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Any sign of John Clause? #579
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I've been thinking about adopting this and setting it up as a new version/plugin that supports all of the features qTranslate-X has now. I'd also like to recruit some others to make sure that this doesn't happen in the future. I use this plugin on a pretty well trafficked site and I've been making my own modifications to it over time to make sure it works for us. |
Good idea, Colin! |
Yeah, it would be good but are we allowed to launch our own version of the plugin? |
Would you fork the current project or start a new project from scratch? |
I was considering the same idea, since i run qtranslateX on a lot of sites and i don't like the alternatives i've seen so far. |
I think also this plugin https://it.wordpress.org/plugins/qtranslate-slug/ should be natively integrated in "qtranslate2018" |
@herrvigg I would vote for the first situation. We can also notify John and get his blessing if he can not continue. This has happened before when qTranslate became qTranslate-x when it was taken over from the original creator. @mayaliny definitely. I didn't want to overstep as I know many use the plugin and have contributed to it but I think making this an open collaboration benefits everyone. |
Sounds good! |
@colinloretz I'd be really interested to see what your fork looks like now. There's no reason we couldn't open PRs and close issues on a fork so some progress could be made, no? This plugin is the simplest and most intuitive solution out there, I really don't want to have to switch over to using WPML or Polylang after this 😞 |
I'd love to help this project if I can. So glad someone is talking about it. Any news? Also worried about wordpress 5.0! |
@benjibee @janeschindler + all: I'm still running on the latest version but there's a lot of cleanup and support that is going to be needed going forward. I've messaged the contact form on https://qtranslatexteam.wordpress.com/ and we've posted here to no response so I think it's time we start to discuss how we want to proceed with a new fork. |
I think we should start a new project and release it immediately with the actual code (updating the "tested with wordpress version [latest]") and start gather new installations. Then we'll work on this forum to suggest people to switch to new version (which would be only download turnoff/turnon thing) Once we got that, and a multi author staff, we can work on new version (i'd prefer a solid compatibility with wordpress against new features). Maybe I'm not the best php programmer out there, but i know some stuff and I can donate some hours per week to this project, so please, let me know. PS- I suggest some names here, just to start discussion: openQtranslate, qTranslateXXL (i'd prefer the first one, but maybe the second is more effective when moving people from old plugin to new one) |
Ideally it would be nice to be able to maintain this repository and keep the name with a new major version going forward. I've contacted Github and will reach out to WordPress as well to see if there is any known procedure for this. If not, we'll have to do as suggested above and start a fork with a new name and move forward. There are pros and cons to each, for sure. |
Any news from github? |
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I think getting any new / continuation of the project will find its most difficulty being listed on WordPress plugin page and avoiding user confusion and plugin mismatches. I think when Qtranslate which eventually became QtranslateX, the small name change was a good idea. It made a clear line in plugins and names where the new group took over and compatibility and searching for addons to it became easier. QtranslateX2 That way any plugins additions have a clear demarcation on when / what they were developed for. |
Agreed. I like the name openQtranslateX, as suggested above. No matter what name we use, we need to write up some documentation that explains what happened to Qtranslate-X and a roadmap of what is to come. I think the WordPress plugin gatekeepers will be more open to marking the old version as abandoned and link to the new plugin page. I can reach out to them when we are ready. |
I think no matter what the name will be (even if the right naming will simplify the user moving to the new plugin) we need to move quickly to a new space/plugin. After we have rolled up the new plugin we can send some press release to tech blogs to inform the community there's a new boss in town ;-) |
I'm just a regular user (and pretty new to WP at that) but I've been using qTx for a website I'm setting up. It really is an awesome plugin and there's nothing out there that compares. But it has been very frustrating not to have a community to turn to when I hit a brick wall or even developers to take on paid projects when need be. I would love to see a fork come out. You have my support, albeit moral ;) |
