although they weren’t sick, they were carrying the bacterium in their airways.” When these animals were co-housed, they were able to infect other, unvaccinated, animals. + +This is talking about vaccinated animals, not unvaccinated",2020-03-24 03:16:50 +Comment,1,fl9i575,,0,1584985620.0,"I think I already carried a discussion with you on this subject. + +This is a 36 subject study. It's too short and doesn't offer certainty. Either way, will discuss it again. + + +You missed this paragraph I guess, that the data is not showing a clear causation. + +> ""A second issue is that clearly not enough time has elapsed since the switch to aP to draw definitive conclusions about the resumption of cycles of B. pertussis incidence. While the data appear most consistent with asymptomatic transmission from aP vaccinated individuals, it may be many years before enough time has elapsed to be able to rule out this hypothesis."" + + +Also other disclaimers: + +>Our model does not explicitly account for evolution of the B. pertussis bacterium [7, 56] — a factor which may play a large role in the epidemiological dynamics of B. pertussis. For example, it has been posited that B. pertussis has adapted to vaccination in several European countries. Mooi et al. (2001) identified genetic changes between pre- and post-vaccination strains of B. pertussis [8]. Despite this evidence, including evolution would merely increase the number of individuals susceptible to both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection and would yield exactly the opposite pattern of population genomic variation than seen empirically. + + + +________________________________________________________________ +The aP vaccine (acellular pertussis) is reliable for kids especially, somewhat similar to the rotaviral vaccine and maybe the meningococcal one too, because it offers immunity for a few critical years, when kids are small and vulnerable. Unlike the whole cell pertussis vaccine, which gives a longer and sturdier immunity. + +Nobody expects these vaccines to be efficient and create immunity per life. The same with tetanus and diphtheria. You have to get boosters to be actually protected for longer periods of time! Otherwise your antibody count will become super low and you become susceptible to the infection AND maybe becoming a carrier. Sure, not the case of tetanus, but the case of diphtheria. pertussis... + +Why? Because with the aP vaccine, immunity is not stimulated enough, as there are less antigens in it to ""irritate"" the immune system and create enough antibodies. Hence you basically become unimmunized. Just like unvaccinated persons. + + + +This was observed in a trial for animals too. And by this, we get back to your previous ideas that unvaccinated kids are not that much of a danger. They are though, because they become even a bigger reservoir of infection. + +>>""However, Merkel notes that there was a “startling” difference in acellular-vaccinated animals: “After they were infected, they became colonised and remained colonised longer than unvaccinated animals. Although they weren’t sick, they were carrying the bacterium in their airways.” When these animals were co-housed, they were able to infect other, unvaccinated, animals. + +>>A similar pattern was seen with whole-cell vaccinated animals, but they were able to clear the infection within two weeks — much quicker than the acellular-vaccinated animals. “To a large extent, this can explain the increase we are seeing in cases of pertussis,” says Merkel."" + +https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/features/stopping-whooping-cough-in-its-tracks/20206396.article?firstPass=false + +Either way, the conclusion was ok and mentioned that the more there are vaccinated, just like with polio, the less risk of contracting a disease if you have a large percentage of the population vaccinated. It's called herd immunity! And possible eradication. Look at polio, it still can be transmitted through feces, for a while after getting the vaccine. Yet in so many countries it's been eradicated. + +Also, the problem is here that both the study you linked and the one I linked, failed to mention the antibody count. They're just mentioning waning immunity, which is not enough for a conclusion. + +This remains my point of argument, to what you said: you're not immunised, or properly immunised anymore if you manage to colonise a bacteria you're vaccinated against. Aka: you need the booster.",2020-03-23 19:47:00 +Comment,0,fl8rfrz,,0,1584959267.0,"Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/) + +>In their study, Warfel et al. used non-human primates as a model for *B. pertussis* infection, and found evidence that **individuals vaccinated with current acellular** ***B. pertussis*** **vaccines (aP) can become asymptomatically infected, and can then transmit infection to susceptible individuals. The potential for this type of vaccine failure has been observed in humans where reanalyses of aP vaccine studies revealed that individuals vaccinated with components of the aP vaccine were protected against disease, but not bacterial colonization** \[[10](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR10), [11](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR11)\]. This is in addition to the extant, but limited, evidence for natural asymptomatic infection \[[12](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR12)–[14](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR14)\]. +> +>Warfel et al. point out that asymptomatic infection in aP vaccinated individuals, and subsequent transmission, may partially account for the increase in observed *B. pertussis* incidence. However, from a public health perspective, the presence of vaccine-induced or naturally infected asymptomatic individuals who transmit disease could have consequences beyond facilitating an increase in incidence. In response to Warfel et al., Domenech de Cellès et al. (2014) \[[15](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR15)\] argue that a reduction in incidence among unvaccinated individuals in a population with high aP coverage shows that aP must reduce *B. pertussis* transmission to some extent. It may be that aP vaccinated infected people are less efficient at transmitting *B. pertussis* compared with unvaccinated infected people, though it is not clear to what extent \[[16](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/#CR16)\]. +> +>Here, we examine incidence and genetic data to provide empirical support for asymptomatic transmission and then construct mathematical models of *B. pertussis* transmission to explore the public health consequences of asymptomatic transmission. Our results suggest that: 1) there is strong empirical support for asymptomatic transmission from both the epidemiological and genomic data; 2) the presence of asymptomatic transmitters will bias estimates of vaccine efficacy derived from observations of stochastic fadeouts across cities; and 3) asymptomatic transmission provides the most parsimonious explanation for many of the observed patterns associated with current *B. pertussis* dynamics in the US and UK (that is, the resurgence of cases, the changes in age-specific attack rates, the observed level of bacterial genetic variation, and the failure of ring-vaccinating, or “cocooning”, unvaccinated infants). + +There is a Huuuge difference between being an antivaxer (who is biased against vaccines and not following science) and being willing to acknowledge that science shows not every vaccine is able to reliably prevent transmission",2020-03-23 12:27:47 +Comment,1,fl8j4wn,,0,1584953678.0,"> Basically you can have antibodies against a toxin that the bacterium produces, so you are not harmed by the infection, but not have enough antibodies against the bacterium itself, so the germs are still in you, and can be spread, but you don't feel noticeably sick + +Nope. That's not true. Healthy carriers can exist, but not for preventable diseases through vaccination. They can exist for staph aureus, for some strep spp. for example. But not the diseases someone is vaccinated against. There are literally no asymptomatic carriers, like there are in COVID-19. + +cannot wait for that source tho ;) + +PS: I know you from the multiple comments you leave on a lot of subreddit about vaccines. I tagged you a loooong time ago for the half truths you're saying here and there. And let me tell you: i can smell your bullshit from far away. You aren't pro vaxx. Or if you're struggling to be, you're still very far from being pro vaxx. Do a better job if you're not antivaxx anymore, as you keep claiming!",2020-03-23 10:54:38 +Comment,0,fl8bp80,,0,1584948866.0,">how does this even make any sense? +> +>Can you please back up this information you have. How can you be immune and still be contagious? It's clear to me that you don't know how antibodies work then. + +It might take some time for me to find the source, but I will look + +EDIT: source here: Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/) + +Basically you can have antibodies against a toxin that the bacterium produces, so you are not harmed by the infection, but not have enough antibodies against the bacterium itself, so the germs are still in you, and can be spread, but you don't feel noticeably sick + +>sure thing, but the risk of being a carrier is higher than with vaccinated kids. that's literally a fact. + +Yes, and I never disputed that fact, I said the risk is low, not that it is zero",2020-03-23 09:34:26 +Comment,1,fl8a0qp,,0,1584947836.0,"What the heck are you talking about? + +>You can be immune to illness without being immune to infection, meaning that you still can catch and spread the germs, but they won't hurt you + +how does this even make any sense? + +Can you please back up this information you have. How can you be immune and still be contagious? It's clear to me that you don't know how antibodies work then. + +>just because someone is unvaccinated doesn't mean they are infected + +sure thing, but the risk of being a carrier is higher than with vaccinated kids. that's literally a fact.",2020-03-23 09:17:16 +Comment,3,fl80bry,,0,1584942006.0,"Parts were, sure, but it's pretty moot considering it's just framed by your personal risk threshold.",2020-03-23 07:40:06 +Comment,1,fl7mes5,,0,1584933561.0,Nothing I said was incorrect though,2020-03-23 05:19:21 +Comment,2,fl7lbbs,,0,1584932906.0,"With some other commentary attached, yes.",2020-03-23 05:08:26 +Comment,1,fl7g3ry,,0,1584929813.0,"Which is why I said: + + ""a 2 year old in the US has had many vaccines but has not yet had boosters of MMR, chickenpox, and DTaP""",2020-03-23 04:16:53 +Comment,0,fl7ft6q,,0,1584929643.0,">that's incomplete and misleading! no one spreads anything they have immunity against! + +You can be immune to illness without being immune to infection, meaning that you still can catch and spread the germs, but they won't hurt you Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482312/) + +>while some vaccines to offer protection 100% in some cases, no vaccine is perfect. + +No vaccine is 100%, but vaccines do substantially reduce the risk, just because someone is unvaccinated doesn't mean they are infected, this is why I said the risk is very small, I did not claim that there was absolutely 0 risk",2020-03-23 04:14:03 +Comment,6,fl6j2cg,,0,1584899994.0,"For now, yes. She will need boosters throughout her life to keep/increase that protection. But since the primary vaccination is completed, she is protected for now.",2020-03-22 19:59:54 +Comment,0,fl6j0pp,,0,1584899933.0,">even vaccinated kids spread pertussis, so avoiding unvaccinated people doesn't change your risk that much + +that's incomplete and misleading! no one spreads anything they have immunity against! + +so if you daughter has immunity against one disease, she won't spread anything. nor will she get it from other vaccinated kids. + +>The increased risk from being around unvaccinated kids is really small + +this is also very misleading. while some vaccines to offer protection 100% in some cases, no vaccine is perfect. so if someone is unvaccinated, it's best to not let them play together if you know their vaccine status and you know they're unvaccinated. + +you can't protect the kids at all times, but when you can, just avoid staying around unvaccinated persons!",2020-03-22 19:58:53 +Comment,4,fl64q9k,,0,1584883186.0,"The actual answer is she isn't fully protected, but she's as protected as she can be for her age.",2020-03-22 15:19:46 +Comment,0,fl5vglb,,0,1584875562.0,"The increased risk from being around unvaccinated kids is really small, a 2 year old in the US has had many vaccines but has not yet had boosters of MMR, chickenpox, and DTaP + +However the risk is low, even one dose of MMR will probably result in immunity to measles and rubella, and likely mumps too, while one dose of chickenpox vaccine should reduce the risk and severity if chickenpox if they do get it + +As for DTaP, diphtheria is incredibly rare in the US, even the the antivax communities where there have been measles outbreak there isn't diphtheria, and tetanus simply can't be spread from person to person + +even vaccinated kids spread pertussis, so avoiding unvaccinated people doesn't change your risk that much",2020-03-22 13:12:42 +Comment,2,fky5aho,,0,1584670518.0,"You really can't. Its like trying to debate a flat-earther, or someone who denies the moon landing.",2020-03-20 04:15:18 +Comment,1,fky4je6,,0,1584670067.0,They actually have a point about the fact that you can't say that because something is safe to eat it must be safe to inject,2020-03-20 04:07:47 +Comment,6,fkxirg4,,0,1584657830.0,"1.) The movie they cited as their source, “Vaxxed”, was written by Andrew Wakefield. He is a former UK doctor who was hired by a group of parents to find a link between vaccines and autism. He published a study finding the link in the highly respected medical journal the “Lancet”. It was later found that he falsified the results of his study, and also performed very unethical and invasive tests on children with autism to “prove” his findings (think unnecessary spinal taps and other painful procedures). His was the first, and I believe only, article to be retracted in the Lancet in all its years of publication. Wakefield was stripped of his medical license and ability to continue practicing medicine in the UK. No doctors, in any country, have ever completed a study that replicated his results. An important factor of scientific studies is they need to be repeatable. If nobody else is getting the same results, his study is suspect regardless of the ethics of it (but that’s a huge deal anyways) I would be HIGHLY skeptical of anything that has his name on it. + +2.) The movie Vaxxed is only showing one “side” of the story, if you can call it that. It’s meant to scare people and to convince them that vaccines are bad. It isn’t a sound source because it’s heavily biased and does not present all the information, only the information that supports their narrative. + +3.) Vaccine injuries are a real thing. However, they are also incredibly rare. I am not a doctor, or medical professional in any capacity, so I don’t have hard science for you. But look at the number of people who have been fully vaccinated and compare that to the number of people who have vaccine caused injuries. My entire life, 99% of the people I know are fully vaccinated, and not a single one of them had any impairment attributed to vaccines. I’d do some research into the actual chances of vaccine injury. But I’m almost positive that the chances of a vaccine injury are significantly smaller than the chances of injury from other routine or necessary/life saving procedures that we don’t bat an eye at (think surgeries and the like) + +4.) The hole in the logic of anti-Vaxxers that I’ve never heard them answer is this: if you break an arm, where are you going to go? Answer: the doctor’s. They wouldn’t think twice about it. I know anti-vaxxers who have rushed their children to the doctor for a high fever. However, they also claim big pharma is a conspiracy and trying to hurt you. If the vaccines aren’t safe, how can anything the doctor says/does be trusted? Either they are in on the conspiracy or they are dumb enough to be taken in by it, and either way how can you trust them? Also, the FDA approves the vaccines, and they also approve the other meds you might take/a doctor might prescribe you. How can you trust ANY of that if the vaccines are a huge conspiracy? You’re better off staying away entirely if that’s the case. + +5.) The ingredients in vaccines sound scary, sure. I wouldn’t trust myself to mix a vaccine safely. However, I am not a doctor. I didn’t spend years studying medicine, and then following strict procedures and countless peer-reviewed and tested studies to have the know-how to make vaccines. Just like I wouldn’t trust myself to wire a house, because I have no experience, but I would trust an electrician. Or how I would trust a cardiologist to perform open heart surgery on me but I wouldn’t trust my husband because he isn’t a medical professional. + +6.) On their whole “ingestion vs injection” thing; broccoli is totally safe to ingest. We recommend people ingestion broccoli as it’s very good for you. We do not recommend people injecting broccoli into their bloodstream. Again, I’m not a doctor, but injecting broccoli into your body will kill you. Should we get rid of broccoli? + +7.) Vaccines seem unnecessary, but it’s because they work. Vaccines stop the spread of dangerous and even deadly diseases. When enough people vaccinate, it protects the vulnerable populations (elderly, very young, immunocompromised, and those who for one reason or another cannot receive vaccines). The disease cannot spread, causing it to effectively die out, or at least prevents it from becoming a pandemic. This whole Coronavirus thing is actually a good illustration of how bad a pandemic can be and how beneficial these vaccines are. Smallpox, measles, heck even the flu, all used to tear through communities and kill/injure a lot of people. Modern medicine helps, but the vaccines keep it from spreading like wildfire in the first place. When was the last measles epidemic? Or the last smallpox outbreak? We vaccinate for those, and while a case of measles or two might pop up every now and then, we aren’t shutting down cities because of an outbreak. + +I hope this helps! Sorry for the novel, this is everything I’ve been wanting to say to my anti-Vaxxer friends and haven’t really been able to, so typing this up was kind of cathartic.",2020-03-20 00:43:50 +Comment,3,fk2cfqo,,0,1583826729.0,"https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/ican-foia-lawsuit-misrepresenting-another-non-win-from-anti-vaccine-group/ +This law professor explains the case. Also, you can see the court document published by ICAN if you scroll through my comments or I imagine google the relevant details.",2020-03-10 09:52:09 +Comment,0,fk1ygss,,0,1583818189.0,How so?,2020-03-10 07:29:49 +Comment,1,fk1xl33,,0,1583817686.0,And it was the MMR study that was the impetus for creating the VAXXED documentary.,2020-03-10 07:21:26 +Comment,1,fk1he64,,0,1583808514.0,"What she said is basically right, most vaccines haven't been studied for a connection to autism, so when the CDC was asked for their proof that hib, DTaP and polio vaccines don't cause autism, they responded with a bunch of studies that just looked at a preservative that is no longer in any of those vaccines, a few MMR studies, and even a review that says that there are no good studies on DTaP and autism, but that vaccines and autism is not a worthwhile area of research + +This doesn't mean vaccines do cause autism, but that you cannot accurately claim that ""studies have proven vaccines don't cause autism"", because these studies looked only at MMR, not DTaP, ect",2020-03-10 04:48:34 +Comment,1,fjx4ioi,,0,1583685145.0,Lmao fucking brainlet,2020-03-08 18:32:25 +Comment,1,fjwndxn,,0,1583670261.0,Yes and so do APPLES you dumb people.,2020-03-08 14:24:21 +Comment,1,fjul3b8,,0,1583646632.0,My guy unvaccinated kids live the same life as vaccinated kids but are way healthier and well better in every way really,2020-03-08 07:50:32 +Comment,0,fjuj6un,,0,1583646034.0,Through baby todas life he has developed asthma and many other symptoms to a point where he died of getting vaccinated so many dang gosh times,2020-03-08 07:40:34 +Comment,3,fjnn40j,,0,1583539650.0,"Not a shelf-stable film, but the [oral polio vaccine](http://polioeradication.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/20150421_SAGE.jpg) has been around for decades.",2020-03-07 02:07:30 +Comment,1,fjagldf,,0,1583201877.0,Because the misinformation it spreads gets kids killed,2020-03-03 04:17:57 +Comment,1,fj5q19u,,0,1583068184.0," + +[**Varicella (chickenpox)**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/varicella-vaccine), [**rubella**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccines) (the “R” in the MMR vaccine), [**hepatitis A**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/hepatitis-a-vaccine), and one preparation of [**rabies vaccine**](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/rabies-vaccine) are all made by growing the viruses in fetal embryo fibroblast cells. Two combination vaccines available in the U.S. also contain polio vaccine virus grown in fetal cells, Pentacel® and Quadracel®. Fibroblast cells are the cells needed to hold skin and other connective tissue together. The fetal embryo fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same embryonic cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines.*Yes, some vaccines are grown in fetal cells.* However the situation is more complex than that.",2020-03-01 15:09:44 +Comment,1,fiop22x,,0,1582616494.0,"**10:** [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534) + +This is interesting but jumps to conclusions, it basically says that autistic children have an abnormal immune response to measles virus, as well as autoantibodies against the nerves, but from what I can see in the abstract there is no way to tell if the autoantibodies and abnormal response to measles are both the result of an overactive immune system, or if the abnormal response to measles virus was responsible for the autoantibodies + +If autism is actually caused by immune response to measles virus, then wouldn't measles disease also cause autism? + +**11:** [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159) Once again comparing different countries, creating a serious issue with many confounding variables, same problem as #3",2020-02-25 09:41:34 +Comment,1,fioiftj,,0,1582612766.0,"Hey, sorry to break it to ya, but that isn't a scientific paper. + +It's a loaf of cobblers with basic scientific errors, persuasive writing and ample fear tactics. + +It looks like a smoke screen psudo (fake) scientific mumbo jumbo 😬 + +Proof: ""If there is a mutation that alters a single base-pair, the resulting protein will have a single amino acid that is altered."" +WRONG: silent synonymous mutations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_mutation",2020-02-25 08:39:26 +Comment,2,fimx2sk,,0,1582578591.0,"There is 0,125 - 0,82 mg aluminium in vaccines, in Applejuice there are 5 - 100 mg aluminium.",2020-02-24 23:09:51 +Comment,1,fimfmls,,0,1582557140.0,"Your welcome, I will try to get around the the rest of them soon",2020-02-24 17:12:20 +Comment,1,film7q9,,0,1582533690.0,">So.... one ""excess event"" for 730 vaccinations, or about 0.14%. That's.... not very much. And how many were bad enough to require hospitalization? + +That is after the 18 month vacicnes, it was 1 in 168 after the 12 months vacicnes, as the first dose of a live vaccine vaccinates you against the side effects of that vaccine + +>So.... just about zero difference. The study primarily revolves around trying to reduce febrile seizures to a point lower than where they are, i.e.: reduce side effects even further. + +Febrile seizures were a minority of the side effects in that study",2020-02-24 10:41:30 +Comment,0,filg137,,0,1582529545.0,"May I ask if you are trying to convince your family, or yourself? + +You have to take a step back from all this stuff being thrown at you and ask- if even a small fraction of them are correct, why is it pediatricians, epidemiologists, and their various member organizations still recommend their use? If the answer is ""because big pharma,"" then you will have to reassess how much drug companies make off of vaccines. Hint: it's not a whole lot. + +Just a random study: that first one, let's say. + +>Four to 12 days post 12 month vaccination, children had a 1.33 (1.29–1.38) increased relative incidence + +So, that works out to a 33% increased risk of whatever it is they're measuring, with a range of 29% to 38% increased risk (with a 95% confidence limit). Sounds like a lot! + +>Ten to 12 days post 18 month vaccination, the relative incidence was 1.25 (95%, 1.17–1.33) which represented at least one excess event for every 730 children vaccinated. + +So.... one ""excess event"" for 730 vaccinations, or about 0.14%. That's.... not very much. And how many were bad enough to require hospitalization? + +>There were non-significant increases in hospital admissions. + +So.... just about zero difference. The study primarily revolves around trying to reduce febrile seizures to a point lower than where they are, i.e.: reduce side effects even further. + +Secondly, many of the cited studies are going on about mercury. Thimerosal- the compound containing mercury used to preserve vaccines- has not been used in childhood vaccines for years, long enough that we should have seen a diminution in the rate of autism would that mercury was responsible. As it stands, all routine vaccines for use in those under the age of 6 [do not contain thimerosal.](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines) + +To be frank, if you're trying to convince your family, you're not going to be able to swim upstream against Facebook nonsense. Your best bet is to just say ""Thank you for your viewpoints,"" and go about vaccinating your kids based on the advice of an experienced pediatrician.",2020-02-24 09:32:25 +Comment,2,fijm47t,,0,1582483273.0,"OK, Here goes for the second study, it is paywalled so I can't really see the whole thing but it says + +>Boys vaccinated as neonates had threefold greater odds for autism diagnosis compared to boys never vaccinated or vaccinated after the first month of life. + +This raises the possibility that some issue at birth is associated with both autism and postponement of vaccination, the including of 3 year olds who may not have been diagnosed yet, along with the use of ""parental report of autism diagnosis"" rather than medical record could also possibly create issues + +This study was also done before mercury was removed from hepatitis B vaccine in the US, so besides the potential for confounding variables it is looking at a vaccine with a no longer used preservative (still used in certain flu shots, but not hepatitis vaccine). I don't think this is an entirely conclusive study + +**STUDY #3:** This is comparing different countries, which is just asking for confounding variables, I'm not even sure I want to bother reading through a study that I can tell from the abstract is so inconclusive. + +Also, the only author is journalist who runs an antivax group + +**STUDY #4** is a case report of an unusual event and is inconclusive because such case reports can't determine if the deaths were a coincidence or not + +**STUDY #5** Is of an unsafe vaccine that was withdrawn from the market over safety concerns and has now been replaced with a different version [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/rota.html#vaccines](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/rota.html#vaccines) + +**STUDY #6** Is just a temporal correlation, one of the weakest forms of evidence, and c an be used to draw all kind of ridiculous conclusions, examples here:[https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations](https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations) + +This study also uses number of pediatricians in a state as the measure of access to care, which is ridiculous, as finance, transportation, population, geography, ect also affect access to care + +Also, the author is an economist, not a doctor + +**STUDY #7** Just says a whistleblower said vaccines cause autism, a lot more info is needed to know what is going on here + +**STUDY #8** is interesting but jumps to conclusions, as the info provided is insufficient to establish causation, it may be that an overactive immune system causes both the autoantibodies and the abnormal immune response to measles vaccine, rather than that the vaccines causes the autoantibodies. And if the vaccine does cause the autoantibodies, then measles itself likely also would, and may present a greater risk than the vaccine + +**STUDY #9** is once again based on temporal correlation and comparison of different countries, see #6 and #3 for why that is bad + +I have to go to bed now, will look at more of these soon though",2020-02-23 20:41:13 +Comment,0,fijl0ok,,0,1582481769.0,"**TL:DR It takes time to read multiple studies, but I read though most of the first one and it looks pretty good, it suggests that around 1 in 168 kids have a side effect leading to an ER visit or hospitalization caused by the first dose of MMR and chickenpox vaccines, although most were just ER visits without hospitalization** + +**I will look into the rest of them in coming days (or hours), but looking through all 39(!) will take some time** + +Analysis of the first study (sorry it's so long, science is just complicated sometimes): The authors appear to be from legitimate institutions, and the methods of the study look legit, they found that among kids who go to the ER within 28 days after the 12 month vaccines in Ontario, more of them went to the ER between 4-12 days after vaccination than when to the ER on days 20-28, and this was statistically significant, using a legitimate definition of statistically significant (95% CI, and p-value <0.0001) + +This suggests that that vaccines are causing kids to go to the ER between 4 and 12 days after vaccination, which is consistant with the expected timeframe for reactions to live vaccines such as the MMR and chickenpox vaccine, both of which are given at 12 months + +The most obvious form of bias would be to compare time periods of different lengths, but they are comparing a 9 day period to a 9 day period, so no issue there + +Another potential issue with a study like this study is that the rate of ER visits on days 20-28 is assumed to be non-vaccine related, and used as a control, so any vaccine related ER visits in this period would not only be missed but would contribute to a lower estimate of the number of day 4-12 ER visits that are attributable to vaccines, this bias would actually make the study underestimate the dangers of vaccines, but I don't know that it was a major issue based on the graphs provided + +The fact that they vaccine related ER visits had almost the exact same severity score as the none vaccine related ones might suggest that the ""vaccine related"" ER visits and non vaccine related ones, are for the exact same conditions, meaning that none of them are actually vaccine related (or that they all are, but this wouldn't explain the ER visits right before vaccination). However, there was no increase in facial injuries in the period of increased ER visits after vaccination, suggesting that the increase was actually do to different conditions, ie, they were actually vaccine related. Vaccine related and non-vaccine related ER visits could be the same average severity if this is a threshold at which parents take kids to the ER, and both vaccine related and non vaccine related ER visits are rarely more serious than this threshold + +The increase in ER visits after 18 month vaccinations (which include a second dose of MMR and chickenpox) was little to none, which is consistant with the fact that once you have had the 1 dose of a live virus vaccine you are usually vaccinated against side effects of subsequent doses, and this suggests that the increase in ER visits after the 12 months vaccines is either due to the live vaccines (MMR and/or chickenpox), or one of the non live vaccines that is given at 12 months but not at 18 months, although the timing 4-12 days after vaccination is more consistant with a live vaccine",2020-02-23 20:16:09 +Comment,1,fi7kz7e,,0,1582252147.0,Go the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia page on it,2020-02-21 04:29:07 +Comment,2,fi3d2mo,,0,1582141168.0,"And youre right. +(Also i was using food as an example)",2020-02-19 21:39:28 +Comment,2,fi2jp8i,,0,1582110149.0,"Of course not all “pro vax” individuals are the same. Honestly I think most are just uninformed/ misinformed. But the ones that call for segregation, loss of medical autonomy, or charges of abuse are definitely fascists. + +You don’t have to be monitored 24/7 to be experimented on. Tests performed illegally, without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects are unethical experiments. They do not provide information on the actual harms before getting consent, they bully people into consenting, they do not study the population they will actually be giving the vaccine or for any appropriate length of time. Again, see the comment in regards to vaccination of pregnant women. + +“Human subject research is systematic, scientific investigation that can be either interventional or observational and involves human beings as research subjects.” + +Absolutely food is important! We avoid eating out and buy all organic and non-gmo. Also, you have to worry about lotions, shampoos, makeup, tampons, toothpaste, etc. you absorb chemicals though your skin too.",2020-02-19 13:02:29 +Comment,1,fho2lto,,0,1581768237.0,I genuinely can't tell if this is satire,2020-02-15 14:03:57 +Comment,1,fgz1hot,,0,1581218372.0,"I respect people that dont want to vaccinate because of their child's experience with it, but so many people go on ""witch hunts"" abt things like big pharma. If your child is allergic to a vaccine than in all means, dont take that vaccine- but this is the situation for any other medicine. However, vaccines are not a one size fits all situation, just like other medicine. +I think both you and i have proven our points by now, so any more arguing could lead to a heated debate. Thank you for this opprotunity to both listen to and spread differing viewpoints.",2020-02-09 05:19:32 +Comment,1,fgyro8x,,0,1581215112.0,So? There are many people uncomfortable vaccinating their second and third children because their first child had such a bad reaction. What's your point?,2020-02-09 04:25:12 +Comment,1,fgxqftu,,0,1581204443.0,Did you know that some mothers cant breastfeed and have to resort to formula because they are uncomfortable with using another person's breastmilk.,2020-02-09 01:27:23 +Comment,1,fgxgne9,,0,1581201408.0,"Did you know prior to getting 'immunity' from the measles shot, infants were protected through breastmilk from their mother's naturally acquired immunity? The 'immunity' acquired through the shot isnt passed down through breastmilk thus creating the need to receive shots for life when the immunity wanes. And whooping cough? Read on... +Protection from the TdaP vaccine doesn’t last very long - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publishing +https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/protection-from-the-tdap-vaccine-doesnt-last-very-long-201602099202",2020-02-09 00:36:48 +Comment,1,fguyl1x,,0,1581161184.0,So does.... our bodies,2020-02-08 13:26:24 +Comment,1,fguy45t,,0,1581160873.0,"People that are pro vaccine want more progress to have a safe way to prevent potentially preventable diseases. +Most pro vaxxers do NOT think that the human body is completely figured out. +Pro vaxxers WANT evience; they want to know the effects of vaccines on the body just as much as anybody else. +Censorship of ideas IS wrong and it should not happen. +But people that want other people to be vaccinated are trying to help other people. +People pushing pro vax ideas are not fascist. They want to promote health. +And people that are against vaccines are likely to be thr same people that call out and ostracize people that are pro vax just as much as the other side. +If you don't want to take the flu shot then that's fine, but you are calling out pro vaxxers for being ""ignorant"" while the same could be said for everybody. +Getting a vaccine is not the same as being experimented on. +You are not kept under lock and key being monitored 24/7. +An unrelated side not is that if you are thay careful about injecting vaccines, you should also worry about the foods that you are feeding yourself. +In general, you NEED to be aware of the risks and benifits of many things like vaccines, food, oils, clothes, and many other things. +(Another side note is that you probably should not use reddit as evidence to debunk herd immunity)",2020-02-08 13:21:13 +Comment,1,fguw3o0,,0,1581159535.0,You know that infants too young to have vaccines can die from illnesses like measles and whooping cough etc.,2020-02-08 12:58:55 +Comment,1,fgurzz2,,0,1581156883.0,Touching bats can kill you. Never mind eating the thing. They are filthy.,2020-02-08 12:14:43 +Comment,1,fgue9o5,,0,1581147482.0,The virus was caused by someone eating a bat =_=,2020-02-08 09:38:02 +Comment,1,fgu0wib,,0,1581140698.0,"The Chinese regiment means that their blood is effectively sterilized from antiseptics and medicines and nutrients and antibodies, + + the cells coated + +and the lymph nodes bombarded with medical ingredients. + +It would also be interesting to know how often an average Chinese home sterilizes their bathroom, floor, shelves, windows and counters. As you said, a sterile environment isn't the aim, BUT an artificial one needs a routine maintenance.",2020-02-08 07:44:58 +Comment,1,fgtleg0,,0,1581134846.0,"> Their immune system is burdened as well as purged of natural disease detourants. + +I don't think there is any evidence for this, and I struggle to imagine any biologically plausible mechanism that would cause this. + +Vaccines are not especially burdensom to the immune system. On the contrary we encounter a dozen novel antigens per day, and at any given point our immune systems are in the process of combating 1000+ different insults (though the vast majority are mostly harmless like pet dander or pollen). + +Moreover, today's vaccination schedule is far less insulting than the one our parents went through. Today's children get more overall needle sticks, but smaller doses each time, and there are fewer novel antigens in said vaccines. In the 1960-70s they had no good way to determine which antigens to target to provoke an immune response, so they basically used brute force. Some vaccines had hundreds even thousands of antigens like the old Pertussis vaccine. Probably only a handful were relevant, but they couldn't isolate them, so they just gave you the whole load. Today we're much better at isolating the relevant ones. + +I saw a paper about this a few years back, IIRC a child born in the 2010s will be exposed to about 150 novel antigens through the CDC recommended vaccination schedule, a kid born in the 1980s probably got 3000, and in larger doses (but fewer shots). We probably get 20,000+ per year naturally anyway. As such, the insult from vaccinations is not that unusual, and in