diff --git a/docs/docs/api-reference/CollectionInstance.mdx b/docs/docs/api-reference/CollectionInstance.mdx
index dd72c6af..d9108675 100644
--- a/docs/docs/api-reference/CollectionInstance.mdx
+++ b/docs/docs/api-reference/CollectionInstance.mdx
@@ -136,7 +136,8 @@ A Collection Instance
 
 <p>
 	Get the Value of the data item with the provided key (the raw data). If there
-	is not an existing data item, this will return a <em>provisional</em> one
+	is not an existing data item, this will return a <em>provisional</em> one (an
+	empty untracked data instance)
 </p>
 
 **Returns**: <code>this</code> <p>The new Collection Instance</p>
diff --git a/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/collection.ts b/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/collection.ts
index 08ea96d8..78689a7a 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/collection.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/collection.ts
@@ -349,7 +349,7 @@ export class CollectionInstance<
 		return this
 	}
 	/**
-	 * Get the Value of the data item with the provided key (the raw data). If there is not an existing data item, this will return a _provisional_ one
+	 * Get the Value of the data item with the provided key (the raw data). If there is not an existing data item, this will return a _provisional_ one (an empty untracked data instance)
 	 * @param {string|number} dataKey The key of the data item to get
 	 * @returns {this} The new Collection Instance
 	 */
@@ -469,7 +469,8 @@ export class CollectionInstance<
 	 */
 	createGroup<Name extends GroupName>(
 		groupName: Name,
-		config?: PlexusCollectionGroupConfig<DataType>
+		config?: PlexusCollectionGroupConfig<DataType>,
+		fetcher?: (currentValue?: DataType) => DataType
 	) {
 		this.mount()
 		if (this._internalStore._groups.has(groupName)) return this
diff --git a/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/data.ts b/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/data.ts
index 94f1f20d..e7d625df 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/data.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-core/src/collection/data.ts
@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@ export class CollectionData<
 
 			// loop through the foreign keys
 			for (idKey of Object.keys(foreignKeys ?? {})) {
-				const isArray = foreignKeys[idKey]?.mode === 'array';
+				const isArray = foreignKeys[idKey]?.mode === 'array'
 				const newKey = foreignKeys[idKey]?.newKey as string
 				const foreignCollectionName = foreignKeys[idKey]?.reference as string
 				const foreignCollection = this.instance().findReference(
@@ -132,9 +132,12 @@ export class CollectionData<
 
 				// if we have a shallow value, then we can try to get the fresh value from the foreign collection
 				if (this.shallowValue) {
-					const freshValue = isArray ?
-						this.shallowValue?.[idKey]?.map((id: string) => foreignCollection?.getItem(id).shallowValue) || undefined
-						: foreignCollection?.getItem(this.shallowValue?.[idKey]).shallowValue || undefined
+					const freshValue = isArray
+						? this.shallowValue?.[idKey]?.map(
+								(id: string) => foreignCollection?.getItem(id).shallowValue
+						  ) || undefined
+						: foreignCollection?.getItem(this.shallowValue?.[idKey])
+								.shallowValue || undefined
 					if (
 						freshValue &&
 						foreignCollection?.config.foreignKeys?.[idKey]?.newKey
diff --git a/packages/plexus-core/src/index.ts b/packages/plexus-core/src/index.ts
index e2f8f289..4b5b596b 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-core/src/index.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-core/src/index.ts
@@ -30,8 +30,8 @@ import { LiteralType, AlmostAnything } from '@plexusjs/utils'
 export function state<
 	Literal extends PlexusStateType = any,
 	Value = Literal extends AlmostAnything ? Literal : LiteralType<Literal>
->(item: Value) {
-	return _state<Value>(() => instance(), item)
+>(item: Value, fetcher?: (currentValue?: Value) => Value) {
+	return _state<Value>(() => instance(), item, fetcher)
 }
 /**
  * Generate a Plexus State
diff --git a/packages/plexus-core/src/initializer.ts b/packages/plexus-core/src/initializer.ts
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..01e3c0a5
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/plexus-core/src/initializer.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,8 @@
+import { Watchable } from '.'
+
+export function WatchableInitializer<ValueType extends any>(
+	watchable: Watchable<ValueType>,
+	initFunction: (currentValue?: ValueType) => ValueType
+) {
+	watchable
+}
diff --git a/packages/plexus-core/src/state.ts b/packages/plexus-core/src/state.ts
index 71ce8eda..f95df8e7 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-core/src/state.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-core/src/state.ts
@@ -42,9 +42,9 @@ export class StateInstance<
 	constructor(
 		instance: () => PlexusInstance,
 		init: StateValue,
-		fetcher?: (currentValue: StateValue) => StateValue
+		fetcher?: (currentValue?: StateValue) => StateValue
 	) {
-		super(instance, init)
+		super(instance, init, fetcher)
 		this.instance = instance
 		this._internalStore = {
 			_name: '',
@@ -267,9 +267,10 @@ export class StateInstance<
 
