A moldable object inspector #327
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Cool! That looks really interesting, I will be playing with this tonight. Very exciting times in the Lisp world, it seems. |
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Just played with it a bit, really looking forward to your work! |
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I would consider suggesting people use CLOG and CLOG-ACE from ultralisp as that will always have the latest changes for both. |
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your readme suggested quicklisp etc |
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Thanks for the suggestion! I have to admit that I have never used Ultralisp myself. It's been on my to-do list for... a long time. I just put clog and clog-ace into the local-projects directory of Quicklisp. |
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So I had a quick look at Ultralisp. It turned out to be easier to submit a package than to understand how Ultralisp works (given that Quicklisp has no documentation on additional distributions), so I started by submitting clog-moldable-inspector as a first experiment :-) And to improve my understanding of Quicklisp, I started writing a couple of inspector views for it. |
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Latest news: there's a 9 minute demo video of my inspector: https://diode.zone/w/cd5s1yd1iJrhiMR1jS1xz3 |
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looking now :)
…On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 1:26 AM Konrad Hinsen ***@***.***> wrote:
Latest news: there's a 9 minute demo video of my inspector:
https://diode.zone/w/cd5s1yd1iJrhiMR1jS1xz3
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Really love the idea of your project. I think will try organizing
properties in the GUI builder with same principles. Are you open to
switching to a BSD/MIT sort license if I see ways to integrate your work
directly? I have no interest in making my work gpl which would be required
to use it.
…On Tue, Apr 9, 2024, 9:57 AM Konrad Hinsen ***@***.***> wrote:
So I had a quick look at Ultralisp. It turned out to be easier to submit a
package than to understand how Ultralisp works (given that Quicklisp has no
documentation on additional distributions), so I started by submitting
clog-moldable-inspector as a first experiment :-)
If all goes well, it will be in the next build of Ultralisp.
And to improve my understanding of Quicklisp, I started writing a couple
of inspector views for it.
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Any OSI licence is fine with me! |
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This is a very exciting feature; I believe in easily creating views / configuration tools for dev all the time. Of course in vs code you can do these things, but in smalltalk (but also delphi for instance, to a certain extend) it's very fast and easy to do and it makes sense it also is in CL. Allowing to have full control over your code, the editor, but also the entire IDE is a very powerful thing and allows for easier configuration between juniors/seniors/newcomers etc if it's well integrated into the entire concept. Hope the existing work can be integrated and extended. |
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@rabbibotton I just changed the license to 3-clause BSD. |
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Awesome |
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I have a few things to finish up still in my 2.1 target on the general IDE side, once done will be working on the GUI builder side other areas that I want to look at new approaches beyond what already exists for CL and I see this or something modeled on it being a part of it for sure. |
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@khinsen you should look at the new clog-break you can insert your inspector in the :run |
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Interesting, thanks for the pointer! It looks like I cannot pass any arguments to |
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clog-break takes a form for :run that on break runs (I realize now would be
good to use the return value to decide if to still promote to continue
execution) so you would do you inspect there in the lexicle scope of the
clog-break of that form
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Interesting, thanks for the pointer!
It looks like I cannot pass any arguments to run, so how could I pick the
object I want to inspect?
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added: In clog-break if the form passed to run returns :continue the break confirm dialog is not displayed and execution continues |
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That's all very nice, thanks! |
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BTW one thing that is worth while knowing, say you have a text or gtk app etc not clog based, you can use clog-break also (you don't have to be using the builder for clog-break or clog-probe) you just run the clog-repl with: (clog-user:clog-repl :use-clog-debugger t) Then clog-break and and clog-probe will use that repl window for debug. |
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That was the missing piece for me, thanks! |
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Looking forward to see some working demos reals on reddit from you :P show your stuff off it is awesome! |
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Related ideas: |
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Let me know what other hooks into builder would make sense to add menus etc. I imagine we should add hooks into the project panel and dir panel so that file names can be sent to the clog-moldable-inspector |
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Files and directories is a big one. I am starting to add views for |
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I added the ability to add extensions to handle files and directories, I opened a ticket on your project with code to add |
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Here is pic of using the CLOG Probe Panel ability to add probes from an eval and CMI launched from the panel on a CLOG-OBJ, you may find this useful. 
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Nice! I see you have my latest additions from yesterday. Have a look at the "Operations" view. It has all methods that specialize on clog-element and can be called with a single argument. By clicking on the arrow to the left, you can run the method and inspect the result. Very useful for looking at the many attributes of a clog-element. What I plan to improve is the presentation of the operations. Group them by package, for example. And add a per-class filter. For clog-element, I'd remove the create- methods because they are not useful in the inspector. The HTML view needs some pretty-printing to be useful. That's why I added the HTML/sexp view as a workaround, profiting from CL's built-in pretty-printing for s-expressions. |
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There's now a built-in tutorial: |
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Here is my first CLOG-based project: a moldable object inspector
https://codeberg.org/khinsen/clog-inspector
It's heavily inspired by the Smalltalk object inspector in Glamourous Toolkit. The focus is on making it very cheap to add new views to the inspector, in order to encourage developers to make views for their objects from the earliest stages of development.
Thanks @rabbibotton for CLOG, I couldn't have done this without it and exploring CLOG is a pleasure due to the readable code and complete documentation!
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