fact, far less significant than actually getting the flu or measles. I don't think there is any evidence that vaccination makes people ""softer"". + +While hygiene theory suggest growing up in a sterile environment is a bad thing, there is no evidence that surviving horrible illnesses somehow makes you stronger. In fact, I'd wager the opposite. A serous measles infection for example, can royally screw with your immune system for years. + +As to your question, I can't imagine how getting routine flu and TDAP shots would make you more susceptible to something like SARS or nCov. + +I'd guess modern epidemics are the result of habitat destruction via industrial agriculture, and reckless slaughter practices, and increased human mobility. The 2014 West Ebola outbreak was not unusual in any biological way, the only thing that changed was that modern Africa is surprisingly well connected with significant flow of goods and people, whereas 1970s Africa was isolated and most Ebola outbreaks were easily contained.",2020-02-08 06:07:26 +Comment,1,fgthaab,,0,1581133278.0,"Yes. +If they are enhanced by**. + +Chinese get Shots. Their immune system is burdened as well as purged of natural disease detourants.",2020-02-08 05:41:18 +Comment,1,fgtgtxf,,0,1581133094.0,So you're asking if these viruses came about as a natural response to human vaccination efforts?,2020-02-08 05:38:14 +Comment,1,fgtg4ei,,0,1581132845.0,"No one asked if they were engineered. *** + +So please, address the docket. + +Made*. Triggering, infers, Not engineered.",2020-02-08 05:34:05 +Comment,2,fgtee5h,,0,1581132133.0,"> Is it more likely that Corona and other viruses like SARS, Avian and ZIKA + +What? How did you arrive at this conclusion? Zika was identified in the 1950s and is very similar to its flavivirus cousins (less dangerous than most). Avian flu (H5N1) is literally just one of many flu strains. + +The first coronaviruses were identified in the 1960s, and are one of several that cause the common cold. You've almost certainly had a few coronavirus infections over the course of your life. SARS, MERS-CoV and the new nCov-2019 are unusually dangerous examples, but there is no evidence whatsoever that they were engineered. + +I don't see how vaccines could have anything to do with these recent spillovers either. Putting domesticated food animals in close quarters with wild animals and humans is a receipe for disaster. Bats in particular carry all sorts of nasties and being routinely exposed to bat viscera will eventually cause problems whether you got a flu shot or not.",2020-02-08 05:22:13 +Comment,1,fgsl0j4,,0,1581115758.0,"Are you referring to a colloquial history of malnourished, exhausted, Cold, dirty people?",2020-02-08 00:49:18 +Comment,2,fgsja0s,,0,1581114551.0,Lack of evidence or Bayesian prior,2020-02-08 00:29:11 +Comment,-2,fgsj6ne,,0,1581114487.0,"Well, that's besides the point. + +Is trusting in medical practices and or practioners, which is blind faith, a mental disorder?: yes. + +Is it a danger?: yes. + +Is it a detriment to our rights to discriminate against antivaccination beliefs or to favor vaccination beliefs?: yes. + +Is there grounds to stock faith in vaccinations?: no, and Ambiguity disqualifies the validity of vaccinations.",2020-02-08 00:28:07 +Comment,1,fgsi9xs,,0,1581113833.0,How so?,2020-02-08 00:17:13 +Comment,2,fgsehee,,0,1581110890.0,"No, it isn't",2020-02-07 23:28:10 +Comment,3,fgsb2bx,,0,1581107866.0,Doea that tin-foil hat ever get itchy?,2020-02-07 22:37:46 +Comment,4,fgrwmnn,,0,1581089218.0,"Occam’s razor, my dude. Check it out",2020-02-07 17:26:58 +Comment,1,fgrp58a,,0,1581081748.0,"Is it more likely that Corona and other viruses like SARS, Avian and ZIKA + +are man-made diseases implanted through vaccinations years in advance inadvertantly + +that are triggered when common diseases infect the contaminated cells? + +_ can blind faith in medical practices and practioners be our ultimate demise.",2020-02-07 15:22:28 +Comment,1,fgjnao8,,0,1580876353.0,https://thehighwire.com/,2020-02-05 06:19:13 +Comment,1,fgjn3kg,,0,1580876238.0,"Grab some books or research on DuckDuckGo. Google Firefox and Amazon block pro choice stuff so yeah. Dont use those search engines or order stuff online. + +Duckduckgo.com is probably the best way to find reliable info. + + +https://thehighwire.com/ + +Good link for modern non biased news :)) + +Edit: yeah aluminum is harmful for your body. The show covers it as-well.",2020-02-05 06:17:18 +Comment,1,fgf032j,,0,1580746134.0,Because there are.,2020-02-03 18:08:54 +Comment,1,fgedqzu,,0,1580726016.0,You are being ironic...right?,2020-02-03 12:33:36 +Comment,1,fgedhy1,,0,1580725856.0,"Because it spreads misinformation, swaying potentially weak minds.",2020-02-03 12:30:56 +Comment,1,fgecwkd,,0,1580725470.0,This is a coincidence.,2020-02-03 12:24:30 +Comment,1,fgecs3h,,0,1580725391.0,Why would you do this?,2020-02-03 12:23:11 +Comment,1,fgecocm,,0,1580725325.0,She is wrong,2020-02-03 12:22:05 +Comment,1,fge3cjk,,0,1580719211.0,"Unsure tbh, I don’t know anything else than what I linked in my above post, sorry.",2020-02-03 10:40:11 +Comment,2,fge39u6,,0,1580719164.0,Do the particles of aluminum cross the blood brain barrier?,2020-02-03 10:39:24 +Comment,1,fg6ux9y,,0,1580606250.0,"I totally agree, and it is much harder to detox heavy metals once it is in the lymph nodes.",2020-02-02 03:17:30 +Comment,1,fg5tzh0,,0,1580567618.0,"A ""boosted"" immune system is what would be called an autoimmune disorder and is not a good thing. Vaccines provide the building blocks for your immune system to properly fight off a virus when it comes into contact with one. It allows your body to make antibodies to these diseases. Generally, without being vaccinated, your body has to have time to make these cell mediated responses and fight off the infection, then it's stored in your immune systems memory. Vaccines allow you to create this memory without contracting the actual disease. Some of the things we vaccinate for don't have a good prognosis either, like tetanus or polio.",2020-02-01 16:33:38 +Comment,1,fg42hh5,,0,1580523579.0,"It is quite common for scientists to grow and use human tissues in medical research. The [HeLa cell line](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa) due to the controversy surrounding the family's lack of compensation. These cells were harvested from the cervical cancer of a woman names Henrietta Lacks, and have been propagated in labs around the world since (some labs are making profits growing and selling them to other labs). They are extensively used in cancer research, so overall a good thing to have, but does the family of Ms. Lacks deserve a cut of this profit? + +Anyway, two other cell lines (both from aborted fetuses from the 1960s) are commonly used in vaccine research and development. + +So the answer is, kind of. They aren't buying fetuses from Planned Parenthood and grinding them up to add to the vaccine. But some vaccines were developed using these cell lines. Note that many drugs also make use of such cell lines, it'd be very hard to avoid them all. Cell lines like these are one of the foundations of modern medical research.",2020-02-01 04:19:39 +Comment,1,fg40ao1,,0,1580522261.0,"No, there are no aborted fetal cells in vaccines. +> The production of a few vaccines, including those for varicella, rubella, and hepatitis A, involves growing the viruses in human cell culture. Two human cell lines provide the cell cultures needed for producing vaccines; these lines were developed from two legally aborted fetuses in the 1960s. These cell lines are maintained to have an indefinite life span. No fetal tissue has been added since the cell lines were originally created. +Some parents are concerned about this issue because of misinformation they have encountered on the Internet. Two such untrue statements are that ongoing abortions are needed to manufacture vaccines and vaccines are contaminated with fetal tissue. + +https://www.immunize.org/askexperts/vaccine-safety.asp + +The cell lines came from abortions due to congenital rubella syndrome resulting from a 1964 rubella epidemic. +https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/503157 +The vaccines that were developed because of these two cell lines have prevented an estimated 10+ million deaths. +The rubella vaccine prevented over 633,000 miscarriages in the U.S. alone, and countless more across the globe, and it has prevented tens of millions of clinical health issues in children. +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5689800/",2020-02-01 03:57:41 +Comment,-1,fg3u16g,,0,1580518459.0,"Aborted fetuses used in vaccines and vaccine development + +https://youtu.be/bvBszdGBOxM +Stanley plotkins admits 76 fetuses used in vaccine development + +Human diploid cells +https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf + +Summary of human aborted fetus cell lines +http://journeyboost.com/2018/07/31/are-aborted-baby-parts-in-vaccines/ + +Religious objections +https://immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm + +Dr. Deisher on informed consent with human dna in vaccines and drugs +https://bioethicsarchive.georgetown.edu/pcbe/transcripts/sept08/deisher_statement.pdf + +https://youtu.be/ZsCAUKUTb20 + +Dr. Theresa Deisher finds correlation between human fetal DNA in vaccines and Autism. +https://www.soundchoice.org/scpiJournalPubHealthEpidem092014.pdf “ Broadening changes in diagnostic criteria for ASD complicate interpretation of the current epidemic. Therefore, we focused on autistic disorder (previously called infantile autism), the most severe form of ASD, which has relatively constant diagnostic criteria over the past 5 decades”",2020-02-01 02:54:19 +Comment,2,fg3px5o,,0,1580515932.0,Cell lines.,2020-02-01 02:12:12 +Comment,3,fg37klk,,0,1580502218.0,She's very wrong,2020-01-31 22:23:38 +Comment,5,fg1oi75,,0,1580459642.0,"Wikipedia isn't the best source, but this is a good explanation of the issue [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use\_of\_fetal\_tissue\_in\_vaccine\_development](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development)",2020-01-31 10:34:02 +Comment,2,ffy1i32,,0,1580365506.0,What on earth are you talking about?,2020-01-30 08:25:06 +Comment,2,ffwoymt,,0,1580336228.0,"“Aluminum-containing adjuvants are vaccine ingredients that have been used in vaccines since the 1930s. Small amounts of aluminum are added to help the body build stronger immunity against the germ in the vaccine. Aluminum is one of the most common metals found in nature and is present in air, food, and water.” +Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html + +Hope this gives some clarification, doesn’t cause any negative effects in the body so long as it’s in small quantities.",2020-01-30 00:17:08 +Comment,9,ffuvxpe,,0,1580279156.0,"I mean, it literally says 100 mcg/LITRE! But I guess lots of people don't know much a litre means? Or how much 100 mcg means? + +Anyway, definitely reminds of this ridiculous thing antivaxxers misread. https://i.imgur.com/filMloR.jpg",2020-01-29 08:25:56 +Comment,2,ffuqoka,,0,1580276292.0,"This does still show that far more aluminum is absorbed when it is injected compared to when ingested, so the comparison to food still don't work + +The thing I find odd about this is that aluminum in the lymph is a common antivax talking point, which this seems to confirm",2020-01-29 07:38:12 +Comment,1,ffukn0i,,0,1580272756.0,"While [shedding](http://vaxopedia.org/2016/09/17/shedding-and-vaccines/) is real for some [live vaccines](http://vaxopedia.org/2016/08/31/live-vaccines/), like oral polio and rotavirus, it is rarely a problem.",2020-01-29 06:39:16 +Comment,1,ffujsa7,,0,1580272239.0,"This guy is kidding me, when they take pregnant woman’s blood for tests, they would usually check for hepatitis B. YIKES.",2020-01-29 06:30:39 +Comment,1,ffpugh0,,0,1580134951.0,You have yet to respond. Are you conceding and admitting I’m right?,2020-01-27 16:22:31 +Comment,2,ffjp4oa,,0,1580032243.0,"1. Freedom of* +2. How does looking up the freedom of information act (A bill passed in 1966 btw) bring up the supposed amount they owe?",2020-01-26 11:50:43 +Comment,1,ffj0725,,0,1580015879.0,">READ THE PAPER  + +You ask us to read the paper but don't provide a link. This is worthless.",2020-01-26 07:17:59 +Comment,1,ffhga5k,,0,1579962777.0,The fact that that number fluctuates so vastly from antivaxxer to antivaxxer is pretty telling of its veracity,2020-01-25 16:32:57 +Comment,3,ffhfxx7,,0,1579962380.0,"Generally, no vaccines don’t help you build overall immune health. If you count helping build general immunity to different strains of a single virus then yes, but other than that not really.",2020-01-25 16:26:20 +Comment,2,ffbcpfw,,0,1579788642.0,When I was pregnant and got bloodwork done they tested for everything including Hep B. What kind of doctor is this?,2020-01-23 16:10:42 +Comment,1,ffb9yyi,,0,1579785556.0,Fuk you are daft! I'm done. I cant argue with a complete moron and feel ok with it. Do everyone a favour and do something with your life that doesn't involve big words or sharp knives. You can still do some good! Just dont procreate.,2020-01-23 15:19:16 +Comment,1,ffb6kmj,,0,1579781956.0,"There was never a vaccine for the plague so wtf are you talking about? No one died in the north american outbreak of measles. As for other places (like third world countries) I'm gonna let you try and figure it out for yourself, genius. Why DO so many die in third world countries as opposed to first world countries? Come on, I know you can do it.",2020-01-23 14:19:16 +Comment,1,ff95x44,,0,1579734401.0,What plague? Are you talking about the measles outbreak? The outbreak of the 'common childhood illness' where no one died and people used to laugh about on tv before large corporations had you believe it was the coming demise of the human race? And how would you know about adverse effects? At the WHO vaccine convention in December it was presented that there is almost no information tracked as to long term adverse effects for any vaccines. Yes they're great for saying it causes a sore arm but if its longer than the monitoring period (for example the hep b shot is monitored for 4DAYS) they won't even consider it. Why are you ok with this?,2020-01-23 01:06:41 +Comment,1,ff91qj4,,0,1579731471.0,Everybody knows they're a health risk you twit. They've been declared unavoidably unsafe by the supreme court. It's a matter of determining what the health risks are.,2020-01-23 00:17:51 +Comment,1,ff8ehtb,,0,1579703870.0,Oh hun. You're so far stunted regarding the vaccine argument that it's really just too much effort. Go back to bed.,2020-01-22 16:37:50 +Comment,1,ff8bam3,,0,1579700484.0,Oh come on....,2020-01-22 15:41:24 +Comment,1,ff83ghq,,0,1579693773.0,Maybe because their brain is swelling...,2020-01-22 13:49:33 +Comment,1,ff7xsll,,0,1579689699.0,Have you ever seen a 1 year old bashing his head against his crib and screaming for days within a hour of receiving a shot?,2020-01-22 12:41:39 +Comment,2,ff66d0n,,0,1579649012.0,"It's not 'lifesaving medicine'. It is injected into a healthy individual as a preventative measure and as such needs to meet stringent health standards that, as of yet, have not been met.",2020-01-22 01:23:32 +Comment,1,ff4nsqg,,0,1579596917.0,"According to those that studied this very thing concerning misinformation, most of it is not actually misinformation. Presented at the WHO vaccine symposium in December 2019.",2020-01-21 10:55:17 +Comment,2,fe7pdsl,,0,1578946496.0,That guy is and should not be a medical doctor,2020-01-13 22:14:56 +Comment,2,fe750n6,,0,1578938909.0,Probably this user is also an idiot.,2020-01-13 20:08:29 +Comment,2,fe74ye6,,0,1578938884.0,"It does. It's highly infectious, like 0,0004 ml of infected blood can infect you with hep B, while only about 0,01 with HIV if i remember correctly. + +Also, hep B virus is veeeery resistant to usual disinfectants. Lasts even years in dry conditions on surfaces at room temperature. Aaand to top it all, it can give you chronic hepatitis as a kid in 90% cases. Whereas as an adult, in 90% cases you heal.",2020-01-13 20:08:04 +Comment,2,fe6kt10,,0,1578923002.0,What a time to be alive.,2020-01-13 15:43:22 +Comment,5,fe6jh7z,,0,1578921696.0,Just put dr in your handle and you instantly know everything,2020-01-13 15:21:36 +Comment,3,fe6beah,,0,1578914933.0,"> How does the hexavalent vaccine and the insurance system matter? + +Different vaccine, different indications and schedules. Obviously insurance system will affect antenatal care and screenings, which affect the risk/benefit analysis for something like the Hep B vaccine (which, again, is not the same as the vaccine you're mentioning in the UK). It's just a different healthcare system. That there are different immunization schedules isn't particularly surprising or even necessarily meaningful. + +>Aren't babies particularly sensitive when they are first borne? + +The vaccine is tolerated fine, so I dunno what else this would imply that's worth addressing. + +>I was thinking that it makes more sense not to give unneeded vaccines or medications on the first day of life just to improve compliance + +It's not ""unneeded"" on day 1 any more than day 60 or day 600. You derive more benefit from earlier vaccination by definition. It also improves compliance because you already have started the schedule, informed the parents, and can test the mother. + +>although if there are testing errors I can understand this + +That and screening insufficiencies, etc. + +>Why are you always so hostile? + +Why are you always quick to make sweeping and uninformed judgments? I've just got no patience for such nonsense, and if you have any intellectual honesty then you'll grit your teeth, take the lumps where you've earned them, and be better for it. + +You might benefit from reading about this: + +https://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2130.pdf",2020-01-13 13:28:53 +Comment,7,fe61fok,,0,1578908442.0,There’s other ways to get Hep B than from the mother. Kids bite each other all the time in preschool.,2020-01-13 11:40:42 +Comment,4,fe60xiz,,0,1578908119.0,"I like this, very mature. I’ll do my best.",2020-01-13 11:35:19 +Comment,6,fe5vro4,,0,1578904839.0,"Pulling a line from The OC, “Great idea, I’ll think about that!” (I’m paraphrasing, but essentially the character was using this line as a push off technique to get out of further conversation without starting an argument that isn’t worth your time and energy.)",2020-01-13 10:40:39 +Comment,8,fe5fvum,,0,1578897732.0,"> Honestly it is wired that they are giving this vaccine on day 1 + +To belabor the point that this is a pretty vapid comment: + +>>Universal HepB vaccination of all infants beginning at birth provides a critical safeguard and prevents infection among infants born to HBsAg-positive mothers not identified prenatally (e.g., in situations where the mother was not tested or when testing, interpretation, or transcription errors occurred). + +>>Approximately 88% of commercially insured women and 84% of Medicaid-enrolled women are tested for HBsAg during pregnancy (27). In one study of a large health system in northern California, 93% of HBsAg-positive pregnant women were tested for HBV DNA (28). Most (94.9%) infants born to infected women receive recommended prophylaxis within 12 hours of birth (29). + +>>Universal HepB vaccine birth dose coverage, defined as 1 dose of vaccine administered by 3 days of life, is 71.1% (30), an increase from 50.1% during 2003–2005 prior to revised ACIP recommendations for the birth dose before hospital discharge (31), but below the Healthy People 2020 target of 85% (32). + +So we have [three good reasons](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/rr/rr6701a1.htm). First, through failure to identify Hep B positive mothers through two different mechanisms, and for compliance reasons (the baby *is* right there, after all). + +Now the UK does it differently. They have both a different healthcare/insurance system, and they also use a hexavalent vaccine rather than monovalent Hep B vaccines. That's two levels of incongruent comparisons, and no particular substantive reason to delay other than if you support lower compliance rates and increased testing failure risks. + +But, hey, glad you see no issue with it.",2020-01-13 08:42:12 +Comment,3,fe5djx4,,0,1578896908.0,"> Honestly it is wired that they are giving this vaccine on day 1 + +No it's not. + +>and I see no reason to give it at birth + +Noted, but this isn't a reason to delay it from birth. + +There's no substance in this comment.",2020-01-13 08:28:28 +Comment,5,fe599uq,,0,1578895561.0,Why would you thank someone for being an idiot?,2020-01-13 08:06:01 +Comment,3,fe51tql,,0,1578893727.0,"My understanding is that hep b spreads pretty easily and is “silent,” meaning most people who have it won’t realize until years later. Because of this, the idea is that we should provide protection as soon as possible. I am just sick of all the anti vax stuff she sends, regardless of what vaccine it’s about or which “doctor” is saying it.",2020-01-13 07:35:27 +Comment,-1,fe5134y,,0,1578893461.0,Tell her thank you,2020-01-13 07:31:01 +Comment,1,fe1fb85,,0,1578854719.0,"Well, I'm convinced. + +Joining the pro-disease army today.",2020-01-12 20:45:19 +Comment,1,fe0bmy8,,0,1578837670.0,Lel next post,2020-01-12 16:01:10 +Comment,3,fdxkc9o,,0,1578798438.0,"D- effort, dude. I've seen better trolling by toddlers.",2020-01-12 05:07:18 +Comment,3,fdwkft9,,0,1578788442.0,You're being way too obvious,2020-01-12 02:20:42 +Comment,2,fdva5en,,0,1578774037.0,Have you heard that bleach and cyanide works better? If you drink it then the positive energy will flow through you if you put one amethyst crystal on your head and one on your kids head,2020-01-11 22:20:37 +Comment,10,fduxjtv,,0,1578769376.0,"I used to be antivax, I have a good idea of how people actually think when they are scared of vaccines, but this just sounds insane and incoherent, you are trolling",2020-01-11 21:02:56 +Comment,-11,fdux549,,0,1578769159.0,well i DO. you disrespectful sheep. the natural scent lures out impurities in the mind and it’s our diseases! the crystals then kill these diseases on the outside,2020-01-11 20:59:19 +Comment,11,fduwh1d,,0,1578768812.0,"Obvious troll, antivaxers don't use essential oils to cure autism",2020-01-11 20:53:32 +Comment,2,fdoeoiu,,0,1578632511.0,Gotcha. I think I started to watch it one night but I fell asleep.,2020-01-10 07:01:51 +Comment,1,fdoelqi,,0,1578632473.0,Breaking Bad,2020-01-10 07:01:13 +Comment,2,fdoecs9,,0,1578632353.0,"You mean that's not you in the pic? Well I'll be a son-of-a-bitch. I was going to compliment your shirt and ask where you got it. + +I am jk can't remember which movie",2020-01-10 06:59:13 +Comment,1,fdod2kv,,0,1578631744.0,"I think in this Sunreddit fortunately we are safe. Outside of this group I'd be concerned. + +It's not my meme unfortunately, found it on FB.",2020-01-10 06:49:04 +Comment,1,fdocovt,,0,1578631560.0,"If that was what was on her mind, she would not be bare handing it and she most definitely would not be holding the freaking syringe in her mouth. Honestly, I'm not anti-vaxx. What worries me is uneducated people seeing this crap storm meme.",2020-01-10 06:46:00 +Comment,3,fdo9mgo,,0,1578630071.0,#SafetyFirst,2020-01-10 06:21:11 +Comment,3,fdnt1hq,,0,1578621053.0,As far as I know no vaccine requires the use of a tourniquet. Source....I'm a nurse.,2020-01-10 03:50:53 +Comment,1,fdl9wjo,,0,1578548346.0,I hope to god this is supposed to be satire,2020-01-09 07:39:06 +Comment,0,fdkyhj7,,0,1578542567.0,"Honestly, thanks for letting the entire post know what type of person you are, who says *""Vaccines are evil""*.",2020-01-09 06:02:47 +Comment,1,fdi0yi4,,0,1578462589.0,Indeed,2020-01-08 07:49:49 +Comment,1,fde72bd,,0,1578361401.0,Like it seemed to be a big deal but after I asked it was immediately not. Schizophrenia?,2020-01-07 03:43:21 +Comment,1,fdd11qz,,0,1578319384.0,You mean like how literally ANY person would respond to being asked if they're fine when nothing eventful is happening to them?,2020-01-06 16:03:04 +Comment,4,fd73mdk,,0,1578227809.0,Case study of one elderly male with significant risk factors. He would have had to have teetering on the edge of having a stroke for the minor inflammation associated with vaccination to have causal relationship.,2020-01-05 14:36:49 +Comment,3,fd6jkiy,,0,1578220821.0,It can happen. Case study documenting stroke after flu vaccination: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3258725/,2020-01-05 12:40:21 +Comment,1,fd0uio2,,0,1578152737.0,You almost definitely know more about this than me. XD,2020-01-04 17:45:37 +Comment,4,fczcgxb,,0,1578126944.0,"She also claims to have slight schozophrenia but if you asked how she is doing she would say ""fine""",2020-01-04 10:35:44 +Comment,10,fczcdvl,,0,1578126894.0,Yeah it's called a coincidence. Are they ok though?,2020-01-04 10:34:54 +Comment,1,fcz9z5x,,0,1578125469.0,"I don't think there is a particular irreversible point that has been identified but it possible that we would reach such a point, perhaps as early as the late 2020's, but this is not yet clear and we could have more time. What is clear is that we need to invest in new technology to generate power without CO2 emissions, and we need to do it now, but extinction of humans is in no way definitive, and talking about human extinction is a distraction from the very real problems climate change is causing and will continue to cause",2020-01-04 10:11:09 +Comment,1,fcz9gpc,,0,1578125166.0,Welp I'm screwed. That's true though. I think it's saying climate change may be irreversible by 2030 and it can also lead to extinction.,2020-01-04 10:06:06 +Comment,2,fcz994o,,0,1578125042.0,"Climate change is a major problem, but extinction by 2030 is totally unrealistic and not what scientists are saying, this meme is actually counterproductive by contributing to the narrative that concerns about climate are all just alarmism + +Crossposted to r/badscience",2020-01-04 10:04:02 +Comment,1,fcy1n31,,0,1578102281.0,Weirdo.,2020-01-04 03:44:41 +Comment,1,fcxzz6w,,0,1578101545.0,Oh yes it is,2020-01-04 03:32:25 +Comment,1,fcx63cz,,0,1578081572.0,It wasn't a compliment.,2020-01-03 21:59:32 +Comment,1,fcwh6gd,,0,1578054320.0,Yes it is thank you. I appreciate the compliment,2020-01-03 14:25:20 +Comment,1,fcwh2q9,,0,1578054241.0,Your name is very fitting.,2020-01-03 14:24:01 +Comment,1,fcvp94h,,0,1578035815.0,Vaccines are evil haha,2020-01-03 09:16:55 +Comment,2,fcvh7f4,,0,1578030821.0,Yes. It obviously is sexist towards men.,2020-01-03 07:53:41 +Comment,1,fcvf1sq,,0,1578029540.0,"The WHO doesn't care about men's health. They promote male genital mutilation in Africa as a quack preventative against HIV and numerous diseases including HPV, yet they want to restrict male access to first world treatment against HPV. They violate the rights of men and boys.",2020-01-03 07:32:20 +Comment,1,fcveid0,,0,1578029222.0,You really think the WHO is that sexist against men that they wouldn't care about men's health?,2020-01-03 07:27:02 +Comment,2,fcveflr,,0,1578029178.0,No they aren't,2020-01-03 07:26:18 +Comment,2,fcvecpq,,0,1578029131.0,The reason is sexism,2020-01-03 07:25:31 +Comment,1,fcvde53,,0,1578028556.0,"That there is only an 11% gender imbalance yet the HWO is advocation a 100% gender imbalance in vaccination. However, there is probably a reason for this based on epidemiology, not sexism",2020-01-03 07:15:56 +Comment,1,fcvd3yv,,0,1578028387.0,What seems odd?,2020-01-03 07:13:07 +Comment,1,fcvasad,,0,1578027006.0,That does seem odd,2020-01-03 06:50:06 +Comment,1,fcvancg,,0,1578026924.0,But girls are at greater risk,2020-01-03 06:48:44 +Comment,1,fcv7643,,0,1578024851.0,">Also, if girls are vaccinated this will help to protect they boys that have sex with the girls + +If boys are vaccinated this will help to protect the girls that have sex with the boys",2020-01-03 06:14:11 +Comment,3,fcv6xro,,0,1578024712.0,"[https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/race.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/race.htm) + +An 11% gender imbalance. + +That's not a clause to restrict all the vaccines to girls first.",2020-01-03 06:11:52 +Comment,1,fcv5nuu,,0,1578023957.0,">Boys are just as human and deserving of disease preventing treatment as girls. + +No one disputes this, the WHO don't want to vaccinate boys, because girls are at higher risk from HPV, and there isn't enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone, rationing a limited supply by only giving it to those who need it most is not dehumanizing anyone, it's just good public health policy + +Also, if girls are vaccinated this will help to protect they boys that have sex with the girls",2020-01-03 05:59:17 +Comment,3,fcu0160,,0,1577996534.0,It's YOUR petition! Lol.,2020-01-02 22:22:14 +Comment,4,fctzz6b,,0,1577996469.0,"Sign this petition, everyone! Boys are just as human and deserving of disease preventing treatment as girls.",2020-01-02 22:21:09 +Comment,1,fcletfo,,0,1577774944.0,Oh f*** off.,2019-12-31 08:49:04 +Comment,0,fcl77b7,,0,1577770095.0,"of course he had to be brave, he’s getting diseases that will harm him injected into his body. Disgraceful. 😔😭",2019-12-31 07:28:15 +Comment,2,fcgfsgl,,0,1577668300.0,Wheres all your info to back any of this up? Seems like you're just pulling numbers out of your ass tbh,2019-12-30 03:11:40 +Comment,1,fc6i7dt,,0,1577509974.0,">I didn''t mean that industry funded studies are entirely useless + +That is effectively what you said though + +>but way too many people think conflicts of interest don't matter in vaccine research + +You might feel that way but that's not a fallacy. You need to adjust your wording to get to that more tenable position. + +Probably a good idea to update the citations too with the original paper since it's an interesting read on its own and worth highlighting",2019-12-28 07:12:54 +Comment,1,fc6fbmr,,0,1577508027.0,"I didn''t mean that industry funded studies are entirely useless, but way too many people think conflicts of interest don't matter in vaccine research",2019-12-28 06:40:27 +Comment,3,fc5csk7,,0,1577482372.0,">Claiming that industry-funded studies aren't biased. This is simply not true https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20614424. When citing studies, make sure they don't have major conflicts of interest ***IMPORTANT*** This is NOT the most up to date evidence of the flu vaccine's effectiveness, I only cited this as a source for the fact that industry-funded studies are biased. Here are more up to date reviews: + +This isn't remotely in line with FDA approval standards. I also don't see how the Cochrane review in any way justifies your opinion here unless you misunderstand what 'bias' is meant in these reviews. + +Edit: So I missed what you're likely referring to with this link, the warning at the bottom of this (and only this) Cochrane review. This review itself has no particular issue with or statement against industry funded studies and, of course, included many. The actual study you're trying to refer to is [this one](https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.b354) by another study author on these Cochrane reviews you've cited. Notably these reviews are in line with reported influenza vaccine efficacy which is common, that being ~45%. + +I've taken one example from the 2009 review you have meant to cite as an example (see Wongsurakiat 2004 in Table 2): + +>>Study was conducted over one year. Conclusions support recommendation of annual vaccination (one dose is sufficient in adults, as strong response has been observed). Authors note that vaccine effectiveness has been shown, even if it was possibly administered too late (in region where study was carried out peak incidence of influenza occurs usually in May). + +All totally in line with their results. They have strong evidence of an effect even with a later administration. Seasonal homogeneity isn't uncommon, so this is a bizarre complaint against strong statistical results and completely 'concordant' summary in the conclusion. In fact, the delayed administration of the first dose still being effective is totally in line with rapid waning of influenza vaccine efficacy. Plus the patients had a second booster dose which is not normally recommended for adults, further maintaining higher titer levels into the next season. On a cynical reading, one might think that patients sick in May were included even though vaccination began in June. In reality, given the study was conducted for a full calendar year which simply rolled over a month after 'normal peak' season, this means that vaccination began in June of 1997, included May 1998 (peak season) and went through October 1998. + +>>Comment: though authors state that effectiveness is shown for influenza related ARI only, and not influenza, they recommend vaccination for patients with COPD. + +Because it demonstrated statistically significant reduction for influenza related ARI or, as referred to in the study, ILI. + +>>This means recommending vaccine though it is not effective against influenza and acute exacerbations. + +Misleading or incorrect wording. The Cochrane authors are distinguishing ILI and laboratory confirmed influenza virus infection (causing the pathology 'influenza'). As the original authors state, viral propagation from infection was only possible in 10% of those patients with ILI presentation. The paper does *not* demonstrate a *lack* of efficacy, but only *fails* to demonstrate *presence* of efficacy for lab confirmed influenza. Yet considering the serology confirmed increase in antibody titer, strong reduction in ILI, and lack of effect against non-influenza ARI, this is a terrible mischaracterization of the study and its conclusions. Usually there is no ability to distinguish between flu-ARI and non-flu-ARI. However in this case other viral agents were confirmed, giving much higher confidence in proper ILI designation. + +>>In addition, lack of comment on community viral circulation and vaccine content and matching make verification of effectiveness against ARI impossible. + +I have no idea what the Cochrane authors are saying here. Wongsurakiat et al *do* comment on circulating virus among the community, *do* comment on vaccine content, and *do* make a matching verification. The predominantly circulating type A flu was H3N2 at the time, of which the vaccine component was stated to be on target, and of which the majority of confirmed flu in the study was confirmed to be type A. moreover, they confirm specific titer increases for the study subjects in line with well-known protective level thresholds. And, finally, the authors *don't* suggest the vaccine has effect against ARI--that is to say all acute respiratory infections--and instead say it is true for *only* influenza-ARI. + +This being a prime example in their table of discordance...I'm extremely disappointed. The Cochrane authors seem to dispute the sensitive nature of COPD patients to airway exacerbations and wholly ignore this supreme risk factor which any responsible clinician must weigh (risk) against perceived benefit of the vaccine (reward). See this excerpt: + +>>All the unvaccinated patients with moderate-to-severe +COPD who were hospitalized because of influenzarelated ARI required mechanical ventilation. One of +these patients with severe COPD died because of +ventilator-associated pneumonia. In contrast, none +of the vaccinated patients required mechanical ventilatory support because of ARI related to influenza +virus infection. + +Now, these results might not be statistically significant, but they aren't evidence of it being ""not effective against influenza and acute exacerbations"" like the Cochrane authors state. Are the Cochrane authors *really* disputing the idea that influenza vaccination proved effective against ILI? Or are they just harping on the lack of distinction between ILI and lab-confirmed influenza? Because one of those questions has an obvious and practical answer for clinicians, and the other is an academic or philosophical exercise. I'm either missing something big, or this is a huge oversight on the part of the Cochrane authors. Cochrane authors are humans the same as all the other study authors. To conclude that industry funded studies are completely unreliable is not 'concordant' with the Cochrane authors themselves.",2019-12-27 23:32:52 +Comment,1,fc3n34r,,0,1577422450.0,Clearly reply back.,2019-12-27 06:54:10 +Comment,0,fc2do3s,,0,1577382923.0,Yes 'cause the fact that opposing opinions from a site such as this REALLY impacts my life. Oh my. Whatever shall I do?,2019-12-26 19:55:23 +Comment,1,fbyhrrk,,0,1577246017.0,That negative comment karma must feel good huh,2019-12-25 05:53:37 +Comment,1,fby6tz3,,0,1577238305.0,I guess you can just put fake facts on a billboard any time you want? Isn't there quality control or something? I would be interested to see a study of how extremely you can advertise lies....,2019-12-25 03:45:05 +Comment,2,fby6orx,,0,1577238205.0,ok done,2019-12-25 03:43:25 +Comment,1,fby2l99,,0,1577235367.0,Oh whoops,2019-12-25 02:56:07 +Comment,-2,fby17er,,0,1577234424.0,No sense in sticking your head in the sand about the way the world is working. We would be wise to make sure our health is not compromised by those who dont give a toss about us.,2019-12-25 02:40:24 +Comment,1,fbxgawu,,0,1577214757.0,Antivaxxers lying! Who would have guessed?!,2019-12-24 21:12:37 +Comment,0,fbxaovb,,0,1577206117.0,You sound like an escaped antivaxxer who snuck onto the wrong thread.,2019-12-24 18:48:37 +Comment,3,fbx9hig,,0,1577204358.0,"Also the numbers are bullshit. The vaccine schedule is [here](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html). Even just naively counting up everthing (though certain doses and vaccines are not for everyone) and assuming a flu shot every year the grand total doses by age 18 still falls short of 60, let alone 72.",2019-12-24 18:19:18 +Comment,2,fbx4hna,,0,1577197796.0,"The pacific northwest outbreak didn't cause any deaths, [https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html](https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html) you should edit your post to say cases, not deaths",2019-12-24 16:29:56 +Comment,2,fbx4b60,,0,1577197586.0,Pacific Northwest,2019-12-24 16:26:26 +Comment,2,fbx3we9,,0,1577197114.0,"Northwest of what? + +EDIT: The pacific northwest outbreak didn't cause any deaths, [https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html](https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-declare-measles-outbreak-pacific-northwest.html)",2019-12-24 16:18:34 +Comment,-4,fbwzf7o,,0,1577192596.0,"That would have to be debated. For example the dpt shot given in in Africa(?) had the result of 10x as many deaths due to, apparently, immune dysfunction. That is for every one they saved with the shot, 10 succumbed to other opportunistic infections. So it would appear for that population the vaccine didnt save lives. It's dangerous to raise a pharmaceutical product to godlike reverence and ignore (or deny) the existence of the problems that arise as a result of that product. It's REALLY important to acknowledge and track problems that arise over time (needing a 3rd mmr shot, mutating viruses, waning (apparent) effectiveness and be ble to debate it with facts as they are. That doesnt happen in this industry or with the institutions we have trusted to oversee the industry. Stop arguing about the feckin science and make sure old fashioned GREED and FRAUD is not