The sooner the better. The question of the name may sound a bit futile but it's important to find a good name now because it's very hard to change later. My two cents: keep it simple! Historically, qTranslate-X was derived from qTranslate which was already open source. Everyhing already being open source, I don't see the point of prefixing with Also i would rather rebase the name from |
Also, the author of the original of qTranslate was Qian Qin aka chineseleper. He even participated to qTranslate-X, certainly one of its main developer. Maybe we should contact him as well, he should be of great advice to continue on this project. He has a page on wordpress but has been inactive for 3 years. There were also two other developers on qT-X. Here is the list of authors found on qTranslate-X readme:
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@herrvigg I agree that the whole history of the plugin does not need to be represented in the name. As such like abclution suggested (with a slight change) I think "qTranslate-CE" is very good and makes the most sense. |
Keeping "qTranslate" in the name certainly is a good idea but the suffix "-CE" needs some translation/explanation ... why not using the prefix "Open" to emphasize the open character of the new plugin? I prefer |
Well i don't really see the point of adding "open" to a public github repo, it is open-source implicitly as any public repo. The link to the repo should be very easy to find once the plugin respawns. I didn't come up with it, but CE makes more sense to me because we, as a community, are trying to resurrect it. Indeed it could also be something like qTranslateRebirth or qTranslateNeo. I won't diverge on a more religious theme ;) |
I don't really care about what the name should be, in this phase.. i think we should hurry up to re-animate the code, no matter the name. how are we with the fork thing? can we go for the "detach fork from the original repository" as suggested by github to @colinloretz ? @colinloretz would you follow this operation for all of us? |
@mayaliny we can have them disconnect it when we're ready. I can get the new fork going and add some guidelines for contributing and we can start identifying what we want to tackle as first priorities. In addition to getting the plugin up to date with the latest version of WordPress, I think some priorities include adding support for gutenberg, doing some code clean up and start looking at issues in this repo that still need addressing. We will also want to identify and reach out to anyone who is actively working on their own forks or the ecosystem of integration plugins for things like WooCommerce, etc. |
For sure Gutemberg is an issue.. but i think it's secondary to gather the attention of the qTranslate* community around our new project. -start the new plugin |
I'd vote for fixing the code for current WP and php7 before we try to do any announcements outside this repo to avoid confusion. |
well, seems legit ;-) let's move my point 2 to point 3 ;-) |
PS I agree with everything @colinloretz has said/done. Thank you!!! |
I won't have much time for it but i will try to help with some coding. Two things: Current status with issues/PR Dev and releases workflow
The main question is how to validate the releases. There is apparently no test workflow at all so this will be the most critical part to avoid regressions. We should keep a master branch very clean and only merge stuff that we are at least confident about. So at this point i don't really know how we are going to handle properly the regression tests and releases. Any ideas? |
@herrvigg I have used the JSON configuration file, but it doesn't strike me as a very well-implemented feature. In principle a plugin probably shouldn't interface with users (who are potentially not programmers) at this level of complexity, right? I don't totally understand the reason why it has to be setup this way. And (as noted in the documentation here) it is a pain to debug. Does anyone agree with this? Can anyone envision a better situation? |
The fork is up at https://github.com/qTranslate/qtranslate-x. We can rename the repo and sever the forked connection to the parent once we're ready to do that. No new code has been added yet. I have set it up so that you can't push to master and you can't merge into master without 2 pull request reviews. @herrvigg Let's create an issue for tests/validation of releases in the new repo so we can have that conversation there. |
I've just come across this discussion, I'd like to say THANK YOU for you work, since I use this plugin on many websites and I'm getting worried about its future compatibility. I'll be glad to help testing and donating. |
I have only used this plugin in one site but I am really fond of it and I would hate it to see it disappear. I wish I could help myself, but my coding skills are limited. Thank you for your work on keeping it available. |
