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Support for installing client sites on HPC systems #2595
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Hi @dirkpetersen thanks for bringing this topic up! One workaround as you said is to run a NVFlare client process (client_train.py) directly in your SLURM cluster node. We do have several ways to achieve that in HPC cluster.
As we are seeing more interests, we might write out a whole tutorial/reference implementation on this later. |
Awesome, this is very helpful and I will try that ! |
@YuanTingHsieh, it seems that both options require that client_train.py will run on the HPC login node, I think that is a reasonable assumption at least for many life sciences HPC systems that tend to have beefy login nodes and tolerant HPC admins. There are other disciplines where login nodes are guarded more strictly and it may not be allowed to run an agent. For those it would be better to have client_train.py run on a system adjacent to HPC and then submit the job via ssh and sbatch (for example using paramiko) . Perhaps a lower priority right now as I understand that FL use cases are focusing on life sciences right now ? |
@dirkpetersen thanks for the discussion! Yes, as you said, if you have a mechanism to submit the job via ssh and sbatch from machine A to your HPC system. Note that, you can also start NVFlare client using the "start.sh" in our startup kits, as you can see we add some restarting mechanisms inside that script as well. |
Hi @YuanTingHsieh, I am finally looking at this in more detail and wonder if for option 2 (ipcagent/ipcexachanger) the client needs to listen on a port or would all communication through the nvflare server?. If it has to listen on a port the challenge is that on multi-user HPC environments you cannot guarantee any port being free so one has to write workarounds like the below and then abuse the slurm job queue metadata as message queue by storing the port there. Thanks
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Hi @dirkpetersen thanks for checking back! We got more easy API now. You can write your client side training script following examples in: https://github.com/NVIDIA/NVFlare/tree/main/examples/hello-world/ml-to-fl Then you just use this job template: https://github.com/NVIDIA/NVFlare/tree/main/job_templates/sag_np_cell_pipe You can just change the script from "python3 -u custom/{app_script} {app_config} " to the submit job command of SLURM: something like "sbatch xxx" Don't worry about this free port, the NVFlare client (Client Control Process/Client Parent Process) run on this "main/control machine" (the one that can sbatch submit job) will find that free port and the client job process running the client side training script needs to be able to connect to this port. |
Thanks @YuanTingHsieh this was very helpful and is indeed a lot easier. I decided to use FilePipe instead of CellPipe because CellPipe cannot work with Simulator / POC (I think) because they only listen on localhost and the Slurm node would not know to which host to talk to. Almost all Slurm clusters have a fast shared file system so FilePipe is probably the default usage pattern for HPC people, even if it has perceived bottlenecks. instead of as sag_np template uses FilePipe, I ran this in the cloned NVFlare git repos:
in then I added a few debugging statements to and tried the simulator first:
The simulator started 10-ish Slurm jobs that never finish. Here is the output Test-FilePipe-Slurm-Simulator.txt Then I tried POC. Since the POC default workdir is /tmp/nvflare/poc we need to change it to a workdir in the shared file system so the compute node that is executing train_full.py can also reach the work space . In a separate 2nd terminal on the Slurm login node I run:
in a 3rd terminal on the same login node I ask
back to my first terminal I run :
In the squeue terminal i see that 2 jobs are starting and seem to finish normally. Here is the output of the POC process : Is this working the way you would expect ? |
@dirkpetersen thanks for sharing your detail steps and results! From the log you provided here, both simulator and POC seems to be running fine. Do you mind sharing your final job folder? (slurm_job_fp) |
Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.
Some organizations have all their GPUs allocated in HPC systems and find it difficult to allocate dedicated GPU servers to NVFlare. Currently the use on HPC systems is undocumented.
Describe the solution you'd like
In an ideal world, a client would be installed on a virtual machine which then submits jobs to an HPC system to prevent that the GPU is allocated for long periods of time without being used.
Describe alternatives you've considered
I currently use this workaround and describe some of the issues with running on HPC systems (Slurm in this case)
https://github.com/dirkpetersen/nvflare-cancer#install-a-client-on-hpc
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