contributing to the downfall of our health and peace of mind.",2019-12-24 15:03:16 +Comment,0,fbwiihb,,0,1577179621.0,"Dude if it's bigger you want it in front of it not behind. + +It's not a problem if nobody sees it. ;)",2019-12-24 11:27:01 +Comment,5,fbwifye,,0,1577179569.0,"See claims like this annoy me, same with autism rates. + +Could it be better access to healthcare meaning more people get treatment? +Could it be advances in medical sciences leading to better diagnosis rates? +Could it even be that these stats are just entirely made up out of their arses? + +Nope. Course not. Vaccines!",2019-12-24 11:26:09 +Comment,3,fbwglaf,,0,1577178174.0,Should be amended to include all the measles cases here in the Pacific Northwest,2019-12-24 11:02:54 +Comment,3,fbweqvv,,0,1577176789.0,Rent out an even bigger billboard directly after it that says vaccines save lives. Only solution.,2019-12-24 10:39:49 +Comment,2,fb7msed,,0,1576623189.0,Unbelievable. We should really be careful.,2019-12-18 00:53:09 +Comment,1,faxqd1d,,0,1576416724.0,"So do I. Yet we have different conclusions. + +You forcing your assumptions on me and my family “for the greater good” is a fascist and extremely dangerous mentality. + +If vaccines are safe then prove it. Because the science shows they aren’t safe or effective. Its only propaganda. + +Vaccine manufacturers should have the same judicial oversight on vaccines or “biologics” as drugs. + +There should be double blind placebo testing on vaccines, same as drugs. + +Compare the health of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. + +The best thing that has happened for the “greater good” has been the freedom of speech. Especially the freedom to speak against tyranny. There is never a topic great enough to promote giving up that right. + +Absolute power corrupts absolutely.",2019-12-15 15:32:04 +Comment,1,fatvb1a,,0,1576370704.0,"I don't, I read papers and go through the methods and analysis myself",2019-12-15 02:45:04 +Comment,2,fatu499,,0,1576370431.0,"Yes, have you? + +If the topic is censored how can you do anything else but blindly follow the dogma dictated to you?",2019-12-15 02:40:31 +Comment,2,fatst1h,,0,1576370086.0,Have you thought that blindly following an ideology without nuance regardless of consequences might not be a good thing?,2019-12-15 02:34:46 +Comment,0,fasyoeu,,0,1576361744.0,"No it’s the “doing what’s best to protect your individual rights from an overreaching government” in this case that’s lying about the profit driven industry of vaccines. + +Don’t confuse “doing what’s right” with “doing what you believe is right” because that’s relative to your knowledge and understanding of the issues. According to a large body of research, scientists, doctors and even the vaccine manufacturers and US supreme government vaccines are very dangerous. And in my opinion doing what’s right would involve radically changing the vaccine schedule if not abolishing all together.",2019-12-15 00:15:44 +Comment,4,faqwigg,,0,1576337974.0,"Ah yes, the old ""doing what's best to make sure people don't die of preventable diseases is the same as Nazism"" argument. Rock solid.",2019-12-14 17:39:34 +Comment,-2,faqmmdu,,0,1576333950.0,"No you teach people logic and critical thinking. Teach people to be honest and respect others. Encourage free thinking and scientific progress. + +Lies and censorship are never the answer. + +Herd immunity does not and cannot exist due to vaccination. +https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/ea6kwr/comment/faoyld9 + +https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccinesCause/comments/dwacb7/the_myth_of_herd_immunity/ + +Pro vaccine choice individuals are the ones calling for more study and scientific progress. It is usually the ones that call for more vaccination that have the hubris to believe the science is settled and we know everything there is to know about the human body and the immune system. + +It is the ones against vaccine choice that have the arrogance to demand everyone follow what they believe regardless of the individuals hurt along the way. The belief that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and that the nation state should be allowed to tell an individual what to inject into their body are fascist ideals. + +Fascism - anti-intellectual, anti-democratic, individual interests are subordinated to the good of the nation, forcibly suppresses opposition and criticism, regiments industry, commerce, etc., emphasizes an aggressive nationalism and often racism. + +AKA taking away an individual’s right to choose what is injected into their body despite numerous side effects and subjecting them to mass experimentation for “the good of the nation” while really just backing the ever growing pharmaceutical industry and suppressing any information that contradicts their interests. + +So even if you don’t agree don’t force your ideals on others. + +The nazis experimented on people. This led to the Nuremberg Trials and Code, detailing the human right for Informed Consent. +https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199711133372006 +Vaccine mandates violate an individual’s rights for informed consent. + +They are experimenting on people with vaccines (ex: from vaccine insert: “vaccines have not been tested for mutagenic or carcinogenic effects on pregnant women” yet we give vaccines to pregnant women anyway. Also, activating maternal immune system has risks to fetus. Yet they persist in their unjustified claims that it provides some benefit.",2019-12-14 16:32:30 +Comment,3,fap5wyz,,0,1576309468.0,"It IS illegal not to wash your hands if you work in food service or other areas where people would be unwittingly exposed to your dirty ass hands. + +Vaccines are for hygiene. Like washing your hands, showering, brushing your teeth. It's meant to keep you healthy, but also to protect the rest of society. + +Like vaccines, indoor plumbing and the regular hygiene that comes with it is one of the many reasons that we don't die of preventable illnesses anymore. + +What you don't get is that vaccinations are meant to protect your health, but also the health of others around you. It is illegal to speed, drive drunk, not wear a seatbelt for the same reason. + +Vaccines have the same safety record as seatbelts. Why shouldn't people be forced to use them just like we're forced to use seatbelts?",2019-12-14 09:44:28 +Comment,5,fap4uuk,,0,1576308709.0,">that's a bit crazy in my opinion. Would your making it illegal to not wash your hands after you go to the toilet? + +It absolutally should be for anyone who interacts with the public (food prep, medical professions... dentists).",2019-12-14 09:31:49 +Comment,2,faolt13,,0,1576296013.0,">You're basically saying i would rather risk a tyrannical government (extremely dangerous) than have the possibility of people going unvaccinated, by allowing anti vaccination information on the internet (mildly dangerous) + +A lot of people are saying this, it is really disturbing that we seem to have forgotten that censorship is destructive to democracy, and think a tyrannical government is OK as long as it agrees with us",2019-12-14 06:00:13 +Comment,4,faolmef,,0,1576295895.0,"I think censorship is generally bad, if a pro-vax sub wants to censor it's not that big a deal, but a whole site censoring any idea is generally not good, and government censorship, especially whey they censor criticism of there own policies (such as vaccination policies), is extremely dangerous",2019-12-14 05:58:15 +Comment,0,faofg73,,0,1576291953.0,"that's a bit crazy in my opinion. Would your making it illegal to not wash your hands after you go to the toilet? What would having unprotected sex, except in certain tightly controlled circumstances when you want to reproduce? That would certainly have a positive impact on STDs. + +You're basically saying i would rather risk a tyrannical government (extremely dangerous) than have the possibility of people going unvaccinated, by allowing anti vaccination information on the internet (mildly dangerous)",2019-12-14 04:52:33 +Comment,6,faof5bx,,0,1576291766.0,"No, I don't give a fuck if you or your kid die from poor health choices. You can go drink bleach for all I care, I'm not going to stop you. + +The problem is that diseases will spread to those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, so you not vaccinating endangers others who did not consent to the risk. + +You can pump your own house full of chlorine gas if you want, just as long as it doesn't leak into the neighbors house. + +I'm absolutely fine with it if you don't want to vaccinate as long as you don't risk other people's health. Don't go out in public or interact with anyone else.",2019-12-14 04:49:26 +Comment,-3,faoeeiu,,0,1576291300.0,well the same goes for talking about vaccines. there's no harm in just listening to it. you can choose to do what you like with your own body.,2019-12-14 04:41:40 +Comment,8,faodw7k,,0,1576290989.0,They aren't dangerous to the spectators. The people playing assume all of the risk by their own choice.,2019-12-14 04:36:29 +Comment,-4,faocxoz,,0,1576290483.0,so should there be a ban on broadcasting extreme sports competitions? they're pretty dangerous you know,2019-12-14 04:28:03 +Comment,9,fao71s4,,0,1576287325.0,"Yes, because it's dangerous. It's it right to censor people advocating blowing themselves up in the name of their God, even if it's bullshit? Yes",2019-12-14 03:35:25 +Comment,1,faifivh,,0,1576135414.0,Ok,2019-12-12 09:23:34 +Comment,1,fagwlzk,,0,1576102195.0,"I'm no one's sweetie, especially a dumb person's one.",2019-12-12 00:09:55 +Comment,0,fagwecm,,0,1576102027.0,And why are you so incapable of having a conversation without becoming insulting? Grow up a little sweetie or f*** off.,2019-12-12 00:07:07 +Comment,0,fagv8jh,,0,1576101089.0,I thought you were going away?,2019-12-11 23:51:29 +Comment,1,fag77wk,,0,1576071186.0,"Oh, where'd you get that statistic? Also, what heavy metals moron? How can i take you seriously if you think aluminium hydroxide is a heavy metal. 😄",2019-12-11 15:33:06 +Comment,1,fafk7ej,,0,1576053626.0,Yes I know,2019-12-11 10:40:26 +Comment,1,fafg9s0,,0,1576050804.0,Bruh dihydrogen monoxide is water,2019-12-11 09:53:24 +Comment,0,fafdcfo,,0,1576048758.0,Seriously? Testing a baby for potential problems is a bad thing? Yet they shoot them with 10x the recommended max for heavy metals on the first day of life? Do they assess any contraindications then? How does this all make me a troll? You haven't answered any of my questions satisfactorily. You've just resorted to childish name calling.,2019-12-11 09:19:18 +Comment,2,fafcax9,,0,1576048060.0,"https://imgur.com/4aZ1hA2 + +>if there are known familial immune issues, why do they not propose a baby be tested for suceptibilities prior to being vaccinated? + +Oh yes, by all means, test a poor baby with an allergy panel for everything. Even strawberries, ok? Too bad there isn't a stupidity test too. You would've gotten an anaphylactic shock! + +>Surely you would agree there's a subset of the population that shouldn't receive them? + +Surely. There's this thing, in the insert, called: contraindications. A thing that your doctor (or any normal, educated doctor), knows about. Now shoo, leave me alone troll.",2019-12-11 09:07:40 +Comment,1,fafbn0x,,0,1576047622.0,"Oh my you are a witty one arent you? I would propose there is a lot they dont know about the immune system, as exemplified by previously ""effective"" vaccines that appear to unexpectedly fail over many years, or immediately. Also, if there are known familial immune issues, why do they not propose a baby be tested for suceptibilities prior to being vaccinated? Would that not make sense? Surely you would agree there's a subset of the population that shouldn't receive them?",2019-12-11 09:00:22 +Comment,1,faf9gkm,,0,1576046227.0,Awww sweetheart! Dont go! Ok go.,2019-12-11 08:37:07 +Comment,2,faf2vsp,,0,1576042186.0,"> ""should"" have immunity for measles and hep b but don't as verified by titer checks required for work. I must be bucking some serious odds in that case. + +yeah, indeed. because the immune system doesn't work like an exact machine. exactly like your brain. sometimes... IT FAILS on working properly.",2019-12-11 07:29:46 +Comment,2,faf2qfq,,0,1576042097.0,All I hear is the same shit copy antivaxx pasta. buh bye,2019-12-11 07:28:17 +Comment,1,faeztrs,,0,1576040361.0,"Herd immunity historically refers to the immunity acquired from getting the illness naturally and outbreaks happen a lot in populations with close to 100% vaccination rate. Why ignore this? And it was the shot I had twice actually, my bad grammar. Nice that you have resorted to name calling when you cant convince someone with your argument. I am not ""pro diseaser"" but if you're asking me to trust huge conglomerates that have repeatedly been convicted of lying about their products, have whistleblowers coming forward admitting fraud and you have governing bodies who do not remain at arms length from the industry and have multiple conflicts of interest well...no. Blatant lies? That's rich.",2019-12-11 06:59:21 +Comment,1,faey48f,,0,1576039367.0,"That's not what is portrayed in the media though is it? And surely they have done studies to verify a third dose is safe? Sorry but I know personally many people who ""should"" have immunity for measles and hep b but don't as verified by titer checks required for work. I must be bucking some serious odds in that case.",2019-12-11 06:42:47 +Comment,2,fae84o8,,0,1576024544.0,"No, it is their fault. Because they managed through fear mongering and blatant lies to lower the protection threshold of the herd immunity. If not enough people are vaccinated, the vulnerable ones are at risk! A lower number than 93-95% of the population who got the vaccines, will lead to epidemics or pandemics. + +Oooppss, never mind. I just saw you're a brainkess pro diseaser. Of course you wouldn't understand shit. Go away to your group of 💩 please, mr ""I had measles twice"". Lol",2019-12-11 02:35:44 +Comment,2,fae7vmh,,0,1576024392.0,"It's not happening to everyone. Two doses given in childhood should be enough. But people aren't robots and it's best to prevent! + +It's the same with varicella for example. Theoretically, the disease will give you antibodies for life, yet some people get the infection twice or three times. Medicine is not exact maths.",2019-12-11 02:33:12 +Comment,0,fadwldy,,0,1576017028.0,And then why are you blaming antivaxxers when measles appear again? It is never the fault of a waning vaccine and always because of antivaxxers.,2019-12-11 00:30:28 +Comment,1,fadvl2c,,0,1576016281.0,"That's actually not what they told us. They said the shot would give immunity for life. Again, it appears they weren't aware it would wane",2019-12-11 00:18:01 +Comment,2,fad7smo,,0,1575987407.0,Because immunity the wanes after years of antibodies not being put to use.,2019-12-10 16:16:47 +Comment,1,facrokx,,0,1575974247.0,Hahahahahahaha...not,2019-12-10 12:37:27 +Comment,1,fac4xmg,,0,1575962406.0,Wait there's a debate about vaccines?,2019-12-10 09:20:06 +Comment,1,fac200e,,0,1575961099.0,"If they are proven over and over to be effective, why are they telling adults to get a THIRD shot of MMR?",2019-12-10 08:58:19 +Comment,0,faaa2f4,,0,1575934652.0,"This should be interesting, hope it can be opened minded and rational, without the name calling on both sides and maybe find a middle ground",2019-12-10 01:37:32 +Comment,1,faa614f,,0,1575931907.0,"""Facebook"" + +Ok Boomer",2019-12-10 00:51:47 +Comment,3,fa9uhos,,0,1575921173.0,Why? What's next? A debate over you getting help if you break your legs?,2019-12-09 21:52:53 +Comment,1,f9rn5m5,,0,1575607410.0,"Congress passed a bill 1986 taking away all +Liability from the manufacturer of all +vacccine in cases where vaccines has cause harm to child . There has been over 2 billion in settlements due to vaccines causing illnesses and even deaths, research yourself people , talk to +Many open minded non +Controlled Dr’s that tell +The truth",2019-12-06 06:43:30 +Comment,2,f9qvy1u,,0,1575596523.0,"So it's like the difference between drinking H2O and H2O2. One's fine, one will kill you.",2019-12-06 03:42:03 +Comment,1,f93l5k0,,0,1575090625.0,"""Dear recipient of this letter""",2019-11-30 07:10:25 +Comment,1,f8w7kvv,,0,1574913681.0,Did the person writing this have a stroke? I mean ffs,2019-11-28 06:01:21 +Comment,2,f8v8mk1,,0,1574891782.0,"I've asked 2 pediatricians and the nurse practitioner, all have told me not to worry about it basically. And searching online it seems like the only rare cases I'm finding of vaccine shedding were done through feces. Which I'm the only one who handles diaper duty, not like I take them to visit great great granny at the nursing home and expect her to do it.",2019-11-27 23:56:22 +Comment,3,f8v53bj,,0,1574888567.0,What in the hell....,2019-11-27 23:02:47 +Comment,1,f8urqra,,0,1574869786.0,Yeah. Some cases happened in Europe too. A high number of vaccinated children would lower even more that number.,2019-11-27 17:49:46 +Comment,1,f8ubpff,,0,1574853478.0,"There were a few years back in the 1980s where the *only* cases of polio in the United States were from adults that came into contact with feces from recently-vaccinated children. Single-digit numbers of cases. + +The only reservoir species for polio is humans. It is one disease that could be purged entirely, like smallpox, given sustained effort.",2019-11-27 13:17:58 +Comment,0,f8u9v26,,0,1574852009.0,"All live viruses can be ‘shed’. + +https://www.nvic.org/vaccine-strain-virus-shedding-and-transmission.aspx +“Could my unvaccinated or immune compromised child get sick from coming in contact with a recently vaccinated person? +When it comes to live virus vaccines, the short answer is: Yes. +During a viral infection, live virus is shed in the body fluids of those who are infected for varying amounts of time and can be transmitted to others. 3 4 5 Vaccine strain live virus is also shed for varying amounts of time in the body fluids of vaccinated people and can be transmitted to others. 6 7 8 +Although public health officials maintain that live attenuated virus vaccines rarely cause complications in the vaccinated person and that vaccine strain viral shedding rarely causes disease in close contacts of the recently vaccinated, it is important to be aware that vaccine strain live virus infection can sometimes cause serious complications in vaccinated persons and vaccine strain live viruses can be shed and transmitted to others with serious or even fatal consequences.” + +Vaccinated Man sheds polio for 30 yrs +https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34082627",2019-11-27 12:53:29 +Comment,1,f8trl9l,,0,1574838533.0,it is,2019-11-27 09:08:53 +Comment,2,f8trjt9,,0,1574838508.0,"This is a question for your doctor, and it may depend on the vaccine, smallpox vaccine is the worst for shedding",2019-11-27 09:08:28 +Comment,1,f8tg4au,,0,1574831466.0,I didn't even realize that one is live?,2019-11-27 07:11:06 +Comment,-2,f8te0e6,,0,1574830210.0,Chicken pox vaccine hella does.,2019-11-27 06:50:10 +Comment,5,f8t9uil,,0,1574827716.0,"Some. The oral polio and rotavirus vaccine can shed through fecal matter. But only to about a few days, a week.",2019-11-27 06:08:36 +Comment,1,f8qma6v,,0,1574748781.0,"Ok that makes sense! I never had chicken pox, I’m pretty sure I got vaccinated for it, so I have like a passing knowledge of how it works. Thanks for clearing it up! :)",2019-11-26 08:13:01 +Comment,1,f8qm1q7,,0,1574748679.0,"EDIT: I certainly don't mean avoid your friend in general, just while they are sick + +ignore the people why say ""antivaxers are evil don't be friends with them at all""",2019-11-26 08:11:19 +Comment,1,f8qlvl0,,0,1574748605.0,">just because someone is not showing symptoms does not mean they aren’t carrying the disease. + +According to the CDC once someone recovers from chickenpox they aren't contagious, but they may be contagious before they know they have it + +>I think maybe having chicken pox as a kid makes you more likely to get it but I don’t think you have to have had chicken pox to get it. + +Shingles is an infection with the same virus as chickenpox, and can only happen if you have been exposed to the virus at some point in the past, and are not immune, it is usually a reactivation of the virus decades after chickenpox (no you are not contagious for all those decades) but shingles has been know to occur directly following exposure to the virus, and as a result of the vaccine virus as well",2019-11-26 08:10:05 +Comment,5,f8q75on,,0,1574741972.0,">Why is this mom excited about the chicken pox? + +Probably because chickenpox is more serious for adults than children, and is a virus that can build up long term immunity, so she is hoping that by getting chickenpox now will prevent a more serious case of chickenpox when the kids are older + +>Is it not dangerous? + +Serious complications are not common, 1 in 300-500 chickenpox cases requires hospitalization and 1 in 60,000 results in death [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications) + +>My kids are both fully vaccinated (4 and 2 years old), are they protected? + +No guarantee, the vaccine is not 100% effective, and the second dose isn't given until age 4-6, so it is still best to keep your kids away from sick people until they are no longer sick. According to the CDC a person with chickenpox is no longer contagious 24 hours after that last new spot appears, which shouldn't be more than a week or so after the start of symptoms + +>Arent your risk of getting shingles greatly increased if you have had the chicken pox? + +Yes, it is pretty much impossible to get shingles if you haven't had chickenpox or a chickenpox vaccine + +>I am pregnant but had them as a kid, am i protected? + +This is probably a question for your doctor, but there is no guarantee, and live vaccines such as chickenpox aren't recommended for pregnant women, so avoid exposure to infected people especially while pregnant, as harm to the fetus is possible [https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html#complications) + +>If anti vaxxers get excited that your body builds natural immunity after having the disease, isnt that what vaccines do for your body except your never ""sick""? + +Yes, (well you can still get a little sick) but antivaxers are concerned about combinations of viruses in one vaccine, multiple vaccines at the same them, and chemical additives (although most of the chemical additives of concern are only used for vaccines against things that you can't build up immunity to from catching them)",2019-11-26 06:19:32 +Comment,2,f8q5w5h,,0,1574741410.0,"So I’ll answer this as best I can, I am neither a doctor or an anti-vaxxer so anyone feel free to correct me/add on if I’m wrong: + +The mom is excited about her kids getting chicken pox because basically once you’ve had chicken pox you’re unlikely (or immune, not 100% sure which) to get it again. Before the chicken pox vaccine it was common to try to get your kids exposed to chicken pox young because I believe the older you are the worse it is. So basically she’s trying to prevent her kids from getting it worse by exposing them young. Which would make sense except we have a vaccine so they never have to get it at all. + +The point of vaccines isn’t just to protect you. It protects immunocompromised people who will her can’t get the vaccine, or can but are otherwise at risk of getting sick anyways. Two of my siblings are on immunosuppressants for other conditions they have. Despite being fully vaccinated, they get sick super easy and when they get sick it’s way worse because their immune systems are shot. So, like I said before, before the vaccine it made sense to expose your kids young to head off a worse infection later. Now, however, there’s no need to encourage the spread of a disease that could be dangerous for certain people groups (immunocompromised, elderly, young children, pregnant women, etc.). + +The whole “natural immunity” thing that anti-vaxxers like to tout is not really what they make it sound like. They like to say your body is naturally able to fight off infection/keep you from getting sick. Which is true, to an extent, but when your kid gets chicken pox they don’t have a “natural immunity” to chicken pox. They still got chicken pox. It’s not like your body miraculously protects you from ever getting sick. + +If you are concerned about your own health, I’d talk to your doctor. Since you are pregnant you can get sick easier. My personal, NOT MEDICAL, recommendation would be to stay away from your friend/her kids/her husband/etc until the chicken pox completely clears their house. Again, ask your doctor what they recommend, but I think steering clear is the safest bet here since you DON’T want chicken pox and pregnancy at the same time. That sounds terrible! Also remember that just because someone is not showing symptoms does not mean they aren’t carrying the disease. I’m not 100% sure how chicken pox spreads, so again please please talk to your doctor, but if your friend isn’t sick she may still be able to spread the disease to you. + +As far as shingles goes, I think maybe having chicken pox as a kid makes you more likely to get it but I don’t think you have to have had chicken pox to get it. Again, not 100% sure here so hopefully someone smarter is able to fill this in! + +Hope this helps!",2019-11-26 06:10:10 +Comment,1,f8m1shb,,0,1574656145.0,thanks for anyone that is willing to help! You don’t need to enter any personal details also!,2019-11-25 06:29:05 +Comment,1,f80gmix,,0,1574157372.0,"Wow. You really can’t help but try to be offensive. It’s really quite juvenile behavior. Do you think you can debate like an adult without needless insults? Or giving up and calling for censorship? + +Of course low efficacy doesn’t make them more harmful. But it does change the risk benefit analysis. + +Of course not all ILI are flu. Only about 3% - 9% of suspected flu cases are actually flu. The flu vaccine is less effective because as you admit “strains cannot be matched every single year. Of course that a virus with increased mutagenic shifts will not be matched for the vaccine every year.” So all the ILI are used to promote flu vaccines but vaccines may reduce 10-30% of 3-9% of “flu” cases. And these number are before factoring in primary and secondary vaccine failure and declining efficacy through repeat vaccination... that’s a low benefit. + +Plus you are now exposed to the risks of vaccines. Autoimmune diseases, GBS, etc + +- Is shown that repeated use of Al adjuvants and OVA (chicken egg whites) cause chronic inflammation in the immune system / allergic reactions +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590830/#!po=0.543478 + +“Guillain-Barré syndromeremains the most frequent neurological condition reported after influenza vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) since its inception in 1990. ... Results From July 1990 through June 2003, VAERS received 501 reports of GBS following influenza vaccination in adults.Nov 24, 2004”https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/199859 + +Pregnant women shouldn’t be vaccinated. There being no studies on vaccine safety doesn’t make them any safer. But it does allow officials the ability to claim there is no proof vaccines are harmful... convenient. + +From vaccine insert: “vaccines have not been tested for mutagenic or carcinogenic effects on pregnant women” yet we give vaccines to pregnant women anyway. Also, activating maternal immune system has risks to fetus. Yet they persist in their unjustified claims that it provides some benefit. + +Maternal immune activation http://science.sciencemag.org/content/353/6301/772 & https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24011823/ +Immune activation and autism +http://science.sciencemag.org/content/353/6301/772 + +Thimerasol which is mainly mercury can cross the placenta +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22717874/ + +There is a very limited pharmacokinetic data concerning ethylmercury. There is very limited data on its blood levels. There is no data on its excretion. It is recognized to both cross placenta and the blood-brain barrier. The data on its toxicity, ethylmercury, is sparse. It is primarily recognized as a cause of hypersensitivity. Acutely it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death, from overdose.” +- simpsonwood conference +http://thinktwice.com/simpsonwood.pdf + +Flu vaccine and miscarriages  & misinformation  +https://www.patreon.com/posts/20558343 +And +https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/opinion/sunday/anti-vaccine-activists-have-taken-vaccine-science-hostage.html +And +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28917295/ + +It’s interesting you mention “Spanish Flu” because some actually believe it was the vaccines of the time, exacerbated with aspirin, that caused the deaths. It’s an interesting theory that could explain a lot of the anomalies observed. +http://whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html + +Um, no. What they said was there was a correlation found they just don’t know why the efficacy is lower after repeated vaccination and more study was needed. + +I have smart amazing unvaccinated children. Thank you for asking. + +Vaccine side effects are not rare. They are suppressed. There is a difference. + +Vaccines are labeled “unavoidably unsafe” by the US Supreme Court and were protected from judicial oversight through legal channels (National Child Vaccine Injury Act in 1986), this took away legal channels for discovery and safety review. This happened because so many people said vaccines were injuring their loved ones. + +The population at large is told adverse reactions are rare and not to worry about them. So Drs and patients alike do not know the risks and do not see a connection between their health issues and the vaccines they’ve received. (The majority of vaccine recipients are too young to tell us if they are experiencing side effects). If no one is looking at or tracking the risks then how can you say they’ve got a safe track record. We are not healthier overall and without a definitive cause for the health concerns it is irresponsible to say definitively that vaccines are not the cause. + +Vaccine adverse events 1) compensated in vaccine court: Guillain-Barré syndrome, transverse myelitis, encephalopathy, seizure disorder, death, brachial neuritis, acute disseminated encephalomylites, Chronic inflammatory demyelination, polyradiculoneuropathy (CIPD), premature ovarian failure, Bell’s palsy, juvenile diabetes, idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, infantile spasms, anaphylaxis, ocular myasthenia gravis, hypoxic seizure. + +2) listed on vaccine inserts: Autoimmune diseases, allergies, asthma, eczema, tics, Tourette’s syndrome, ADD / ADHD, autism, speech delay, neurodevelopment disorder, SIDS, narcolepsy. + +When an automated reporting system analyzed data reported over a 3 yr period it found that adverse reactions could be 26:1,000 or approximately 1 in 38. +https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf + +http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/ “A recent study done in Ontario, Canada, established that vaccination actually leads to an emergency room visit for 1 in 168 children following their 12-month vaccination appointment and for 1 in 730 children following their 18-month vaccination appointment (see appendix for a scientific study, Item #5).” + +1 in 640 have a seizure from mmr https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/ + +https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/mmrv/mmrv-febrile-seizures.html +“The rate of seizures in this timeframe was 85 per 1000 person-years in the MMRV vaccine group compared to 42 per 1000 in the MMR and varicella vaccine group. This risk was about 2 times higher in children who received the combination shot (MMRV) versus the single shots (MMR and varicella).” + +“Approximately 40 cases of death and permanent injury from the MMR vaccine are reported to VAERS annually” and only about 1-10% of adverse events are reported. So that could mean approximately 400-4000 deaths or permanent injuries from the mmr vaccine annually. + +“As of March 31, 2018, there have been more than 89,355 reports of measles vaccine reactions, hospitalizations, injuries and deaths following measles vaccinations made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), including 445 related deaths, 6,196 hospitalizations, and 1,657 related disabilities. Over 60% of those adverse events occurred in children three years old and under.” https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/ + +After automating adverse event reports at Harvard Pilgrim, the developers of this system asked the CDC to take the final step of linking VAERS with the Harvard Pilgrim system so that these reports could be automatically transmitted into VAERS. Instead, the CDC refused to cooperate. As the Harvard grant recipients explained: Unfortunately, there was never an opportunity to perform system performance assessments because the necessary CDC contacts were no longer available and the CDC consultants responsible for receiving data were no longer responsive to our multiple requests to proceed with testing and evaluation. After three years and spending $1 million of taxpayers’ money, the CDC refused to even communicate with the HHS’ Harvard Medical School grant recipients. While HHS generally strongly supports automating public health surveillance systems, when it comes to vaccine safety, the CDC has only supported projects that would limit VAERS to passive surveillance. Automation would improve safety and address many of the long-standing issues and limitations raised by CDC regarding VAERS.37 Capturing “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events” thirty years after the passage of the 1986 Act is unacceptable – and potentially deadly. https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/whitepapers/VaccineSafety-Version-1.0-October-2-2017.pdf",2019-11-19 11:56:12 +Comment,2,f7yrmj7,,0,1574128490.0,"Yes, because that's how you do science. smh",2019-11-19 03:54:50 +Comment,1,f7y61y8,,0,1574116261.0,"Lol the flu vaccine doesn't work, ask half the people who take it.",2019-11-19 00:31:01 +Comment,1,f7q302w,,0,1573986872.0,"Autism: +A behavioral diagnosis for static encephalopathy derived from encephalitis, an autoimmune inflammatory response to a trigger that leads to sequelae that affects the overall health of the individual. Vaccines injected are the most invasive triggers. + +The govt may not agree vaccines cause “autism” but it does cause encephalopathy... which causes pervasive developmental delays also known as autism spectrum disorder.... or so says the “vaccine court”. +http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BANKS_CASE.pdf + +Increase not due to better counting / diagnosis +https://health.ucdavis.edu/welcome/features/20090218_autism_environment/ + +https://health.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/10214 +Rising cost of autism + +“Epidemic” of autism +https://safeminds.org/wp-content/uploads/curent-dds-autism-cases.png + +https://stemcellsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/sctm.16-0474 +- study showed ASD symptoms improved after own stem cells injected +- Indicates ASD acquired after birth and storage of cord blood + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5377970/ +Genetic and environmental factors +“Due to the progress of autism in recent decades, a wide range of studies have been done to identify the etiological factors of autism. It has been found that genetic and environmental factors are both involved in autism pathogenesis",2019-11-17 12:34:32 +Comment,3,f7pv4l6,,0,1573983704.0,"Lol, a dumbass who can't even read tells me about the scientific method? Look here, you negative IQ thing, I didn't study medicine on YT. Nor did I ever open a study and said: A HA! There it is, proof to fit my bullshit views. + +Let's take just 2 examples out of your copy pasta from your pro disease friends. + +>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22895945/ + +The metaanalysis puts all flu and ILI in one pot, so it's irrelevant. Not all ILI are flu and not all flu are deadly. It doesn't mean + +1: **AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS: Influenza vaccines are efficacious in preventing cases of influenza in children older than two years of age, but little evidence is available for children younger than two years of age.** + + +No studies on this, doesn't make it less efficient. + +2: **There was a difference between vaccine efficacy and effectiveness, partly due to differing datasets, settings and viral circulation patterns.