@colinloretz @herrvigg Seeing as you two are taking the lead here, there are a couple of repos under the qTranslate-Team for various plugins to integrate with other plugins (i.e. the js-composer one for integrating with WPBakery Visual Composer, and the WooCommerce integration plugin). Do you plan to fork them under your new organization as well? It would make sense, rather than having them splinter into unrelated orgs. I'm more of a OS level developer (BASH, Perl, Ruby (not Rails), Python, and many others that have been lost to the annals of time... FORTRAN anyone?), but I do dabble in PHP and Java when needed. I would be willing to chip in to help out, and if the other repos get ported, I'd be willing to take on the js-composer and if no-one else wants to jump on WooCommerce, I'd be willing to help there too (as well as the core plugin). As for name:
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Just to keep you updated, i am currently migrating all the issues in a new repo:
The migration of the issues backlog is quite a long process:
My new repo is locked for all at the moment but my goal is transfer it later to the new organization when it's ready. So i don't link it here yet to avoid confusions. We'll keep you updated when the new repo is ready to use. |
Hello to everybody, |
hello, Now i'm trying to understand the status of the different branches. It's quite a mess. The master branch has been left aside but it has some commits i don't find in the stable branch which contains the last release. The pre-release 3.4.6.9 was never released in WP and i have no clue about its current state. I think i will rather go back in github and start over from 3.4.6.8 which is the last official release in WP. Also, we need to find a new project name before the project becomes available for all. |
For search purposes I think it could be good to include the word language in the name. Something like qTranslate-lang. |
Someone could try and contact q-translate slug creator to try and merge his
plugin he was willing to help last time i talked with him also last
pre-release version 3.4.6.9 was stable i still use it on one of my sites it
was last year wordpress update fix or something i can't clearly remember it
was a long time ago, also i can help with testing but not with coding as i
don't have much time.
@JosVelasco - q-translate slug is the plugin if you wan't to have the slugs
in different language and it worked fine(i don't know about latest
wordpress)
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Hooray, the new repo is now ready for a new life! The last official release is 3.4.6.8 which corresponds to the last WP version. There has actually been quite some work done since then under the stable branch. The last official pre-release was 3.4.6.9 but there were two other pre-releases prepared internally, though never tagged: 3.4.7 and 3.4.8. So i added these tags and i consider the last commit by John Clause to go in 3.4.8, even though the last commits go slightly beyond the initial list of features. It's mostly about notice and integration of plugins. I can't really say much about them but it seems stable to me so let's take all we can. Then i re-organized the branches. The previous master was very much obsolete so i renamed it old-master just to keep it. We should now work on the master branch and then move the new stuff to the releases under the stable branch when it's ready. The first tasks are now to prepare the first official release. One of the first thing would be to rename the internal references to qTranslate-XT if you agree with this. Then my priority would be the most urgent fixes to make it run with a recent PHP7. On my side i made some custom fixes but in the old PR i found this one which looks pretty good to me.: #581 Keep in touch! |
I like the name qTranslate-XT! |
The master branch is now active in the new repo. You should always desactivate the previous / activate the new plugin after pulling a new version of the repo. If you ever have both qTranslate-X and qTranslate-XT in the plugins folder, you should keep only 1 plugin active at a time. Also be aware that the options are not renamed (and i don't plan to), so qTranslate-XT simply uses the existing ones from qTranslate-X. All seems to works well so far. I've submitted the new plugin for review to wordpress.org so hopefully we can have some official releases soon. It can take up to 10 days for the review. I also figured out that a few files (dev files, .po, experimental stuff) should be removed from the repo before an official release to wordpress but that's quite a minor thing. |
Well the rejection was quite fast... From Wordpress plugins:
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Firstofall.. shouldn't this conversation continue on the new fork/repo? Second.. let's try to start to be creative (but without leaving too much the nest).. how about something like "KUKU translate" ? in italian "q" sound like "ku" and doubling it we can have some sort of joke.. (also there's nothing in plugins' repo by the name KUKU) Also xTranslate may do the trick to go over the wordpress limitation.. but i think there's something for google chrome by that name. |
So i wrote to the plugin admin of wordpress about the 3 last points (rebrand, credit, fair fork) also asking if something like qNewTranslate (a dumb example not starting with qTranslate) would be accepted and here is the answer:
So yes i understand, to become a new plugin it has to be different enough from the original one, also for branding issues. The problem is that no one is representing the official qTranslate anymore, neither John Clause or Qian Qin are active. Therefore both the qTranslate and qTranslate-X projects should be considered to be dead, we cannot claim this ownership on our own. To do it right we should look beyond that, maintain at least a legacy compatibility with the DB but move on with new features. This could become a further goal but i won't spend too much time on it now. At this time I consider qTranslate-XT is only a "bridge project" so we can start deal with the very urgent maintenance. I think it's reasonable to keep this name as long as we only remain on github. The project also needs a lot of refactoring, it's quite a big mess (some also due to the wordpress framework). In the future we might rename everything to rebrand it as a new plugin once we have changes relevant enough to justify it. So yes i agree we should move to the new repo! Everyone willing to collaborate is welcome to participate, sending tickets and PRs. As said i also migrated all the backlog so there's quite a lot to sort out already there. If you are a good developer we can also move you into the organization. So let's do it and move on :) |
Hi guys. New to the party, but absolutely thrilled that someone is taking charge of qT. Can I ask if anyone has thought of just taking over the existing plugin in the WP repository? There's a whole procedure for it here: https://developer.wordpress.org/plugins/wordpress-org/take-over-an-existing-plugin/ I did it recently for a plugin that I considered essential to my workflow (https://wordpress.org/plugins/jf3-maintenance-mode/), but hadn't been updated for about 4 years. It wasn't too onerous a task - you just need to attempt to contact the original author. His email and website weren't active, so I left a post in the plugin's support forum. Waited a month for a response, and then emailed [email protected] - only took about a month or so after that. Cheers Peter |
Good suggestion! Clearly my goal would not be to own it myself but give it back to the community through a new organization or a real TEAM (unlike the fake qTranslate-Team). This plugin is still quite popular, even after being dead for 2 years, so it should be worth it. |
My understanding of taking over an abandoned plugin is that the original contributors remain as contributors (they're not removed at any rate), so no change in ownership of the trademark has occurred - all that's happening is that other people are allowed to maintain the code. All plugins in the repository are licensed under open source licences anyway, so you have an absolute right to modify the code. Providing you're not actively claiming the trademark as your own, I don't think there'd be too much problem (although I'm no lawyer :-) ) |
i need a help with a site i have all multilingual, only spanish and english with the plugin q translate x, but i have a fear that when upgrading the latest theme and wordpress version of wordpress everything will messed up.... i don't know what happened with the support of this plugin, but i found this forum here in github, so i expect someone can give me a light in this, since the site is live and i need to have it without any problem. i also have read a post about migrating to wpml and then to polylang, but in need a detailed explanation of all the possible cases or situations to take into account before doing something. please let me know !!!! |
qTranslate-X is not maintained anymore, it's dead for more than 2 years. We have moved from the existing code to a new project called qTranslate-XT. It's fully compatible with qTranslate-X, there are already some fixes and new features but it's only available on github at the moment: https://github.com/qTranslate/qtranslate-xt Check out the README and FAQ i wrote, it should answer all of your main questions. For other questions feel free to post a ticket on: https://github.com/qTranslate/qtranslate-xt/issues |
Hi aledelord90 (et al) - I've just completed a big project updating the codebase for a huge site that uses qT-X. In the process I have updated to the latest version of qT-XT, and you'll be pleased to hear that I have encountered no problems at all (other than existing, long-standing bugs, of course!). |
Awesome! Great to hear :) |
It seems the qTranslate-Team is only 1 person and the author: @johnclause. Can you read us?
See also: #476, #538. He has not replied or given any sign of life for more than 1 year. I wondered if he even was alive but there is a short activity in dec 2017. So what is going on with this plugin? Is there someone who can get in touch with him?
It would be really great if we could know his intentions about this plugin which is very popular. If no answer this community should have enough good developers to make the plugin live from a fork or whatever as long as it follows the GNU GPL license. There has been some dicussions (see tickets mentioned above) but nothing is really moving to a clear direction.
Any other suggestion?
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