 export function _state<StateValue extends PlexusStateType>(
 	instance: () => PlexusInstance,
-	_init: StateValue
+	_init: StateValue,
+	fetcher?: (currentValue?: StateValue) => StateValue
 ) {
 	// Returned Object //
 
-	return new StateInstance<StateValue>(instance, _init)
+	return new StateInstance<StateValue>(instance, _init, fetcher)
 }
diff --git a/packages/plexus-core/src/watchable.ts b/packages/plexus-core/src/watchable.ts
index e74ec4b7..f5fa158a 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-core/src/watchable.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-core/src/watchable.ts
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@ interface WatchableStore<Value = any> {
 	_nextValue: Value
 	_watchers: Set<PlexusWatcher<Value>>
 	_internalId: string
+	_initialized: boolean
 }
 
 type HistorySeed<ValueType = any> = {
@@ -22,15 +23,26 @@ type HistorySeed<ValueType = any> = {
 export class Watchable<ValueType = any> {
 	protected _watchableStore: WatchableStore<ValueType>
 	protected instance: () => PlexusInstance
+	protected initFetcher: ((currentValue?: ValueType) => ValueType) | undefined
+	private loading: boolean = false
+	public get isLoading() {
+		return this.loading
+	}
+
 	/**
 	 * The internal id of the computed state
 	 */
 	get id(): string {
 		return `${this._watchableStore._internalId}`
 	}
-	constructor(instance: () => PlexusInstance, init: ValueType) {
+	constructor(
+		instance: () => PlexusInstance,
+		init: ValueType,
+		fetcher?: (currentValue?: ValueType) => ValueType
+	) {
 		this.instance = instance
 		this._watchableStore = {
+			_initialized: false,
 			_internalId: instance().genId(),
 			_nextValue: init,
 			_value: init,
@@ -39,6 +51,14 @@ export class Watchable<ValueType = any> {
 			_lastValue: null,
 			_watchers: new Set(),
 		}
+		this.initFetcher = fetcher
+			? (currentValue?: ValueType) => {
+					this.loading = true
+					const newValue = fetcher?.(currentValue)
+					this.loading = false
+					return newValue || init
+			  }
+			: undefined
 	}
 
 	watch<Value extends ValueType = ValueType>(
@@ -54,6 +74,13 @@ export class Watchable<ValueType = any> {
 		}
 	}
 	get value(): ValueType {
+		if (this._watchableStore._initialized === false && this.initFetcher) {
+			this._watchableStore._value =
+				this.initFetcher?.(this._watchableStore._value) ||
+				this._watchableStore._value
+			this._watchableStore._publicValue = deepClone(this._watchableStore._value)
+			this._watchableStore._initialized = true
+		}
 		return this._watchableStore._publicValue
 	}
 }
@@ -62,8 +89,12 @@ export class WatchableMutable<
 	ValueType extends NonNullable<any> = any
 > extends Watchable<ValueType> {
 	private _history: HistorySeed | undefined
-	constructor(instance: () => PlexusInstance, init: ValueType) {
-		super(instance, init)
+	constructor(
+		instance: () => PlexusInstance,
+		init: ValueType,
+		fetcher?: (currentValue?: ValueType) => ValueType
+	) {
+		super(instance, init, fetcher)
 	}
 