** + +Oh no, who would've thought, you moron, that strains cannot be matched every single year. Of course that a virus with increased mutagenic shifts will not be matched for the vaccine every year. Nobody claimed anything different. That doesn't make the vaccine itself harmful. What the fuck are you on about? Are you doing meth? + +As a former epidemiologist, I'm ashamed to read Jefferson T's ""review"" about the influenza vaccine. He uses SO FUCKING MANY fallacies. He doesn't take into account even the morbidity or mortality of the flu and claims that not even pregnant women should be vaccinated, because the less you do medical acts on them, the better. That's outrageous and bizarre as fuck. Do we live in 2019 or 1900? + +Do you even fucking know how flu pandemics wiped millions of people in 1919? Just look up Spanish flu. + +I'm sure those people would rather get a low antibody count from a vaccine, than fucking none. 40% less deaths is better than what happened then. + +https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/one-flu-into-the-cuckoos-nest/ + +Read some more about how much of an imbecile JT is. You should feel as stupid as this guy is. + + +>https://marshfieldresearch.org/News/clinic-researchers-study-finds-prior-flu-season-vaccines-may-provide-residual-protection + +You said that the flu shot is less and less efficient if you get it every year. + +Again, your reading comprehension is out of this world. And that's not good. Cause you don't seem to be having a human brain. + +They said: + +""Researchers found adults had similar levels of protection if they received the flu vaccine in the current season, the previous season or both seasons. They also found that vaccine effectiveness was 27-41 percent higher for adults who were vaccinated for the first time in the past five years, compared to those who got the vaccine almost every year. She said reasons for the increase in effectiveness is not yet clear and more research is needed to understand how repeated flu vaccination affects the immune system."" + +You know what that means, mister scientific method? That means THAT NO CORRELATION WAS FOUND. + +SO WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING HARD PROOF, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE? + + +I really hope you don't reproduce and just so you know, logical fallacies don't confirm your bullshit. Yes, science evolves. But vaccines are proof that science also works and it's better to prevent, unlike your claims that drs don't want that, than to treat. Or bury your patients. + +>AKA taking away an individual’s right to choose what is injected into their body despite numerous side effects + +Side effects from inactivated vaccines are mild and rarely occurring. I guess you'd like to see people suffering from a disease instead of admitting that your lack of chemistry and physiology knowledge is null. Like your smooth brain. + + +Fucking imbecile, next time you wanna copy paste shit to bother people with it, go into an infectious diseases ward and visit some intubated patients who are likely to die because of the flu. + + +/u/atheistbastard, get this troll outta here please.",2019-11-17 11:41:44 +Comment,0,f7po5zu,,0,1573980904.0,"Haha. You need to look up the scientific method. And maybe read a book on history or science. Or actually read any of the links I provided. “Science” is never “settled” it constantly evolves. + +I’m not manipulating anything. I’m presenting evidence. It may not support your belief system but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value, despite your narcissistic beliefs. + +Vaccine fundamentalists cling to antiquated treatments not backed by true scientific process. No discussion allowed, dissidents will be shamed, and policy will be mandated. Thus preventing scientific progress and propagating pseudoscience. + +Science vs pseudoscience +https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg + +Scientific progress always takes a long time. Even the now simple concept of hand washing took more than 20 years to catch on and Dr. Semmelweis was mocked and shamed for the notion that Drs may be spreading disease, suffered a nervous breakdown and died due to mistreatment in an asylum. This is how we reward people who question the status quo and seek progress, especially when it may bring to light that Drs may be unwittingly harming patients by following that status quo. + +Pro vaccine choice individuals are the ones calling for more study and scientific progress. It is usually the ones that call for more vaccination that have the hubris to believe the science is settled and we know everything there is to know about the human body and the immune system. + +It is the ones against vaccine choice that have the arrogance to demand everyone follow what they believe regardless of the individuals hurt along the way. The belief that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and that the nation state should be allowed to tell an individual what to inject into their body are fascist ideals. + +Fascism - anti-intellectual, anti-democratic, individual interests are subordinated to the good of the nation, forcibly suppresses opposition and criticism, regiments industry, commerce, etc., emphasizes an aggressive nationalism and often racism. + +AKA taking away an individual’s right to choose what is injected into their body despite numerous side effects and subjecting them to mass experimentation for “the good of the nation” while really just backing the ever growing pharmaceutical industry and suppressing any information that contradicts their interests. + +So even if you don’t agree don’t force your ideals on others.",2019-11-17 10:55:04 +Comment,3,f7orud7,,0,1573961617.0,"Science doesn't care what you believe. Science is hard and palpable through hard evidence. Which you are manipulating hard. Like larry crook. + +If science were only to care about treating symptoms, then epidemiology and vaccines wouldn't exist. Because prevention would be irrelevant. But guess what. They exist. Gtfo",2019-11-17 05:33:37 +Comment,3,f7orklo,,0,1573961445.0,"Ms copy paste. It's one thing to quote smth, and it's another to misinterpret and cherry pick it. 😂 + +/u/jf_queeny you have an infested pro diseaser here.",2019-11-17 05:30:45 +Comment,-1,f7oebe4,,0,1573954818.0,"I believe science is ever changing, ever evolving and the current medical teaching is only lacking, focused on treating symptoms rather than increasing heath and preventing disease. + +I’d say the Drs in this story could be considered “pro-disease”, no? +https://youtu.be/pHhLYqF85EA + +“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” – Arthur Schopenhauer + +https://www.medicaldaily.com/mad-scientist-6-scientists-who-were-dismissed-crazy-only-be-proven-right-years-later-362010 + +https://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/medical-breakthroughs#page=3 + +Tobacco industry lies +https://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/TobaccoExplained.pdf + +CDC in 1958 says cigarettes don’t cause cancer. It is now universally recognized and accepted that cigarettes DO cause cancer.",2019-11-17 03:40:18 +Comment,-1,f7obsbr,,0,1573953558.0,"Lol. These are quotes from the studies. And the studies are trying to figure out why the flu vaccine causes this decrease in efficacy. Feel free to read them and let me know your interpretation. + +As far as group immunity... +Note the “no decline in transmission” below + +According to a Cochrane review the flu vaccine IF it has the correct strains circulating reduces the likelihood of catching the flu from 4% if unvaccinated to 1% if vaccinated. A 3% risk difference. So not much of a benefit there. Also the study concluded that there is no evidence that the flu vaccine affect complications, such as pneumonia, or transmission. The CDC combines pneumonia rates with flu rates to estimate the number of deaths from the flu, creating extremely exaggerated numbers to push the flu vaccine when the flu vaccine doesn’t reduce rates of pneumonia. And the insert actually lists pneumonia as a possible side effect.  + +Cochrane review +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22895945/ + +And... + +The Myth of Herd Immunity +The Myth of Herd Immunity leads us to believe that unvaccinated populations will bring back epidemics of deadly diseases. This myth also makes us believe that: +1. Unvaccinated children are a threat to society and +2. Unvaccinated children pose a risk to vaccinated children. +I’ll tackle this whole discombobulated mess of a myth in one post, through the research, knowledge, science, & expertise of a doctor, a pediatrician, & a neurosurgeon. +What are we told? +* We often hear statements from public health officials like “Clusters of unvaccinated children are not only in potential danger themselves, but are also a threat to the herd immunity”. +* Authorities argue that parents should vaccinate their children to protect society as a whole from epidemics. +* According to public health officials, “parents who reject vaccines don’t consider the effect of their child on the rest of society”. +* We are told that for the shots to work, everyone must play along. And parents who decline the vaccines, are somehow reaping the benefits from those who are vaccinated. +What is truth?  +Dr. O’Shea, in his book: “Vaccination is Not Immunization” explains:  “Do not make the error of many pediatricians or journalists who talk about herd immunity as though it refers to the immunity that proceeds from a large group of people being vaccinated. The calculated deception behind this common misnomer is that if you don’t know what herd immunity is, you’ll buy their illusion: that the unvaccinated child can take advantage of the herd who have been vaccinated. This is well though-out propaganda. True herd immunity is a term which indicates that a disease has burned itself out within a population, as with plague, smallpox, typhus-every infectious disease in history. The herd has become immune. Natural selection. It has to do with nature, not with manmade vaccines. Don’t be fooled again” +Dr. Palevsky (board-certified pediatrician) explains: “This whole concept of herd immunity is very interesting, because we were taught that herd immunity occurs because a certain percentage of a population gets an active illness. Therefore by a certain percentage of getting the active illness, they impart a protection onto the remaining part of the population that has not gotten the illness yet. And so the herd that is getting the illness is shedding the illness and protecting those who have not gotten it."" +In vaccine science, we are extrapolating or concluding that if we vaccinate a certain percentage of people, we are imparting protection on those who have not been vaccinated. And that has NOT been shown to be true, because the true herd immunity in theory is based on an ACTIVE DISEASE, and we know that despite what we’re taught, vaccination does not mimic the natural disease. +Thus, we cannot use the same model of herd immunity in a natural disease in the vaccination policy. This does not stop the press, every single year. +The entire concept of herd immunity fails to acknowledge that there is a life cycle of the viruses and the bacteria all on their own, and that what turns them on and off may have nothing to do with the percentage of people who have been infected. +By failing to include that viruses have a life cycle, and that they are in relationship to other organisms and to us, we are missing the main point. It is preposterous to think that a child who is vaccinated no longer carries the bacteria or the viruses that they have been vaccinated against. That is the whole point of vaccines. +So Once You Are Vaccinated, You Are Part of the Herd. Right? +Dr. Blaylock (board certified neurosurgeon) explains:  +“In the original description of herd immunity, the protection to the population at large occurred only if people contracted the infections naturally. The reason is that naturally acquired immunity lasts for a lifetime. Vaccine proponents quickly latched onto this concept and applied it to vaccine-induced immunity. But there was one major problem: Vaccine-induced immunity lasts for only a relatively short period… +This is why they quietly began to suggest  boosters for most vaccines, even the common childhood infections such as chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella. +Then they discovered an even greater problem: The boosters were lasting for only two years or less. This is why we are now seeing mandates that youth entering colleges have multiple vaccines, even those that they insisted gave lifelong immunity, such as the MMR. The same is being suggested for full-grown adults. Ironically, no one in the media or medical field is asking what is going on. They just accept that it must be done. +That vaccine-induced herd immunity is mostly myth can be proven quite simply. We all were told for over 70 years that vaccine immunity lasts a lifetime. It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given. +What this means is that at least half the population, that is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life. At least 50 percent of the population has been unprotected for decades. +If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95 percent. Yet we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50 percent or less of the population having vaccine protection. +Herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades, and no resurgent epidemics have occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations”. +Where is the Logic? +Take Pertussis (whooping cough) Dr. Palevsky explains this very well: +Do children vaccinated with the pertussis vaccine somehow stop carrying pertussis bacteria in their airways simply because they’ve been vaccinated? NO +Do pertussis vaccines stop vaccinated children from transmitting the pertussis bacteria to other people? NO +Do pertussis bacteria disappear from society once vaccination rates are high? NO: Vaccination rates for pertussis have no impact on whether the pertussis bacteria are in the air or not, or whether or not we breathe them in. The presence of the pertussis bacteria, and the exposure to them, are in no way affected by vaccination status or vaccination rates. +Do unvaccinated children, because they are unvaccinated, carry the bacteria in their airways, which vaccinated children are somehow no longer believed to be carrying because they’ve been vaccinated? NO +Do unvaccinated children transmit the pertussis bacteria to other children by the mere fact that they are not vaccinated? NO: Air is air. Air is free to breathe. We breathe in whatever is in the air. And, vaccinated and unvaccinated children are equally exposed to breathing in pertussis bacteria. +Anyone who poses as science the idea that unvaccinated children pose a threat to the population because they are unvaccinated and are more likely to transmit a disease to the rest of the population, is misleading you, promulgating myth, and inaccurate. Vaccination with the pertussis vaccine does not exonerate anyone from carrying the pertussis bacteria, or prevent them from being exposed to the bacteria. +Unvaccinated children do not walk around carrying secret viruses and bacteria that no-one else has. An unvaccinated child with measles has no greater chance of spreading measles than a vaccinated child with measles would.",2019-11-17 03:19:18 +Comment,1,f7ob7sd,,0,1573953261.0,"Geezus, you're a prodiseaser, aren't you?",2019-11-17 03:14:21 +Comment,2,f7oaukq,,0,1573953059.0,"Wow, you reading comprehension is scary. I've only read half of your ""conclusions"" that yoj got from the paragraphs and it's scary that someone doesn't understand shit from them. + +Also, group immunity is what makes the flu shot efficient, along with the strain match. Stop spreading misleading shit that you can't even read right. + +Who the fuck reads an article like the last one and says that glu vaccine sheds. No inactivated vaccine can shed. What virology classes did you take? With a goat? Geezus fucking christ",2019-11-17 03:10:59 +Comment,1,f7oapiz,,0,1573952983.0,"If parents are concerned about the effects of the MMR vaccine, I would suggest having their children get the vaccines separately. + +It's also not just people having their children skip the MMR vaccine, but all vaccines in general. Autism has been found to be genetic, and if you read the book Neurotribes, you will learn that autism diagnosis rates went up in the 1990s due to an expansion of the diagnosis criteria to include Asperger's syndrome. Children with Asperger's syndrome do not regress as toddlers like some kids with more severe autism do.",2019-11-17 03:09:43 +Comment,-1,f7oa9s9,,0,1573952757.0,"Flu vaccine less effective the more you take it. +https://marshfieldresearch.org/News/clinic-researchers-study-finds-prior-flu-season-vaccines-may-provide-residual-protection +“Researchers found adults had similar levels of protection if they received the flu vaccine in the current season, the previous season or both seasons. They also found that vaccine effectiveness was 27-41 percent higher for adults who were vaccinated for the first time in the past five years, compared to those who got the vaccine almost every year. She said reasons for the increase in effectiveness is not yet clear and more research is needed to understand how repeated flu vaccination affects the immune system.” + +Flu vaccine less effective if taken every year. +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC24180/#!po=0.641026 +And +http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/11/study-adds-more-data-effects-consecutive-year-flu-shots +And +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4387051/#__ffn_sectitle +“On Feb. 5, 2015, other Canadian researchers published interim estimates of 2014/15 influenza vaccine effectiveness in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza-related hospitalization. The figure for people aged 65 and over was −32.9%, according to findings from the Serious Outcomes Surveillance Network of the Canadian Immunization Research Network.” + +Not effective for very young and old, who would actually need protection +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18838647/ +“In 2 seasons with suboptimal antigenic match between vaccines and circulating strains, we could not demonstrate VE in preventing influenza-related inpatient/ED or outpatient visits in children younger than 5 years.” + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16437500/ +“Influenza vaccines are efficacious in children older than two years but little evidence is available for children under two. There was a marked difference between vaccine efficacy and effectiveness. That no safety comparisons could be carried out emphasizes the need for standardisation of methods and presentation of vaccine safety data in future studies.” + +Flumist vaccine sheds: +“we observed 6.3 (95% CI ‪1.9–21.5‬) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons. “ http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/01/17/1716561115 + +https://youtu.be/LAAWZMiMSuc +- WHO dr talks abt influenza and vaccines, admits low efficacy - ave abt 30% + +https://youtu.be/nWzmqe5bwf8 +- nurse on flu shots",2019-11-17 03:05:57 +Comment,0,f7oa1tj,,0,1573952631.0,"If you are referring to the Wakefield study you are incorrect. + +There were 12 authors on the paper. Only 2 drs on the paper lost their licenses and one was given their license back after appealing. When reviewed, the accusations were unfounded. Wakefield was in the US and didn’t file an appeal. The paper is not fraudulent and it doesn’t even say the mmr vaccine causes autism. The paper stated that the parents reported that the kids regressed into autism after the MMR and they concluded that there was a connection between autism and gut health and suggested more studying was necessary. + +More studies have corroborated their finding: +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3981895/ +And +https://media.jamanetwork.com/news-item/gastrointestinal-symptoms-reported-by-moms-more-common-in-kids-with-autism/ +And +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159118300783 + +Wakefield made the mistake of being outspoken on the need for further safety review and studies for one vaccine and he was made an example of. Also, the debate with the MMR started before Wakefield when the pharmaceutical companies decided to ignore the evidence that it was causing meningitis. +- mmr vaccine caused meningitis in Canada, but they continued to use it in UK and knowingly caused meningitis +https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1544592/Vaccine-officials-knew-about-MMR-risks.html + +Brian Deer, the journalist who railroaded him worked for the Sunday Times, owned by News Corp and Rupert Murdoch. Murdoch’s son James Murdoch had just gotten a job at GlaxoSmithKline who made the MMR vaccine. That is what is called a conflict of interest and explains the lies Deer spread. + +Overview: +http://ahrp.org/significant-shadowy-financial-conflicts-of-interest-behind-persecution-of-andrew-wakefield/ + +John walker-Smith wins appeal +https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mmr-doctor-john-walker-smith-wins-high-court-appeal-7543114.html + +What the study said: +“These studies, together with our own, including evidence of anaemia and IgA deficiency in some children, would support the hypothesis that the consequences of an inflamed or dysfunctional intestine may play a part in behavioural changes in some children. “ ... “We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described. Virological studies are underway that may help to resolve this issue.” +https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2897%2911096-0/fulltext",2019-11-17 03:03:51 +Comment,3,f7nnbre,,0,1573939889.0,Quality of life is important. Even if it's a short life.,2019-11-16 23:31:29 +Comment,2,f7nn9mo,,0,1573939844.0,"Well, you can ask her how she feels about the fact that people at risk for dying because of the flu are predominantly those with underlying medical problems.",2019-11-16 23:30:44 +Comment,3,f7mmvfr,,0,1573896522.0,"The doctors have not been clear about how long he has left. They were the ones that wanted the vaccine. He also routinely refuses to obey instructions from his cardiologist and has refused medications. That’s actually a large reason why he is the way he is. He refused to go to the cardiologist for almost 10 years and quit his previous meds cold turkey even though he was born with a defect in his heart and had stints. This is what we are dealing with. The only reason he went back is because we strong-armed him into it. Low and behold, his rather garden variety CAD had progressed to heart failure because he put it off so long.",2019-11-16 11:28:42 +Comment,2,f7mmig2,,0,1573896231.0,I’m a very provax nurse. But I don’t understand the reason why you would badger him into accepting a pneumonia vaccine if he is already dying of congestive heart failure. Let him live out his days in peace.,2019-11-16 11:23:51 +Comment,2,f7m4n59,,0,1573883385.0,I plan on talking to her about it later. It was pretty dang shocking.,2019-11-16 07:49:45 +Comment,6,f7m4hju,,0,1573883281.0,"Tell your mom you're extremely concerned about the nurse's belief in the vaccination and autism link (the original study on the ""link"" was eventually proven to have had falsified data). + +The fact that your dad is anti-vax is bad enough, but a medical professional should know better.",2019-11-16 07:48:01 +Comment,3,f7m3jwn,,0,1573882649.0,"Besides the vaccine issue, she’s okay. Both of my parents like her, even though my mom is not anti vax.",2019-11-16 07:37:29 +Comment,5,f7m3fu7,,0,1573882574.0,Are you allowed to request a different nurse for him? I don't know who you'd ask about that.,2019-11-16 07:36:14 +Comment,2,f7fdv3c,,0,1573706122.0,"Made me laugh, have an upvote.",2019-11-14 06:35:22 +Comment,2,f72cx84,,0,1573387726.0,"Every company manufacturing vaccines has been charged and convicted of lying to the public about the safety of its products. + +Vaccines are labeled “unavoidably unsafe” by the US Supreme Court and were protected from judicial oversight through legal channels (National Child Vaccine Injury Act in 1986), this took away legal channels for discovery and safety review. This happened because so many people said vaccines were injuring their loved ones. + +The ethical argument against double-blind placebo controlled studies is nonsense. In drug trial (vs biologics aka vaccines) a sick individual would be denied a drug that could potentially save their life in order to have a true control to determine an accurate basis of side effects for risk assessment. And in vaccine trials they will not only use a different vaccine as the “placebo”, they will also use a solution with the aluminum adjuvants in place of a saline solution. How is this beneficial to anyone? How is it more ethical to expose someone to the most questionable ingredient in the vaccine with no benefit of generating any kind of antibodies? It’s total nonsense. + +Aluminum does cross the blood brain barrier and accumulate in the body. + +The study “Flarend et al.” was a study of 6 rabbits over 28 days that looked at the absorption and elimination of Al adjuvants. + +The study admits we do not understand Al adjuvants in the body. “The disposition of aluminum containing adjuvants after intramuscular administration is not understood.” + +The study detected Al adjuvant in the brain, kidneys, spleen, liver, lymph nodes and heart. + +Most of Al still in the system after 28 days: “The cumulative amount of aluminum eliminated in the urine during the 28 days of the study was 6% of the Al hydroxide and 22% of the Al phosphate adjuvant dose. Aluminum from both adjuvants was still being excreted at a steady rate at day 28.” + +For Al hydroxide, about 100-5.6% = 94.4% of the aluminum remained in the rabbits after 28 days. For Al phosphate, about 100-22% = 78% remained in the rabbits after 28 days. We do not know the elimination rates of the Al still in the body after 28 days or what happened to the Al that travelled to the brain and other organs. + +Al and macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) lesion +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318414/ +“We previously showed that poorly biodegradable aluminum-coated particles injected into muscle are promptly phagocytosed in muscle and the draining lymph nodes, and can disseminate within phagocytic cells throughout the body and slowly accumulate in brain. This strongly suggests that long-term adjuvant biopersistence within phagocytic cells is a prerequisite for slow brain translocation and delayed neurotoxicity” + +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013417304749 +- mice show ASD symptoms after injection with AL +- discussion of this study https://www.google.com/amp/info.cmsri.org/aluminum-and-your-health-blog/animal-study-reveals-aluminum-adjuvants-can-impair-social-behavior%3fhs_amp=true + +Immunologist argument against mandatory vaccination +http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/ + +Vaccine fundamentalists cling to antiquated treatments not backed by true scientific process. No discussion allowed, dissidents will be shamed, and policy will be mandated. Thus preventing scientific progress and propagating pseudoscience. + +Science vs pseudoscience +https://i.redd.it/04bewq91kxuy.jpg + +Scientific progress always takes a long time. And it is ever evolving. Even the now simple concept of hand washing took more than 20 years to catch on and Dr. Semmelweis was mocked and shamed for the notion that Drs may be spreading disease, suffered a nervous breakdown and died due to mistreatment in an asylum. This is how we reward people who question the status quo and seek progress, especially when it may bring to light that Drs may be unwittingly harming patients by following that status quo. + +Do not stop questioning just because you don’t understand the topic. That is when you should ask the most questions.",2019-11-10 14:08:46 +Comment,-1,f726ar4,,0,1573383133.0,"If he meant that it's still a mistake because that isn't what ""biologically irrelevant"" means",2019-11-10 12:52:13 +Comment,2,f721jhq,,0,1573380833.0,"> You can reply if you like, I don’t mind. I’ve already said I wouldn’t be responding further as I don’t have capacity to take it all in and understand it! + +It's honestly for the best. That's a wall of text from a nuthead that I won't touch. I've had my fair share of dealing with antivaxxers and when I can, I help. But it's late and I'd rather sleep than read cray cray comments. + +Don't you worry, no matter what you'll say, you won't actually educate them. They're too far gone.",2019-11-10 12:13:53 +Comment,2,f720efl,,0,1573380317.0,"They can back with this: + + +using double blind, inert-placebo, randomized studies is the gold standard in science for a good reason. +there is only one way u can get around using such safety studies, which is the use of a prior tested medication or vaccine in a double blind, randomized, inert-placebo controlled study, so that the safety of this medication has been proven prior properly, to be used as a control group in an non inferiority type of study, this however was never the case for any vaccine. +and i don't care what a WHO expert panel says, the WHO being a huge part of the pro vaccine push, despite refusal to do proper studies, so why should i listen to an appeal to authority, to an agency, that literally throws oil in the fire of fear of people against people, who are educated and refuse to vaccinate. +and i literally linked 2 sources in the last comment, that showed u, that aluminium in vaccines is an acute exposure. +""An aluminium adjuvant in a vaccine is an acute exposure to aluminium"" +and i linked u a 2nd source showing, that extreme levels of aluminium are found in the brains of autistic people: +""aluminium in brain tissue in autism"" +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763 +so i assume u haven't even read them? +question: if we find the neurotoxin aluminium in the brains of autistic people, where does it come from according to u? could it be, that vaccines are the source? oh wait it is the highest source for it looking at the first paper doing some basic math, the first infanrix hexa vaccination being 3x the load of aluminium to the 56 day old baby, as they got their whole entire prior 55 days of life through breastfeeding, the math is clear, the science is clear. +Doesn't cross the brain's barrier, doesn't accumulate, doesn't do... whatever you and the others claim today. +skeptical raptor calls it pseudoscience, yet we got a clear delivery way and source and we find it in the brain at extreme levels, so it CLEARLY crosses the blood brain barrier, how about u read the sources i give, before u state your believe of the opposite? + + +You can reply if you like, I don’t mind. I’ve already said I wouldn’t be responding further as I don’t have capacity to take it all in and understand it! + +Thanks again for the help earlier!",2019-11-10 12:05:17 +Comment,2,f71z9jb,,0,1573379783.0,"> https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/cbxeou/skeptical_raptor_writes_flawed_article_on_aluminum/ + +Ehhh your first point is kinda missing the point. I think he meant ""biologically"" as in, like in my comment above, aluminium won't accumulate in the body and/or create long term adverse effects. + +Will give it a read tomorrow though. Thanks",2019-11-10 11:56:23 +Comment,0,f71ygh0,,0,1573379311.0,I have written about the flaws in his articles here [https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/ce7fh8/skeptical\_raptor\_exaggerates\_the\_results\_of\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/ce7fh8/skeptical_raptor_exaggerates_the_results_of_an/) and here [https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/cbxeou/skeptical\_raptor\_writes\_flawed\_article\_on\_aluminum/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadVaccineScience/comments/cbxeou/skeptical_raptor_writes_flawed_article_on_aluminum/),2019-11-10 11:48:31 +Comment,1,f71wzzr,,0,1573378625.0,Ohh noo. I really liked his blog. What did he say?,2019-11-10 11:37:05 +Comment,2,f71vbrt,,0,1573377734.0,"Don't use skeptical raptor, he has made a lot of mistakes",2019-11-10 11:22:14 +Comment,1,f70a073,,0,1573354915.0,"Thank you so much for spending so much time on this! + +I pasted it as a reply and said I wouldn’t be responding further. If you want to get into something, it’s here: https://reddit.com/r/AntiVaxxers/comments/dtll9t/is_autism_really_that_bad/ +Bottom comment",2019-11-10 05:01:55 +Comment,5,f6ytj1b,,0,1573325424.0,"First of all, double blind studies need large masses of people and it's unethical. Like, if you give a placebo to some infants that could be saved from tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis etc, would you do it? What if they die from that disease? + +https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/94056/9789241506250_eng.pdf;jsessionid=D19837B6AAF49E362E4297F66EBB53E4?sequence=1 + +Example for the rotavirus vaccine + +>A key ethical aspect considered when adopting the placebo-controlled design was that the risks of withholding rotavirus vaccine could be (and were) mitigated by rehydration counselling and regular check-ups. + + +Another problem with that is that these vaccines were proven over and over again that they are effective. And there are multiple methods to do that without risking someone's lives. Like testing for antibodies. It's simple, it's effective, it doesn't cost that much, especially not a life! + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4157320/ + +>Against this backdrop, the WHO Department of Ethics and Social Determinants convened an expert consultation to provide recommendations on the use of placebo controls in vaccine trials in cases where an efficacious vaccine already exists. + +See? It's not like the dropped the vaccines on the market and then let them do damage and hope for the best. The vaccines were extensively tested anyway, so yeah, now maybe they can have some placebo tests done, if it doesn't risk... let's say, an infant's life. But they don't even need to do that. They just have to use an unvaccinated cohort (and they can find that for sure, either because of poverty, lack of vaccines, etc) and compare the results. + +>While this paper focuses specifically on the use of placebo controls, similar considerations apply to open designs in which a placebo is not used, but an unvaccinated control group is included. + + +Another great article. + + +https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/vaccine-randomized-clinical-trials + + +For the other thing: https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/aluminum-and-vaccines-its-time-to-clear-up-the-pseudoscience/ + +First it was ""mercury"" or thimerosal, which is a salt of mercury. Now it's aluminium. They're just moving goal posts. + +The dose makes the poison. From a 0,5 ml dose of a vaccine, aluminium will not be in such a high quantity and it will be eliminated from the body within 72 h and wouldn't be able to travel anywhere, since it's injected subcutaneously or intramuscularly. + +In fact, it stays there, irritates the skin, draws white blood cells to it and then will help create a higher immune response than a vaccine without it. That's it. + + +Doesn't cross the brain's barrier, doesn't accumulate, doesn't do... whatever they claim today. + + +PS: skeptical raptor is an MD and his blog has done many articles debunking their bullshit, with sources.",2019-11-09 20:50:24 +Comment,1,f6njdph,,0,1573021593.0,"It's funny that. In England & Wales from 1901 to 1970 sudden and inexplicable deaths in under 4 year old's was a rarity with just a few cases per year. In 1961 the first measles vaccine was trialed here. 1961 saw a higher than ever reported morbidity of measles and a higher than average mortality, the 5 years prior to this we weren't even seeing 100 deaths per year which was quite the achievement given at the start of the century we were seeing up to >13,000 in a year, in 1961 we saw 152 deaths. 1962 they seemed to step back. No reports of any tests and the numbers showed it. Case rates plummeted, as did mortality. 1963, they officially star to use the first measles vaccine. Again, we see morbidity and mortality rise: + +Year Cases Deaths + +1956 160,556 28 + +1957 633,678 94 + +1958 259,308 49 + +1959 539,524 98 + +1960 159,364 31 + +**1961 763,531 152** + +1962 184,895 39 + +**1963 601,255 127** + +**1964 306,801 73** + +**1965 502,209 115** + +**1966 343,642 80** + +**1967 460,407 99** + +If you look at the history of measles mortality, you see a pattern develop - low then high. Over the decades, mortality bombed. No NHS, no antibiotics, no vaccine, just improved living and better understanding. When you look at 1956 to 1960 and compare that to how the drop was constant up until this point, there was nothing in nature that should have allowed mortality to rise the way it did, the **only** difference during these times was the measles vaccine. Mortality was almost double what it should have been during these times. + +In 1968 an *improved* vaccine is released and measles rates settle. Uptake is slow, however, the interesting thing is the rise in sudden and inexplicable deaths in children under the age of 4 from 1970. Prior to 1970, there were 2, maybe 3 if any deaths in under 4's which couldn't be explained. + +**Sudden and unexplained deaths in under 4's:** + +**1961 -** 0 + +**1962 -** 0 + +**1963 -** 0 + +**1964 -** 1 + +**1965 -** 1 + +**1966 -** 0 + +**1967 -** 0 + +**1968 -** 1 + +**1969 -** 2 + +**1970 -** 51 + +**1971 -** 250 + +**1972 -** 454 + +**1973 -** 581 + +**1974 -** 600 + +**1975 -** 634 + +**1976 -** 626 + +**1977 -** 690 + +**1978 -** 736 + +It got so bad, they even invented a syndrome. + +""Vaccinated people live long enough to be adults and adults are meanies"" - sure, if you're lucky enough not to be killed and discarded as being just another unknown case of the mystery which is SIDS",2019-11-06 08:26:33 +Comment,4,f68ct6o,,0,1572756317.0,The joke is that they don’t like adults and vaccines keep you alive until adulthood so the kids don’t like vaccines,2019-11-03 06:45:17 +Comment,1,f5x953f,,0,1572566094.0,mmm kaboom salt yum,2019-11-01 01:54:54 +Comment,1,f5wz6yx,,0,1572561733.0,hurb,2019-11-01 00:42:13 +Comment,1,f5wqav2,,0,1572557554.0,bruh,2019-10-31 23:32:34 +Comment,1,f5sm3e4,,0,1572465091.0,"He said it needs further studying for a confirmation. But ok, you do you, prodiseaser.",2019-10-30 21:51:31 +Comment,1,f5slv8q,,0,1572464857.0,"> So... You trust him to have found a correlation but not share it. That's not proof. + +It’s proof in court. Your erroneous beliefs can be contrary to the data at hand and unfortunately it will be null and void.",2019-10-30 21:47:37 +Comment,2,f5skysh,,0,1572463881.0,"So... You trust him to have found a correlation but not share it. That's not proof. Your beliefs are not proof. + +Unpublished abstract is not enough to deaw a conclusion. If it were, then all the studies would just validate your shitty conspiracies. Cherry picking again. Just like you still belive that cray cray Wakefield.",2019-10-30 21:31:21 +Comment,2,f5skulz,,0,1572463755.0,"That's not how it works, but sure. You do your statistics.",2019-10-30 21:29:15 +Comment,0,f5sktje,,0,1572463721.0,"By reading the letter to the editor and eternal emails. He left to work for GSK for Pete’s sake. + +If you read the transcripts you would know they (including Verstraeten) had no other explanation or hypothesis. + +I know the results by reading the unpublished abstract which is derived by scientific data.",2019-10-30 21:28:41 +Comment,-1,f5skke5,,0,1572463432.0,"Conspiracy theories? You can believe that all day. Until you come up with answers the numbers will rise. + +https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html + +You can call relative risk of 7.7 a correlation all day. LMAO SOCIETY IS FUCKED. + +https://imgur.com/a/clISPFG",2019-10-30 21:23:52 +Comment,2,f5skcv5,,0,1572463195.0,And you know he was pressured how? And you know the results how?,2019-10-30 21:19:55 +Comment,1,f5sk6cv,,0,1572462982.0,"The final conclusion of the [study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14595043/) is exactly what they predetermined. Verstraeten was pressured to bury the link. + +> “In phase II at HMO C, no significant associations were found. In no analyses were significant increased risks found for autism or attention-deficit disorder. + +> “CONCLUSIONS: No consistent significant associations were found between TCVs and neurodevelopmental outcomes.” + +> **Dr. Bernier, pg 198: ""the negative findings need to be pinned down and published.""** + +A belief system that’s not followed by the evidence. All laid out in the transcripts.",2019-10-30 21:16:22 +Comment,1,f5sk52m,,0,1572462939.0,"No. Because it can't. Clearly you didn't know that even your own body or breastmilk contain formaldehyde. That's naturally produced by your body. If you don't understand that the dose makes it dangerous, then you probably need to drink 20 l of water and see how you feel. + +Also... Maybe go to a physiology class, and take dr weil with you, to learn that the body excretes the ingredients of a vaccine in 72 h tops. + +They literally don't have time to reach the blood barrier seeing how they are in such a small quantity and they're injected subcutaneously or intramuscular. But hey, please, tell me more about how you learned medicine from fucking google. I'm sure you have a diploma too. + +Don't vaccinate your child, by all means. + +I'm sure you'd love tk have him die from tetanus. It's surely easier to swallow than the fact that Kennedy jr has no freaking clue about what he's talking about.",2019-10-30 21:15:39 +Comment,0,f5sju2r,,0,1572462570.0,"> Excuse me? Formaldehyde is toxic too. But what matters in a loooot of cases, the dose makes the poison. And in case you didn't know, the quantity of literally everything in vaccines, is so small, that ot couldn't hurt anyone. + +Yes. Have you considered the possibility the dose in vaccines can make the poison in some individuals? Both aluminum and thimerosal are acknowledged as neurotoxins. + +Read on: + +> Dr. Verstraeten “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.” + +> Dr. Weil, pg. 207: ""The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. The positive relationships are those that one might expect from the Faroe Islands studies. They are also related to those data we do have on experimental animal data and similar to the neurodevelopmental tox data on other substances, so that I think you can't accept that this is out of the ordinary. It isn't out of the ordinary.""",2019-10-30 21:09:30 +Comment,2,f5sjtc1,,0,1572462545.0,And the conclusion is definitely not what you dreamed of.,2019-10-30 21:09:05 +Comment,1,f5sjsg9,,0,1572462513.0,"Read what i said further. Vaccines cause autism just like measles causes successful rich people. They didn't find any association. But sure, please educate me some more with conspiracy theories.",2019-10-30 21:08:33 +Comment,0,f5sj9ny,,0,1572461884.0,"Your talking about Walter? Lots of pharma associates and CDC attended the meeting. + +http://vaccines.emory.edu/faculty-evc/primary-faculty/orenstein_walter.html",2019-10-30 20:58:04 +Comment,-1,f5sj1wn,,0,1572461610.0,"You haven’t heard of the [Simpsonwood conference? ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Simpsonwood_CDC_conference) Every MD should read the [transcripts.](https://fearlessparent.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Simpsonwood_Transcript_Scan_by_RJK_OCR.pdf) I posted a site above with some snippets. + +> Correlation doesn’t imply causation. + +The final results don’t imply causation either. Unless it’s “vaccines don’t cause autism” right? + +Read the abstract. Read the transcripts. They found an association (not just autism) and they decided to not publish it.",2019-10-30 20:53:30 +Comment,2,f5sitze,,0,1572461334.0,"It seems to me that even those from your link can't differentiate between thimerosal/Ethylmercury and methylmercury. Baaaad doctors, baaaad! + +>Dr. Orenstein pg 1-2 “(For) those who don’t know, initial concerns were raised last summer that mercury, as methylmercury (thimerosal) in vaccines, might exceed safe levels. + + +And then + +> “Thimerosal is cleaved (in the body) into ethylmercury and thiosalicylate which is inactive… The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.” + +Excuse me? Formaldehyde is toxic too. But what matters in a loooot of cases, the dose makes the poison. And in case you didn't know, the quantity of literally everything in vaccines, is so small, that ot couldn't hurt anyone. + + +Ooohh good. He addressed that. “Acutely, it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death, from overdose + +This link seems so chopped. What even is this? + + +Omg. I googled that last doc i quoted. + +Please read this. + + ""The article does not state that we found evidence against an association, as a negative study would. It does state, on the contrary, that additional study is recommended, which is the conclusion to which a neutral study must come."" + +Enough with the cherry picking, you pro diseasers! https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2014/02/22/is-the-cdc-hiding-data-about-mercury-vaccines-and-autism/amp/",2019-10-30 20:48:54 +Comment,1,f5sioss,,0,1572461147.0,What even is that? How did they establish a causation? I'm sure you heard that correlation doesn't imply causation.,2019-10-30 20:45:47 +Comment,1,f5sddg1,,0,1572452899.0,"**Ethylmercury** + +Ethylmercury (sometimes ethyl mercury) is a cation composed of an organic CH3CH2- species (an ethyl group) bound to a mercury(II) centre, making it a type of organometallic cation, and giving it a chemical formula is C2H5Hg+. It is one of the metabolites of thiomersal (thimerosal or sodium ethyl mercuric thiosalicylate), which is used as a preservative in some vaccines. The term ""ethylmercury"" is also sometimes used as a generic term to describe organomercury compounds which include the ethylmercury functional group, such as ethylmercury chloride and ethylmercury urea. + +*** + +^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^] +^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28",2019-10-30 18:28:19 +Comment,2,f5sddf8,,0,1572452898.0,"Desktop link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury +*** + ^^/r/HelperBot_ ^^Downvote ^^to ^^remove. ^^Counter: ^^286598. [^^Found ^^a ^^bug?](https://reddit.com/message/compose/?to=swim1929&subject=Bug&message=https://reddit.com/r/VaccineMyths/comments/doyqqk/any_studies_on_how_much_ethylmercury_is/f5sdd95/)",2019-10-30 18:28:18 +Comment,2,f5sdd95,,0,1572452891.0,"Unfortunately there's not a study about this. Read here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury + +They extrapolated the results from the use of methylmercury and didn't study ethylmercury separately :( which is sad. But it's pointless now, as only the flu shot has ethylmercury now. + +I guess you can point out how they're different compounds and their results are irrelevant. Antivaxxers won't care though.",2019-10-30 18:28:11 +Comment,1,f5sd8k0,,0,1572452677.0,Happy cake day!,2019-10-30 18:24:37 +Comment,2,f5s3aoq,,0,1572439125.0,"Or thimerosal. [Citation](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines) for anyone who is interested. It's the table right before ""References,"" towards the bottom of that page.",2019-10-30 14:38:45 +Comment,1,f5s1r5v,,0,1572437677.0,"I was just thinking I haven't posted anything to r/BadVaccineScience is a while, thanks for the idea! + +EDIT: that site is so full of many kinds of errors it is hard to tell where to start",2019-10-30 14:14:37 +Comment,5,f5rhahj,,0,1572423218.0,Most vaccines don't have ethylmercury at all,2019-10-30 10:13:38 +Comment,1,f5jw82b,,0,1572272580.0,"Because you were supposed to get a vaccine for measles, small pox and other deadly diseases, guess that vaccine got rid of your brain cells",2019-10-28 16:23:00 +Comment,1,f5jw4bl,,0,1572272433.0,"Just because you found an article about vaccines on Facebook doesn’t mean everything on it is correct. May I see your phD in medicine that you worked hard on to get. what? Your only evidence is a pintrest post? Ok, that’s good enough",2019-10-28 16:20:33 +Comment,5,f5jtngs,,0,1572269204.0,"It’s a comedic innuendo meaning three younger kids dress up in a trench coat to act/pretend they are older, usually used in the reference to get into an adult movie or anything related.",2019-10-28 15:26:44 +Comment,1,f5ictw5,,0,1572242034.0,Bruh that’s the joke idot,2019-10-28 07:53:54 +Comment,3,f5i6qql,,0,1572240292.0,Three 8 year olds in trench coat am I missing the reference,2019-10-28 07:24:52 +Comment,3,f5i5llx,,0,1572239967.0,I bet the coat was financed by bigpharma!,2019-10-28 07:19:27 +Comment,1,f5fadtg,,0,1572209097.0,Dude are we gonna have to r/woosh you right now? Cause this looks r/woosh,2019-10-27 22:44:57 +Comment,1,f5fa6lj,,0,1572208996.0,"Probably, I’m pretty sure you can die from it.I think Eazy E died from complications of aids and I don’t want my tombstone saying “he died cause he didn’t check if she was tested”. That’s embarrassing.",2019-10-27 22:43:16 +Comment,1,f55inct,,0,1572036965.0,You dads epilepsy is probably from a severe head injury. Or head injury and stroke. Has your father had any of these?,2019-10-25 23:56:05 +Comment,3,f4oqkm3,,0,1571734884.0,"Good luck getting this through their thick skulls, they ask for peer reviewed papers, and even then will ignore it. Trust me, i've tried to tell them this.",2019-10-22 12:01:24 +Comment,1,f4lcfmo,,0,1571694118.0,You think?,2019-10-22 00:41:58 +Comment,1,f4gei4i,,0,1571609055.0,Yea lol,2019-10-21 01:04:15 +Comment,1,f4g42vx,,0,1571606114.0,My god people are missing the joke,2019-10-21 00:15:14 +Comment,2,f4detmp,,0,1571570458.0,Not cool,2019-10-20 14:20:58 +Comment,3,f4bq9x2,,0,1571545515.0,Oh ok,2019-10-20 07:25:15 +Comment,4,f4aywpe,,0,1571532645.0,"When an EKG is flat, it means that the person's heart stopped beating, so that person is dead. An unvaccinated child dies at a young age.",2019-10-20 03:50:45 +Comment,1,f4ayktp,,0,1571532490.0,They’re nothing they’re,2019-10-20 03:48:10 +Comment,2,f3hxc6r,,0,1570958502.0,Technically there will be more autism because more people but the percentage won't increase,2019-10-13 12:21:42 +Comment,1,f3hlp46,,0,1570954240.0,>:),2019-10-13 11:10:40 +Comment,1,f3hkttd,,0,1570953895.0,"OH NO, THE PEARS ARE COMING TO KILL US",2019-10-13 11:04:55 +Comment,1,f3hkpoa,,0,1570953850.0,I know,2019-10-13 11:04:10 +Comment,1,f3et449,,0,1570913886.0,So do pears though :D,2019-10-12 23:58:06 +Comment,1,f3dcr49,,0,1570863618.0,I know,2019-10-12 10:00:18 +Comment,1,f3dclwx,,0,1570863559.0,"Yes, that is the joke.",2019-10-12 09:59:19 +Comment,1,f39r6rd,,0,1570782976.0,They realize dihydrogen monoxide is just a fancy way of saying water right?,2019-10-11 11:36:16 +Comment,1,f2rn34i,,0,1570403358.0,You’d think they’re a bit bias wouldn’t you? 🤔,2019-10-07 02:09:18 +Comment,1,f2dtbk3,,0,1570193028.0,Can I nominate others for a Nobel in chem?,2019-10-04 15:43:48 +Comment,3,f2d0p6a,,0,1570174039.0,Thx,2019-10-04 10:27:19 +Comment,5,f2czpy1,,0,1570173769.0,"not gonna say what it is, but this is a perfect act. +Kudos to you OP.",2019-10-04 10:22:49 +Comment,1,f1g1rjj,,0,1569486776.0,oh my bad man,2019-09-26 11:32:56 +Comment,1,f1frrgi,,0,1569480296.0,Almost all antivaxers want the best for their children but they are very mistaken.,2019-09-26 09:44:56 +Comment,2,f1flcpy,,0,1569475799.0,Yep all good,2019-09-26 08:29:59 +Comment,1,f1fbwnw,,0,1569469924.0,"I may have misinterpreted OP, but I thought you were defending the idea that you can draw conclusions form a single point in time. I think everything has been cleared up now",2019-09-26 06:52:04 +Comment,1,f1fakpb,,0,1569469099.0,"> So we agree on this point + +Sort of. It's now been extracted out of its origin by you, intentionally or otherwise. + +>This part of the title ""vaccines don’t cause autism and said that if it were true there would be a higher rate of kids with autism and there is not."" made me think OP was trying to draw conclusions from one point in time, which I was saying is incorrect + +Yes you've said several times that's what you thought OP was suggesting. You've not unpacked why you think that is the case over alternatives, even when one of the responses to OP explicitly implies a rate change. The offhanded summary in the title is an ambiguous take on a different conversation. Considering there many different ways that can actually be interpreted--one of which you've already talked about, some others I've introduced--what are you trying to accomplish? What is this discussion supposed to be about?",2019-09-26 06:38:19 +Comment,1,f1f295a,,0,1569464318.0,"I'fe been trying my best to explain this, and I am having trouble explaining it well,, but I am definitely acting in good faith + +>You cannot look at one point in time and conclude anything. + +So we agree on this point + +This part of the title ""vaccines don’t cause autism and said that if it were true there would be a higher rate of kids with autism and there is not."" made me think OP was trying to draw conclusions from one point in time, which I was saying is incorrect",2019-09-26 05:18:38 +Comment,1,f1e7blw,,0,1569443716.0,">I was doing my best to explain this until you started attacking my motives, anyway + +I don't think so. I suggested you were acting in bad faith after several back-and-forths where you never explained yourself or why you were assigning specific arguments to OP. And at each point you had every opportunity to explain what you meant and why you thought so, and you never did. + +>I am saying that just because most people don't have autism doesn't tell you about what causes autism, only changes, or lack thereof, in the number of people with autism can tell you this + +You originally said that OP claimed a rate of ASD independent of change or what not was enough to determine if vaccines had any effect on ASD. OP never claimed this, and you never explained why one might presuppose a static rate of ASD was reasonable to begin with. + +And *that* was what I was trying to tell you. ASD rates have changed independent of vaccines. You cannot look at one point in time and conclude anything. You insisting that OP said that is bad faith, since there is nothing to indicate that's what they meant, you never asked them about it, and there are plenty of reasonable interpretations on the table. + +I think you've now tried to walk it back to a more general rebuttal of something that, well, nobody suggested was the case to begin with.",2019-09-25 23:35:16 +Comment,1,f1dcwkv,,0,1569408968.0,"I was doing my best to explain this until you started attacking my motives, anyway, I am saying that just because most people don't have autism doesn't tell you about what causes autism, only changes, or lack thereof, in the number of people with autism can tell you this",2019-09-25 13:56:08 +Comment,1,f1dc82q,,0,1569408406.0,">My initial point that you seemed to think was wrong was that the rate of autism can't tell you if vaccines cause it, only the trend in the rate can tell you this, but not the rate itself + +Yes and you never explained how this is possible, what exactly that means, or why you're so certain this is what OP claimed. You have twice mentioned rates in general without much explanation, and several times asked me to clarify, but we never get any new clarification on your end. Just endless complaints about tone, supposed inferences about your motives, and anything else you can try to grab on to. + +So now's your chance!",2019-09-25 13:46:46 +Comment,1,f1dbtep,,0,1569408076.0,"My initial point that you seemed to think was wrong was that the rate of autism can't tell you if vaccines cause it, only the trend in the rate can tell you this, but not the rate itself",2019-09-25 13:41:16 +Comment,0,f1dbd2x,,0,1569407713.0,"> It's not clear exactly what you think I was wrong about + +I dunno. What you just suggested you might be wrong about? At this point you're just trying to obfuscate. I made it clear from the get go. If you've forgotten it's because you're too busy playing games. + +>you started talking about how you think being wrong is bad faith, rather than just pointing out what you thought was wrong + +I said what was wrong in the beginning. Just about the very first comment I made. + +>So if I was wrong and still haven't realized it, that's what you consider bad faith? that's not what bad faith means + +At least try to keep up, honestly. If you refuse to admit you are wrong and continue to argue anyway after you know you are wrong...*that's bad faith*. If you don't realize you're wrong, that's a different story, but since you don't bother justify how that's the case that is itself a *different* level of disingenuous argument. + +We're multi-layered at this point because you have no apparent desire to do anything but argue for the sake of argument. It's open and shut any way you play it now.",2019-09-25 13:35:13 +Comment,1,f1dapux,,0,1569407198.0,"It's not clear exactly what you think I was wrong about, you started talking about how you think being wrong is bad faith, rather than just pointing out what you thought was wrong + +>If it's the latter, then yes of course it's bad faith. + +So if I was wrong and still haven't realized it, that's what you consider bad faith? that's not what bad faith means",2019-09-25 13:26:38 +Comment,0,f1dae5u,,0,1569406940.0,"You've never admitted to being wrong so far. Are you saying as much, or not? Because if it's the former, then you were just wrong by jumping the gun. If it's the latter, then yes of course it's bad faith.",2019-09-25 13:22:20 +Comment,1,f1da8q1,,0,1569406822.0,">I outlined several times how you were. + +You pointed out how you thought I was wrong, and then assumed that you can't be wrong in good faith, so yes your 'observations"" were erroneous",2019-09-25 13:20:22 +Comment,0,f1da0xv,,0,1569406653.0,"> I wasn't +> +> + +I outlined several times how you were. + +>Well they are erroneous ""observations"" + +They weren't.",2019-09-25 13:17:33 +Comment,1,f1c1fg9,,0,1569376532.0,">Next time try not to come at things from a place of bad faith. + +I wasn't + +>These aren't accusations, they're observations. + +Well they are erroneous ""observations""",2019-09-25 04:55:32 +Comment,0,f1bapei,,0,1569358270.0,"Next time try not to come at things from a place of bad faith. These aren't accusations, they're observations.",2019-09-24 23:51:10 +Comment,1,f1a4v79,,0,1569314047.0,I'm not sure what you are talking about or why you insist on making false accusations of bad faith? I'm done here,2019-09-24 11:34:07 +Comment,0,f1a4jz8,,0,1569313846.0,">Are you actually saying it's impossible to be wrong without being dishonest? + +So are you walking that comment back now and just couldn't own up to it clean out of pride, or continuing the bad faith? + +Because if it's the former, then I respect it. I've been an ass. If it's the latter, then I'll press on.",2019-09-24 11:30:46 +Comment,1,f1a3zvw,,0,1569313513.0,">You can't be doing that *and* insisting on one strictly incorrect interpretation of OP's wording in the title. + +Are you actually saying it's impossible to be wrong without being dishonest?",2019-09-24 11:25:13 +Comment,0,f1a3v3w,,0,1569313433.0,">but I AM arguing in good faith + +You can't be doing that *and* insisting on one strictly incorrect interpretation of OP's wording in the title. + +>I'm not interested in continuing discussion which someone who derails the conversation by insisting otherwise. + +You *constantly* divert time and energy to go out of your way and *not* talk about the ""argument"". Which appears to just simply be ""OP wrong"" because you read it that way. + +But if you want to stop...then stop already. If you want to start...then get to it. I've done nothing but engage what you've said consistently and you've done nothing but shy away from any real talk time and time again.",2019-09-24 11:23:53 +Comment,1,f1a1t2a,,0,1569312128.0,"I have been arguing honestly the whole time, I'm not interested in continuing discussion which someone who derails the conversation by insisting otherwise. If you think I'm wrong that's fine, but I AM arguing in good faith",2019-09-24 11:02:08 +Comment,0,f1a0wp3,,0,1569311542.0,"Eh, that's fine. I'm sure I'll see you around. Minor correction, though: + +>you seem to be misconstruing that confusion as bad-faith argument + +They're quite separate and I've kept them distinct. Your confusion has come after the bad faith argument you've put forth over and over. I'm not quite sure what you're confused about as I think the comments flow quite fine on revisiting, but if you don't want to know then that's that.",2019-09-24 10:52:22 +Comment,1,f18ekxu,,0,1569285372.0,"I am not interesting in continuing this conversation if it is going to be personal like this. Your responses are leaving me increasingly confused, and you seem to be misconstruing that confusion as bad-faith argument, so this conversation is now pointless",2019-09-24 03:36:12 +Comment,0,f18ch1f,,0,1569284533.0,"> I'm just asking you not to speculate that I am somehow engaging in bad faith + +I'm not speculating. That's what you're doing over and over. *Why* you're doing that is the speculation, but I never tried to put a label on that. + +>I've seen people on here saying that unless all vaccinated people have autism vaccines cant cause it, that's what I thought OP was implying and why I corrected him, **maybe I misinterpreted him**, but if so you can point that out without all the weird speculation about my motives + +At the least you're dealing with a strawman. There simply isn't enough substance to even gather that from the title. I've already pointed that out separately. That you keep doing it is what is bizarre especially without actually expanding or tying it in to any substantive conversation. + +>I don't even know what having ""a chip on your shoulder with vaccines"" means + +Are you familiar with the [idiom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_on_shoulder)? I'm basically saying you're always trying to prove something, and usually not literally about the topic at hand. + +>I downvoted you because you tried to derail the conversation into accusations about my motives + +That's not what downvotes are for, even if we take that explanation at face value. Comments and threads can evolve in scope. If you don't want to go there, then stop engaging on that point. + +Besides, I never accused you of specific motives. That is, *again*, your misinterpreting of my comment. And you've been doing a lot of that lately. This wraps back around to the idea you have a chip on your shoulder.",2019-09-24 03:22:13 +Comment,1,f17m1yf,,0,1569273804.0,"Throwing a fit here? I'm just asking you not to speculate that I am somehow engaging in bad faith + +>Are you *really* trying to tell me that OP's offhanded wordchoice is something you want to come and correct? It's not wrong, just ambiguous. + +I've seen people on here saying that unless all vaccinated people have autism vaccines cant cause it, that's what I thought OP was implying and why I corrected him, maybe I misinterpreted him, but if so you can point that out without all the weird speculation about my motives + +>Why you have such a chip on your shoulder with vaccines I don't know. + +I don't even know what having ""a chip on your shoulder with vaccines"" means + +>If you're going to be an ass and just downvote me because you're upset + +I downvoted you because you tried to derail the conversation into accusations about my motives",2019-09-24 00:23:24 +Comment,0,f17l7dt,,0,1569273437.0,">Maybe I did, could you clarify? + +I said that, for whatever reason, you *wanted* what OP said in the title to be wrong. I think you took that as me saying you wanted him to be wrong, as in that vaccines cause ASD. + +>All i'm trying to ""shut down"" is a ridiculous diversion into false speculation about my motives for saying the title is wrong + +Yeah, exactly what I thought. Like I don't get you. Why did you come to this thread? Are you *really* trying to tell me that OP's offhanded wordchoice is something you want to come and correct? It's not wrong, just ambiguous. And there's literally no greater principle to clarify or talk about...because we already did that and you weren't interested. + +> the reason I think it is wrong is because if vaccines caused something it could affect 1 in 1 million kids or 1 in 5, or anywhere in between + +And the reason *you* are wrong is because: **that would still be discernable in the rate**. It took you this long to say it and when you finally do it's not even contradictory as I've been saying this whole time. Why you have such a chip on your shoulder with vaccines I don't know. + +If you're going to be an ass and just downvote me because you're upset, why are you here? You're the one who will be the first to tell people to calm down and be reasonable and yet you're just throwing a fit here.",2019-09-24 00:17:17 +Comment,1,f17k8df,,0,1569273029.0,">You clearly misunderstood what I said + +Maybe I did, could you clarify? + +>if you're going to shut down like this + +All i'm trying to ""shut down"" is a ridiculous diversion into false speculation about my motives for saying the title is wrong, the reason I think it is wrong is because if vaccines caused something it could affect 1 in 1 million kids or 1 in 5, or anywhere in between",2019-09-24 00:10:29 +Comment,0,f17jsie,,0,1569272780.0,"You clearly misunderstood what I said. If you're going to shut down like this then what's the point of starting these conversations? You clearly had no intention of actually having a discussion and must have just arrived here by word search. + +OP isn't wrong and you trying to insist as much is tiring. Go somewhere else already.",2019-09-24 00:06:20 +Comment,1,f16d81l,,0,1569237784.0,"yes I can answer it, and the answer is that your speculation about my motives is just wrong",2019-09-23 14:23:04 +Comment,1,f15xzeq,,0,1569227131.0,"I dunno, how would I know? That's something only you can answer.",2019-09-23 11:25:31 +Comment,1,f15r1rx,,0,1569223530.0,Why would I want it to be wrong?,2019-09-23 10:25:30 +Comment,0,f15ea8b,,0,1569217632.0,Op just mentions ASD rate offhandedly in the post title. As far as I can tell there's no justification for your reading other than just wanting it to be wrong to begin with. There's several ways it's entirely correct and I don't get the discussion value in assuming the opposite.,2019-09-23 08:47:12 +Comment,1,f14itio,,0,1569204567.0,"OP isn't talking about any trend in autism rate, he is just saying that if vaccines caused autism autism would be more common, which doesn't make sense, as some side effects are common and others are rare",2019-09-23 05:09:27 +Comment,1,f13erv4,,0,1569188052.0,I'm still not seeing a problem,2019-09-23 00:34:12 +Comment,1,f11bq1y,,0,1569152297.0,"Everything you said makes sense, about how changes, or lack thereof, in the rate of autism can be used to test a hypothesis about the cause of autism. What OP said is that the absolute rate could be used to tell if it was caused by vaccines, which is what I was saying didn't make sense",2019-09-22 14:38:17 +Comment,1,f1118hh,,0,1569148645.0,">but OP appears to be saying that the rate itself shows that vaccines aren't the cause, which makes no sense + +How does that not make sense? I just mentioned three different ways in which that can be used to test an anti-vaxx hypothesis.",2019-09-22 13:37:25 +Comment,1,f110h2h,,0,1569148373.0,"Obviously changes is autism rate, or lack thereof, could prove or disprove hypotheses about vaccines causing it, but OP appears to be saying that the rate itself shows that vaccines aren't the cause, which makes no sense",2019-09-22 13:32:53 +Comment,1,f10zchq,,0,1569147966.0,"Depends on the specific hypothesis. If it's organic mercury, its inclusion and then removal from vaccines should be preceding a similar trend in ASD diagnosis. If it's alum or just antigen, then we would expect an increase depending on age or decrease over time, respectively + +There's no anti-vaxx hypothesis in which ASD rate remains constant across the time periods we can reliably analyze.",2019-09-22 13:26:06 +Comment,2,f10yp1q,,0,1569147723.0,"The Mawson study (not Mawsom, as the picture says) is not really a study. It's an online poll that specifically sought out anti-vaxx parents to be the ""unvaxxed"" population in their survey. Asking questions such as how frequently their child was sick over the course of many years from memory. No medical records were required for proof of non-vaccine status, proof of illness (or lack thereof) and so forth. + +You'll see it frequently touted by anti-vaxxers as the *only* study that investigates ""totally unvaxxed"" children compared to the general population. It's simply a joke. There's no way to verify any of the children that are supposedly data points in the study even exist.",2019-09-22 13:22:03 +Comment,1,f10kolw,,0,1569142771.0,">if it were true there would be a higher rate of kids with autism + +How does the rate of kids with autism tell you that vaccines don't cause it?",2019-09-22 11:59:31 +Comment,0,f0zmub7,,0,1569127656.0,">elemental mercury as well as short-chain carbon derivatives are almost always more toxic that higher level mercury complexes due to reduced biochemical interaction opportunities and reduced ligand affinity. + +This is interesting and I actually learned something, I had thought you were saying that elemental mercury was less toxic than all organic mercury, now that you specified long-chain organic mercury it makes more sense",2019-09-22 07:47:36 +Comment,3,f0xvi8r,,0,1569077819.0,"The Mawson study [has been retracted twice.](https://retractionwatch.com/2017/05/08/retracted-vaccine-autism-study-republished/) + +>Both studies surveyed the parents of 666 home-schooled children, 39% of whom where not vaccinated, and concluded that vaccination increased the risk of neurodevelopmental problems, particularly if children were born prematurely. + +Even if it hadn't been retracted, a study group of not even 700 children seems to be a poor basis for statistical analysis. + +""....the CDC (a drug company that owns over 52 patents for vaccines) says they're 'safe and effective'"" is an interesting assertion. This makes it sound as if the CDC is responsible for manufacturing vaccines used in childhood, and is making a profit from it, and somehow the researchers and investigators that are in the employ of the CDC are directly profiting. + +[This site](https://vaxopedia.org/2018/05/19/does-the-cdc-own-any-patents-on-vaccines/) is useful for viewing this assertion in context. Just a quick recap: + +The CDC buys a lot of vaccines from manufacturers for distribution. Aside from perhaps a few extraordinary and obscure experimental vaccines, the CDC does not mass-manufacture vaccines. + +The CDC does hold patents; more specifically, the Department of Health and Human Services holds these patents. Most of these technologies involve the vaccine *technology,* and ostensibly allow the government to control intellectual property such that what researchers have developed on the public dollar don't end up being capitalized by industry, where the price would get marked up. + +But I would generally recommend reading the whole darned page, not just my summary.",2019-09-21 17:56:59 +Comment,2,f0xlalj,,0,1569065243.0,"I'd rather not summarize what Snopes already says. Snopes.com/news/2017/05/17/vaccine-study-autism + +They essentially cover the sample size, analysis, and variable operationalizing flaws.",2019-09-21 14:27:23 +Comment,-2,f0xkkhb,,0,1569064536.0,"I'm not using it as an insult I'm just describing what I see, also I want to be specific I don't enjoy having to be self conscious of myself is not a ""self-steem"" issue neither but it is necessary to call things by their exact name like for example describing my height is 1.78 mts or my weight etc... + +Someone said thiomersal is removed from some vaccines and it is now recommended to stop being used all together by researches this only proves there's need to be more investigations etc... + +Also just today I saw several transexuals I've no doubts this ""kind of people"" always existed but from year 2005 until today there have been a resurgence at least in my region of course I'm NOT blaming vaccines for this I'm only bringing this controversial subject to illustrate my point there are 'things' being used in large scale affecting general mental health.",2019-09-21 14:15:36 +Comment,3,f0xkdgl,,0,1569064346.0,"I have addressed the accuracy of your comments, this isn't an ad hominem fallacy, you're ignoring my point. My intent was to make it clear that your lack of education on this subject makes you wholly unqualified to discuss it. Your level of education is almost irrelevant when it comes to debating political topics, but this isn't politics. These are concepts people spend their lives studying. + +Simply you saying my table salt analogy was a poor analogy shows that. It's genuinely difficult to accept that you aren't a child or a troll, given how inept you are regarding these concepts, even so delusional that you would correct undebated facts about chemistry and biochemistry. + +>but your claim that elemental mercury is more toxic than organic mercury is simply not true, and the comparison to table salt was a poor analogy + +Explain, because, you need to be pretty specific if you're outright negating the foundations of biochemistry. + +To address your assertion that I'm wrong about mercury, I'm not. Here's an objective fact: elemental mercury as well as short-chain carbon derivatives are almost always more toxic that higher level mercury complexes due to reduced biochemical interaction opportunities and reduced ligand affinity. If you tell me that's wrong, it's clear you just don't know what you're talking about when it comes to this stuff. I'm sure I don't know anything about whatever you got a degree in. This is foundational biochemistry.",2019-09-21 14:12:26 +Comment,2,f0xjg3i,,0,1569063446.0,"I recognize that you mentioned you were somewhere on the spectrum in your post, so I will respectfully decline to respond to you calling me autistic. If you're using it as an insult, I'm sorry you negatively associate that aspect of yourself. You shouldn't. + +As for the ""past"" people tend to bring up, that was before the FDA was overhauled. That was before we could literally see things happening on the cellular level. That was before we could measure mechanotransduction. That was before we could use efficient and accurate x-ray crystallography. Medicinal and biological science as well as regulative policies have increased in complexity and rigidity in the same way telephones have since the 80's.",2019-09-21 13:57:26 +Comment,-2,f0xje1o,,0,1569063392.0,">I'm not attacking you as a person, I am however heavily disagreeing with your willingness to debate topics whose nuances and basics you know little about. +> +>Seriously. How many times have I told you this? Do legitimate research in a legitimate lab or take a legitimate class. That's why there's a difference between a degree in biochemical engineering and doing occasional online research + +You are committing an ad hominem fallacy by attempting to discredit me as a person rather than point out the flaw in my supposedly ignorant comment + +I am aware that toxicity depends on dose, method of delivery, and adjuvants (kudos for recognizing method of delivery, many people ignore than one), but my point remains that exposure to most mercury compounds presents a risk of mercury toxicity, and such compounds are generally hazardous to handle unless extremely dilute + +I agree that vaccines do not cause mercury toxicity, as any mercury in them is a very small amount, but your claim that elemental mercury is more toxic than organic mercury is simply not true, and the comparison to table salt was a poor analogy + +Please address that accuracy of my arguments directly rather than attempt to attack my level of education",2019-09-21 13:56:32 +Comment,-3,f0xj117,,0,1569063046.0,">The implications of what? + +More often than not there have been cases when suppose substances, habits, practices etc... Where the norm and were considered beneficial by consensus in different times in history later to be proven to be damaging in general, usually there were underlaying factors not taken into account, one example the constant use of antibiotics like amoxicillin will cause a surge of resisten bacterias due to mutation and evolution. + +As you seem I'm speaking in general I hope you don't believe vaccines in general are excluded very likely you don't know the full picture still your response gave me many insight that I will take into consideration. + +I called you autistic bc I could sense rage and haughtiness in your post.",2019-09-21 13:50:46 +Comment,4,f0xi5hh,,0,1569062224.0,"I'm not attacking you as a person, I am however heavily disagreeing with your willingness to debate topics whose nuances and basics you know little about. + +Seriously. How many times have I told you this? Do legitimate research in a legitimate lab or take a legitimate class. That's why there's a difference between a degree in biochemical engineering and doing occasional online research. + +You literally cannot can't define toxic without three important parameters: dose, method of delivery, and adjuvants. + +Ok, so palladium catalysts. They're not irelevant. + +Since you are making bold claims about organic chemistry concepts and pointing out supposed errors in my statement, why don't you explain my error in this statement: semi-sterically hindered palladium catalysts can act to cross couple multiple benzene derivatives with weak nucleophilic groups, replacing the bonds through a three-step process of transmetalation, reductive elimination, and oxidative addition, removing the steric group between second and third steps and adding a halogen after the first. + +Your quick expertise in organic chemistry, so quick to point out 'errors,' should very quickly pick this error up.",2019-09-21 13:37:04 +Comment,-3,f0xh8rf,,0,1569061385.0,">the CONCEPT that molecules are NOT the sum of their atomic parts ALWAYS shines through + +Ok, this is true, but thimerosal is still toxic and compounds of toxic heavy metals are still toxic in the VAST majority of cases + +>Do you know what mercuric, gold, or palladium catalysts are? + +Irrelevant but yes, I do + +>Your ignorance shines through your words. + +I am not attacking you personally, just pointing out errors in your statment, so please don't attack me",2019-09-21 13:23:05 +Comment,3,f0xh63f,,0,1569061316.0,">My knowledge with chemistry is next to cero, perhabs you are right certainly you don't fully know or understand the implications + +The implications of what? I apologise of you read it in a sarcastic tone, but that's not the time I tried to convey. Also ""nuances of autism"" isn't a thing people say. + +If you want to get real, let me know. Don't ask about ""mercury"" in vaccines and then negate an actual expert's response. How in the hell would you know next to zero about chemistry and even be able to judge my understanding of ""the implications"" (still not assigned to a specific thing btw.)",2019-09-21 13:21:56 +Comment,7,f0xgwz5,,0,1569061085.0,"It's not a fucking analogy. It's an excerpt from the basics of organic chemistry. I'm %100 certain you've never taken a class in organic chemistry. Your ignorance shines through your words. + +Don't tell me there's a difference between heavy metal toxicity and simple unstable elements. There's a million differences but the CONCEPT that molecules are NOT the sum of their atomic parts ALWAYS shines through. Do you know what mercuric, gold, or palladium catalysts are?",2019-09-21 13:18:05 +Comment,0,f0xgtnk,,0,1569061002.0,">If that's too confusing, I'm sorry. That's the way it is. Hope it helps + +My knowledge with chemistry is next to cero, perhabs you are right certainly you don't fully know or understand the implications. + +I also have to add your response was unnecessary sarcastic, jest, pedantic with nuances of autism.",2019-09-21 13:16:42 +Comment,2,f0xgpyj,,0,1569060911.0,"Certain tetanus shots also have it, and I have seen conflicting things about meningococcal",2019-09-21 13:15:11 +Comment,-4,f0xgof2,,0,1569060873.0,"This isn't right, organic mercury includes *both* thimerosal and methylmercury, and is MORE toxic than elemental mercury, however, thimerosal isn't bad as methylmercury, but is still extremely toxic, except for the fact that very small amounts are used in vaccines, and it has been removed from most vaccines entirely + +There is a huge difference between heavy metal toxicity and simple unstable elements like sodium and chlorine, so this analogy really doesn't work",2019-09-21 13:14:33 +Comment,9,f0xcaiw,,0,1569057018.0,"Thimerosal was [removed from childhood vaccines in 2001.](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html) + +>Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal. + +>Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions. + +The table on [this](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines) page shows which influenza vaccines contain thimerosal, and how much is present.",2019-09-21 12:10:18 +Comment,4,f0xbh9y,,0,1569056310.0,"If only all the anti-vaxxers could read this objectively... +This is a great explanation. Thank you.",2019-09-21 11:58:30 +Comment,11,f0xafxx,,0,1569055382.0,"So a couple things. + +They didn't link fluoride to