 	/**
diff --git a/packages/plexus-react/src/index.ts b/packages/plexus-react/src/index.ts
index 550cf414..492b66a4 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-react/src/index.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-react/src/index.ts
@@ -4,4 +4,4 @@ export { useEvent } from './useEvent'
 
 export { useDeposit } from './useDeposit'
 
-export { useInit } from './useInit'
\ No newline at end of file
+export { useInit } from './useInit'
diff --git a/packages/plexus-react/src/useInit.ts b/packages/plexus-react/src/useInit.ts
index 4736fb9a..9321a248 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-react/src/useInit.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-react/src/useInit.ts
@@ -1,32 +1,38 @@
-import { PlexusAction, Watchable } from '@plexusjs/core';
-import { FunctionType, InnerFunction } from '@plexusjs/core/dist/action';
-import { useEffect, useState } from 'react';
-import { usePlexus, PlexusValue, PlexusValueArray } from './usePlexus';
+import { PlexusAction, Watchable } from '@plexusjs/core'
+import { FunctionType, InnerFunction } from '@plexusjs/core/dist/action'
+import { useEffect, useState } from 'react'
+import { usePlexus, PlexusValue, PlexusValueArray } from './usePlexus'
 
 export type PlexusInitReturn<T> = {
-  value: T;
-  loading: boolean;
+	value: T
+	loading: boolean
 }
 
 // Singleton argument
-export function useInit<V extends Watchable, Fn extends FunctionType>(deps: V, action: InnerFunction<Fn>): PlexusInitReturn<PlexusValue<V>>
+export function useInit<V extends Watchable, Fn extends FunctionType>(
+	deps: V,
+	action: InnerFunction<Fn>
+): PlexusInitReturn<PlexusValue<V>>
 // array argument
 export function useInit<V extends Watchable[], Fn extends FunctionType>(
 	deps: V | [],
-  action: InnerFunction<Fn>
+	action: InnerFunction<Fn>
 ): PlexusInitReturn<PlexusValueArray<V>>
 
-export function useInit <Fn extends FunctionType> (deps: typeof usePlexus.arguments[0], action: InnerFunction<Fn>) {
-  const value = usePlexus(deps);
-  const [loading, setLoading] = useState(true);
+export function useInit<Fn extends FunctionType>(
+	deps: typeof usePlexus.arguments[0],
+	action: InnerFunction<Fn>
+) {
+	const value = usePlexus(deps)
+	const [loading, setLoading] = useState(true)
 
-  useEffect(() => {
-    setLoading(true);
-    action().then(() => setLoading(false));
-  }, [action])
+	useEffect(() => {
+		setLoading(true)
+		action().then(() => setLoading(false))
+	}, [action])
 
-  return {
-    loading,
-    value
-  }
-}
\ No newline at end of file
+	return {
+		loading,
+		value,
+	}
+}
diff --git a/packages/plexus-utils/src/shared/itemManipulation.ts b/packages/plexus-utils/src/shared/itemManipulation.ts
index 1447b1b5..70921fed 100644
--- a/packages/plexus-utils/src/shared/itemManipulation.ts
+++ b/packages/plexus-utils/src/shared/itemManipulation.ts
@@ -147,3 +147,15 @@ export function isEqual(a: NonNullable<any>, b: NonNullable<any>): boolean {
 	}
 	return false
 }
+
+/**
+ *
+ */
+// export function asyncNormalizer<
+// 	InputFunction extends () => Promise<unknown> | unknown
+// >(
+// 	inputFunction: InputFunction
+// ): [ReturnType<InputFunction> | undefined, Error | undefined] {
+
+// 	// return [inputFunction()]
+// }