reduced IQ in children, they found that doses higher than drinking water (and slightly above EATING toothpaste, which it's clear not to) can act as a teratogen and damage the child during a pregnancy. + +Since your post asks about Mercury, I'll explain that a little more. Elemental mercury isn't the same as organic mercury. If your only chemistry background was in high school or not even then, it's understandable that you may not fully understand this. + +Methanol, HOCH3, is extremely poisonous to humans on low doses. Ethanol, HO(CH3)2, so off by just a saturated carbon, is drinking alcohol. Not safe, but not poisonous at moderate doses. That's just a couple atoms. + +A better example might even be oxygen. Breathing in the oxygen you do, diatomic oxygen, O2, is MUCH different than elemental or ionic oxygen. One let's you live, the other rips apart DNA. That's just a couple electrons. + +The best example, as always, is table salt. Sodium in it's elemental,uncharged, +0 state explodes in reaction with water. Chlorine in it's elemental, uncharged form is an incredibly poisonous gas. But guess what? When these are combined, or for specificty's sake, one electron is removed from each, they become a flavorful, harmless salt. That's one electron that separates an explosive sodium with a dissolvable sodium ion. + +In that same spirit, the mercury that used to be in vaccines wasn't in elemental form. It was in this compound. + https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Thiomersal.svg/1200px-Thiomersal.svg.png + +That looks pretty complex, right? The way molecules are structured doesn't allow for atoms to ""be themselves"" when in a compound. Mercury here (in it's +2 state) can't do what we all know elemental mercury, or even worse, methylmercury, can do. It can't just break free and be a dangerous atom. The resonance forms from the ring as well as the heavy metal salt component make it a completely unique compound; not just the sum of its parts. It's much more complex than that. + +If that's too confusing, I'm sorry. That's the way it is. Hope it helps",2019-09-21 11:43:02 +Comment,1,f0wagz0,,0,1569031614.0,Bro tHis is four months old... And if you read the whole thread I apologized for being so pissy,2019-09-21 05:06:54 +Comment,1,f0s8tmz,,0,1568929644.0,"I'm not either, actually. You see, they tell me that Asperger people are very talented in music and art.",2019-09-20 00:47:24 +Comment,1,f0prlt4,,0,1568873917.0,Don't be. I am who I am. It's no ones fault because that's how life is. My hands are already dealt and decide how to make my life to be better. Like you shouldn't be a shame of your autism,2019-09-19 09:18:37 +Comment,1,f0prgp2,,0,1568873632.0,Sorry to hear that,2019-09-19 09:13:52 +Comment,1,f0prfwq,,0,1568873591.0,I frontal cortex epilepsy and slight autism I believe. I had a problem coming out of my mother and had oxygen deprivation. I'm just socially retarded,2019-09-19 09:13:11 +Comment,2,f0pqy6p,,0,1568872737.0,"Ye, it happens when the cerebral cortex (love at the front of the brain) is pairing up neurons (brain cells), just before birth. When something goes wrong in that process, it can lead to problems that affect the baby's social skills. This is called Autismic Spectrum. As someone with Asperger's Syndrome myself, I should know.",2019-09-19 08:58:57 +Comment,1,f0pj72j,,0,1568864613.0,"Um, well I was pretty unbiased looking into the issue... at first I found the low hanging fruit by the CDC and was leaning towards them being more beneficial than not. Then I started going through Suzanne Humphries lectures on her youtube page and many other documentaries and lectures, that's when the scales tipped in the other direction. + +Then I learned that there's never been done a double blind, placebo study of fully vaccinated verses fully unvaccinated. Honestly, I wouldn't vaccinate until a major such study is done by independent researchers. It could be done ethically by doing it on a voluntary basis. Or doing it an a large number of monkeys or what have you. + +Plus the HHS's requested report on how to improve VAERS finding that less than 1% of vaccine related injuries, including death, are even reported. The CDC ignored the results and are invested in the public perception of the vaccination schedule as being very safe. + +Those last two things made me decide not to vaccinate. I'm not really against them though, people can get them as much as they like, I'm merely against authoritarian-vaxxers, those who would mandate vaccination on the unwilling through coercion.",2019-09-19 06:43:33 +Comment,1,f0mallb,,0,1568769416.0,How do decide that the cons/risks of vaccinating are greater than the cons/risks of not? Was there one deciding factor?,2019-09-18 04:16:56 +Comment,1,f0go5s4,,0,1568631860.0,Your welcome!,2019-09-16 14:04:20 +Comment,2,f0gmzlo,,0,1568631264.0,"Thank you, much appreciated!",2019-09-16 13:54:24 +Comment,2,f0gksij,,0,1568630160.0,Dude you know autism is a genetic defect from birth right?,2019-09-16 13:36:00 +Comment,1,f0ghu93,,0,1568628694.0,"The WHO summarizes the conflicting research on this issue:[https://www.who.int/vaccine\_safety/initiative/tools/DTP\_vaccine\_rates\_information\_sheet.pdf?ua=1](https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/DTP_vaccine_rates_information_sheet.pdf?ua=1) + +>The occurrence of encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis vaccination has been an issue of intense scrutiny and debate. Often cited are the National Childhood Encephalopathy Study conducted in UK from 1976 to 1979 and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) report (1994). The initial findings of the National Encephalopathy study were that acute encephalopathy occurred at a rate of 1 per 310,000 to 5,300,000 doses (95% CI 54,000 to 5,310,000). Subsequent investigations and follow-up of the affected children then cast some doubt on these initial findings and demonstrated no increase in the rate of death or other sequelae after a DTwP vaccine (Edwards et al., 2008). However, despite these revised findings this has been an area of ongoing controversy. In 1994, the IOM concluded that “the balance of evidence is consistent with a causal relationship between DTwP and chronic nervous system dysfunction in children whose serious acute neurological illness occurred within 7 days of a DTwP vaccination”. This may imply that the vaccine rarely may trigger such an event in an individual who may be predisposed to develop such a condition because of an underlying abnormality. The IOM committee concluded that the evidence is insufficient to indicate either the presence or absence of a causal relationship between DTwP vaccine and permanent neurological damage (Cowan et al.,1993). More recent studies do not confirm an association between DTwP and acute encephalopathy. A population-based case-control study has evaluated the association between serious acute neurological illness and receipt of whole-cell pertussis vaccine, given as diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTwP) vaccine. The estimated odds ratio for children with encephalopathy or complicated seizures was 3.6 (95% CI, 0.8 to 15.2). The study concluded that there was no statistically significant increased risk of serious acute neurological illness in the 7 days after DTwP vaccine exposure (Gale et al., 1994). A retrospective case-control study performed at four health maintenance organizations by examining children aged 0 to 6 years who were hospitalized with encephalopathy or related conditions determined that cases were no more likely than controls to have received a DTwP vaccine during the 90 days before disease onset. When encephalopathy of known etiology was excluded, the odds ratio for case children having received DTP within 7 days before onset of disease was 1.22 (95% CI, 0.45-3.31, P = 0.693) compared with control children. The study concluded that DTwP vaccination was not associated with an increased risk of encephalopathy (Ray et al., 2006).",2019-09-16 13:11:34 +Comment,2,f0ggfo3,,0,1568628015.0,Can you direct me to that study on dtp and brain damage?,2019-09-16 13:00:15 +Comment,1,f0g686p,,0,1568623159.0,Wow I really love how everyone in this comment section is typing out long ass responses to strangers they will probably never encounter again,2019-09-16 11:39:19 +Comment,1,f0g5k0y,,0,1568622825.0,Ok so dude I support your view on vaccines being good but dude you needa stop being so toxic towards everyone in your own thread’s comment section,2019-09-16 11:33:45 +Comment,2,f0g1kg3,,0,1568621057.0,"When people realized that DTP caused brain damage in some cases in the 80s some people speculated that this could manifest as autism, but it could have started before that, when Leo Kanner first described autism in 1944, he noted that one of the autistic children became autistic 1 month after a smallpox vaccine, while there wasn't evidence that the vaccine caused the autism, he did make a connection",2019-09-16 11:04:17 +Comment,2,f0g0sx6,,0,1568620719.0,Where did the idea start?,2019-09-16 10:58:39 +Comment,2,ez62tzp,,0,1567737324.0,Well yes technically it isn’t safe. But what is? You can literally die from oxygen yet we live off of it.,2019-09-06 05:35:24 +Comment,1,eyn2gtz,,0,1567257410.0,She will not be swayed. And won't look at any factual evidence I provide. Apparently Facebook memes are more qualified than doctors.,2019-08-31 16:16:50 +Comment,1,eyk5llr,,0,1567166447.0,"He got his license back, only one other doctor that helped with the study lost their license and fought to get it back without much of a battle, because he was able to get it back",2019-08-30 15:00:47 +Comment,1,ey3qc6w,,0,1566799737.0,"The formaldehyde I don't think is a concern at all in the dosage of a vaccine, but you still can't assume that anything safe to eat is safe to inject, this just isn't a valid argument without addressing the specific effects of that chemical.",2019-08-26 09:08:57 +Comment,3,ey3490b,,0,1566783789.0,"It is somewhat silly to say it is meaningless. For instance when antivaxxers say there is formaldehyde in vaccines, ***they usually don't even give a dosage****.* The Op gave the dosage and compared it to bananas. Then you complain because the OP failed to make an adjustment for how much of the formaldehyde in the bananas was not absorbed. Since [most formaldehyde is absorbed by the GI tract,](https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mmg/mmg.asp?id=216&tid=39) this seems to be picking at straws.",2019-08-26 04:43:09 +Comment,1,ey2ng43,,0,1566772734.0,">However scientists have studied the dosages of these substances in vaccines and found them safe at the low amounts used. + +That may be true, but the comparison is still meaningless",2019-08-26 01:38:54 +Comment,2,ey2d98d,,0,1566764458.0,"And of course, he worked was already a centre for children with both bowel problems and behavioural difficulties. It's not like he encountered random children with those two things and MMR in common. And with MMR already being a vaccine given as standard to children, simply saying ""I've found these 12 children with both bowel problems and behavioural problems and 8 of them were given MMR"" proves nothing. There was no control group. It's like a doctor at a clinic for deaf children with diabetes saying ""I've found some children with both deafness and diabetes and most of the were issued birth certificates, therefore birth certificates cause deafness and diabetes"".",2019-08-25 23:20:58 +Comment,2,ey2bxoc,,0,1566762997.0,"You are right that the analogy is not perfect, as injection and ingestion do have different effects. Ingested foods are often only partially absorbed into the blood stream. However scientists have studied the dosages of these substances in vaccines and found them safe at the low amounts used.",2019-08-25 22:56:37 +Comment,0,ey1b9bt,,0,1566723722.0,"The comparison between the amount in food and the amount in vaccines isn't good because injection and ingestion have different effects on the body in some cases + +Also, aluminum is an adjuvant, not a preservative",2019-08-25 12:02:02 +Comment,2,ey1av9p,,0,1566723399.0,"This isn't where the idea that vaccines cause autism started, but this ""study"" did make the idea much more widespread",2019-08-25 11:56:39 +Comment,1,exjybbt,,0,1566393509.0,Me too 🙃,2019-08-21 16:18:29 +Comment,1,exj88i5,,0,1566372941.0,I Iove that channel!,2019-08-21 10:35:41 +Comment,2,exh341f,,0,1566317476.0,"On youtube search: + “Vaccines Kurzgesagt”",2019-08-20 19:11:16 +Comment,1,ewvw74x,,0,1565844050.0,"M +M m",2019-08-15 07:40:50 +Comment,2,ewpkhto,,0,1565671939.0,https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B7TZbvFPUhquY3NIelYxUXJVRFU,2019-08-13 07:52:19 +Comment,1,ewip962,,0,1565482819.0,This video is great. Thank you. I shared it. I can only hope now.,2019-08-11 03:20:19 +Comment,2,ewimhqb,,0,1565481226.0,https://youtu.be/loL_iIWltI0,2019-08-11 02:53:46 +Comment,1,ewim45m,,0,1565480994.0,"Well, neither was that lady until reality hit",2019-08-11 02:49:54 +Comment,2,ewij2l0,,0,1565479118.0,That's awful man. I tried showing her a story where someone actually lost their child from not getting vaxxed but she wasn't receptive.,2019-08-11 02:18:38 +Comment,2,ewif3rr,,0,1565476542.0,Try using this mom as an [example](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/04/14/anti-vax-mom-changes-her-tune-when-all-7-of-her-children-come-down-with-whooping-cough/),2019-08-11 01:35:42 +Comment,1,ewc0vtp,,0,1565304468.0,"The herd-immunity concept is based on a faulty assumption that vaccination elicits in an individual a state equivalent to bona fide immunity (life-long resistance to viral infection). As with any garbage in-garbage out type of theory, the expectations of the herd-immunity theory are bound to fail in the real world.",2019-08-09 01:47:48 +Comment,1,ew60c6p,,0,1565178757.0,"Vaccines often cause a small fever in babies. It’s a result of the immune system doing its job. The fever in itself isn’t bad. But some babies *already* have epilepsy but haven’t had their fist seizure. A fever can trigger the first seizure. + +Now, this would have happened eventually when the kid got a cold or an ear infection. + +The vaccine didn’t cause his epilepsy. It did *possibly* however trigger his first seizure.",2019-08-07 14:52:37 +Comment,2,ew2mmw0,,0,1565079344.0,No he said the opposite of what i said. Ive told you twice. Youre not a shill youre a child.,2019-08-06 11:15:44 +Comment,1,ew2l4mf,,0,1565078264.0,I wasn't and you did nothing to disprove them or me. But keep being angry that we don't want to die from outdated diseases.,2019-08-06 10:57:44 +Comment,2,ew2koqr,,0,1565077944.0,You were wrong. You tried to act like you knew what you were talking about. YOU tried to talk shit and defend him. Now youre shilling exactly like him and changing the subject.,2019-08-06 10:52:24 +Comment,1,ew2kimj,,0,1565077817.0,"Oh man you're really good at Internet conversations I want to keep this one up forever. + +Insult me more Daddy!",2019-08-06 10:50:17 +Comment,2,ew2k4hr,,0,1565077531.0,"Yes, bitch, the shill went the opposite direction of what i said. Are you as retarded as them?",2019-08-06 10:45:31 +Comment,1,ew2hnfn,,0,1565075739.0,No you didn't you just repeated what you had already said. The other poster and you very pointed and specific questions and you didn't even try to answer them.,2019-08-06 10:15:39 +Comment,2,ew1gcub,,0,1565051611.0,Youre an idiot . i gave you an exact answer.,2019-08-06 03:33:31 +Comment,4,ew0ve2k,,0,1565036253.0,So you don't have an answer to any of those questions just now non answers chasing your tail around?,2019-08-05 23:17:33 +Comment,-6,ew0gznc,,0,1565017317.0,"People with (not natural) immunity get the diseases😒😒😒😒 + +Edit. Scaredy cats",2019-08-05 18:01:57 +Comment,5,ew0eeti,,0,1565014158.0,"The titer test tests you for antobodies for a certain disease to see if you have immunity against it. How can you say then they are not immunity, and if they aren't a form of immunity, what are they, why are they also called immunoglobins, and why are they the immune system's main way of fighting diseases?",2019-08-05 17:09:18 +Comment,-4,ew0e8ld,,0,1565013957.0,ANTIBODIES ARE NOT IMMUNITY,2019-08-05 17:05:57 +Comment,6,ew0dwoe,,0,1565013581.0,">One has to know that excessive antibodies start killing other things when the disease they were made for is gone + +So you are basically saying that the ""natural immunity"" was lost over time, which proves that argument you use is as shit as People make it look. That immunity must stay there to barely even count if you want them to be fought back in the future",2019-08-05 16:59:41 +Comment,-6,evznk6a,,0,1564991101.0,"Antibodies are too high. This comes from not knowing acience. Their initial unstinct were correct but thats not enough nowadays. One has to know that excessive antibodies start killing other things when the disease they were made for is gone. 10 is the healthy number. + + +Both of you are tricked equally",2019-08-05 10:45:01 +Comment,1,evz5nlx,,0,1564978348.0,"I don't vaccinate, ask me anything.",2019-08-05 07:12:28 +Comment,1,evf00km,,0,1564513476.0,"Thanks, I’ll try it out",2019-07-30 22:04:36 +Comment,2,evead41,,0,1564489246.0,"As a pro-vaxxer, if you can endure getting called a shill and answering the same arguments over and over, but to different people, go to r/VaxTalk. It's quarantined, but it's not terrible at all.",2019-07-30 15:20:46 +Comment,1,ev9typw,,0,1564359999.0,"if you work in microbiology I'm sure you can give some references that cannot be easily denied but just bringing statements doesn't help in these discussions. + +. +and getting angry and insulting doesn't help too, it just helps people believe in antivaxx. + +. +sorry that I didn't bring any additional content but if you want to help the population you have to behave in a way that people believe you.",2019-07-29 03:26:39 +Comment,1,ev9s09i,,0,1564358579.0,"Ok, I was wrong, apologies, I have now deleted the comments.",2019-07-29 03:02:59 +Comment,1,ev9ikmr,,0,1564351572.0,"You've been emotionally manipulated and feared into thinking vaccines are preventing a plague. + +Keep up the delusion of wishful thinking and appeals to emotion!",2019-07-29 01:06:12 +Comment,1,ev7rtfn,,0,1564292316.0,"Here's a sneak peek of /r/BabyBumps using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/top/?sort=top&t=year) of the year! + +\#1: [No one cares about your baby as much as you do*](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/comments/9w3jxl/no_one_cares_about_your_baby_as_much_as_you_do/) +\#2: [For the ladies who dont have instagram worthy nurseries- this was what we had going at 39 weeks pregnant. 😂](https://i.redd.it/8d9lavaqdp321.jpg) | [277 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/comments/a5a96f/for_the_ladies_who_dont_have_instagram_worthy/) +\#3: [When his family expects to be there for birth](https://imgur.com/5ksg2i5.jpg) | [292 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/BabyBumps/comments/aid0ee/when_his_family_expects_to_be_there_for_birth/) + +---- +^^I'm ^^a ^^bot, ^^beep ^^boop ^^| ^^Downvote ^^to ^^remove ^^| [^^Contact ^^me](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=sneakpeekbot) ^^| [^^Info](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/) ^^| [^^Opt-out](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/comments/ciakte/blacklist_vi/)",2019-07-28 08:38:36 +Comment,1,ev7rse4,,0,1564292305.0,"Yeah I've run into them quite a bit, but they typically don't engage with me anymore. Normally she goes around searching for vaccine terms, places like /r/babybumps and tries to instill anti-vaxx rhetoric in variously cloaked or transparent ways. + +There's a couple others too that you can find if you profile dive me. If you went to a 2 month old thread you might like that ;)",2019-07-28 08:38:25 +Comment,1,ev7gmmp,,0,1564288283.0,I applaud you good sir. You made a (who I assume to be an) Anti-Vaxxer rage quit.,2019-07-28 07:31:23 +Comment,1,etvh4dn,,0,1563264056.0,Haha,2019-07-16 11:00:56 +Comment,1,etvg5aj,,0,1563263327.0,Haha,2019-07-16 10:48:47 +Comment,1,etstttl,,0,1563184159.0,"Idk... I'm kinda sick of this whole sub, sorry about that",2019-07-15 12:49:19 +Comment,1,etspdhn,,0,1563180609.0,"I do understand vaccines are healthy, and I never said or alluded to me being superior to you or anybody else in any way. And you asked for my IQ, don't act like I just stated, ""Yes, my IQ is over 2000."" I stated that I wanted to understand why anti-vaxxers believe what they believe, not that I didn't understand vaccines were healthy without contrary proof. Why are you being so argumentative?",2019-07-15 11:50:09 +Comment,1,etrnq43,,0,1563153963.0,"r/iamverysmart +You would think your oh so very high IQ would mean you possess some intelligence, such as understanding vaccines are healthy without seeking contrary proofs, but it is simply an excuse to have a superiority complex.",2019-07-15 04:26:03 +Comment,2,etrnjuh,,0,1563153852.0,...good point.,2019-07-15 04:24:12 +Comment,1,etrngxu,,0,1563153802.0,"Okay. Answering a question with a question. + +My IQ, though kinda irrelevant, is in the high 130's, possibly a bit higher, possibly a bit lower. + +I found this sub today, trying to find a non-joke anti-vac community, so I could better understand their line of thinking. I, personally, am pro-vaccine, but I don't think people against vaccines want their children to die, nor do I think that they're all retards. + +Finally: my question was a joke. If you didn't get it, then sorry, I guess? IDK what to tell you.",2019-07-15 04:23:22 +Comment,1,etr0moe,,0,1563137793.0,Question: where's your IQ? Do you support this sub?,2019-07-14 23:56:33 +Comment,1,etqjbj0,,0,1563116342.0,How many people have you asked that you think it's common?,2019-07-14 17:59:02 +Comment,1,etqgdpi,,0,1563112711.0,People actually think that? I thought murcury being in vaccines was common knowledge.,2019-07-14 16:58:31 +Comment,1,etqg58a,,0,1563112439.0,Question: what's a vacvime?,2019-07-14 16:53:59 +Comment,1,etqfr6v,,0,1563111988.0,And here we see the mythical grammar Nazi. I was starting to worry I was the only one. Have a nice day.,2019-07-14 16:46:28 +Comment,1,etpc0ou,,0,1563080134.0,"> To care about a websites name and not about the facts + +I don't care about its name, I care only about all the misleading and downright false things that are on it. + +> Because I'm not afraid to find things out, I want to believe as many true things and as little false + +That's great, it's a very healthy attitude to have. + +I'd recommend working on some introductory biology classes, there's lots of open courseware-type materials from real universities out there",2019-07-14 07:55:34 +Comment,2,etopx4e,,0,1563063281.0,"Oops, looks like I forgot the link to my post, here it is [https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/bxcm8p/a\_unique\_perspective\_on\_the\_vaccine\_controversy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccineDiscussion/comments/bxcm8p/a_unique_perspective_on_the_vaccine_controversy/)",2019-07-14 03:14:41 +Comment,2,eto0n3m,,0,1563036768.0,Thank you!,2019-07-13 19:52:48 +Comment,3,etm9ymn,,0,1562984073.0,"r/DebateVaccines, which is a large sub that is becoming mostly antivax, and r/VaccineDiscussion, a smaller sub that has people from both sides + +Here is my post explaining why some people are antivax, based on my experience (I used to be antivax)",2019-07-13 05:14:33 +Comment,4,etm0dwi,,0,1562978117.0,R/conspiracy maybe? They seem to be in that sub more than any where else on reddit.,2019-07-13 03:35:17 +Comment,1,etig2pm,,0,1562877810.0,"Thank you. I really do stress myself out over it. It's important but also very stressful and difficult. + +I'm going to take a holiday soon and just clear my mind and body from the amount of ignorance, insults, and blindness from the pro Vaccine zealots. + +I stay up and took time from home work for this shit. It's time for me to sum up and take a break I think",2019-07-11 23:43:30 +Comment,2,etifisf,,0,1562877365.0,"I don’t know how you do it man. I had a brain aneurysm arguing with people who say they have done research, trying to convince me that All my info was wrong even tho I was literally pulling everything from government websites. “Oh, you don’t know how to research and those aren’t peer reviewed studies.” 🙄🙄🙄 Oh I forgot. The government doesn’t know what it’s doing so I shouldn’t quote from their websites. But I should definitely get vaccinated because the government says it’s healthy. I applaud your efforts. Keep growing.",2019-07-11 23:36:05 +Comment,1,etifb0h,,0,1562877198.0,"Half are about autism, sone are about brain damage, some are about how vaccine causes the damage.",2019-07-11 23:33:18 +Comment,1,etibrch,,0,1562874147.0,"We were discussing evidence that human vaccines cause autism. You are doing a Gish gallop, providing lots of articles that are not about autism. You could provide me with a 1000 articles, but the quality is so low they mean nothing.",2019-07-11 22:42:27 +Comment,1,etf0lur,,0,1562784427.0,"So you just ignored the 25 other sites? + +I linked that one because ageofautism is actually going to be one of the only unbiased towards discrediting Andrew Wakefield. + +To care about a websites name and not about the facts is a great and obvious way of avoiding the things you don't want to hear, by not listening to the opposing side, by not entering an open minded state, by avoiding reading what you might find uncomfortable and cognitively difficult. + +I as an anti vaxxer, always look at CDC, FDA, vaxyourkids.org, who, getvaccinated.org, immuniseyourkids.org, vaccinesaresafe.org, vaxopedia.org and the guardian. + + +Because I'm not afraid to find things out, I want to believe as many true things and as little false.. And not looking at opposing sites isn't going to get me to that point. + +I'm not afraid to read into what people say against me, because it's better to find out what they're saying, creating a steep man father than making a strawman.",2019-07-10 21:47:07 +Comment,2,ete3a5d,,0,1562750632.0,"> Because apparently it's better than the plague that's supposed to happen if we don't vaccinate. + +measles, pertussis, and any of the literally hundreds of vaccine-preventable illnesses are killing and permanently injuring people every second of every day, right now, and it's getting worse. + +Why do you think that outbreaks of measles are concentrated around neighborhoods with a low % of immunizations, and incidence of outbreaks increases with a decrease in the vaccination rate? + +Like, I would genuinely like to know why you think that might be. It's something that's happening right now in the real world. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oZrMGDMMw + +> Also, okay, it's like... maybe stop causing autism and we'll take your vaccines.. but why can't you let us investigate it and fix it? Oh that's right, because we might find out you've lied over and over and over, covered up soo much data, ignored so many scientists, discredited respectable information and studies.. + +what",2019-07-10 12:23:52 +Comment,3,ete1rne,,0,1562749543.0,"Is Age of Autism ""real science and facts"" to you?",2019-07-10 12:05:43 +Comment,-2,etdxtbs,,0,1562746710.0,">1) why are you getting so defensive about a youtube link? Did I say anything disparaging about learning through Youtube? Calm down. + +Because for some reason most people say to me ""yeah a bunch of YouTube videos are really good proof"" and it's like they are!! If they contain Evidence and science. + +>2) i never said Andrew Wakefield was jailed. But he did lose his medical license and has been discredited over and over again. + +Again, discredited doesn't mean fairly discredited. + +I can discredit Einstein all I want doesn't make him wrong. + +>3) you lose all credibility if you bring up Andrew Wakefield in any anti-vax argumen + +Well only if of course you believe that Andrew Wakefield was wrong. And even if he was, it still doesn't discredit my argument because that would be a fallacy of containment.. because something contains a false piece of information, doesn't mean that the rest is also false. + +It's just an easy way for you to ignore and to rationalize not being reasonable. + +>) not interested in reading any of your links. Are any of them links to credible peer-reviewed studies? If not, then don't waste your time posting them to me. + +Well, if you bothered to check, nearly all of them were peer reviewed. + +Andrew Wakefields paper was peer reviewed 12 times. And stayed published for 5 years, and then suddenly it was retracted.. as soon as it got mainstream.. hmmm strange that one..",2019-07-10 11:18:30 +Comment,5,etdw02k,,0,1562745427.0,"1) why are you getting so defensive about a youtube link? Did I say anything disparaging about learning through Youtube? Calm down. + +2) i never said Andrew Wakefield was jailed. But he did lose his medical license and has been discredited over and over again. + +3) you lose all credibility if you bring up Andrew Wakefield in any anti-vax argument. + +4) not interested in reading any of your links. Are any of them links to credible peer-reviewed studies? If not, then don't waste your time posting them to me.",2019-07-10 10:57:07 +Comment,-1,etdrcye,,0,1562742123.0,"1) Autism is not ***just***... genetic, it's a behavioural diagnostic term for anything that leads to its criteria, such as brain damage, gut health, biology etc.. Or, genetic abnormalities. Or, environment. + +It's a biomedical, neuropsychiatric, and environmental disorder. + +https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190530101143.htm + +https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/study-kids-autism-have-fewer-kinds-gut-bacteria + +https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/faecal-transplant-may-help-children-autism-study-suggests/ + +https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325338.php + +https://newatlas.com/autism-gut-microbiome-gene-fecal-transplant/59931/ + +2) Various vaccine → damage links. + +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763 + +https://www.theepochtimes.com/vax-unvax-study-of-mice-implicates-hepatitis-b-vaccine-media-silent_2529678.html + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-study-of-mice-links-hepatitis-b-vaccine-to-autism/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27501128/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/two-vaccines-opposite-effects-brain/ + +https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2018/08/18/aluminum-in-the-brain-in-multiple-sclerosis-regulatory-and-funding-agencies-silent-complicit/ + +https://talks.ox.ac.uk/talks/id/b8a108e2-caba-47d5-8ee1-7a68085f2457/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868131/ + +https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/a-lone-fda-scientist-could-end-the-autism-epidemic/ + +https://www.naturalstacks.com/blogs/news/vaccines + +https://helenlobato.com/2018/12/08/aluminium-found-in-granulomas-and-lymph-nodes-of-sheep-after-vaccination-a-wake-up-call-like-no-other/ + +https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300985818809142?journalCode=vetb + +https://youtu.be/FfTo35UrFPA (yes a dreaded YouTube video, my goodness, what's next, a still image of a webpage that displays text? Oh my it's just a medium to present information for fucks sake). + +https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/high-aluminum-found-autism-brain-tissue/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/high-aluminum-content-autistic-brains/ + +3) Andrew Wakefield, who was actually never charged for falsifying data, that was Brian Deer's successful attempt at discrediting, attacking, and misrepresenting his opponent, and a claim that he spread to the masses, such that today, we have people still believing Andrew was jailed, and falsified and lied and made up data. When none of this is true. + +https://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/time-to-revisit-deers-claims-that-wakefield-fabricated-his-findings.html + + + +Extra) + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2017/minnesota-somalis-have-worlds-highest-rate-of-autism-mmr-vaccine-link/ +(ignore first image, I disagree with it, because vaccines are used in the dozens of MILLIONS whereas measles only occurred in the dozens of thousands (although we don't know for sure, since diagnosis of measles is difficult for doctors that rarely ever experienced measles prevelancy).",2019-07-10 10:02:03 +Comment,-2,etdrb99,,0,1562742091.0,"Because apparently it's better than the plague that's supposed to happen if we don't vaccinate. + + +Also, okay, it's like... maybe stop causing autism and we'll take your vaccines.. but why can't you let us investigate it and fix it? Oh that's right, because we might find out you've lied over and over and over, covered up soo much data, ignored so many scientists, discredited respectable information and studies.. + +Oh and also, we want to keep the population trusting in our products and keep our delusion that we are doing a great job to humanity!! + +Haha, g'day!",2019-07-10 10:01:31 +Comment,6,etdr0i8,,0,1562741885.0,"Hey, diirtnap, just a quick heads-up: +**alot** is actually spelled **a lot**. You can remember it by **it is one lot, 'a lot'**. +Have a nice day! + +^^^^The ^^^^parent ^^^^commenter ^^^^can ^^^^reply ^^^^with ^^^^'delete' ^^^^to ^^^^delete ^^^^this ^^^^comment.",2019-07-10 09:58:05 +Comment,-5,etdqzqj,,0,1562741870.0,"1) Autism is not ***just***... genetic, it's a behavioural diagnostic term for anything that leads to its criteria, such as brain damage, gut health, biology etc.. Or, genetic abnormalities. Or, environment. + +It's a biomedical, neuropsychiatric, and environmental disorder. + +https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190530101143.htm + +https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/study-kids-autism-have-fewer-kinds-gut-bacteria + +https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/faecal-transplant-may-help-children-autism-study-suggests/ + +https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325338.php + +https://newatlas.com/autism-gut-microbiome-gene-fecal-transplant/59931/ + +2) Various vaccine → damage links. + +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763 + +https://www.theepochtimes.com/vax-unvax-study-of-mice-implicates-hepatitis-b-vaccine-media-silent_2529678.html + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-study-of-mice-links-hepatitis-b-vaccine-to-autism/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27501128/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/two-vaccines-opposite-effects-brain/ + +https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2018/08/18/aluminum-in-the-brain-in-multiple-sclerosis-regulatory-and-funding-agencies-silent-complicit/ + +https://talks.ox.ac.uk/talks/id/b8a108e2-caba-47d5-8ee1-7a68085f2457/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868131/ + +https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/a-lone-fda-scientist-could-end-the-autism-epidemic/ + +https://www.naturalstacks.com/blogs/news/vaccines + +https://helenlobato.com/2018/12/08/aluminium-found-in-granulomas-and-lymph-nodes-of-sheep-after-vaccination-a-wake-up-call-like-no-other/ + +https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0300985818809142?journalCode=vetb + +https://youtu.be/FfTo35UrFPA (yes a dreaded YouTube video, my goodness, what's next, a still image of a webpage that displays text? Oh my it's just a medium to present information for fucks sake). + +https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/high-aluminum-found-autism-brain-tissue/ + +http://vaccinepapers.org/high-aluminum-content-autistic-brains/ + +3) Andrew Wakefield, who was actually never charged for falsifying data, that was Brian Deer's successful attempt at discrediting, attacking, and misrepresenting his opponent, and a claim that he spread to the masses, such that today, we have people still believing Andrew was jailed, and falsified and lied and made up data. When none of this is true. + +https://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/time-to-revisit-deers-claims-that-wakefield-fabricated-his-findings.html + + + +Extra) + +https://healthimpactnews.com/2017/minnesota-somalis-have-worlds-highest-rate-of-autism-mmr-vaccine-link/ +(ignore first image, I disagree with it, because vaccines are used in the dozens of MILLIONS whereas measles only occurred in the dozens of thousands (although we don't know for sure, since diagnosis of measles is difficult for doctors that rarely ever experienced measles prevelancy). + +Summary) + +Well, many many scientists believe vaccines aren't safe, and believe there's alot of crap going on in the realm of vaccination and in the medical community and the media community. + +You know why there aren't many scientists who are against vaccines? Well, because when they are, they get fired, and awesome now we don't have to call them scientists any more. + +If you retract all the science against vaccines, well no shit, the science is bare and not there.. + +But that's because you only let science that agrees with your BELIEFS stay on the map.",2019-07-10 09:57:50 +Comment,3,etcwupr,,0,1562723112.0,Whey would someone think it is OK to give people autism?,2019-07-10 04:45:12 +Comment,5,etcjrr0,,0,1562715165.0,VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM. There has be zero respectable peer-reviewed studies that have shown any causation relationship.,2019-07-10 02:32:45 +Comment,1,etcg8dp,,0,1562712841.0,"I do realize there are people who says that vaccines can cause autism, but still recommend vaccines. However, I think they are wrong and causing fear as they are telling people that their pediatricians are wrong about vaccines not causing autism.",2019-07-10 01:54:01 +Comment,13,etcf4zi,,0,1562712112.0,Your opinion is that it is backed by tons of real science but very few scientists agree. Can you give us some links to this real science?,2019-07-10 01:41:52 +Comment,-9,etc6rgc,,0,1562705841.0,"But that's after already deciding the claim is false. + +The claim is backed up by tons of real science, and facts. + +My main point here is that this doesn't necessarily make you an antivaxxer it just makes you a pro vaxxer that wants this to be known, fixed or proven unavoidable.",2019-07-09 23:57:21 +Comment,10,etc6jsc,,0,1562705659.0,"The claim leads to extremely damaging actions. It's a stupid claim, and the backlash is exactly how it should be",2019-07-09 23:54:19 +Comment,1,eskwruh,,0,1562103890.0,"Yes, very much lot of hahas. thank you",2019-07-03 00:44:50 +Comment,1,eskl0rx,,0,1562096371.0,Haha very funny joke. r/comedycemetery,2019-07-02 22:39:31 +Comment,1,esgwb7g,,0,1561999103.0,">We're talking about cancer which has a direct relationship with age. The greater that lifespan is the more prone we will be to cancer as we exceed previous lifespan limitations. That's just how genetics and DNA work. As you age your DNA becomes more damaged, when it becomes more damaged it will be more error prone. The more error prone the more likely cancerous mutations are to develop. Unless we can find a way of fundamentally changing our DNA and how it operates that's just the way the cookie crumbles as we age. + +Thanks for explaining what cancer is.. I I'm having a difficult time working out what points you think you made here. + +Cancer doesn't just come from ageing, you clearly have no idea what cancer is. Many children have cancer. + +>Autism was just an example to show that statistics can be misleading without given proper context i'm not going to go into whatever that nonsense of a last statement was. + +And how does this example demonstrate that it's misleading? + +Autism rates are massively correlated with vaccination rates, in different countries, where health, food, living conditions, and hygiene are the same.",2019-07-01 19:38:23 +Comment,1,esfyuxg,,0,1561967330.0,">autism has increased greatly in the past couple decades” well yeah no shit because now we understand it better and are able to identify and address it better than they could more than 40-50 years ago. + +But not only autism; encephalopathy, meningitis, brain damage, SIDS, chronic illnesses, autoimmune disorders, diabetes, and organ failures, especially in kids, have also drastically risen. + +to credit the entire growth of 50 fold to mere diagnosis and understanding is pretty shoddy + +>It is more cancer though, technically, since more people are able to live longer there’s going to be more people with cancer - which increases rate of cancer in a population. So someone can skew some statistics and say “vaccines lead to a higher percentage of people with cancer” or “vaccines lead to a higher chance of cancer” which is true, albeit an out of context statement, because people live longer = more older people with cancer = higher cancerous population = higher chance of becoming cancerous. + +I guess nothing can rise anymore, because it all just comes down to more people living.. + +so no, the number of cell phones is not rising, it's just the amount of people that can be alive to have them increase due to living longer and better with cell phones.",2019-07-01 10:48:50 +Comment,1,eseg35a,,0,1561926263.0,"Andrew Wakefield did get approval, from a parents involved.",2019-06-30 23:24:23 +Comment,0,eseffmv,,0,1561925502.0,"Wait, vaccines allow adults? + +Last time I checked, being an adult didn't require being vaccinated. + +It required being over 18. + +And most unvaccinated people will do so. + +Just like most vaccinated.",2019-06-30 23:11:42 +Comment,1,esefcvq,,0,1561925412.0,"higher chance of cancer.. not higher amount. + +🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ + +There's a difference between rate/likeliness/ratio + +And quantity.",2019-06-30 23:10:12 +Comment,1,es9q9gy,,0,1561770851.0,"Sure... + +📁 News Articles – Fully/mostly vaccinated outbreaks. May need to go to site archives to see article. + +5/30/19 All 12 vaccinated… +http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/mobile-app-news-feed/mumps-outbreak-near-university-of-florida#/ + +5/22/19 Maine measles, vaccinated. +https://www.wmtw.com/article/maines-first-case-of-measles-confirmed/27547628 + +5/20/19 Just Vaccinated. +https://www.wmur.com/article/health-officials-warn-about-measles-case-in-cheshire-county/27535355 + +5/10/19 92 infected. Mostly vaccinated. +https://www.abcfoxmontana.com/missoula/whooping-cough-outbreak-infecting-vaccinated-children-health-dept-hiring-additional/article_a89a3236-7355-11e9-a66b-cf7f8341ff6f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share + +4/18/19 14:17 infected. +https://www.wishtv.com/news/local-news/iu-nearly-all-mumps-patients-were-vaccinated-prompting-some-students-to-get-third-mmr-shot/1935080190 + +Over 100 infected, most vaccinated. +http://vaccineimpact.com/2019/more-evidence-of-mmr-vaccine-failure-university-mumps-outbreak-among-vaccinated-students/ + +All vaccinated… +https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/us-warship-quarantined-virus/index.html?r=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com + +Pertusis…90 total in area. All vaccinated. +https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/02/27/whooping-cough-harvard-westlake/?fbclid=IwAR3MDI-5zeaTwllsibzLvzdmmj_xezJrd7T8rlIkhGe-LSNJWyqBIX74EzQ + +https://m.chron.com/houston/article/Three-cases-of-measles-confirmed-in-Harris-County-13587566.php +3/3 were vaccinated. + +http://wivb.com/2017/10/11/14-syracuse-univ-students-diagnosed-with-mumps-were-vaccinated/ + +Quebec measles… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1884314 + +http://m.ky3.com/6-university-of-missouri…/21050392_34391724 Mumps – 6/6 were vaccinated; July 28, 2015 + +diagnowhttp://www.kwch.com/…/70-diagnosed-with-whooping-c…/34378784ith-whooping-c…/34378784 pertussis – 70/70 were vaccinated; July 27, 2015 + +http://broomenorthps.wa.edu.au/…/…/kimberley-mumps-outbreak/ Mumps – 49/49 were vaccinated; July 24, 2015 + +http://www.nbclosangeles.com/…/Del-Mar-Mom-Frustrated-Famil… Pertussis – 2/2 in family were vaccinated; January 12, 2015 + +http://www.news-gazette.com/…/23-case-c-u-mumps-outbreak-co… Mumps – 23/23 were vaccinated; June 12, 2015 + +http://www.statesmanjournal.com/…/whooping-cough-…/28172681/ Pertussis – 10/11 were vaccinated; May 29, 2015 + +http://www.eastoregonian.com/…/weaker-vaccine-blamed-for-wh… Pertussis – “vast majority” were vaccinated; April 22, 2015 + +http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/…/doc552e6ac55789d24869547… Pertussis – 6/7 were vaccinated: April 17, 2015 + +http://fox13now.com/…/19-kids-in-summit-co-diagnosed-with-…/ Pertussis – 19/19 were vaccinated; March 27, 2015 + +http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/…/doc55096b683d9f209908844… Pertussis – 3/3 were vaccinated; March 23, 2015 + +http://q13fox.com/…/man-vaccinated-against-measles-in-1970…/ Measles – 5/5 were vaccinated; March 13, 2015 + +http://dailyjournalonline.com/…/article_8c06f651-f5a7-5e51-… Pertussis – 2/2 were vaccinated; February 19, 2015 + +http://www.crowrivermedia.com/…/article_c4a7e525-e90c-5546-… Pertussis – 2/2 were vaccinated; February 11, 2015 + +http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/la…/mumps-in-nhl_b_6351358.html +Mumps in NHL players – all sick were vaccinated; December 19, 2014 + +http://www.forbes.com/…/nhl-mumps-outbreak-whats-up-with-t…/ Mumps – 14/14 were vaccinated; December 16, 2014 + +http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6342a3.htm… Flu – onboard ship 25/25 vaccinated; October 24, 2014 + +http://www.news10.net/…/toddler-contracted-whoopin…/9531047/ Pertussis – 18 month old gets pertussis from fully vaccinated healthcare worker who was sick with it; May 23, 2014 + +http://www.myfoxny.com/…/8-confirmed-mumps-cases-at-stevens… Mumps – 18/18 were vaccinated; April 18, 2014 + +http://www.reuters.com/…/us-usa-health-ohio-mumps-idUSBREA3… Mumps – 113/116 were vaccinated; April 1, 2014 + +http://news.sciencemag.org/…/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-… Measles – Measles Mary – outbreak tracked to fully vaccinated person; April 11, 2014 + +http://www.ksbw.com/…/pertussis-outbreak-at-monter…/31881324 pertussis in school – 99.5% vaccinated, all sick were vaccinated; March 19, 2015 + +http://7online.com/archive/9438450/ Mumps – 14/14 were vaccinated; February 21, 2014 + +http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article… H1N1 – woman dies, was vaccinated; February 8, 2014 + +http://www.thenewscenter.tv/…/Athens-Woman-Dies-From-H1N1-2… H1N1- woman dies, was vaccinated; January 10, 2014 + +http://www.kptv.com/…/doctors-confirm-oregon-boy-5-dies-fro… H1N1 – boy dies, was vaccinated; January 3, 2014 + +http://www.sanjuanjournal.com/news/238314341.html# Chicken pox – child got pox 11 days after vaccination; December 31, 2013 + +http://nsnbc.me/…/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-…/ Polio – oral polio causes 47,500 cases of paralysis; May 8, 2013 + +http://www.reuters.com/…/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM2012… Pertussis; vast majority vaccinated; April 3, 2012 + +http://7online.com/archive/8203711/ pertussis in schools – all sick were vaccinated; June 22, 2011 + +http://nursingcenter.com/static?pageid=1204097 Pertussis – vaccinated nurse gets pertussis and spr + +http://www.nbcnews.com/…/polio-outbreak-sparked-vaccine-e…/… polio from the polio vaccine, 69 get it; October 5, 2007 + +http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/vaccine-derived-polio-spreading-polio-free-india + +http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSN1744524120070518… Smallpox – 2 year old gets smallpox after dad is vaccinated (shedding); May 18, 2007 + +http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14993534 Chickenpox – 409/422 (97%) students were vaccinated; March 11, 2004 + +http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198703263161303 Measles – 14/14 were vaccinated, outbreak in fully immunized school; March 26, 1987 + +https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6438a7.htm + +2004-2018 Flu vaccine has had an average efficacy of less than 41% – it fails approximately 60 percent of time. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectiveness-studies.htm + +Several studies involving secondary transmission of measles among highly vaccinated populations: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/0BzZQJIuS86YFeTREeGFGaEdtclk/0BzZQJIuS86YFaEl0cVRZUlBUYk0?usp=sharing&sort=13&direction=a + +Vaccine measles transferred between siblings after MMR. +https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(89)91274-9/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR2zfAse3mPnchTFQIPuGwVGRFNkXWmUMbj0-4B0gBG_cO3iEtuLODL5QkQ +Reply",2019-06-29 04:14:11 +Comment,1,es5vhbn,,0,1561659286.0,Unfortunately I'm 14...,2019-06-27 21:14:46 +Comment,1,es4qj4v,,0,1561620051.0,What exactly do vaccines have to do with the distribution of crack?,2019-06-27 10:20:51 +Comment,2,erwgdh5,,0,1561371602.0,You’ll be fine buddy just don’t do stupid things for a selfie,2019-06-24 13:20:02 +Comment,1,eruoo45,,0,1561320113.0,"just saying that the 1 in 1000 is for encephalitis, or brain swelling, which is not deadly in all cases but leaves a whole lot of brain damage. Which is why we try to prevent measles!",2019-06-23 23:01:53 +Comment,1,eruo9cl,,0,1561319574.0,I just want to make another comment to say that professor stick and other science yt channels said that the anti-vaxx movement would end up harming ppl. and look now,2019-06-23 22:52:54 +Comment,2,eruo5q3,,0,1561319438.0,"don't fell bad, my bud. learned about this garbage about... well idk but it was before the movement was so big. im confused af about it, tbh. to summarize what it is, well, it's a bunch of Karens just saying vaccines cause autism and taking essential oils instead. +edit: the garbage is the anti-vaxx movement.",2019-06-23 22:50:38 +Comment,1,erunzi0,,0,1561319211.0,anti-vaxxer edit here:,2019-06-23 22:46:51 +Comment,1,erunvbk,,0,1561319054.0,anti-vaxxers on this thread be like:,2019-06-23 22:44:14 +Comment,1,erunpg5,,0,1561318832.0,ah shoot didnt see the ps...,2019-06-23 22:40:32 +Comment,2,erunomg,,0,1561318803.0,"how old are you? or, a more anonymous question, are you within age to vaccinate on your own? if so, please PLEASE do so. also, im vaccinated and there seems to be no issue with it, so.........",2019-06-23 22:40:03 +Comment,1,ere2wd8,,0,1560800179.0,"You can sue vaccine manufacturers. Kinda wasted your time, bud.",2019-06-17 22:36:19 +Comment,1,er7jhn0,,0,1560608190.0,"My daughter never cried for any of her shots, she shrugged them off like a real trooper.",2019-06-15 17:16:30 +Comment,1,eqv0zkt,,0,1560367843.0,Oki,2019-06-12 22:30:43 +Comment,2,equl7sy,,0,1560360316.0,I can tell you pertussis can make you wish you were dead.,2019-06-12 20:25:16 +Comment,3,eqt9zym,,0,1560335149.0,This is simply false,2019-06-12 13:25:49 +Comment,1,eqt6bcm,,0,1560332186.0,"if a booster is required, that makes herd immunity sound llike an impossible goal. With medicine now trying to get adults to get new shots like hpv and the other litany in development, how many adults are not up to date with their old childhood shots? how many adults even go to the dr once a year for a checkup? + +when the efficacy of the flu shot varies from year to year, you realize the entire population would have to get the shot 3x to ensure a >50% immunized base that many say is needed for herd immunity of the flu because it has a low Ro (assuming 25% efficacy rate which is not implausible)",2019-06-12 12:36:26 +Comment,3,eqsywd7,,0,1560326346.0,"You're going to die. But not from the vaccine. When you ignore the risk of things you have come to implicitly accept, it makes the other actionable risks you must *choose* to face seem disproportionately large. Remember the baseline risks to put new things into perspective. Human nature doesn't do this automatically.",2019-06-12 10:59:06 +Comment,1,eqsrk8s,,0,1560320754.0,But i never said anything so r/wooosh,2019-06-12 09:25:54 +Comment,2,eqspgch,,0,1560319208.0,"Thanks, all! I know its completely silly, but STILL.",2019-06-12 09:00:08 +Comment,6,eqsl5qj,,0,1560316212.0,"You are good. I get mild flu-like symptoms for a day or so after every shot, but that's just my hyperactive immune system going into overdrive because that shit works. Still worth it to not die horribly of diseases we already cured. + +Welcome to the civilized age!",2019-06-12 08:10:12 +Comment,-1,eqs8t9p,,0,1560308135.0,"If you were going to have a reaction like that from the vaccine, it would have been immediate. If you made it past 5 seconds, you're all good",2019-06-12 05:55:35 +Comment,5,eqs5slq,,0,1560306162.0,"No you're not going to die, for one thing the large majority of babies who got the pertussis vaccine survived, otherwise why is the population what it is now? Also (Im assuming your in the US) back when you were a baby they used a whole-cell pertussis vaccine, and it could cause neurological problems for some babies, but now they use an acellular vaccine that is less likely to cause problems. Also, adults are given a smaller dose than babies, so there is really nothing to worry about",2019-06-12 05:22:42 +Comment,6,eqs2oko,,0,1560304150.0,"You're not going to die. + +Not from the vaccine at least. + +Go drink some wine and celebrate the fact that you have taken a few items out of the list of things that can kill you.",2019-06-12 04:49:10 +Comment,2,eqjmj6e,,0,1560136425.0,Yeah I fell for the trap. Didn’t see the bottom line. My bad.,2019-06-10 06:13:45 +Comment,1,eqjj10p,,0,1560134503.0,"Suck your kids dick before they die, to prove they were alive you anti vaxxer thottiana hoe",2019-06-10 05:41:43 +Comment,1,eqj3fdf,,0,1560127027.0,Yeh iknow im not tryna make fun of op just commenter,2019-06-10 03:37:07 +Comment,1,eqj36iw,,0,1560126903.0,They have a vaccine for that 🤣🤣🤣,2019-06-10 03:35:03 +Comment,0,eqi6mv3,,0,1560109103.0,I cant tell if your joking but if your not i hope you step on a rusty nail,2019-06-09 22:38:23 +Comment,1,eqf1y0c,,0,1560042514.0,Adults are by far the worse side effect of any medicine.,2019-06-09 04:08:34 +Comment,-1,eqevo1z,,0,1560039294.0,False. Nothing scientific in this statement. Just opinionated nonsense 🙄,2019-06-09 03:14:54 +Comment,1,eqdb7b1,,0,1560015324.0,now im not gonna woosh you but this was a joke lol,2019-06-08 20:35:24 +Comment,1,eqd1c6n,,0,1560010798.0,Fix your grammar before you try to prove anything.,2019-06-08 19:19:58 +Comment,1,eqd15ur,,0,1560010705.0,And u expect me to believe that at the age of 7 you knew what vaccines are?,2019-06-08 19:18:25 +Comment,1,epvw387,,0,1559583376.0,"Believe it or not if you go to the vaccine injury website www.vaccineinjury.info and look up Stories of unvaccinated children with autism, it gives people's accounts of their unvaccinated kids getting autism. A lot of them have 0 vaccines.",2019-06-03 20:36:16 +Comment,1,epuoqlm,,0,1559541894.0,What the fuck,2019-06-03 09:04:54 +Comment,2,epqeifc,,0,1559433283.0,"1 I'm from Israel +2 it's not working like that in my country unless you're in a real danger your parents choose what medical treatments they're child get. I wish I could get vaccinated without my parents permission because on high school I want to be a teen paramedic and I'm scared to get hepatitis (this is blood disease) and my sister is a teen paramedic and she is not vaccinated from hepatitis but she's ok right now. Hope I'll be too.",2019-06-02 02:54:43 +Comment,2,epqczma,,0,1559432522.0,"I have 2 questions +1 what is your country? +2 WHY DID YOU NOT CONTACT THE FUCKING POLICE THIS IS CHILD NEGLECT!?",2019-06-02 02:42:02 +Comment,2,epp0ym3,,0,1559388770.0,Zero links to autism and the charts argument is debunked due to classifications issue's with ASD (autism) and making it easier to find and I'm the only one out of 23 students in my class with autism and they are all vaccinated and hey if it was not for people with autism we would not have Alternating current or Pokemon.,2019-06-01 14:32:50 +Comment,2,epkziuq,,0,1559313129.0,I would too!,2019-05-31 17:32:09 +Comment,1,epk03tg,,0,1559293287.0,You got it bud,2019-05-31 12:01:27 +Comment,1,epjzx5p,,0,1559293153.0,The earth is flat /s,2019-05-31 11:59:13 +Comment,1,epjfv9b,,0,1559282131.0,You got it bud,2019-05-31 08:55:31 +Comment,1,epj60gt,,0,1559276877.0,Jar jar binks was the best Star Wars character /s,2019-05-31 07:27:57 +Comment,1,epgumzi,,0,1559247445.0,You got it bud,2019-05-30 23:17:25 +Comment,1,epgudn1,,0,1559247347.0,Lol,2019-05-30 23:15:47 +Comment,1,epgu5fx,,0,1559247258.0,You got it bud,2019-05-30 23:14:18 +Comment,1,epe9wvh,,0,1559209021.0,Why did the chicken cross the road,2019-05-30 12:37:01 +Comment,1,epch00v,,0,1559182927.0,"I'm a bot, *bleep*, *bloop*. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit: + +- [/r/vaccinehero] [Look in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/vaccinehero/comments/bui6jt/look_in_the_comments/) + +- [/r/vaccineswork] [I almost died of vaccination](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaccinesWork/comments/bugh6w/i_almost_died_of_vaccination/) + + *^(If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads.) ^\([Info](/r/TotesMessenger) ^/ ^[Contact](/message/compose?to=/r/TotesMessenger))*",2019-05-30 05:22:07 +Comment,1,epa1zny,,0,1559149155.0,amen,2019-05-29 19:59:15 +Comment,3,ep7rjsq,,0,1559114265.0,You are a true survivor. Thoughts and prayers,2019-05-29 10:17:45 +Comment,1,ep5htzu,,0,1559084954.0,You got it bud,2019-05-29 02:09:14 +Comment,2,ep1uoe0,,0,1559025320.0,"Sorry for hy bad English. +But basically, when you inject a vaccine, some cells called memory cells will be stocked in the ganglyon with a print of the antigene that a virus can wear, so if the virus come again with the antigene, your body will be able to recognize it and kill it. But those memory cells don't live forever. Some can live up to 10-15 years but that's all. That's why it's important to reinject the vaccine so memory cells can be created once again.",2019-05-28 09:35:20 +Comment,1,eoxxm07,,0,1558959219.0,The Soviet onion was a salad,2019-05-27 15:13:39 +Comment,1,eoqlnnn,,0,1558822547.0,Hell yeah brother!,2019-05-26 01:15:47 +Comment,1,eop9hih,,0,1558786888.0,"Haha yeah you tell him. We only trust a trusted doctors at the FDA to approve medications. Like the safe and totally not addictive opioids. No I'm going to go smoke healthy and safe drugs like crack cocaine and heroin and avoid dangerous and deadly drugs like marijuana just as the FDA tells me to. Wouldn't want to fawn over independent unfunded by super powerful for-profit private pharmaceutical industry researchers. I'll stick to the true blue bought and paid for pharmaceutical industry they gave us Monsanto GMO Foods and adderal for children as young as 3 years old. And like our genius of a president says if the"" TV says it it must be true""",2019-05-25 15:21:28 +Comment,1,eomxyca,,0,1558727147.0,You got it bud,2019-05-24 22:45:47 +Comment,1,eola9jr,,0,1558696597.0,You got it bud,2019-05-24 14:16:37 +Comment,1,eoizfja,,0,1558659236.0,You got it bud,2019-05-24 03:53:56 +Comment,-4,eoifp7x,,0,1558647456.0,SH*T NOT AGSIN!,2019-05-24 00:37:36 +Comment,5,eoifnjp,,0,1558647425.0,"You again, have the wrong sub. Checked your post history. Read the sidebar. This is a satire subreddit.",2019-05-24 00:37:05 +Comment,1,eohdphi,,0,1558607735.0,Rrdrdfryghuihiuhjjkmomok,2019-05-23 13:35:35 +Comment,1,eobf5oc,,0,1558469925.0,You got it bud,2019-05-21 23:18:45 +Comment,1,eoa0jte,,0,1558433400.0,Viola,2019-05-21 13:10:00 +Comment,1,eo98f8c,,0,1558413729.0,You got it bud,2019-05-21 07:42:09 +Comment,1,eo973pj,,0,1558412741.0,You are dumb,2019-05-21 07:25:41 +Comment,1,eo5tbfx,,0,1558332287.0,You got it bud,2019-05-20 09:04:47 +Comment,1,eo4wy1l,,0,1558315305.0,Lol,2019-05-20 04:21:45 +Comment,1,eo4v2nl,,0,1558314307.0,You got it bud,2019-05-20 04:05:07 +Comment,0,eo1y41z,,0,1558237878.0,What about cacti?,2019-05-19 06:51:18 +Comment,1,eo1wsc0,,0,1558237104.0,You got it bud,2019-05-19 06:38:24 +Comment,0,eo1p4n4,,0,1558232571.0,Um do you like them,2019-05-19 05:22:51 +Comment,1,enz0z9d,,0,1558168638.0,You got it bud,2019-05-18 11:37:18 +Comment,0,enyyax2,,0,1558166734.0,yeah thanks. anyways whats your opinion on cucumbers. Do you like them?,2019-05-18 11:05:34 +Comment,1,enwl2fj,,0,1558127720.0,You got it bud,2019-05-18 00:15:20 +Comment,0,enuxeja,,0,1558093341.0,"Yeah like the swing for resonance, if you push a swing too hard it loops back on itself and the person falls out sometimes, when you have too much resonance it just explodes. + +Is this right?",2019-05-17 14:42:21 +Comment,1,enrzm62,,0,1558051042.0,"There probably isn't a good macro analogy for it but I wouldn't worry about it. Analogies are just for the specific points, not every aspect on both levels",2019-05-17 02:57:22 +Comment,0,enrz3fz,,0,1558050841.0,"Yeah, a better analogy would be that you can’t taste the eggs in the cake, like how you can’t really access the atoms inside a 3D molecule without breaking bonds",2019-05-17 02:54:01 +Comment,1,enryy7f,,0,1558050786.0,"Yep, and that kind of identity doesn't make sense on a chemical level. Eggs are macro items with intermediate constituents between 'egg' and 'atom', which is not true for chemical compounds. + +So it isn't a good analogy to illustrate allergies, since atoms are haptens and cannot trigger allergic reactions individually.",2019-05-17 02:53:06 +Comment,1,enrln9m,,0,1558045847.0,Ya but a flaw in the analogy is that if you are allergic to eggs you are allergic to cake.,2019-05-17 01:30:47 +Comment,1,enrld8s,,0,1558045747.0,">Ya, like how cake is not really a form of eggs because it contains other things, however boiled eggs are(I think this is correct?) + +I'd say it's a passable analogy, sure. Point being cakes don't have the same properties as eggs and vice-versa. And also that if one is going to be asinine, one should be technically correct (not aimed at you). + +>Oh and off topic, do you play StarCraft 2? If you play Zerg, how do you defend against Terran? + +Surprisingly no. I'm a fan of sci-fi lore which is what inspired the name. Always a let down to those that comment on the name.",2019-05-17 01:29:07 +Comment,1,enpkxns,,0,1558005877.0,"Ya, like how cake is not really a form of eggs because it contains other things, however boiled eggs are(I think this is correct?) + +Just like H and H2 + +Oh and off topic, do you play StarCraft 2? If you play Zerg, how do you defend against Terran?",2019-05-16 14:24:37 +Comment,1,enozux1,,0,1557996187.0,"> Zerg just admit that if a vaccine contains thimerosal it contains mercury. +> +> + +Well of course it does. I was just correcting their terminology: compounds are not forms of elements. The socratic method just backfired on their end when they couldn't follow through. + +>However it does contain mercury, the mercury is basically locked in the compound. + +Yes. We would say that thiomerosal is a mercury-containing compound.",2019-05-16 11:43:07 +Comment,1,enoy5p8,,0,1557995537.0,"Zerg just admit that if a vaccine contains thimerosal it contains mercury. + +​ + +However it does contain mercury, the mercury is basically locked in the compound.",2019-05-16 11:32:17 +Comment,1,enoxpnn,,0,1557995365.0,because we invented vaccines?,2019-05-16 11:29:25 +Comment,1,endr66b,,0,1557815388.0,"Huh. I never actually thought about it that way. That could be part of the truth. Not all of course, but that definitely could be part of the reason why.",2019-05-14 09:29:48 +Comment,1,emzwea5,,0,1557500654.0,I like you,2019-05-10 18:04:14 +Comment,3,emzwd96,,0,1557500622.0,"In a coma +Wakes up + +Holy hell you guys seriously messed up while I was away",2019-05-10 18:03:42 +Comment,1,emyntn3,,0,1557469155.0,It’s mercury with an extra electron? What’s the big deal about that,2019-05-10 09:19:15 +Comment,1,emynoyo,,0,1557469083.0,And you somehow got stupider in just a couple responses. Compounds almost never carry the same attributes as the elements that make them. Just because it has mercury in it doesn’t mean it’s toxic,2019-05-10 09:18:03 +Comment,1,emyngls,,0,1557468951.0,Dosage makes the poison dude just because it has it doesn’t means it’s toxic,2019-05-10 09:15:51 +Comment,1,emyn9nd,,0,1557468843.0,"I'm simply suggesting that you must be a very, very smart person.",2019-05-10 09:14:03 +Comment,1,emyn2nx,,0,1557468736.0,I... what?,2019-05-10 09:12:16 +Comment,1,emxabln,,0,1557442012.0,"Well I'm certainly not going to argue! I'm glad you posted solid facts, and not opinions. Are you a medical doctor? Silly question, you must be.",2019-05-10 01:46:52 +Comment,1,emx9oyk,,0,1557441642.0,"Ok I had three points + +1. Vaccines aren’t perfect they fail to protect sometimes because they just teach your immune system your immune system is still doing all the heavy lifting + +2. Your immune system gets worse as you get older you aren’t loosing antibodies you’re just getting older + +3. Yes you people (antivaxxers ) are responsible for the measles outbreak",2019-05-10 01:40:42 +Comment,1,emx95lm,,0,1557441320.0,"What you said here didn't really make much sense. if you can rephrase in a more lucid manner, it would be much appreciated.",2019-05-10 01:35:20 +Comment,1,emx8x7u,,0,1557441183.0,Vaccines aren’t a 100% protection against disease and as you age your immune system gets worse. It’s not the vaccines and yes people like you are entirely the source of the measles outbreak,2019-05-10 01:33:03 +Comment,1,emvp8kg,,0,1557391336.0,Then I see no problem with it.,2019-05-09 11:42:16 +Comment,3,emumob6,,0,1557367380.0,"Immunology is a complicated science. Assumptions are that a vaccination is life long protection. Viruses and bacteria mutate over time. Some faster than others. Measles virus hasn't changed much over time, where as the flu changes yearly. Also, now this is a speculation, that to not have to maintain antibodies for everything we come in contact with, the body makes room to be able to learn new ones. This may be an adaptation to free up resources for survival. Also adaptations aren't perfect and what we think the way life should adapt is just our misconception that life is all about us.",2019-05-09 05:03:00 +Comment,1,emufrjx,,0,1557363578.0,"It is a good idea to be carful about any medical treatment, but I will say if you are in or near an area with a measles outbreak get the MMR, the virus can float around in the are where a child has been, infected people are contagious before they show symptoms, and adult measles is way worse than adult chickenpox.",2019-05-09 03:59:38 +Comment,4,emue7dz,,0,1557362754.0,"Thanks for the reply. I'm trying to do a little research before I have more live viruses injected into my body. +If the statistic you state is a generally agreed-upon one, then I met hold off a while for both. I am fairly terrified of adult chicken pox though. But as far as that and measles I'm not normally near any children, especially sick ones, so...",2019-05-09 03:45:54 +Comment,4,emucz5h,,0,1557362095.0,"This is an interesting idea, and running out of antibodies *is* the reason mumps and maybe pertussis are coming back, but measles is mostly infecting unvaccinated kids",2019-05-09 03:34:55 +Comment,1,emryoht,,0,1557294663.0,I never said it was bad. I said it's a myth that there's no mercury in vaccines.,2019-05-08 08:51:03 +Comment,1,emp5q0n,,0,1557221108.0,"Yes, of course it does. Let’s remember, however: + +Table salt is composed of sodium and chlorine (NaCl). Mixing sodium with water has, simply put, bad effects. Combining it with chlorine makes the compound safe. + +You can think of this situation when you think of mercury. The mercury in thimerosal is *ethyl mercury* - it gets flushed out of the body. It’s brother, methyl mercury? Not the same. + +In short, thimerosal is an anti fungal agent that preserves vials of vaccine. It also has mercury in it. That does not make it bad.",2019-05-07 12:25:08 +Comment,2,emhnx02,,0,1557011550.0,You literally followed this exact protocol. You asked why don’t we expose our kids to disease anymore to get immunity. Several people responded me being on of them. You went to the top comment and tried arguing that because that vaccine damage compensation is a thing so therefore vaccines must be bad. Another person came in with the metaphor that just because car insurance exists doesn’t mean that cars are made to deliberately crash. You said it was moronic and tried to stop responding I came in and this all happened. Sounds extremely similar to what’s up in that list. Also I didn’t say what you were saying had double meanings I said your actions and arguments are contradictory. You said you’re pro vaxx but you’re arguing and hiding like and antivaxxer who had been beat if we you guys were arguing the same point wouldn’t you just take the info they gave you and leave.,2019-05-05 02:12:30 +Comment,1,emgozgc,,0,1556971667.0,Yes I’m repeating it because your statements and actions are contradictory. Clearly you can’t read otherwise you would realize that,2019-05-04 15:07:47 +Comment,1,emgmr4q,,0,1556969430.0,You’re here for answers yet when someone brings you an answer for why no one just exposes their kids to diseases anymore you try to argue with their explanation and you kept talking about how “they don’t hurt us directly” what else could you be talking about. Don’t try to backtrack and claim you’re pro vaxx when you very clearly aren’t,2019-05-04 14:30:30 +Comment,2,emgkgsh,,0,1556967296.0,"Yeah money does run the world otherwise what motivation do we have to go to school, to work, etc. You have a very abstract and childish view of the world that you need to grow up from. The crap you spout sounds like something put of r/im14andthisisdeep and you know what it’s not surprising you think you know better than the rest of us since that’s were anti vaccine culture comes from. It stems from that little part of your mind that makes you feel entitled and makes you narcissistic. Subconsciously you realize there is nothing special about you so you have to find some bullshit to latch onto to make you feel like you have access to something others don’t, heres the sad truth you’re not special. By your definition i guess what you’re saying isn’t anti vaxx propaganda since you’re following a script, it’s the same shit with all of you antivaxxers I can list the steps + +1. Spout some nonsense about vaccines causing autism or ask a rhetorical question you don’t actually want an answer to + +2. Wait for people to respond + +3. Respond to those responses with a closed mind and your ideals already set in stone + +4. Ignore all of evidence of you being wrong because that would damage your ego and make you feel like you’re not special + +Rinse repeat + +We aren’t brainwashed we’re smart, you are a lunatic who says he’s pro vaxx but is actually just a bullcrap spouting broken record",2019-05-04 13:54:56 +Comment,1,emgiffn,,0,1556965483.0,What the hell does that have to do with my response my other comment? It that supposed to be some lazy attempt at an ad hominem insult? And you day you’re pro vaxx but you’re preaching anti vaxx propaganda,2019-05-04 13:24:43 +Comment,1,emggh3q,,0,1556963807.0,"We aren’t paid we’re just tired of your bullshit rantings. This use to be a place were we could make fun of you people, now people like me have to try and get you off here. You’re obviously not welcome, leave. Also you sound like a total choosy beggar “if vaccines were so good it would be for free” so food and housing are actually harmful since they cost money. Vaccines are good but supplies and research are needed for new and better vaccines and those cost money dumbass. And guess what in third world country people can’t afford vaccines, have you ever heard of unicef? Yeah they help give free vaccines to these people fucking moron.",2019-05-04 12:56:47 +Comment,1,emg3krg,,0,1556952907.0,It’s actually a pretty good metaphor you’re just burying your head in the sand,2019-05-04 09:55:07 +Comment,1,emfv22z,,0,1556946538.0,"Oh my! 😳... This is what I call, succulent and intense! Thanks so far you all!",2019-05-04 08:08:58 +Comment,2,emfqb8s,,0,1556943265.0,"> No exaggeration. Thirteen hundred, mostly children. Permanently injured with narcolepsy/cataplexy following vaccination. +> +> + +Yes this is true. + +>I'm conceding nothing. + +Your actions say otherwise. You had nothing of substance to appeal to. Your baseless and conflicting hypotheses were exposed as flimsy ad hoc rationalizations. You once again showed you have no depth of understanding the topic at hand. + +>I'm just getting bored with your constant bullshit and I have other things to do today. + +Womp womp. Rest and get back to the usual lying hustle. Then we can beat that spirit out of you all over again in similarly embarrassing fashion.",2019-05-04 07:14:25 +Comment,3,emfn0gv,,0,1556941112.0,As a passerby it definitely looks like you conceded the point by shifting to another argument since you knew you couldnt win the last one.,2019-05-04 06:38:32 +Comment,0,emfffzz,,0,1556936160.0,"No exaggeration. Thirteen hundred, mostly children. Permanently injured with narcolepsy/cataplexy following vaccination. + +""And, wow, you seem to have totally given up and conceded the point with ASD. See you next time."" + +I'm conceding nothing. + +I'm just getting bored with your constant bullshit and I have other things to do today.",2019-05-04 05:16:00 +Comment,5,emfcrco,,0,1556934349.0,"You can't work with it--it's garbage. It's also inconsistent with your racial bias in ASD diagnosis you just pulled out of your ass earlier in the thread, but that has yet to slow you down in fawning over Mawson and goons.",2019-05-04 04:45:49 +Comment,3,emfcc69,,0,1556934066.0,"> Nope. There was a tiny subset in China in which there appeared to be some correlation between the virus and narcolepsy. +> +> + +Yes, Taiwan and China. Both prior to vaccine campaigns and after unadjuvanted vaccination, respectively. And by ""handful"" exactly how many cases are you suggesting happened in Europe following Pandemrix vaccination compared with China/Taiwan? You keep using spin despite your apparent disdain for it. + +>No cases in Europe like that. They were all associated with the vaccine, not the virus. + +Only Pandemrix, and there is no current hypothesis in which the vaccine was a risk factor *outside of* viral antigen (not specific to the vaccine) or other concurrent environmental factors (e.g. H1N1 infection, GAS). + +>About 1300 cases. All vaccine, no virus. + +That's not even remotely true. You're literally just bullshitting: + +>> [A biologic mechanism](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30122647) to explain this observation has not been established, but it has been postulated that an interaction involving the immune responses to administration of Pandemrix-AS03 and infection with wild-type pH1N1 virus could be a contributing factor [20]. This would explain the apparent presence of an association in Finland, Sweden and Norway where wildtype virus circulated coincident with the vaccination program, whereas no association was seen in Ontario where wild-type virus was no longer circulating at the time of the vaccination program. + +You also are greatly exaggerating the numbers of those with NT1 narcolepsy relative to the overall risk. It really isn't known exactly how and why some people who received Pandemrix even with the associated HLA did or did not develop narcolepsy. Over 11 million doses have been distributed total. + +>Funny how genetics works, isn't it. + +You really wouldn't know. But, yes. + +And, wow, you seem to have totally given up and conceded the point with ASD. See you next time.",2019-05-04 04:41:06 +Comment,1,emf98hc,,0,1556931967.0," ""To repeat: **circulating H1N1 virus was correlated with increased narcolepys/cataplexy rates prior to vaccine campaigns in several countries**."" + +Nope. There was a tiny subset in China in which there appeared to be some correlation between the virus and narcolepsy. + +No cases in Europe like that. They were all associated with the vaccine, not the virus. + +About 1300 cases. All vaccine, no virus. + + +Funny how genetics works, isn't it.",2019-05-04 04:06:07 +Comment,3,emf7fqr,,0,1556930756.0,">No more AS03 being used in Europe right now, though, is there? + +Well, duh, it's an experimental adjuvant that isn't used in any vaccine excepting emergent circumstances and clinical trials. It's also not used in the US, either, because there isn't a need for it. It's just used for pandemic vaccines in emergent circumstances. + +>You can spin it how you want. An interplay of vaccine and genetics really screwed these people. + +There's no spin, just fact. But since you live and breathe off spin and lies, I'm not surprised you recognize a different consistency here. You've gone waaay off the beaten path because you don't know shit about immunology, ASD pathogenesis, or infectious disease. So you found that one discontinued vaccine increased the risk of narcolepsy/cataplexy in a subset of genetically disposed individuals and you're trying to run hard with it. + +It has nothing to do with childhood vaccines, nothing to do with ASD, and likely nothing to do with AS03. That there was an association with the vaccine is incidental and due to the fact that it was, apparently, able to recapitulate the natural tendency of some circulating pandemic 2009 H1N1 strains to increase rates of narcolepsy/cataplexy. To repeat: **circulating H1N1 virus was correlated with increased narcolepys/cataplexy rates prior to vaccine campaigns in several countries**. + +Cryptic antigen mimicry which is the presumed mechanism of action is likely at play in several diseases. If we can determine the B or T cell epitopes with cross reactivity these can be removed from the vaccine. As it currently stands, these epitopes were never determined. Nevertheless, you will still run to such edge cases with relatively small impacts on small incidence rates because this is how you behave when you've been cornered. You repeat this pattern over and over, much to the amusement of onlookers. + +>Maybe you should go back to playing with next year's flu vax formulation. + +I don't make flu vaccines or any vaccine. + +>You know, make it really work this time. + +It's working this time and worked last time. But your scientific literacy or even critical thinking has never been impressive in the past, so, eh. + +At some point you'd expect you to go deaf with that loud bottom-of-the-barrel scrabbling. Better luck next time.",2019-05-04 03:45:56 +Comment,1,emewag6,,0,1556923601.0,"Lol. + +No more AS03 being used in Europe right now, though, is there? + +You can spin it how you want. An interplay of vaccine and genetics really screwed these people. + +Maybe you should go back to playing with next year's flu vax formulation. You know, make it really *work* this time.",2019-05-04 01:46:41 +Comment,5,emeuiyr,,0,1556922489.0,">Yawn. + +In your sleep deprivation it seems you completely forgot your operating hypothesis: differences in ethnicity ultimately lead to a differential ASD diagnostic outcome. + +Congratulations! We have [data](https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/addm-community-report/differences-in-children.html) on that. It doesn't support your hypothesis--that non-white ethnicities have higher ASD diagnosis. So we keep piling up the implausibility. You have to now plausibly explain why higher antibody titers or other unknown immune response factors to a vaccine lead to differential ASD diagnosis among races. And *then* you have to explain why in *your* link there is no difference among genders--which is a hallmark for differential ASD diagnosis. Oops, guess ya didn't read that after all. + +So, yes, I'm curious: how would race, but not gender, impact ASD development according to the above link when this 1) doesn't fit epi data on ASD diagnosis among ethnicities; 2) doesn't fit gender epi data on ASD diagnosis? But we know the answer: you haven't thought about it and you don't care. You just bring up some random hair-brained idea to deal with your cognitive dissonance. The pattern has borne itself out twice in this thread alone. + +>I'm ""caucasian"". I've also found out I have fairly recent genetic ties to subsaharan Africa. + +Excellent--so this would *not* be a problem with the Danish study, as genetic factors can be cryptic and not adequately accounted for by simple race-binning. High five! + +>That was a pretty big fuckup too, wasn't it? One in five europeans carrying a dormant gene for narcolepsy that the vaccine adjuvant just happened to trigger? + +Uh oh, sounds like you don't know much about AS03, MF59, or the Pandemrix situation and that this is just a random distraction from the actual conversation you've so thoroughly lost. No worries--I'm used to having to fill you in on everything. + +The Pandemrix association with narcolepsy appears to be a cryptic antigen site, not related to any of the adjuvants used in the pandemic vaccines. Read the [multi-country](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6404226/) assessment which looked at several AS03 and one MF59 vaccine, as well as the safety assessment of [AS03](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19305225?via%3Dihub). + +Also, you don't seem to understand how genes work. The vaccine didn't trigger a ""dormant gene"". The virus, which the vaccine recapitulated specific antigenic sites, can apparently trigger autoimmune reaction in a small subset of people among a specific HLA type. I recommend hitting up wikipedia on [genes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene) so you can get that under your belt. + +You're lucky I grade on a curve, bucko. See, OP? He don't know anything. Recognize the signs and you can spot 'em a mile away, as well as the usual tactics that fall flat.",2019-05-04 01:28:09 +Comment,-2,emeq9m2,,0,1556919551.0,"Yawn. + +https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-discovers-african-americans-respond-better-to-rubella-vaccine/ + +I'm ""caucasian"". I've also found out I have fairly recent genetic ties to subsaharan Africa. + +No, we can't draw ANY conclusions about the genetic history of anyone getting vaccines. Obviously. + +We don't understand shit about the role of genetics in immunity right now. Another example? Pandemrix and narcolepsy. + +That was a pretty big fuckup too, wasn't it? One in five europeans carrying a dormant gene for narcolepsy that the vaccine adjuvant just happened to trigger? + +That one was pretty bad.",2019-05-04 00:39:11 +Comment,8,emepp6w,,0,1556919182.0,"They're referencing the same ""study"" which is an **online poll** about the first decade or so of your child's life from memory. It also recruited anti-vaxxers preferentially, so the sample is non-random. + +But if Doodle Polls count as a scientific paper, then the second one is spot on. + +And careful! They're all white except 21 participants, even though apparently /u/toxicchildren is actually very concerned about the breakdown of race. Guess we can conclude, ahem: + +>>We can draw NO universal conclusions from this study.",2019-05-04 00:33:02 +Comment,2,emepie4,,0,1556919049.0,">Also the study not broke out by race + +No reason to. + +>now that we know that those of African descent respond differently to vaccination than caucasians (at least to the MMR) + +That's a hilarious assertion. + +>So we have a study comprised of children all most likely of a single ethnic/racial background (white and northern European) with no racial/ethnic diversity considered whatsoever. + +The diversity is representative of the Danish population. So you concede there is no cause for concern among the Danish population. Excellent. Now we just need to walk you from this bizarre racial angle. + +If you think race is a better predictor of autism risk factors than sex, smoking during pregnancy, family history of ASD diagnosis, head circumference at birth, weight at birth, method of birth delivery, and, vaccination status...then yous an idiot. + +But you don't *really* think that, it's just the convenient way you try to remedy your cognitive dissonance. We get it. + +>We can draw NO universal conclusions from this study. + +Not even your own logic supports this ridiculous claim. In the most conservative interpretation, even if we assume your hypothesis about race to have *some* merit, we can now rule out all medical, non-race, factors from influencing ASD development in association with vaccines. And by extension based on the Danish population we can confidently declare that anyone of caucasion descent also has no differential response, either. + +So good job, pal. You convinced nobody but yourself--again.",2019-05-04 00:30:49 +Comment,-1,emep7p4,,0,1556918843.0,It's what we have to work with right now.,2019-05-04 00:27:23 +Comment,0,emenku5,,0,1556917755.0,"Also the study not broke out by race - now that we know that those of African descent respond differently to vaccination than caucasians (at least to the MMR). So we have a study comprised of children all most likely of a single ethnic/racial background (white and northern European) with no racial/ethnic diversity considered whatsoever. + +We can draw NO universal conclusions from this study.",2019-05-04 00:09:15 +Comment,5,emenb98,,0,1556917572.0,"1st one is a questionable source. Seems slanted toward autism in general. 2nd one doesn't actually mention autism, that I could tell. I saw other ailments, but not autism. I also question the research methods, as it includes a sample that is very specifically white, homeschooled, Christian families and by survey (which doesn't have to be answered truthfully, and statistically aren't). These sources aren't much help to OP in either direction.",2019-05-04 00:06:12 +Comment,6,ememuo3,,0,1556917233.0,">sure. That being the reason that they weren't vaccinated in the first place - a family history of ASD and most likely some symptoms of their own; hence the reason they were unvaxxed to begin with. + +If you read the study you'd see this was tracked. But ya didn't because your conclusion doesn't rely on data. + +>Nice try, though. + +Man you're just so smart + +See OP? He's a real winner.",2019-05-04 00:00:33 +Comment,-5,ememqkz,,0,1556917151.0,"Lol. + +sure. That being the reason that they weren't vaccinated in the first place - a family history of ASD and most likely some symptoms of their own; hence the reason they were unvaxxed to begin with - a fear of exacerbating autism symptoms (cost not being an issue - vaccination being at no cost to consumers there). + +Nice try, though.",2019-05-03 23:59:11 +Comment,1,emem9nq,,0,1556916833.0,Observational studies would be suitable for this.,2019-05-03 23:53:53 +Comment,4,emelzuz,,0,1556916653.0,"OP, don't listen to this person. They don't know really anything about what they speak. + +Their username says it all...",2019-05-03 23:50:53 +Comment,3,emelwb2,,0,1556916590.0,"Sure. [Just published recently.](https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study) Danish cohort study found no association with autism and MMR (and other) vaccines. This was compared to unvaccinated children. Of note is the observation that the unvaccinated children had higher rates of ASD than their vaccinated counterparts. + +Good news for you and your wife!",2019-05-03 23:49:50 +Comment,0,emej8bn,,0,1556914685.0,"https://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/stunner-in-first-ever-vaxunvax-study-vaxxed-kids-have-47-fold-higher-risk-of-autism.html + +Here it is. + +https://antivakcina.org/files/MawsonStudyHealthOutcomes5.8.2017.pdf + +It's not exactly good news for the pro-vax crowd. + +You won't really find much else in the way of a comparison; *ahem - ""ethical issues"" in studying vaxxed vs. unvaxxed*, as cited by the other commenter.",2019-05-03 23:18:05 +Comment,1,emdw95s,,0,1556889850.0,"I don't know that such a study has been done, the IRB would say it is unethical to not give vaccines to the unvaxxed group",2019-05-03 16:24:10 +Comment,1,emc6977,,0,1556850181.0,"Just because damages from NATURAL ALLERGIES of vaccines have a compensation program, doesn't mean damages are deliberate. Why would they compensate something they are supposedly covering up if they even were covering it up?",2019-05-03 05:23:01 +Comment,2,em9hyb7,,0,1556776739.0,"Car insurance compensates for damages to your vehicle and health insurance compensates for injuries to you, so does this mean that car and health insurance companies are actively trying to cause car crashes?",2019-05-02 08:58:59 +Comment,1,em863xd,,0,1556749676.0,"Well if you have auto immune problems sadly live vaccines can cause some issues. + +I had to have the chicken pox vaccine last year (two doses). Because I was starting immunosuppressants. I knew the trade off could be a relapse or two. +First round want too bad just a week of drop foot. But the second round caused both legs to have drop foot. Now it's permanent. +The relapses are caused by the stress the vaccines/attenuated virus causes on the body. Relapses get triggered from stressful events anyways so it makes absolute sense that a vaccine would also do this. + +Now I've been on immunosuppressants I have to watch out with each live vaccine, most are an absolute no go. Although they still don't know entirely which vaccines on a whole will cause an issue. +However it's still safer to have the vaccines in majority of cases. But it's a trade off we have to accept before doing so.",2019-05-02 01:27:56 +Comment,1,em6o06f,,0,1556698830.0,Your right.,2019-05-01 11:20:30 +Comment,3,em6ny2l,,0,1556698790.0,"Does what, a fraudulent study? I would say only a selfish criminal does that",2019-05-01 11:19:50 +Comment,2,em6mei8,,0,1556697785.0,"Oh. Thanks for letting me know. I forgot about that part. Still though, what k8nd of person does that!?",2019-05-01 11:03:05 +Comment,1,em6mbmq,,0,1556697732.0,">This greatly upsets me. + +My comment? or the OP? + +I agree with much of what you say, but I will say that the fraud you refer to was in 1998, but the idea of vaccines causing autism started in the 1980s",2019-05-01 11:02:12 +Comment,1,em6jy48,,0,1556696146.0,"This greatly upsets me. I am autistic. But as you can tell by how I am writing this, you can tell that it does not affect me. It merely affects how I process things. You see, vaccines help greatly and they actually help you prevent death(not 100% but more than those who are unvaccinated) . They have rid the world of polio and other uncommon or no longer existing diseases. There is also actual scientific evidence that vaccines work. And the ""vaccines cause autism"" thing? Yeah, caused by a doctor who paid kids at his sons birthday party to give blood, manipulated data, and sold the false findings for money. Correct me if im wrong, but sme like you are pro vaccine. I agree with you. I'm also pro vaccine.",2019-05-01 10:35:46 +Comment,3,em1wacz,,0,1556568463.0,Sounds like you were vaccinated /s,2019-04-29 23:07:43 +Comment,3,em10d34,,0,1556533156.0,Probably shouldn't have made a thread without doing so,2019-04-29 13:19:16 +Comment,0,em0zvg6,,0,1556532704.0,Pretty hard when you are on mobile.,2019-04-29 13:11:44 +Comment,3,em0uq7p,,0,1556528196.0,I had a small stroke reading the first comments,2019-04-29 11:56:36 +Comment,6,em0uhwh,,0,1556528008.0,How hard is it to read a sidebar?,2019-04-29 11:53:28 +Comment,-5,em0ilw6,,0,1556518633.0,The food that would be ingested by the children that are in early graves,2019-04-29 09:17:13 +Comment,1,em0gey9,,0,1556517129.0,"Antivaxers still want their kids to live healthily, but they are misinformed about vaccines, it's not a bout not wanting the child to live. + +>Well,survival of the god damn fittest, when my kid is eating the food your kid could've eaten if they were in a family that relies on facts and evidence instead of phony ""studies"", I'll be laughing my ass off. + +Food? what are you on about here?",2019-04-29 08:52:09 +Comment,1,eltndn4,,0,1556306828.0,"I believe the issue was they didn't get ethical approval to do spinal taps on the kids. But you don't need approval if you clinically treat the patients after the study. And Walker-Smith treated them for years after, so no wrongdoing.",2019-04-26 22:27:08 +Comment,1,elt8ykr,,0,1556287109.0,"> In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. + +This is called the *Post hoc ergo propter hoc* (Latin for *after this, therefore because of this*) fallacy. Just because the two things happened in order doesn't mean that one caused the other. For example, most pregnancies happen in people who have previously watched television. Does this mean that watching television gets you pregnant? Of course not.",2019-04-26 16:58:29 +Comment,1,elsceer,,0,1556262783.0,Awesome.,2019-04-26 10:13:03 +Comment,1,els4pmg,,0,1556257721.0,With a quack quack here and a quack quack there...,2019-04-26 08:48:41 +Comment,1,els4eq9,,0,1556257521.0,Citation please. Has there never been an adverse reaction of any kind? Why should the brain be my only concern?,2019-04-26 08:45:21 +Comment,1,els3cbn,,0,1556256814.0,"> You haven't addressed anything I've said + +Your link does. Anyone can read and see that. + +...Can you? + +>your talking in circles + +Because you've made no progress in digesting your own resource. + +>like so many of the brainwashed antiscience crowd are only interested in protecting your religion of vaccine safety and efficacy. + +Uh huh. Your link disagrees.",2019-04-26 08:33:34 +Comment,2,elrv9ua,,0,1556251870.0,"Lol. My comprehension is comprehensive. +You are just looking to post things so if someone comes by and ponders what I've said they can scroll down see what you say and go oh it's BS and move on. +You haven't addressed anything I've said your talking in circles because you like so many of the brainwashed antiscience crowd are only interested in protecting your religion of vaccine safety and efficacy.",2019-04-26 07:11:10 +Comment,1,elrud7d,,0,1556251324.0,"If you have trouble finding it, that's one thing. If you have trouble reading anything, that's another thing. + +But you're not even trying, so why would I? Clever quips work better when they aren't foiled by basic reading comprehension and, well, your own links.",2019-04-26 07:02:04 +Comment,0,elrtjl5,,0,1556250830.0,Is there music playing where you are because you dance so well.,2019-04-26 06:53:50 +Comment,1,elrrt5l,,0,1556249739.0,"How long does it take ethyl mercury to metabolize? +What happens to the brain with long term exposure? These are the questions you should be asking. +The answers to the questions to summarize the half-life is 7 days for ethyl. Longer for methyl. + +Not high enough dose and not in your system long enough to cause any damage. Regardless of the way it enters your body.",2019-04-26 06:35:39 +Comment,1,elrqfk3,,0,1556248894.0,"> Why is it sounding like I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel? + +You keep bouncing around erratically from point to point, never fully developing them and leaving them untouched after minor pushback. + +>Look at the actual study. The conclusion just asks for more study. Why does that upset anyone? + +...did you read your summary yet? It answers this question. + +>Why did it first get published and then take so long to be retracted? + +...did you read your summary yet? It answers this question. + +>Why is the statement of retraction basically the same as the study conclusion? + +It isn't. You didn't read the paper or your own link. + +>You didn't answer these main questions. + +...did you read your summary yet? It answers this, so why should I?",2019-04-26 06:21:34 +Comment,1,elrph9m,,0,1556248302.0,"Why is it sounding like I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel? +Look at the actual study. The conclusion just asks for more study. Why does that upset anyone? + +Why did it first get published and then take so long to be retracted? + +Why is the statement of retraction basically the same as the study conclusion? + +You didn't answer these main questions.",2019-04-26 06:11:42 +Comment,1,elroxqn,,0,1556247963.0,"Is that what the study said? Did you read the study? +Did you actually read the conclusion? +The conclusion is saying the same thing as the supposed retractions. +That is a fact.",2019-04-26 06:06:03 +Comment,1,elro7rb,,0,1556247529.0,">So on the one hand you say a paper is needed + +Yes. + +>on the other you say read a commentary for explanation + +For *the papers*. Now go back and read the summary you brought up to answer the questions you've disingenuously posed. + +All of this is really sounding like you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.",2019-04-26 05:58:49 +Comment,1,elrnw1f,,0,1556247338.0,"I'm sorry, did you not know that Wakefield discredited the MMR vaccine because he wanted to promote his own measles vaccine?",2019-04-26 05:55:38 +Comment,2,elrnoid,,0,1556247215.0,"Oh. Another one yah! +Money is not a logical motivator.. Interesting perspective.",2019-04-26 05:53:35 +Comment,1,elrnkt8,,0,1556247156.0,"So on the one hand you say a paper is needed, on the other you say read a commentary for explanation.",2019-04-26 05:52:36 +Comment,1,elrmhx8,,0,1556246502.0,I l l o g i c a l,2019-04-26 05:41:42 +Comment,2,elrlyvd,,0,1556246177.0,See [here](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mercurate). Or alternatively IUPAC nomenclature rules if you're feeling frisky.,2019-04-26 05:36:17 +Comment,1,elrl1ur,,0,1556245621.0,"Is brain damage the only concern? Precisely what are the chances of brain damage from mercury/a cardiac event from sodium chloride? If you know it's the same, you should know the respective odds too right?",2019-04-26 05:27:01 +Comment,1,elrki11,,0,1556245289.0,"Could you explain ""mercurate(1-)""?",2019-04-26 05:21:29 +Comment,1,elrjamk,,0,1556244540.0,"Yes, quite obvious indeed. + +>Vaccine industry is using the same tactics - My point + +Then link a paper about the known tactics of Big Vaccine instead of Big Tobacco. + +>There was nothing wrong with Wakefield stud + +Then you didn't read your own link.",2019-04-26 05:09:00 +Comment,3,elris5z,,0,1556244222.0,"It is obvious. Vaccine industry is using the same tactics - My point. +There was nothing wrong with Wakefield study at least nothing out of the norm especially when compared with the ludicrous vaccine safety studies. +But hey the Danish paper right! +It is all ridiculous.",2019-04-26 05:03:42 +Comment,2,elreleu,,0,1556241657.0,"I'll let you do all the talking as to what your original argument is. + +But your tobacco paper is a non-sequitur and you've provided no tie-in to vaccines. Now if you want to go through the trouble of tying red yarn between ""Big Tobacco lied about tobacco science"" and ""Wakefield is a disgraced quack"", be my guest. You won't have data to do so, though, which is my point.",2019-04-26 04:20:57 +Comment,1,elref7e,,0,1556241554.0,"You asked why it was retracted. The article explains it. You making a coy rhetorical but opening yourself to easy jabs is, well, your own fault. + +If you want to point out the ""hypocracy"", then go ahead and do it. But saying ""m o n e y"" is only going to invite me to chide you with my favorite canned vegetable.",2019-04-26 04:19:14 +Comment,1,elre25o,,0,1556241330.0,So are you saying that the manipulation of science is not my original argument?,2019-04-26 04:15:30 +Comment,1,elrdxlt,,0,1556241249.0,Oh I see. You assume I didn't read it and wasn't pointing out the hypocracy of what is reported.,2019-04-26 04:14:09 +Comment,1,elrahb4,,0,1556239083.0,"The chemical pathway forEthel-mercury shows no damage to the brain. Ethel mercury has the same likelihood of causing Brain damage (regardless of age) as sodium chloride causing a cardiac event, as in the case of sodium Pentothal. I’ll",2019-04-26 03:38:03 +Comment,3,elr5za8,,0,1556236357.0,"Yawn. Look up ""non-sequitur""",2019-04-26 02:52:37 +Comment,1,elr5o4d,,0,1556236170.0,Just read your own resource. Take my tips to heart.,2019-04-26 02:49:30 +Comment,1,elr4eni,,0,1556235394.0,https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/,2019-04-26 02:36:34 +Comment,1,elr35vy,,0,1556234618.0,So it was retracted for cream corn?,2019-04-26 02:23:38 +Comment,3,elqz3rh,,0,1556232080.0,C r e a m e d C o r n,2019-04-26 01:41:20 +Comment,2,elqz2wa,,0,1556232064.0,"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal + +Ethyl(2-mercaptobenzoato-(2-)-O,S) mercurate(1-) sodium, minus the sodium in water.",2019-04-26 01:41:04 +Comment,0,elqybv1,,0,1556231598.0,Excellent. Why?,2019-04-26 01:33:18 +Comment,-1,elqy6em,,0,1556231505.0,M o n e y,2019-04-26 01:31:45 +Comment,1,elqwqiv,,0,1556230601.0,What is thimerosal made of?,2019-04-26 01:16:41 +Comment,2,elqnxtl,,0,1556224485.0,Compounds aren't forms of elements. That's literally chem 101.,2019-04-25 23:34:45 +Comment,5,elqkd1n,,0,1556221321.0,"Your link addresses why it was retracted. If you are still confused, go back and sound out the words in succession, maybe multiple times.",2019-04-25 22:42:01 +Comment,1,elqca9z,,0,1556211333.0,"And Wakefield's colleague, John Walker-Smith, had his license reinstated.",2019-04-25 19:55:33 +Comment,1,elnv8rx,,0,1556147882.0,"> recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine EXPERIENCE RASH AND FEVER which may be INDISTINGUISHABLE from measles + +The rash and fever are not the total of the measles pathology. Literally the entire point of the paper you cite is to distinguish in a rapid way wild type pathogenic measles from reactions to MMR. It is literally the justification for their assay, funding, and paper that MMR does not and cannot cause wild-type measles pathology. *Some* aspects make the distinction difficult. Try as you might, they are not equivalent and your source makes that clear. + +>Clinically indistinguishable means that when OBSERVING the patient, the PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS (rash & fever) can look the same in BOTH wild strain and vaccine strain measles. + +Yes the FEVER and the RASH can BOTH be SIMILAR in wild type MEASLES or a REACTION to the MEASLES component of the MMR VACCINE. NOWHERE do the AUTHORS suggest THAT wild-type measles IS clinically identical IN consequence TO the measles VACCINE component. + +>True. They differ on a genetic level. But they share the common physical symptoms of rash & fever. + +And they also don't share other pathologies, hence the distinction being important from a public heath standpoint. You keep ignoring this. + +>You taught me that the pathogenic strain can cause further complications like SSPE. According to the CDC, severe complications are rare. Pneumonia is said to be 1 in 20. + +Death is about 1-2 per 1000 for wild-type measles, as well as immune repertoire depletion, deafness, pneumonia you mention, encephahlitis you mention. This doesn't happen with the vaccine component. + +>The studies show 40-50% of kids got upper respiratory infections and gastro-intestinal disorders after the MMR vaccine. + +Link it if you want me to consider it in our discussion. + +>That's a harsh trade-off for a virus that causes rash & fever in the common person + +And would kill thousands annually unnecessarily, along with the sequelae we've mentioned previously. But, sure, let's equate increased risk of a cold with measles pathology. + +>and then gives you lifelong immunity. + +You can get lifelong immunity *and* avoid the disease with vaccines. Immunity isn't the goal--avoiding the disease and its ramifications is. + +>Unless you're immunocompromised, no reason to be scared of wild measles. + +We've literally mentioned excellent reasons, such as the unnecessary deaths of thousands and other bad sequelae. All of which has disappeared from the US due to vaccination. + +>Your argument is that these vaccinees were not infected with measles. They simply had the EXACT SAME PHYSICAL REACTION as the people that DID catch the measles at the SAME TIME & LOCATION of a measles outbreak? + +That's not my argument--that's what your study says. They didn't have the exact same physical reaction, they had a fever and rash. They were not shedding measles virus, they were potentially shedding attenuated measles vaccine virus. They were not having a risk of pneumonia, encephalitis, or death. They were having an uncommon reaction to the vaccine strain. + +>Maybe entertain the possibility of primary & secondary vaccine failure. Or viral shedding from other recent vaccinees. Your faith in this vaccine is strong my friend. + +Vaccination failure exists. The solution is to titer and re-vaccinate, or rely on herd immunity. + +As for shedding from recent vaccinees, they'd be shedding attenuated vaccine virus. Which, again, is not pathogenic. + +There's no faith at play here. + +>Now the 1999 pilot. You got this wrong. And I'm the one that doesn't know how to read? + +Either unable or unwilling, yes. + +>Actually they looked at less data. The 1999 unpublished pilot looked at 400,000 infants in the VSD. Phase I of the 2004 published study only looked at 124,170 infants in the VSD. + +Ah, here's that inability to read again. Let's fact check this bit. + +>>We assessed the risk for neurologic and renal impairment associated with past exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccine using automated data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). VSD is a large linked database from four health maintenance organizations in Washington, Oregon and California, containing immunization, medical visit and demographic data on over 400,000 infants born between '91 and '97. + +There are 400,000 infants in the VSD. That doesn't mean all were appropriate or selected for in their analysis. So you're already off base here. But it gets better. + +>>A 2-phased retrospective cohort study was +conducted using computerized health maintenance organization (HMO) databases. Phase I screened for associations between neurodevelopmental disorders and thimerosal exposure among 124 170 infants who were born during +1992 to 1999 at 2 HMOs (A and B). In phase II, the most +common disorders associated with exposure in phase I +were reevaluated among 16 717 children who were born +during 1991 to 1997 in another HMO (C). Relative risks +for neurodevelopmental disorders were calculated per +increase of 12.5 g of estimated cumulative mercury exposure from TCVs in the first, third, and seventh months +of life + +So, no, they didn't use a smaller sample size. The exact inclusion criteria of the abstract presented isn't known, since only the abstract has been saved. And, no, phase II doesn't use a smaller sample size or remove the first. It is a comparison of a different HMO investigating rates found in the first two HMOs. And there was no association. And, finally, this study (both phases) looks at the 1st, 3rd, and 7th month of life whereas the initial abstract is just about the first month. + +This is also evident when you look at the sheer number of disorders found in the full paper's phase I as it clearly outnumbers the total of all disorders of the abstract. + +So my advice: work on that reading comprehension. You've got some words down, but the ability to interpret meaning is tripping you up. + +>Wrong again. In phase II, the most common disorders associated with exposure in phase I were re-evaluated among only 16,717 children. + +No, all associations and RR of significance in phase I were analyzed at a different site. It's not the ""most common"" but those with apparent RR of concern. + +>It's so obvious that they reduced the sample size to make the links to autism, sleep disorders, learning disabilities and speech delays in the 1999 pilot statistically less significant. + +How so? The sample size of the abstract isn't known. The paper has a combined sample size of 140,887. The significance of phase I isn't removed by addition of a *smaller* sample size. That makes no sense at all. Do you not understand how that makes no sense? + +>Furthermore, there's a massive ethical issue with the 1999 study. If you're the CDC, and you find data that points to a 762% increase in autism after the Hep B shot, you have a duty to disclose that to the public. The CDC is the health protection agency of the nation. + +Which they investigated. And found no apparent significance at different HMOs. And recommended further study with larger samples and consistent diagnostic criteria. In no way were the results buried. + +>Instead, they hid the study. Then 5 years later, they reduce the sample sizes and publish a study ""proving"" everything was safe all along. + +You're living in a fantasy land. They published the study. You (claim) to have read it yourself. + +>Thanks again for turning me onto the 2004 study. + +No problem. Keep hitting the books. Read them, also, but keep hitting them, too.",2019-04-25 02:18:02 +Comment,1,eljbwai,,0,1556007829.0,"She was likely born in a hospital, where you have no clue what other family members have and do not have. +I believe the virus can live on surfaces a while (ie, someone carrying it touched the door handle or elevator button, her family touched it, brought it in. Boom whooping cough )",2019-04-23 11:23:49 +Comment,1,eliy1wu,,0,1555997391.0,"Everything is okay in modesty. Sure Mercury is poisonous, but so is literally everything else att the right amount. Simple.",2019-04-23 08:29:51 +Comment,1,elimzki,,0,1555990305.0,"Over 3,000 studies and 0 inert placebo controls. There’s none for the current vaccines we inject into children. + +Untested.",2019-04-23 06:31:45 +Comment,1,elibl1w,,0,1555983182.0,"What a ridiculous statement. Watch the Plotkin testimony and see how much a vaccine patent makes. Wakefield was vilified, the Truth is coming out. Vaccines are bad, very bad. It is tobacco all over again.",2019-04-23 04:33:02 +Comment,1,eli2sbt,,0,1555977476.0,"Vaccines have been tested more than any other pharmaceutical product ever. I've done searches on ""X vaccine safety"" and on ""ingredient X safety"" on PubMed, and the smallest number of hits was over 3,000.",2019-04-23 02:57:56 +Comment,1,elhyokp,,0,1555974475.0,"Wakefield's study was retracted because the information was falsified, he was paid by a lawyer to manufacture evidence, and he had applied for a patent for a standalone measles vaccine. He lost his license for this *and* for performing unauthorized tests on children (not just blood draws, but lumbar punctures!) without the approval of an IRB. + +His paper said ""needs further testing,"" and 17 other much better designed studies were done, trying to replicate his results without success on millions of children worldwide. He may not have stated ""vaccines cause autism"" outright, but he certainly does now, and is making far more money than a single patented vaccine ever would have earned him.",2019-04-23 02:07:55 +Comment,1,el86rnx,,0,1555659224.0,Because she's not vaccinated. You can still be a carrier and not have symptoms yourself....,2019-04-19 10:33:44 +Comment,1,el83bz0,,0,1555656630.0,"Same! I got vaccinated and now I'm suffering the consequences, living for more then 3 years.",2019-04-19 09:50:30 +Comment,1,el82z51,,0,1555656367.0,"100% agree with you, these people have trust issues and use Google for 2 minutes and believe vaccines are bad. They have lifes and even if you have a low chance of measles you are spreading it around to other people increasing it. Vaccines are good and you should trust the government.",2019-04-19 09:46:07 +Comment,0,el2ppps,,0,1555499865.0,"Anti-vax is [promulgated by Russian trolls.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/08/25/that-anti-vaccination-message-may-be-from-a-russian-bot-or-troll/) + +Any way they find to create a more divisive America is fair game to them. And, hey- if it ties up our hospitals with kids sickened by preventable diseases, that's just bonus in their eyes.",2019-04-17 14:17:45 +Comment,8,el1s4uk,,0,1555475841.0,Don’t feel bad. I wasn’t in a coma & am also confused ab what is going on. I only uncovered it when I became a parent & saw people openly asking for pediatrician recommendations for doctors that don’t “push vaccines” in fb groups.,2019-04-17 07:37:21 +Comment,-1,ekzpzov,,0,1555411232.0,"Was it misguided back then? Since everyone got measles and it is more serious for people over 20, it made sense to get it on purpose when you were younger, so that you would be immune and not get it when you were older (same with chickenpox, but that is more serious if over 12) + +However, nowadays we have a weakened virus (in the vaccine) that makes us immune but is way less likely to cause complications, so now it makes no sense to choose the stronger virus.",2019-04-16 13:40:32 +Comment,-1,ekzjq2b,,0,1555406714.0,That and the vaccine was available until 1960 or something,2019-04-16 12:25:14 +Comment,3,ekzjotk,,0,1555406689.0,Because it wasn’t controlled and while the kids did gain immunity the experience was horrible.,2019-04-16 12:24:49 +Comment,7,ekzfn4v,,0,1555403846.0,"I’ve only heard about that with the chickenpox (which can also be deadly e.g. [hemorrhagic varicella](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8240570) ). If they did, it was highly misguided and irresponsible. People die from measles and the complications it causes. For example, it wipes out the memory of your immune cells, so you have the immune system of a newborn again and susceptible to everything you ever had before. + +They didn’t have the medical advances or knowledge that we do now. The vaccine wasn’t available until 1963. + +https://www.princeton.edu/news/2015/05/07/deadly-shadow-measles-may-weaken-immune-system-three-years + +https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27481-measles-leaves-you-vulnerable-to-a-host-of-deadly-diseases/amp/ + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908915/ + +https://www.wired.com/story/how-measles-hacks-the-body-and-harms-its-victims-for-years/amp + +https://relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/science/2019/03/measles-vaccine-protect-disease-immune-amnesia",2019-04-16 11:37:26 +Comment,1,ekul5bq,,0,1555243151.0,"Night, darling. + +👋🏻",2019-04-14 14:59:11 +Comment,1,ekuit1z,,0,1555241159.0,You said it's the only point you can imagine as a way to justify ignoring what I said in order to reply to what you think I said... Very clever. Peace.,2019-04-14 14:25:59 +Comment,1,ektmyqf,,0,1555216986.0,"I didn’t say you were anti vaccine. See how you haven’t actually progressed the discussion by telling me why what you’re arguing about even matters? You can argue with yourself without me, friend.",2019-04-14 07:43:06 +Comment,1,ektgbr8,,0,1555212596.0,"I'm not anti-vaccine. See how we're still talking about what you want me to be saying vs what I actually said? So you can't address anything I said? You can argue with yourself without me, friend.",2019-04-14 06:29:56 +Comment,1,ekt8mby,,0,1555207478.0,I really can’t imagine you’d have any other point given anti-vaccine propagandists never bring up mercury unless it’s to talk about how it’s toxic in vaccines. But have fun in your echo chamber.,2019-04-14 05:04:38 +Comment,1,ekt3ujq,,0,1555204216.0,"No that is not my point, which is why I didn't say that. I can't talk to you if you're going to ignore everything I say and respond only to your own perceived insinuations, as you've just done. Please re-read and respond to my previous comment/what I actually said.",2019-04-14 04:10:16 +Comment,1,eksvcq6,,0,1555198021.0,"If your point is that the thimerosal content is too toxic to be in vaccines, that’s just not true. There are hundreds of studies proving it breaks down just fine in the human body barring allergic reaction. + +Unless you have a peer reviewed medical study claiming otherwise. But I doubt it.",2019-04-14 02:27:01 +Comment,1,eksnrwc,,0,1555191845.0,"> firstly flying turtles is not killing humans and causing endless suffering + +Then why are so many boeing planes all “mysteriously” crashing + +Y’all forgot about flight 370? + +Wake up",2019-04-14 00:44:05 +Comment,1,eksmz7f,,0,1555191109.0,"Salt is non-toxic? What if you eat 3 Lbs? Is Thimerosal harmless? Has no one ever had an adverse reaction? You can drown in water or milk, but they're both different- does that matter?",2019-04-14 00:31:49 +Comment,1,eks3bqc,,0,1555163649.0,"Allow me to help by reiterating what that person said: + +Elements and compounds are the not the same thing. + +They have completely different properties and react differently to other elements/compounds. + +Example: salt (NaCl) is perfectly non toxic and is consumable. However, taken individually, Na and Cl are quite toxic. + +There. Education. :)",2019-04-13 16:54:09 +Comment,1,eklscub,,0,1554983186.0,"Same odds as getting struck by lightning, but would you carry an umbrella in a thunder storm?",2019-04-11 14:46:26 +Comment,1,ekigwyl,,0,1554885221.0,She got it because she doesn’t have the vaccine to fight against it. And because she’s so little and young her body doesn’t have a strong immune system yet. There’s probably a 50-50 chance she does. I’d recommend vaxxing her.,2019-04-10 11:33:41 +Comment,1,ekg66uv,,0,1554813951.0,"There are still 100,000 deaths from measles every year world wide and the numbers 1 to 1000 do match up to the global deaths",2019-04-09 15:45:51 +Comment,1,ekasgdm,,0,1554647111.0,What qualifies something as a toxin? What ppb or even ppm of these toxins are considered to have adverse affects? ,2019-04-07 17:25:11 +Comment,1,ek9w4kt,,0,1554616460.0,You didn't answer my question. You said it can't cause damage to the body. Is that true or isn't it?,2019-04-07 08:54:20 +Comment,2,ek9vhds,,0,1554615900.0,"Yeah, a long time ago, vaccines weren’t as safe as today, but nowadays, they are way safer and I don’t know any story about people being hurt by mercury in modern vaccines",2019-04-07 08:45:00 +Comment,1,ek9v4u8,,0,1554615601.0,So no one has ever been hurt by the mercury in any vaccine ever?,2019-04-07 08:40:01 +Comment,2,ek9ocan,,0,1554609735.0,"But you do have a point there. Going through the blood is harder to expel and can cause brain damage, but only in big amounts",2019-04-07 07:02:15 +Comment,2,ek9oa6b,,0,1554609684.0,"Going into the blood can cause non-lethal, but very serious, brain damage and many others, but its more likely to cause brain damage than going into the digestive tract. However, going into the digestive tract has a higher chance of causing liver problems. Both of them can be expelled from the body, respectively through urine and feces. Going through the blood is, in fact, probably more dangerous, but the quantity is so miniscule it can be easily expelled and, even if it isn’t, it can’t cause damage to the body. You would need to take a whole bunch of vaccines to cause any noticeable effect. I’m gonna guess like 10 shots per month or 5 shots per month",2019-04-07 07:01:24